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I am new in HTC phones. I will get my htc one after 2 days, i mainly want to know about battery charging cycles. how can we do that to get maximum battery life. what is mean by battery calibration ? is the battery to be calibrated in every weak ? sorry for my bad english
Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
Just use it. Charge it when you need to, charge it when you can, top up charge is fine. Calibration is a myth. You don't need to do anything or not do anything abnormal.
Letting it run out and leaving it empty is a bad idea. Charging it, turning it off, charging it, and whatever other voodoo is recommended is a bad idea.
Lol at two contradicting responses.
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Lol at two contradicting responses.
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Personally my thinks about battery is the same of users after my post.
But i wrote this because a lot of people say to do this...
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Guich said:
Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
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is their any special charging methods to be done after getting my new One ??
One charge for a day is enough for htc one if you don't play games
If you really want the most optimum battery life out of your phone then don't let it drain below 30% nor let it reach more than 90%. You'll likely get the most charge cycles and prolonged battery life with that. This suggestion sounds sarcastic but this is scientifically factual.
Riyal said:
If you really want the most optimum battery life out of your phone then don't let it drain below 30% nor let it reach more than 90%. You'll likely get the most charge cycles and prolonged battery life with that. This suggestion sounds sarcastic but this is scientifically factual.
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How many HTC one batteries did you test? Using what methodology?
The only scientific fact is that you just made up those numbers, you have no idea what charge and discharge limits have already been placed on the raw cells by the battery circuitry.
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Personally my thinks about battery is the same of users after my post.
But i wrote this because a lot of people say to do this...
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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I don't use this method.
But my friend have a very good battery life with it.
So, why don't share?
I don't use it because i can't do this, it's simple
HTC One Battery Conditioning
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is their any special charging methods to be done after getting my new One ??
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G'day mate. When I had my HTC Desire, there was a process of conditioning that was advisable which pushed my battery life from 3/4 of a day to a full day. Having just received my HTC One last Friday (and what a magnificent phone it is too but that is a story for another day), I can honestly say that no conditioning is required (after-all, it does have a 2300mAH battery). I would suggest that you make sure that the first time you charge the phone, you leave it on charge for a minimum of 8hrs (as recommended by HTC). I left it on charge all day and I believe it does make a difference. As for making it last long, may I suggest you invest in an App called Juice Defender Ultimate (not very expensive but extremely useful) ? I am using this app and I have improved the battery life of my One from a single day to approx. 2.5 days. But I am an average user (emails, some internet, some music and blinkfeed). I don't watch movies on my phone so I am not too sure how that will affect battery life but I believe it will have some effect.
I hope this helps you with the answers you seek.
It's based on scientific facts.
When your battery has high load(Almost fully charged) more ions inside the battery are stored there hence doing alot of chemical changes in the battery. And chemical change is the only reason why our batteries here are losing it's capacity.
And the reason why I set 30% as the minimum is because you don't want your battery to be drained too much as there's likely chances that you'll completely drain it causing it to be broken also.
And why limit the examples on HTC One batteries? Is this a serious question or just a joke? We all know that HTC One was just released months ago and another obvious fact is it has a non removable battery. So obviously the answer would be none.
And about real life proofs about my usage and how it affects battery life do you want me to show you a nokia 3310 model still up and running for almost a 8 years now? Also want me to show you my nokia n900 which is already about 4 years now and still kicking it's battery perfectly up to now? I could have also showed you my n95 up and running till now if only it didn't break it's flex cable.
There's no such thing as integrated ticking time bomb on your battery(like rumors in the 20th century where they say electronic ICs have a hard coded date where they will totally shut off) where it would just instantly die once it reach it's recharge limit. What manufacturer in their right mind would do that? Smartphone business isn't a monopoly and every competitor would want the best of them all on their products. Also if this myth would have been true most people's device wouldn't even last a year due to plugging your phone on a computer would initiate a charge also. So would that mean that if I plug my phone on my PC 5x a day and charge it once a day it would only last roughly 6months? lol!
Also here's a good website that would backup my claim.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Partial and random charge is fine; does not need full charge; lower voltage limit preferred; keep battery cool.
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Prevent full cycles, apply some charge after a full discharge to keep the protection circuit alive.
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Keep cool, battery lasts longest when operating in mid state-of-charge of 20–80%. Prevent ultra-fast charging and high loads.
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How many HTC one batteries did you test? Using what methodology?
