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So I was over in the Atrix forums the other night because there was someone over there who was wanting some help deciding if they should ditch their Atrix for the Thrill 4G. The overwhelming amount of posts about some of the hitches with the Thrill were in regards to the battery consumption and the RAM getting hammered with general usage.
Over here since a bunch of us are actively doing doing what we can to try and speed the development along having being trying new things and tweaking this or that in an attempt to make some progress toward real development.
Here is a link to what I said over there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17448824#post17448824
So I was running back through all the apps. and such that I had used in the past on other phones and hidden in my lengthy list of apps. used to get every ounce of power out of whatever phone I was jacking with, was SuperPower. I had the paid version but it has subsequently been ditched and redone it seems and now takes the form of a BETA.
This BETA I dropped onto my Thrill and started to go through the options that are available on this version that were not there before. You can now manually go into SuperPower and tell the app. what program you want it to kill when the screen goes black, how you want wi-fi and/or radios to behave, etc. It is extremely customizable.
Until there is a custom ROM and all that for the Thrill I think we are going to have to do our best to manage the few minute undesirables this device has with things like SuperPower. So, my end result as it stands right now on battery and RAM usage, I am using a few different apps. and I will list the links below for your convenience; is after about 10 1/2 hours of fairly mid to heavy use I was sitting at about 71 % battery life. Understand I let the battery go down below 20 % then charged it back up to 100 % with no interruptions in the charging process. You should do this at least once a month just maintain good battery health and longevity anyway. Especially on powerhouse phones like the Thrill 4G.
Now when I say mid to heavy usage this is my interpretation of that; regular talk time throughout the day, 100+ text during the day, market and music downloads, 2D and 3D gaming. When it was time to charge again I was at 13 or so hours with 49 % battery still showing. Not to bad as it was blowing through battery like it was free before.
Here are the apps. I used with download links. If you have questions or anything let me know or PM me:
SuperPower BETA v 0.80(*Must be rooted by the way to use this*)
https://market.android.com/search?q=SuperPower
Chainsfire 3D(*must be rooted*)
https://market.android.com/search?q=Chainsfire&so=1&c=apps
*As a side note besides the other great benefits this app. offers what I use to help with battery usage is the Night Mode feature*
SPB Shell 3D (*This is a paid app. and worth every penny IMO. But if you are not down with dropping the change for it use LauncherPro or one of the other free Launchers out there*)
https://market.android.com/search?q=spb+shell+3d+&so=1&c=apps
Advanced Task Manager
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.arron.taskManagerFree&feature=search_result
Hotspot Guru
https://market.android.com/search?q=Hotspot+Guru&so=1&c=apps
Besides what I listed as benefits for SuperPower there are a ton more that I have not even touched on. This app is jam-packed full of modding goodness. get the app. and use at your own risk kind of thing and explore this bad boy because its a doozy. Lol! Hope this helps.
What are you doing specifically on the Superpower app to get such good battery life?
I think I am at the point that the best option....is to just return the thrill.
I tried using it as my dedicated device for a few days now and it just isnt working out. it freezes,locks up, bluetooth is not holding a connection ,just all around does not perform like I expected.
I really want to like it haha....i really like the overall physical feel of the phone. The 3d is great (after waiting a ridiculously long time for it to load) but it is just too sluggish and quirky for me to enjoy daily.
I am most likely going to start from scratch tonight and give it one more week....but without some major magical miracle (like fully working cwm, kernel development and the ability to flash O3D roms) i just dont see myself keeping the thrill.
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00mred00 said:
I think I am at the point that the best option....is to just return the thrill.
I tried using it as my dedicated device for a few days now and it just isnt working out. it freezes,locks up, bluetooth is not holding a connection ,just all around does not perform like I expected.
I really want to like it haha....i really like the overall physical feel of the phone. The 3d is great (after waiting a ridiculously long time for it to load) but it is just too sluggish and quirky for me to enjoy daily.
