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Since MWC is around the corner and Companies are already making announcements I ranted a bit about MultiCore phones. So like the Title says..
What do You think... Do Phones really need to have 2-4-6-8 cores?
My 2cents
To me the need for even two cores still seems over powered. My big complaint is that manufactures just want to ONE up the competition and add more and more even though it wouldn't be fully utilized by anyone in the foreseeable future.
For example. All these companies are slapping MultiCore phones and adding more ram and they aren't even really optimizing their software for the additional cores. It was android and it finally added MultiCore support with ICS, but companies were and still are releasing phones with 2cores running Froyo, Gingerbread that won't see ICS ever if not for devoted developers to Port it.
To me you can have the most fancy OS with all the Eye Candy you can think off and have it run off a Single(One) Core Processor just fine with no lag and 768MB of RAM and still have enough left for background apps if you focus on making your software efficient and optimized for that ONE core.
Look at WP7 sure its UI was over simplified, but it runs just fine with ONE core and 512MB of ram. And I've seen some very impressive Games run just fine on those phones. Unrelated to phones but look at how Windows (Desktop) handles RAM. Right now with just Chrome open with two tabs its using up 2GB of ram and this is a clean install. I just formatted my HDD and installed Chrome and updated to SP1 so there is no program prefetched. Ubuntu on this computer with just Chrome open only uses up 256-300MB of RAM because it was optimized for low ram machines. OSX86 SL on this computer only uses about about 300-500MB of ram.
So in the end all these multicore phones are doing is using up battery life to feed all these cores when the software hasn't been optimized for it. Now some processors shut off the additional cores when they aren't needed but even then only Games/apps that are aware of those cores will ever really use them.
Companies as they add more RAM and more cores add along with it bugged down crappy software and that just kills the purpose of all that power.
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I just needed to spit this somewhere
There needs to be another high end mobile OS entering the market along with developers building more CPU demanding apps. That's the problem with android, its not universal like ios. And I don't want a apple vs android argument
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I think they needs to focus on the CPU speed rather then cores. I'd rather have a dual core phone running at 3.5ghz then a quad core running at 1.2
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What I think a company should do is focus on
Software > Battery > CPU/RAM
Because if you make you software RIGHT and perfect it then right from the get go you will notice huge performance with a single dual core processor.
Just imagine HTC sense with the speed of stock ICS on the Gnex or any other phone with Dual Core 1GB ram!
If companies like HTC focused on improving their UI with performance in mind, CPU makers at the same time will evolve and develop better smaller processors and will be cheaper then making a monster out of a phone only to cage it with half as UI's that suck.... Cuz we all know that a Single Core 1Ghz processor from today beats the crap out of a similar spec one from early 2000's
I dislike Apple but i gotta give them credit for focusing on iOS more then the actual iPhone.. If Android makers did the same and improved their crapware we wouldn't call it that.
I heard the multiple cores end up saving battery, especially in regards to the Tegra 3 because it has the companion core to take care of easy tasks like email syncing while the screen is off or whatever. The extra cores kick in when they're needed too, they're not constantly running when there's nothing going on. Most of the time, the extra ones are offline (see screenshots below).
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Do we really need hexacore computers? Even though most software doesn't really benefit from them? The majority of computer games rarely put more than 2 cores to any worthy use, the OS runs quite the same with 2 or 4 cores in general and for the most part only intensive applications even benefit from it at all (photo, video, CAD, 3D and so on). We still get them though, and often enough they don't use excessively more power than the previous generation with smaller, more efficient technology. Also, try running your ubuntu setup with an 800x480 res and a comparatively weak single 1ghz, 512mb shared ram setup. It'll struggle for air.
It is good to move into this realm with phones. Play around with a Galaxy S, then with a Galaxy S 2 - both in their pure touchwiz form. The S 2 simply blows away the original. Virtually no performance hitches throughout any usage you can imagine, and this is just an upgrade from single to dual core. New designs don't use any more power than predecessors, and often save power as described above. 4 active cores when needed (completely shut off when inactive), and a seperate low-power single core when there is something basic? Genius.