The only scientific fact is that you just made up those numbers, you have no idea what charge and discharge limits have already been placed on the raw cells by the battery circuitry.
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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Did you read those websites? Because their numbers and yours don't agree. So either you made up the numbers or you obtained your scientific facts from elsewhere.
As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
I thinks the powersave is the best route when not playing any games. If you play games then you can call it quits!
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OzBoy08 said:
G'day mate. When I had my HTC Desire, there was a process of conditioning that was advisable which pushed my battery life from 3/4 of a day to a full day. Having just received my HTC One last Friday (and what a magnificent phone it is too but that is a story for another day), I can honestly say that no conditioning is required (after-all, it does have a 2300mAH battery). I would suggest that you make sure that the first time you charge the phone, you leave it on charge for a minimum of 8hrs (as recommended by HTC). I left it on charge all day and I believe it does make a difference. As for making it last long, may I suggest you invest in an App called Juice Defender Ultimate (not very expensive but extremely useful) ? I am using this app and I have improved the battery life of my One from a single day to approx. 2.5 days. But I am an average user (emails, some internet, some music and blinkfeed). I don't watch movies on my phone so I am not too sure how that will affect battery life but I believe it will have some effect.
I hope this helps you with the answers you seek.
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As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
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thank u so much
milkw33d said:
As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
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Given that the phone comes with charge in it, how much can you do to affect the first charge?
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Given that the phone comes with charge in it, how much can you do to affect the first charge?
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As much as I know, dont drain the battery too much the first time you take it out the box. All batteries comes with a little charge in it. Had a friend who used to work at a mobile company and I cant remember the term he used to describe that. But the first charge doesnt have to be exactly 8hrs. Phone might be fully charged after 4-6hrs if you hadnt used it much from the box. Just dont unplug it before it reaches 100% on the first charge. Let it get to full and leave it for another 10-15mins and its good to go.
Guich said:
Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
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I let a cell phone battery get down to zero once. It never worked again.
I did the same with my house cleaning robot. I had to replace the battery after that.....I'm just saying.
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I let a cell phone battery get down to zero once. It never worked again.
I did the same with my house cleaning robot. I had to replace the battery after that.....I'm just saying.
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Some devices have this problem.
Mine not.
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So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Gottit. Thanks!
No problem,glad I could shed some light on the subject
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So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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As was previously noted, what you're doing is actually the worst possible thing you can do to a lithium ion battery. In general, best practice is to keep your battery somewhere between 10%-95% charge whenever possible. Once a month, you should "cycle" your battery under 10% (but not fully drained) to keep everything in peak condition. If you're ever not going to use the phone for any length of time, best practice is to drain to 40% and store in a cool, dark area.
When you first get a new device, you do want to condition it by doing three to five (varies on the device) full charge/discharge cycles, but after that, once a month with a conditioning cycle will take care of things for you. And again, as was previously noted, it's not a great idea to leave your phone charging overnight because you can't always depend on the battery controller chip.
These newer cells are all rated to relatively high cycle lifetimes, so I wouldn't worry overmuch. At that point, capacity is supposed to start degrading, although naturally it's going to happen a bit earlier for any number of reasons. I'd be much more worried about avoiding heat though than overcharge.
I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
The 40% rule applies to any battery, and they'll all discharge over time anyway (connected or no). If you shut your phone off, everything powers down except (if memory serves) what's necessary to run the internal clock. The impact that has should be pretty minimal (unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
(unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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I don't know that I bought any, but I have a few lying around from yesteryear's gadgetry.
And at that point, why not launch it into space instead, a la HTC Nexus One?
So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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sauprankul said:
Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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That is certainly a good point as well. No need to play on the edge of the cliffs. lol
You see my point tho
About safety margins
I keep noticing my battery will last hours on 1% charge. Has anybody else noticed this phenomenon on their phone?
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I've noticed it on a rather old device, a htc desire hd. (running a custom 4.4.2 rom) It lastest so long on 1%.
Probarly you need to re-calibrate your battery, after that it shouldn't get stuck on 1% anymore for such a long time
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I keep noticing my battery will last hours on 1% charge. Has anybody else noticed this phenomenon on their phone?
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Once a month I recalibrate my battery, and it will sit on 1% for hours some times, and then only minutes the next it just depends. Just let it die then charge it to 100% uninterrupted. Normally they get uncalibrated after rom flashes and if you put it on a charger but don't let it charge to 100%.
I haven't put any ROMs on my phone. I'm still on stock Rogers rom.