I am most likely going to start from scratch tonight and give it one more week....but without some major magical miracle (like fully working cwm, kernel development and the ability to flash O3D roms) i just dont see myself keeping the thrill.
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Really. Mine flies through screen's and apps with Zero Lag including 3D. As far as it sounds to me, sounds like your phone is either defective or loaded with a Ton of apps running in the background constantly. If it's apps running in the background all the time as far as I recall Froyo didn't do the greatest at managing what to shut down and when. Either way goodluck.
Thanks! As for apps...that isn't the issue for sure. There are a number of things the phone does quickly but there are a few it does not. The camera does concern me. When I open the three d can it just goes blank screen for a while and then finally comes up.
Hell even typing at times everything will occassionally just pause for a few.
I haven't given up yet. I am going to hard reset and give her one more go
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Really. Mine flies through screen's and apps with Zero Lag including 3D. As far as it sounds to me, sounds like your phone is either defective or loaded with a Ton of apps running in the background constantly. If it's apps running in the background all the time as far as I recall Froyo didn't do the greatest at managing what to shut down and when. Either way goodluck.
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Try using taskiller and set it up to kill apps when the screen is off. That seems to work well for me with app management.
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Try using taskiller and set it up to kill apps when the screen is off. That seems to work well for me with app management.
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Personally, I have been using "Autokiller Memory Optimizer," which is NOT a task killer, but allows you to set memory limits.
This may be overly aggressive, but this is the setup I have been using, and it has been treating me very well. From top to bottom, in MB (from "foreground app" to "empty app"): 18 / 24 / 32 /100 / 125 / 150
I may tweak it down a little, but in general this setup has allowed me to multitask between apps really quickly, while Android "kills" the apps I'm no longer using. Highly recommended for (rooted) Thrill users!
While I'm at it, another useful (paid, requires root) tool for the thrill is "Autostarts."
With what I have done so far with SuperPower and such my phone is flying right along and running consistently with between 186 and 202 mb of available memory. So with the processor and RAM hauling ass I am loving this phone. I am can't wait for some some stuff to come down the pipe for this phone. There is definitely a lot of BS stuff running hidden that can slow it down but with SuperPower and the task killer and all the stuff I talked about when I started the thread I am so far satisfied.
Running mine basically how it came straight out of the box, no custom rom, only fancy apps I'm using are appkiller and setcpu right now. Battery life before I got setcpu was... less than desired. But when I got it and configured it to only use as much processor speed as I'd need for my "on the go" usage, I get enough life out of it to last me the whole day, and get home at 20% battery. What I did? Set it so it uses minimal CPU speed (30%)with the screen off, and in calls, and during normal usage it only runs at 60% and that's more than enough to handle my regular usage of texting, emails, calls, browsing, a little bit of gaming, near constant syncing, as well as a good amout of music streaming and maybe only about 50% standby time. Love this phone, dual core with half gig of ram is pretty much complete overkill as far as any phone goes. I fly through Apps only using 60% of the cpu's stock capabilities.now for the times when I'm out longer than normal (over 14 hours a day) I have it set to use minimal CPU speed at 15% battery life and less, in case of emergencies.
I'm returning mine. I either put too many apps, get too many defective phones, or just need a phone with more memory. Never had running out of application room on the Captivate or Inspire.
Camera can take up to 8-10 seconds to finally come on. This is a pain when I want some quick shots of the kids at the moment.
Mine also freezes up while I'm using the keyboard whether it's the stock or swiftkey or better keyboard. This is the 2nd thrill I've had and same issues. So that leaves pretty much the GS2 that's coming out. And Samsung scares me.