I'm all for phones with as many cores as they fit, as long as the designs of tomorrow are like the designs of today. I don't see any reason why they won't be, so what's the harm?
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.
Dual cores and 1.5ghz seems like all we need...
I am running 1ghz on my epic4g with a nice rom and i never really have complaints about the single core and the 1ghz it always works.
Dual core would satisfy my needs
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No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.
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The Nexus S routinely beats SOME dual core phones with the right kernel and ROM. I should know, I have one. That phone with Trinity kernel is a beast.
Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!
The more the merrier!
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For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!
qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No, it gets a higher score in a benchmark that literally measures the frequency. I have a Nexus S and no matter how much i OC it doesn't compare to something like an SGS2.
Zorigo said:
For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!
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I agree with this entirely. Android, in its current state, is a Phone OS. In time I hope to see it gain many Desktop OS attributes, and right now we can already see Desktop OSes run on the phones. There is no reason to turn Android into one, but more processor power means we can turn our phones into a mini-computer worth using at a whim.
Unlike what seems to have happened with the iPhone 4S, the android dual cores don't guzzle through the battery like no tomorrow. Battery technology in it's current state is also limited. You want more mAh? Buy a bigger battery. Anything else is more often than not just a scam.
I think not nessesary in more cores.Simply stupid marketing to get your money.
Give me more ram, give me more cores, give me a decent screen, USB host and native Ubuntu... That way
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Give me more batary life.
animal-on said:
Give me more batary life.
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Indeed, instead of making the specifications better, they should focus on improving the battery live. Really, 1 day is horse**** compared to the Nokia phones in the early 2000's..
My two cents:
I recently upgraded from a MyTouch 3G Slide to a MyTouch 4G Slide... going from a 600MHz MSM7227 Qualcomm proc to a 1.2GHz MSM8260 Dual-core SnapDragon.
Now aside from the obvious bump in speed, what impressed me the most was improved battery efficiency - partly from the proc, partly from Android improvements. From what I have seen of the new Tegra 3 SoC, it basically has four system cores and one battery saver core, that runs with minimal draw when the phone is idling.
As with PC procs, I think we'll see near future software and operating systems that are able to make greater use of multi-core setups, while saving battery life.
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Here's a better question:
Why are hardware manufacturers so stingy with RAM and ROM!?
I can't believe that HTC or Samsung or Nokia would pay all that much more for 512MB of RAM as they would 2GB of RAM, right?
It just annoys me that we still have current onboard memory restrictions with so many devices in 2012
It's simple.If manufecturers will equip devices so fast of big memory,2 Gb for example,not so many people will buy new phone or tab.They will be waiting,because it's devices will works very fine with any apps.
I don't think people need all these extra cores, the only reason people think they do, is because stupid interfaces slowing the sh!+ out of their phones, if companies start concentrating on simpler UI, the need for all this RAM and CPU power will be gone, it's all part of the marketing plan, make things slower, tell people they need more cores, sell expensive phones and profit like a boss
So I need some Sony that will last for 2 years. I mean for the next 2 years My "Sony Phones" will still lag free when scrolling through the interface. Espedially when I browse heavy web pages. I want some sony phones that can open heavy web pages with a decent performance (It's okay if they choke on a bit).
1. So is the SONY XPERIA SP can handle my 2 years challenge?
2. Is 1 GB of RAM is enough for the next 2 years? or I need to buy other phones with 2 GB of RAM?
3. Lastly, Does dual-core still adequate for the next 2 years?
OR Is there any phone beside The XPERIA SP that can handle my challenge. ( I don't like Samsung or LG anymore). thanks a lot guys.
Andro_iOS said:
So I need some Sony that will last for 2 years. I mean for the next 2 years My "Sony Phones" will still lag free when scrolling through the interface. Espedially when I browse heavy web pages. I want some sony phones that can open heavy web pages with a decent performance (It's okay if they choke on a bit).