How do I re-calibrate my battery?
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I haven't put any ROMs on my phone. I'm still on stock Rogers rom.
How do I re-calibrate my battery?
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Let it die completely then let it charge to 100% before you turn it back on, that's my process.
This keeps happening to me too. Battery drains quickly then stays at 1% for several hours. Lasted at 1% for 4 hours yesterday. I've done the "let drain until powers off and charge to 100" a couple times now but it still happens
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Let it die completely then let it charge to 100% before you turn it back on, that's my process.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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oeusr said:
This keeps happening to me too. Battery drains quickly then stays at 1% for several hours. Lasted at 1% for 4 hours yesterday. I've done the "let drain until powers off and charge to 100" a couple times now but it still happens
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Hmm that's odd never had that issue, I rarely go below 50% during the day.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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It is if you do it every time, but not if you do it once a month or after a rom install.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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When your phone dies, the battery doesn't completely die. Phones shut down before the battery is completely depleted in order to save a little bit of the battery. So if you let the phone shut down from low power and then charge it back up there shouldn't be any ill effects.
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When your phone dies, the battery doesn't completely die. Phones shut down before the battery is completely depleted in order to save a little bit of the battery. So if you let the phone shut down from low power and then charge it back up there shouldn't be any ill effects.
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Yeah, I know that, but I was just saying what I've always heard from people
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Yeah, I know that, but I was just saying what I've always heard from people
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This article is old but it explains why you shouldn't fully discharge a lithium-ion battery often! http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
batteries don't fully discharge even when the phones dies as an above poster pointed out. If you were to let it die then leave it that way for a few weeks is when you will start to have problems. the lower the battery percentage is before charging is correlated with how many cycles your battery has. So draining to 70% then charging is better than draining to 30% then charging. The point in draining to 0 isn't to prolong the battery but to recalibrate the software determining what the percentage of the battery is. This will not have any worse of an impact on your battery then letting it drain to 10% then charging. Batteries may actually still have up 20% left when you fully discharge them because manufacturers don't want your battery to ever actually reach 0.
If you never discharge down to "0%" then charge to 100% then your phone can never properly calibrate your battery drain. It is always a guessing game for the software so doing a full discharge cycle gives it an updated benchmark to guess off of. The effects to the battery are not that big of a deal. If you read up enough on them you will find that to be true.
when the battery gets hot, that has a much bigger effect on its life than draining it to 0. But clearly if you drain to 0 every day then that will have a huge impact on battery life because you may only get 300 cycles out of it where as you might get 3000 if you only drained to 70% every day. (rough estimates, there is real data out there regarding then if you want to know the real numbers).
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batteries don't fully discharge even when the phones dies as an above poster pointed out. If you were to let it die then leave it that way for a few weeks is when you will start to have problems. the lower the battery percentage is before charging is correlated with how many cycles your battery has. So draining to 70% then charging is better than draining to 30% then charging. The point in draining to 0 isn't to prolong the battery but to recalibrate the software determining what the percentage of the battery is. This will not have any worse of an impact on your battery then letting it drain to 10% then charging. Batteries may actually still have up 20% left when you fully discharge them because manufacturers don't want your battery to ever actually reach 0.
If you never discharge down to "0%" then charge to 100% then your phone can never properly calibrate your battery drain. It is always a guessing game for the software so doing a full discharge cycle gives it an updated benchmark to guess off of. The effects to the battery are not that big of a deal. If you read up enough on them you will find that to be true.
when the battery gets hot, that has a much bigger effect on its life than draining it to 0. But clearly if you drain to 0 every day then that will have a huge impact on battery life because you may only get 300 cycles out of it where as you might get 3000 if you only drained to 70% every day. (rough estimates, there is real data out there regarding then if you want to know the real numbers).
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I couldn't have paraphrased that article any better nice!
I've noticed this in my Moto X. 1% lasts for a long time lol. Not that it's a bad thing but a little inaccurate if you ask me.
Ever since I've bought my Moto X, I've always let it die a few times then have charged it to 100% (full cycle) but it's not made any difference. Sounds like it's a bug in the software to me.
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I've noticed this in my Moto X. 1% lasts for a long time lol. Not that it's a bad thing but a little inaccurate if you ask me.
Ever since I've bought my Moto X, I've always let it die a few times then have charged it to 100% (full cycle) but it's not made any difference. Sounds like it's a bug in the software to me.