Until we get a custom kernel.....i am not aware of anything that will allow us too throttle cpu speed. what are you using? sure the apps will allow you to make setting adjustments yes....but those settings are not sticking (not on the apps I have tried)
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Running mine basically how it came straight out of the box, no custom rom, only fancy apps I'm using are appkiller and setcpu right now. Battery life before I got setcpu was... less than desired. But when I got it and configured it to only use as much processor speed as I'd need for my "on the go" usage, I get enough life out of it to last me the whole day, and get home at 20% battery. What I did? Set it so it uses minimal CPU speed (30%)with the screen off, and in calls, and during normal usage it only runs at 60% and that's more than enough to handle my regular usage of texting, emails, calls, browsing, a little bit of gaming, near constant syncing, as well as a good amout of music streaming and maybe only about 50% standby time. Love this phone, dual core with half gig of ram is pretty much complete overkill as far as any phone goes. I fly through Apps only using 60% of the cpu's stock capabilities.now for the times when I'm out longer than normal (over 14 hours a day) I have it set to use minimal CPU speed at 15% battery life and less, in case of emergencies.
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I'm using the xda app setCPU it's a free download for site members and only requires rooting your phone. Note that the app only controls the max and min speeds of the processor, this isn't overclocking. I don't really know that much about the app beyond what it's supposed to, and seemingly succeeding at doing. Everything that I've done with the app seems to be working fine. I tested it with min and max at only 30% CPU speed (the lowest it seems to allow for), and I definitely felt it in the way my phone responded, the entire time (atleast ten mins) up til I turned the settings back up
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Until we get a custom kernel.....i am not aware of anything that will allow us too throttle cpu speed. what are you using? sure the apps will allow you to make setting adjustments yes....but those settings are not sticking (not on the apps I have tried)
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I will play with it again but i recall it doing nothing. it looks like the settings have been changed but they do not stick. Running a few benchmarks showed processor still running at full speed
I did a factory reset...will play with it when i get everything loaded up again.
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I'm using the xda app setCPU it's a free download for site members and only requires rooting your phone. Note that the app only controls the max and min speeds of the processor, this isn't overclocking. I don't really know that much about the app beyond what it's supposed to, and seemingly succeeding at doing. Everything that I've done with the app seems to be working fine. I tested it with min and max at only 30% CPU speed (the lowest it seems to allow for), and I definitely felt it in the way my phone responded, the entire time (atleast ten mins) up til I turned the settings back up
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Haven't done any benchmark tests, my conclusion just came based on the results of improved battery
life to be completely honest.
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SuperPower can throttle it up a bit. It is one of the settings to be checked off.
Open up SuperPower>scroll down to: CPU Scaling: Enable and check the box
Below that is a box you can check for CPU Scaling: ondemand
Like I said in my original post there are a fair amount of options that gives us the opportunity to have our devices running at their best. I appreciate everyone's postings about what they are trying and so forth. This is how it all begins to getting stuff done. Thanks guys.
Not a problem my good friend, I'm a huge fan of this device and the potentials it possess, I am glad to be a part of any improvements that can be made.
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I am a goon...underclock works perfectly fine
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I'm glad you got it working, how's it helping you're battery life?
yeah ironic I know, a die hard Android fan like myself, doing iPhone AppleCare phone support.
47r0n1n said:
SuperPower can throttle it up a bit. It is one of the settings to be checked off.
Open up SuperPower>scroll down to: CPU Scaling: Enable and check the box
Below that is a box you can check for CPU Scaling: ondemand
Like I said in my original post there are a fair amount of options that gives us the opportunity to have our devices running at their best. I appreciate everyone's postings about what they are trying and so forth. This is how it all begins to getting stuff done. Thanks guys.
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I can't find this settings under super power? Do I need to have a paid version of this app?
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irishpunk said:
I'm glad you got it working, how's it helping you're battery life?
yeah ironic I know, a die hard Android fan like myself, doing iPhone AppleCare phone support.
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Can you post your setcpu settings?
I'm running my CPU at 600000mHz max and 300000mHz min for normal use, and babe a profile that sets it to 300000mHz max and min with the screen off. Have all my profiles set for "on demand" so it only ramps up the CPU when it needs it
yeah ironic I know, a die hard Android fan like myself, doing iPhone AppleCare phone support.