1. So is the SONY XPERIA SP can handle my 2 years challenge?
2. Is 1 GB of RAM is enough for the next 2 years? or I need to buy other phones with 2 GB of RAM?
3. Lastly, Does dual-core still adequate for the next 2 years?
OR Is there any phone beside The XPERIA SP that can handle my challenge. ( I don't like Samsung or LG anymore). thanks a lot guys.
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Xperia SP is OF for one to two years.....
Well we still dun know how's technology will improve, but I'm sure a this year mid-range and last year flagship should be OK for two years...
If u want more power u get go for Xperia ZR too....
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Xperia SP is OF for one to two years.....
Well we still dun know how's technology will improve, but I'm sure a this year mid-range and last year flagship should be OK for two years...
If u want more power u get go for Xperia ZR too....
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thanks. Looking forward for more answer :laugh::good:
Andro_iOS said:
So I need some Sony that will last for 2 years. I mean for the next 2 years My "Sony Phones" will still lag free when scrolling through the interface. Espedially when I browse heavy web pages. I want some sony phones that can open heavy web pages with a decent performance (It's okay if they choke on a bit).
1. So is the SONY XPERIA SP can handle my 2 years challenge?
2. Is 1 GB of RAM is enough for the next 2 years? or I need to buy other phones with 2 GB of RAM?
3. Lastly, Does dual-core still adequate for the next 2 years?
OR Is there any phone beside The XPERIA SP that can handle my challenge. ( I don't like Samsung or LG anymore). thanks a lot guys.
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It depends on the usage. 1 GB RAM should be enough if you dont push your phone too hard. Performance wise you wont notice any difference between Quad core proc and a dual core one. Its a midrange phone so you should keep your expectations lower.Technology is evolving so fast these days. Last year flagship mobiles are comparable to this years mid range mobile. But you are not a hardcore user then you should be ok
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I heard report that Google would optimised android for the next release to be working fine with 500mb of ram. So if it's true that Google are headed to that road that it's would be more than fine for the XSP.
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I think it will be fine. This is a well specified device. It's mostly mid range because of a lack of internal storage and 720p screen. After that it performs as well as last years flagship devices.
I have come from the xperia ray a 2011 device it ran 4.1.2 perfectly -(despite Sony not supporting JB)
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It will be "enough", but no phone is designed to last 2 years, Did you ever heard about PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE?
I was very happy with my Xperia pro, I bought It for my birthday: July 17 (2012), It only could keep for about 8 months after apps started to be heavier on RAM.
I only will keep the SP for 6-8 months. Hell, I'm saving right now for 300 US Dollars, sell the SP and buy the Z!
Actually I'd used my Galaxy S2 for 2 years - a Samsung's flagship which has dual core 1.2GHz and RAM 1GB. After that time, I noticed the disadvantages of the 480p screen and also the degradation of battery (I could change for a new one, but I had done it 2 times before!). I sold it and I believe someone will use it for a further long time, if his/her demand is popular and simple.
I say this because, smartphone's really able to live for years, as long as it meets your using-demand! When your demand begins to be higher and more complex, a new phone is a choice for you. Hence, you shouldn't insist on looking for a phone, which's like what you mentioned. 2, or even 3 years, this isn't the matter if you still be satisfied with your phone.
There's exists a problem that Sony often drops old mid-ranged products after 1 year. It means you won't receive any new version of Android after a year if you have this kind of phone. So, it's your choice again, but not to be so serious! Buy a smartphone and feel the beat!
I think it is enough to last for 2 years.
Because MSM8960T and Adreno 320 inside is very good!
dont worry!
Andro_iOS said:
So I need some Sony that will last for 2 years. I mean for the next 2 years My "Sony Phones" will still lag free when scrolling through the interface. Espedially when I browse heavy web pages. I want some sony phones that can open heavy web pages with a decent performance (It's okay if they choke on a bit).
1. So is the SONY XPERIA SP can handle my 2 years challenge?
2. Is 1 GB of RAM is enough for the next 2 years? or I need to buy other phones with 2 GB of RAM?
3. Lastly, Does dual-core still adequate for the next 2 years?
OR Is there any phone beside The XPERIA SP that can handle my challenge. ( I don't like Samsung or LG anymore). thanks a lot guys.