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did you charge it to 100% without turning it on? there may be battery stats (in a folder i can't remember but you can look it up) that you can delete to cause it to relearn battery level but i have read elsewhere that that theory is a myth and won't actually do anything.
IDK the logistics behind leaving your phone off, i just know i have done it both ways and it seems something else calibrates the battery when it is off that is not the android OS i guess but is the root level software for the phone or the bootloader or something. Im sure someone smarter than i could give a better explanation of the possible difference.
I've experienced the same thing on my Moto X.
Something tells me that it's somehow related to poor battery life... But that's just expeculation.
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did you charge it to 100% without turning it on? there may be battery stats (in a folder i can't remember but you can look it up) that you can delete to cause it to relearn battery level but i have read elsewhere that that theory is a myth and won't actually do anything.
IDK the logistics behind leaving your phone off, i just know i have done it both ways and it seems something else calibrates the battery when it is off that is not the android OS i guess but is the root level software for the phone or the bootloader or something. Im sure someone smarter than i could give a better explanation of the possible difference.
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I always leave the phone off when charging fully. Have tried with it on too but same results.
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I always leave the phone off when charging fully. Have tried with it on too but same results.
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search around for the place where the battery stats are located. I think the file just may be in the cache but I know i read somewhere at some point about the location where the software stores its battery stats so that it can guess what your battery percentage is. Search for that and clear that folder out and see if it helps. I would do this right before my phone was about to die at 1% then do the cycle if i were you. But that is just how i would go about things.
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search around for the place where the battery stats are located. I think the file just may be in the cache but I know i read somewhere at some point about the location where the software stores its battery stats so that it can guess what your battery percentage is. Search for that and clear that folder out and see if it helps. I would do this right before my phone was about to die at 1% then do the cycle if i were you. But that is just how i would go about things.
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I've heard people say that the stats reset themselves at 100%. But that's just what I've heard. Haha
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jakereeves31 said:
I've heard people say that the stats reset themselves at 100%. But that's just what I've heard. Haha
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ya like i said earlier, i also did read that deleting that folder was pointless but who knows. If my phone was continuing to do what yours is then i would be trying all sorts of things that people said wouldn't work. Then i would throw the phone into beer, bc i can, bc this thing is pretty much waterproof as anything. SOmebody submerged the thing in water for 30 minutes and it was still running. So maybe throw your phone in beer as a last resort.
Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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I can't say that quick charge is harmful however what is usually not a great thing to do is to stick the phone on the charger all the time when there's plenty of power left. Like charging it from 80% to 100% is just wearing on the battery life faster and causing it to use an extra cycle.. Think of it like this say the phones battery can ONLY be charged a total of 100 times and that's IT no more it's dead after the 100 charge.. if you stick it on the charger at 95% and charge to 100% well now you just lost a cycle and you only have 99 charges left.. Wouldn't it have been better to use the entire battery power until it shuts off and then charge it?! Doing it this way actually extends the batteries life and keeps it working a lot better than constantly doing small charges.
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Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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Ive always been taught that the faster u charge a battery the less charge it holds. And decreases the life span faster. That slower is always better on lifespan.
The added heat from quik charge also puts strain on device if being used at same time.
Just my opinion
Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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this is also true
i just personally dont think its good on them to quickly dump voltage to them either
Not sure it will harmful to the battery life span, but sometimes I charge my phone to 100% and continue, so this will also harmful to battery?
You can just not use your phone battery at all. Once lithuim ion batterys reach 100 thats it, they then drain from your electricty So by turning on your power case when uts at 100%, the phone drains from the case. Of course if your using like an 1amp charger, theb battery will drain if using while plugged in., because the screen is eating more energy than the 1 amp can provide
Batteries are cheap....replacing them isn't that difficult. I got 20 months from my original battery(always fast charged).
If I get the same from the replacement then it's all good.
Use the phone....that's why you bought it.
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Yes, forcing a lithium battery above it's operating voltage, something like 4.7v with a 5v to over come is ok. But 9v!?!? That's degraded it's performance. In the great scheme of things does it really matter? Probably not, chances are you will get a new phone in a year or so anyways and thats about when the battery fails.
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I don't want to change the battery, and for now, more and more phone come with battery non-removable, it's not a good choose to change battery.
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I don't want to change the battery, and for now, more and more phone come with battery non-removable, it's not a good choose to change battery.
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Yes but how often? Every two years maybe?
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Yes but how often? Every two years maybe?