So... I've now given my HTC EVO 3D to my wife as a gift (not wrapped lol.. I just said she could have it so she has a nice phone)... and I've gone back to her old phone which is a Sony Vivaz. Now the only reason I got shot of the O2X in the first place was due to it lagging after even half a day, and the EVO 3D had 1GB of RAM and it doesn't lag at all. so.... basically.. now there is a stock LG ICS version (I assume there is looking at other threads?) has this resolved the lag? When I say lag, I mean it not even being able to play video's smoothly, and games nose diving in performance etc.
If this is the case... I'll probably be on the look-out for another O2X as I enjoyed having a nice bright screen and an HDMI port
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So... I've now given my HTC EVO 3D to my wife as a gift (not wrapped lol.. I just said she could have it so she has a nice phone)... and I've gone back to her old phone which is a Sony Vivaz. Now the only reason I got shot of the O2X in the first place was due to it lagging after even half a day, and the EVO 3D had 1GB of RAM and it doesn't lag at all. so.... basically.. now there is a stock LG ICS version (I assume there is looking at other threads?) has this resolved the lag? When I say lag, I mean it not even being able to play video's smoothly, and games nose diving in performance etc.
If this is the case... I'll probably be on the look-out for another O2X as I enjoyed having a nice bright screen and an HDMI port
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stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.
xadidas said:
stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.
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Prior to ICS the custom rom's/kernel's lagged badly as well.. like they were out of memory.... are you 100% they don't lag? i.e. you don't have to reset your phone daily just to watch a movie or play a 3D game?
well take into account that the device only has 348mb ram? So It's a bit memory hungry but ICS performance overall is quite nice
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stock rom lags, but custom im sure is smooth and with no lags.
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This is not true. Do you have direct experience? What rom do you use?
I'm using 30B stock LG in Italy and I must say that I finally can touch high smoothness and fast performance.
Never found this with custom roms.
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This is not true. Do you have direct experience? What rom do you use?
I'm using 30B stock LG in Italy and I must say that I finally can touch high smoothness and fast performance.
Never found this with custom roms.
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The stock fettled rom always worked best for me. I tried stock kernel and stefans kernel and some others but it didn't make any difference to the lag that happened after a random amount of time (within a day). The phone itself would be fine, just video and game performance sucked after a while. To be clear.. on a fresh restart/boot of the phone the performance was EXCELLENT... just it degraded after a relatively short time, and was the deciding factor for selling it. If this has been resolved with ICS I would REALLLLLY like to know.
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well take into account that the device only has 348mb ram? So It's a bit memory hungry but ICS performance overall is quite nice
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I did take that into account. I found the best experience was with the fettled stock italian rom last year before ICS was released, but the phone always suffered with slow down, even within an hour of turning it on if I did something intensive like play a game or watch a video. It took half a day to a day to slow down if not doing anything intensive. It was REALLLLLY aggravating.
I do realise it has limited memory, but given it wasn't running ICS it really should have performed better for longer as such. If Tegra 2 needed more memory to continue running that that's what it should have had. It's an amazing phone (for the money) otherwise I thought.
If people who use there phone for video playback and say... playing a tegra 2 game like dungeon defenders could come in and comment on if performance degrades to getting REALLY bad frame rates after a while, I would really appreciate it. If you can go for a month or something playing games and watching video's without an issue, I REALLY like to hear about it.
@Scougar,
I'm very sorry for you.
I bought 2x on oct 2011, not for playing games as first goal, I have been happy with 20S (removing some unused system apps) for many months and now I am with 30B.
Good luck.
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dont know how anyone can say that cm10 is smooth for example (havent tried stock ics yet tho), because its just so awfully slow for me, lags more than cm7, im sure its because of higher ram consumption. even with swap partition enabled. i mean it IS very smooth, when it works that is, but it quite often has these awful slowdowns for me when the phone just puts me on ignore mode lol
i mean its pathetic, cant even have 2 tabs open in chrome without having to reload the pages after switching tabs. movies and games work great tho, never had any issues, on any android version. best thing about this phone really.
Look i understand what you are saying but the weird thing is with the build from jan 2013+ the performance is just amazing..