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I use a win xp work PC every day which has 1GB RAM (with no page file) and a 1.6Ghz single core proc, so maybe I'm not the right person to reply
But seriously, nothing wrong with 1GB RAM. But I have issues with how the SP handles the RAM. It behaves more like it has 512MB sometimes, kicking out background apps just because of heavy web page loading. This is my reservation, and why I sometimes wish it had more memory. It's probably more to do with Android than Sony, and hopefully the long awaited update to 4.2.2 or 4.3 will see Android managing memory better. Or it could be rooted and the memory management settings changed manually.
Qdezi said:
There's exists a problem that Sony often drops old mid-ranged products after 1 year. It means you won't receive any new version of Android after a year if you have this kind of phone.
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Correction. All manufacturers except maybe Sammy, practice this. And Xperia P and Go got from GB to ICS and JB and are mid and low range respectively.
Argument invalidated.
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lee480 said:
Correction. All manufacturers except maybe Sammy, practice this. And Xperia P and Go got from GB to ICS and JB and are mid and low range respectively.
Argument invalidated.
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I had an Xperia Play that was not updated officially, ever! It was stuck on GB theoretically.
But that was a special case, the Play was pretty badly speced (single core in the world of dual cores) and Sony updated all phones EXCEPT for the Play (like the Neo V and Arc etc) to ICS then.
^^just an example of the worst case scenario which can never happen.
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I think that 1GB of RAM is enough to last at least for a year or two. Google will probably release the Key Lime Pie in October and I read that it should work smoothly on 512MB of RAM.
SP should be able to handle it without any problems and we may get an official update from Sony (their update policy sucks, ikr). Just think positive, guys
Sony is not so bad, they were theXDA manufacturer of 2012 because of their developer support.
The xperia play did suffer because of a lack of ram, but ICS was never the best android build.
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1GB of RAM can be enough if you will delete unnecessary bloatware,you can also disable only unnecessary apps services (without disabling whole app if it's useful to you using disableServices app, it's free and very useful app but you will need root access for it.
Otherwise 1GB of RAM won't be enough to you if you want to keep running very much of apps in your memory, or to keep running few HD games in your memory (which you will usually forget that they're running in your memory)
For example I have Samsung Galaxy S3 which has also 1GB of RAM and I use it without any worries that I won't have enough of RAM, and it's didn't cause any problems for me yet, and it's never lags for me,even when I tried to keep running Need For Speed Most Wanted game,camera, opera browser and music player, it's worked like a charm and I didn't have any redraws I found what I left on my RAM memory.
Hi guys Im thinking of buying this phone (I have an old ARC), the major problem I see is the lack of ram, so I whould like to know how much free ram and how it handles it!
Thanks!!
The phone has 1 GB RAM out of which about 240 - 250 MB is reserved for the use of Android system. So you get around 760 MB RAM for apps & other uses. Depending upon the number of apps one installs, limiting the number of background processes & use of task killers, one can get anything from 200 to 350 MB of free memory. This is when using the phone without rooting & using the stock OS Sony has put in the phone.
Till now my phone has handled whatever I have thrown at it except Real Racing 3. All other games run flawlessly till you get bored playing them , HD movies are no problem either. In benchmarks also, it performs very well.
With real racing the maximum I have played on my SP is about 4-5 races, after which the game crashes & I have to restart the game after some time to play. If I restart the game immediately it crashes again within 1-2 races. Others also have reported the same behaviour. But there are 1 or 2 guys who say that the game runs fine on their SPs. I repeat, other games, even heavy ones, run absolutely fine.
So unless playing Real Racing 3 is what you do most you can go for this phone. However, if are still worried & can increase your budget a bit, then go for Xperia ZR which has the same sized screen & resolution but with a quad core processor & 2 GB RAM. That phone is also dust & waterproof.
the_helix said:
The phone has 1 GB RAM out of which about 240 - 250 MB is reserved for the use of Android system. So you get around 760 MB RAM for apps & other uses. Depending upon the number of apps one installs, limiting the number of background processes & use of task killers, one can get anything from 200 to 350 MB of free memory. This is when using the phone without rooting & using the stock OS Sony has put in the phone.