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I have never changed my battery since I owned my samsung s5 two years ago.
So how often will you change you battery? it is because the battery unavailable?
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Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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It's difficult? Could i ask you which battery to buy and where you bought it?
Its only hard if u want to keep your glass back. I tore up and shattered mine and dont care because my phone is always in a case, so youll never see the back. Got the oem battery from ebay for around 10 dollars. Then its just a matter of taking out all the screws, connecting the really small connector, and screwing back tightly. Like you need put pressure on screen when putting back together because for example volume down button might not work if press 2 lightly
It's easy, use a heat gun and the simple tools. Took me 20 mins and I didn't break anything. Just bought the battery off eBay
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I have been want to replace my Note 8 for a while, but decided not to because it would work well every other charge cycle. On days when it's working well, it's decharging at around .8% per hour on idle. But every other time I fully charge it, it'll do this weird thing where it drains at 3%+ per hour on idle. I don't know what to do or what the problem is. There isn't a difference in app usage. Does the fact that I completely discharged the battery on the first day have an affect on how it is now?
I use mine heavily at work, music, messaging, browsing, calls and I get around 12-14hrs out of a charge.
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I use mine heavily at work, music, messaging, browsing, calls and I get around 12-14hrs out of a charge.
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That's not my problem. My problem is that it will work really well, but after I charge it, it'll go to complete crap. I'm not sure what triggers this.
Have you tried factory resetting the phone?
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Have you tried factory resetting the phone?
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Yes, I've done this like three times. It will work well sometimes until I charge it. Then it will randomly have completely terrible idle time. I think the battery drain outside of idle is actually not bad either, but something makes it drain a lot for some reason. I've noticed it usually happens after I charge my phone.
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Yes, I've done this like three times. It will work well sometimes until I charge it. Then it will randomly have completely terrible idle time. I think the battery drain outside of idle is actually not bad either, but something makes it drain a lot for some reason. I've noticed it usually happens after I charge my phone.
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There isn't a tip someone can give you to fix your obviously defective phone other than to start the warranty process.
This phone costs too much money for me to **** with. If it so much as hiccups, it's going back.
douger1957 said:
There isn't a tip someone can give you to fix your obviously defective phone other than to start the warranty process.
This phone costs too much money for me to **** with. If it so much as hiccups, it's going back.
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I was just wondering if there was something I was missing that was causing this. It was draining really fast on idle last night, but the fast discharge stopped around the time 60-70%. I charged it this morning and it hasn't even dropped 1% in the last 1 and a half.
OP try not using the fast charge options and see what happens.
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OP try not using the fast charge options and see what happens.
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I did try both, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I can't seem to figure out what's making it drain so fast. Right now, it's back to normal. But even when it's draining fast on idle, it's battery life will still be good in actual use.
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I did try both, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I can't seem to figure out what's making it drain so fast. Right now, it's back to normal. But even when it's draining fast on idle, it's battery life will still be good in actual use.
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Try slow charging all the time and also remove SD card if you have one. Also, when slow charging , when it hits 100% power off device, then pull charger out and then back in with device still off, it might read 98% then let it charge to 100% again.
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Limeybastard said:
Try slow charging all the time and also remove SD card if you have one. Also, when slow charging , when it hits 100% power off device, then pull charger out and then back in with device still off, it might read 98% then let it charge to 100% again.
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I'll try that. I usually let it charge to 100% and then wait another 30 minutes.
But why remove the SD card?
I am also facing this problem of the battery draining too fast, especially when compared to my previous phone, the S8 Plus (and similar usage on both phones).
Battery usage data does not show any rogue app gobbling up the battery. So not sure what is going on here. Perhaps I have got a faulty device...
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I'll try that. I usually let it charge to 100% and then wait another 30 minutes.
But why remove the SD card?
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Just an idea. Using method of elimination [emoji4]
When it reaches 100% remove charging cable and power off device then re insert power cord with device off.
I personally never use fast charging.
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Just an idea. Using method of elimination [emoji4]
When it reaches 100% remove charging cable and power off device then re insert power cord with device off.
I personally never use fast charging.
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I try not to use fast charging as much, but it seems the problems is still here and really random.
Going to Samsung area of Best Buy tomorrow. If they can't fix it, then I'm going to Costco for an exchange.
Got a new phone. It's draining fast too. Is there a way to identify what app is making it drain so fast?
I want to specify that the battery life when actually using it is great. I was watching netflix for over 2 hours and it drained like 15%.