And I never experienced a bsod nor a freeze nor a slowdown and not even a single fc i really don't knoa but some people have strange p990's or i just got myself a special one eheh.
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Really.cm10 is the smoothest exp. i ever had on our phone
Smoother then modded ics couse of fps and fluidity...ics and cm10 rock's on our phone,really no lag for days...
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@Scougar,
I'm very sorry for you.
I bought 2x on oct 2011, not for playing games as first goal, I have been happy with 20S (removing some unused system apps) for many months and now I am with 30B.
Good luck.
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lol, sorry for me? You shouldn't be, because I 'upgraded' to the EVO 3D, on an amazing sim-free deal for it, and it worked perfectly for me, without issue and had ICS for months before LG. I'm just considering coming back to the O2X as I really loved it apart from the lag. I would prefer to use a stock modded rom so that I get full functionality rather than fast performance and missing options.
I will keep my eyes open for one.. but they are pretty expensive for such an old phone (which is weird).
I am running CM10 on the new boot loader with custom kernel and its darn near perfect for me. Smooth as butter and battery life is as good as pure CM7 ROM.
Running on CM10 with ICS bootloader....It is very smooth & lag free for me
Link---http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2058231
Agreed,Stock ICS lags very bad,installed CM10 and the phone is damn smooth!
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lol, sorry for me? You shouldn't be, because I 'upgraded' to the EVO 3D, on an amazing sim-free deal for it, and it worked perfectly for me, without issue and had ICS for months before LG. I'm just considering coming back to the O2X as I really loved it apart from the lag. I would prefer to use a stock modded rom so that I get full functionality rather than fast performance and missing options.
I will keep my eyes open for one.. but they are pretty expensive for such an old phone (which is weird).
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Try stock ICS 30B and you'll be satisfied.
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jineeshmm said:
Running on CM10 with ICS bootloader....It is very smooth & lag free for me
Link---http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2058231
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No lags with stock LG ICS 30B, very smooth full functons and stable.
Maybe in some months we'll have a stable CM10.1; CM7 took at least six months to be a stable version (missing of some functions).
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Well I'm not really experiencing a lot of lag, but it's not really smooth, even my old LG Optimus 2X running CM10 is smoother than my Nexus when scrolling through menus.
My nexus really lags a lot when scrolling through documents, and on the app drawer, especially in the widgets tab. Some games like NFS and beach buggy blitz doesn't run smoothy too.
So will a custom kernel fix everything? I don't really want to install custom ROMs.. I like how stock feel and I'm kinda sick of customizing like my LG.
Did you try disabling Background sync in Google Currents?
That should help a bit.
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Did you try disabling Background sync in Google Currents?
That should help a bit.
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I cleared cache, and disabled the app altogether. Still doesn't help.
Coming from stock 4.2.1 switching to dirty aokp with Franko kernel I can say I don't really notice a difference in lag. 4.2.1 never lagged for me before and I can't understand what people are talking about. Maybe it's because I never experienced the previous versions before...
You can install Beach Buggy Blitz from Market. It is free game with great graphics. Then you can see lags, with gaming. And there is no solution for this.
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You can install Beach Buggy Blitz from Market. It is free game with great graphics. Then you can see lags, with gaming. And there is no solution for this.
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Lag with a specific game is not general system lag...
All of these "lag" threads all go the same place; every random direction. No coherent information is ever formed..
I too would like to figure out how to get rid of the random lags after waking the device, during IO, just random other times while using the device etc.. I'll try a kernel, maybe a custom ROM at some point, maybe I've waited too long, but I've been using the stock rooted ROM. First device I kept the stock ROM on since I got my Nexus One, at least for a while
4.2.1 here with 0 lag. Currents background data WAS enabled, but I just shut it off. Thanks for the tip.
What kind of lag? While doing what? Without a proper description don't expect too much help.
Like everyone has said it is hard to tell without more information but generally custom kernels do provide better performance overall and therefor would probably be best for covering all the bases.