Till now my phone has handled whatever I have thrown at it except Real Racing 3. All other games run flawlessly till you get bored playing them , HD movies are no problem either. In benchmarks also, it performs very well.
With real racing the maximum I have played on my SP is about 4-5 races, after which the game crashes & I have to restart the game after some time to play. If I restart the game immediately it crashes again within 1-2 races. Others also have reported the same behaviour. But there are 1 or 2 guys who say that the game runs fine on their SPs. I repeat, other games, even heavy ones, run absolutely fine.
So unless playing Real Racing 3 is what you do most you can go for this phone. However, if are still worried & can increase your budget a bit, then go for Xperia ZR which has the same sized screen & resolution but with a quad core processor & 2 GB RAM. That phone is also dust & waterproof.
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Thanks for the info, very handful! I have an tab 2 7.0 which 1gb of ram too, it unloads lots of stuff of the memory, but the SP is way more powerful... the experience should be different, I think.
About the ZR, its not available here in brazil, i have a plan which an cell operator here in Brazil and I can buy the SP for 520 Moneys or the ZQ(which is an Xperia ZL made to work in brazilian 4g frequencies) for 1130 moneys (BRL)
thanks a lot!
So I can choose, an SQ or an ZL for doable the price...
Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
cabba403 said:
Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
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Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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Klaudas said:
4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
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The problem is on your end. I was with stock ROM for over a month before switching to Custom ROM and I had no issues what so ever. Please don't spread false information.
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Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
Klaudas said:
Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
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Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
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Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
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Can you make few SS for me after 24h[ofcourse no reboots]?. If you have more than 10-15 apps installed like me you won't get that amount of ram left after 24h~. No way.
as if certain user experiences would be a lie.
So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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With stock rom you won't be able to play high end games without reboots for free ram. If you have time for flashing custom roms everything fine! But if you want to stay with stock I suggest you to buy LG L90 for example.
I wouldnt buy this phone in your place (I wish I hadn't bought it for myself too)
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So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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In it's price range it's the best phone specs wise.
Moto G is a worth buy as well, but it has Adreno 305 which is about twice as slow as our Adreno 320. If you like gaming Xperia SP is the best buy, however it reached it's EOL so you must rely on custom ROMs for further software updates. While Moto G will receive Android L for sure, and I'm pretty sure Motorola will keep maintaining it at less till the end of 2015 since the new Moto G 2014 is pretty similar to the Moto G 2013. But still Moto G's LTE model with SD Card cost more, so you must put this in consideration as well. Going with either phone, you will be pretty pleased. But if I had to buy a new phone now and I had ~150€ to spend I will definitely go with Xperia SP.
P.S.: I have both phones.
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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Rear camera is quite decent. Here are few threads with shots from it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-sp/themes-apps/post-photo-xperia-sp-t2823275
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304148
check it
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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this is phone is supposedly great but, as other user mention, the RAM is lacking so it makes it lagging. Sure some games run fine. but try playing real racing 3 with no modifications. it'll burn your battery (doesn't literally burn it, i just mean really hot) and it often lags.
camera wise, it depends on preference. for me this camera sometimes get awesome results outdoor, but it has same problem with many xperia phone. lots of noise if u zoom.
if u have time, read my 1 year review http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2778795
The SP's gaming performance is pretty decent - and great for the price. If you're looking to get some idea of what 2D and 3D GPU performance is when choosing a new phone, searching for Antutu benchmarks isn't a bad place to start.
As for the camera, passable outdoors (but noisy), worthless indoors. Mine has even started taking out of focus pictures, even after half pressing camera button to focus first. Might be something to do with the len's protective film being removed (due to scratches)
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
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carlfinity said:
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
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Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
TechnoSparks said:
Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
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Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
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carlfinity said:
Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
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Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
TechnoSparks said:
Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
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That makes it seem ironic, does 4 cores draw more power compared with our dual core? I believe so, since newer Sony models have more or less 2.0 ghz clock speed. I still can't believe those devices felt less hotter given the power that they carry. Anyways, this is just my observation that I hope will benefit the soon to be owners of this device.