Like all machines aren't created equal, I don't seem to be experiencing any kind of lag on my device, as it is buttery smooth even in stock rom. I guess your device maybe running hot?
So I installed Franco on it, and lo and behold, the device got a lot more smoother, still running stock ROM.
But the battery is taking a plunge!! No idea why. Perhaps a re charge will solve problems.
It helps quite a bit but still nowhere near the smoothness of 4.1.2. Recent Apps button still takes a while to load for example.
My stock 4.2.1 is quite smooth, even better than a lot of custom roms. A different kernel improves it a bit, but not by much.
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i lag too. I think it is because of lack of ram. I always have to manually close out all apps to make things smooth again.(hulu and netflix use alot of ram)
One of my biggest issues with the OneX was the overly aggressive memory management that made multitasking impossible and plain broke some stuff. Even on my GS3 AT&T with 2GB of RAM the memory management is quite aggressive probably to help battery life or something. On my Nexus 4 however I can choose to leave apps running non stop for days at a time and they remain that way. Especially handy for Maps or Ingress BTW.
Anybody with one have a sense on how it is on the One? I'm hoping the extra 1GB of RAM helps but then Sense was always overly bloated and the whole blink feed thing can't have a small footprint.
Looking for thoughts since the phone is useless to me if it will continuously kill apps in the background.
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Well I dont know if the apps remain days after launching them but I got to tell You that its faaaar better than One X. The other day I opened 10tabs in the browser at the same time and no reloading. When it comes to new sense its like a night and day. Normally on my OneX ram usage was about 800MB without any app runnig. With The One I have 550MB from 1.5GB that is usable so that indicates that Sense 5 is a lot lighter and believe me... Its really fast. They got rid of most widgets, animations are more simple etc. Blinkfeed is kinda nice but it needs extended functionality.
Multitasking isn't an issue.
I've come from phones with 512Mb RAM - the dialer in particular used to get shut down all the time, leading to lag when someone rang, or when I wanted to boot the dialer up again to ring someone. I rooted those phones just so I could lock the dialer in memory.
The HTC One appears to do the same (well, the dialer eventually disappears from the recent apps list anyway), but even so, it is no problem. Using the dialer as an example, whether I have used it 5 minutes ago or six hours ago, when I press the dialer button it comes up straight away, i.e no laggy delay like previous phones. And the dialer comes up and the phone rings pretty much straight away when someone rings me (well, me ringing myself from my other phones to test the response time).
So more than enough RAM (and processing power) on the HTC One to not make it an issue any more, everything flies and all apps come straight up when you want them to. More than happy.
I know what u mean coming from the HTC one x and one x+ myself . HTC have solved the problem finally.. this baby can multitask properly.. and very quickly I might add
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I know what u mean coming from the HTC one x and one x+ myself . HTC have solved the problem finally.. this baby can multitask properly.. and very quickly I might add
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Can u pls tell me how much memory is free when u boot it up and let it settle...
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Regarding free RAM, out of the box there was about 1GB RAM free (1.5GB showing as available in the 'running apps' screen, with about 550MB used, or as it is displayed in Sense 5, '550MB/1.5GB').
I've now disabled all the stuff I don't need, and loaded Novalauncher, with six home screens full of widgets and app icons, and also Widgetlocker, i.e. quite a lot of stuff loaded - now it shows '825MB/1.5GB' (the range is about 775MB to 875MB from what I observe), which means roughly 600-700MB free RAM still, allegedly. That's without any specialist tweaking from me.
No slowdown or lag at all since I have loaded everything up.
Coming from the Nexus 4, multi tasking is a bit disappointing for me; it’s not a deal breaker but with the N4 I’d switch to an app I’d not touched in a week and it would be up, responsive and exactly where I’d left off a week later no matter what I’d done in the mean time. On the One however, apps sometimes have to reopen and - for me a more annoying behaviour- sometimes relatively recently used apps do a sort of ‘refresh’ when they first load up. The app seems to load up, but then it fades out and then back again, which means that although they usually pick up where they left off, they’re unresponsive for a second. It’s not all the time and it may sound like nit-picking but it feels like a fairly significant delay when everything else is so fast.