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1. No issues on my s1
2. Can't help with that, don't play games
3. Perfectly normal on an Android device, Android doesn't waste ram, it uses it to make your device faster.
4. You probably need to load the firmware for your region.
5. Same as the s1
Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1. Unfortunately, that is going to be a common thing with Android. Google built scalable interface based off the resolution, which makes apps run on tablets. As opposed to the iPad, there isn't a scalable interface feature but instead it uses upscaling, which makes apps very large and blurry.
In addition to that, Apple forces the default settings of the app store search to only show iPad only apps. This means, if you didn't update your app to support tablet interfaces manually, you wouldn't show up on the default search. This pretty much *forced* all of the developers to update their apps, if they wanted it to be seen of course.
But, since Android scales all of this natively the developers are lazy and simply do not update their apps for tablet interfaces as much as iOS.
2. The Tab S2 is a very powerful tablet, but if you're comparing it to the Ipad Air 2 there's going to be no comparison on how the iPad is much stronger. The processer on the iPad is more powerful than some computers people have at home. However, Android really is not a gaming platform, it is more of a productivity platform. There are way more games on iOS than Android, so if you're into gaming (on mobile) stick with iOS. Both platforms have hardware that is compeltely overkill than what most of the gaming apps actually require.
3. That honestly is no different than the iPAD, the amount of memory free should not be a concern unless apps are closing more often than you would like. Keep in mind that iOS struggles with memory as well, you can browse the internet and minimize the app and come back and it will reload the entire page, losing the spot you were scrolled to. On Android, it actually remembers the last spot you were at, simply because it has better memory management.
Keep in mind tablets are solid state, with incredibly fast read and write speeds. Ram can actually become irrelvant, because it can simply page the memory to the solid state drive and it would be effectively the same speed as real ram; you could actually get away with running with 1GB of ram easily. It's just that there is a limited amount of read and writes to a solid state drive, so they still use dedicated RAM to extend the lifespan since it is cheaper than solid state drives in general.
4. You can use a VPN to bypass that restriction.
5. Both the Ipad and S2 will got hot if you try to game on it, these devices don't even have fans in them so I don't know what you are expecting.
With that being said, I much prefer Android over IOS. When I use my iPAD, I've pretty much given up searching for an app because it simply did not exist with such restricted permissions on the iOS platform. With Android, I can customize my tablet to my liking, and I really like the keyboard support on it; it is much better than Apple in that regard.
I own both tablets and I use the Android far more, both have their cons and advantages. But for me, I don't like mobile games, I find them too simple. Thats why I love Android because I can emulate all consoles up to PSP/DS ERA.
Brittany_Menton said:
Keep in mind tablets are solid state, with incredibly fast read and write speeds. Ram can actually become irrelvant, because it can simply page the memory to the solid state drive and it would be effectively the same speed as real ram; you could actually get away with running with 1GB of ram easily. It's just that there is a limited amount of read and writes to a solid state drive, so they still use dedicated RAM to extend the lifespan since it is cheaper than solid state drives in general.
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The read/write speeds of ss flash memory is nowhere near as fast as ram.
The Tab s and s2 both have very fast ram.
If manufacturers relied on flash memory for caching and system read/writes with today's fast cpu's the system would bottle neck and crawl.
Fast cpu's need much faster memory to keep up and run smoothly.
Run some benchmarks and you will see the difference.
ashyx said:
The read/write speeds of ss flash memory is nowhere near as fast as ram.
The Tab s and s2 both have very fast ram.
If manufacturers relied on flash memory for caching and system read/writes with today's fast cpu's the system would bottle neck and crawl.
Fast cpu's need much faster memory to keep up and run smoothly.
Run some benchmarks and you will see the difference.
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Yes, there is no question that RAM is much faster, but if you're comparing it to normal usage most people wouldn't see the difference. The Surface Pro 3 64GB edition runs off 2GB of RAM and constantly runs at 90% peak memory and ironically performs just as fast as the 4GB version simply because the solid state has such a high read and write speed.
To a certain extent, all tablets page to the harddrive. As far as I know, there aren't many flagship android models that feature like huge amounts of super speed ram.
When you're comparing it to "much faster", say if you are travelling 500mph and you could go 1200mph, but you already get to your destination in less than a second so for the average user, they probably wouldn't even notice the difference.
I suggest you do more research on it.
ashyx said:
I suggest you do more research on it.
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The average user is not going to notice their device is faster if the device is perfectly capable of loading basic tasks such as websites at reasonable speeds.
Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1) Yup that is android sadly there. Though more are coming out with tablet versions of the software... FINALLY!
2) I haven't noticed that myself on the device as I do play that game as well
3) As long as it free's it up, there is no issues with having ram used. It will dump memory as needed if apps require more. Typically most apps don't require that much ram so no issues.
4) Thats just a country/region issue with the device ID. If rooted you can fix it at least. I travel and when outside the US the store is still US to me.
5) Most devices are like this. Gaming will make it hotter as well, but that goes for Android to Apple as well. Now, this device is cooler than previous ones I've had under heavy gaming and light usage gets a little warm.
As for the new OS, we can assume so, but since its a little ways off it might take time still for it to "Officially" come to the tablets.
I just bought mine yesterday and one feature under the settings was missing... there's no user under the device the options only are:
-sounds and notif
-display
-motion and gestures
-applications
there is no user. also in the notification panel there is no manage user.. can somebody help me plsss.. thanks in advance!
Tab S2 problem
Hey guys, hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. Looks like i got screwed with my Tab S2. I bought a 9.7" cellular version from someone on Kijiji (Equivalent to Craigslist in Canada) and it was working just fine. I installed some apps and was just playing around with it. About two days later it started freezing and restarting when i would play a game or watch a video. Since then it has gotten progressively worse. I boot it up and 30 seconds to a minute later it turns off on its own. I thought it may be a software issue so i did a hard reset but the problem still persists. I took it into a Samsung repair center and they said that it is a pre-production model (IMEI is 00000000000000) and they cannot help. Any ideas what i can do to repair it. I just hate the idea of having a $400 paper weight.
egogz said:
Hey guys, hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. Looks like i got screwed with my Tab S2. I bought a 9.7" cellular version from someone on Kijiji (Equivalent to Craigslist in Canada) and it was working just fine. I installed some apps and was just playing around with it. About two days later it started freezing and restarting when i would play a game or watch a video. Since then it has gotten progressively worse. I boot it up and 30 seconds to a minute later it turns off on its own. I thought it may be a software issue so i did a hard reset but the problem still persists. I took it into a Samsung repair center and they said that it is a pre-production model (IMEI is 00000000000000) and they cannot help. Any ideas what i can do to repair it. I just hate the idea of having a $400 paper weight.[/QUOTE
Hi did you buy it brand new (in a sealed box)? Maybe i got a solution for you
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Anyone experienced these probs?
Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 9.7 Problems/Issues
Model#: SM-T815Y
Android Version: 5.0.2 (latest)
1. random hanging 3x-10x/day depends on usage.
problem: hanging that leads to black display screen
solution: soft reset -> press the power button+volume down for atleast 10secs
or until boot up screen shows up.
1a. random hanging usually happens
-when downloading or opening something in the Playstore.
-exploring the settings of the gadget.
NOTE: I noticed that it happens frequently when clicking/using apps
that is related to its Internal Memory.(eg. problem#2)
2. Calculating the Size of the Applications
problem 1: it keeps saying computing even after 30mins of leaving the screen.
solution: unmount sd card>remove sd card>insert sd card.
problem 2: can't clear cache of an application.
solution: need to restart the gadget for it to take effect.
3. Auto Restart then it didn't boot up properly. It only stayed in Samsung Screen.
CONCLUSION: it's not normal to have these kind of problems 3gb of RAM,32gb of internal memory, up to date updates.
: very few widgets are activated, very few downloaded apps installed.
: strongly convinced that the cause of problem is its hardware specifically its internal memory.