It’s also frustrating using certain apps where the refresh can lead to you losing progress; I was using a run tracker for example, stopped my run, multi tasked to music and stopped that, jumped in the shower and then switched back to the run log to sort out the details, but instead of loading my stats where I’d left it, or even reopening the app entirely, it showed an image of my runs stats just as i'd left it but then refreshed and loaded up a new run. Because i'd not pressed 'continue' in the app the run was lost. It's poor that the app didn't autosave before that point but it’s not unique behaviour either as I’ve had the same happen with office documents, games and other apps - seems very odd behaviour to me and not something i've seen in other phones where an app is either ready where it was left, or needs reopening.
If I’d gone straight from the SGS2 to this it wouldn’t be an issue but with the N4 showing me what can be done, I do feel that the One could use some improvement.
It also depends on the app, some apps for me dont save their state at all.
As soon as I switch app it reloads when I go back to it, however on my Senny with edited memory management the same app could be opened again at same state without reloads.
For me, every single app on the 9 recent apps grid will load instantly with no refresh.
Even the stock browser? That's the biggest culpit for me in terms of seemingly needless refreshing. Hopefully what im experiencing will be fixed either by HTC or a third party as if this phone had the N4's multitasking prowess - and there's no reason it can't imo - it would feel much, much better to me.
Yeah the browser is fine; are you on stock rom? Not sure if ARHD has any tweaks in regards to multitasking but it's good for me.
MacHackz said:
Yeah the browser is fine; are you on stock rom? Not sure if ARHD has any tweaks in regards to multitasking but it's good for me.
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Yep completely stock - usually like to wait a few weeks before going down the custom rom route so i can get a good guage of the otb experience. If it fixes the muti-tasking i'll switch over to ARHD once i've fixed my N4 though
So some people are actually having the refresh problems again?
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I don’t know what the last generation HTC One’s were like but this isn’t terrible, it’s better at multi tasking than my S2 in general - just not as good as the N4 and the strange refreshing/redrawing behaviour seems totally pointless and counterintuitive.
At least it does that because of the battery !
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Arival said:
I don’t know what the last generation HTC One’s were like but this isn’t terrible, it’s better at multi tasking than my S2 in general - just not as good as the N4 and the strange refreshing/redrawing behaviour seems totally pointless and counterintuitive.
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It isn't pointless it helps save battery because it essentially freezes apps in the background so they don't use CPU. When you go back to them they then resume and have to refresh. So in the end it will help with battery - on a stock One X I used to easily get 5h screen on time. Never got close on a SGS3 or any other phone.
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Not going to lie but my Note 2 has never refreshed an app yet. If the One is plagued with refreshing and aggressive memory management its a deal breaker. Im just confused because some people say yes and others no to the problem. Which is it?
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Not going to lie but my Note 2 has never refreshed an app yet. If the One is plagued with refreshing and aggressive memory management its a deal breaker. Im just confused because some people say yes and others no to the problem. Which is it?
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As always it depends entirely on what apps you use and what state they report. The memory management on the One won't be for RAM reasons but CPU and battery reasons. The worse news is even after rooting and changing system settings some of the aggressive management on the One X was at the kernel level.
Given the extra memory on the One. I'm guessing it won't be as bad but you'll have to use it yourself to know for sure.
I'm currently on a Nexus 4 and this is the best Android multitasking I've ever seen on a phone ever.
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I think it also depends what phone you came from and how you use it. I constantly switch out between a dozen or so apps and am used to the nexus 4 which is pretty much flawless for multi tasking, but having used a one x+ side by side (literally 5 minutes ago) the one is massively improved, and it's also a lot better than my s2.
It's a damn fast phone and most of the time there's no issue, but it could still be improved slightly - I'll check out a custom rom this week and see if that does it.
I'm still very happy with my purchase - particularly since the battery life has improved significantly and now trounces what I got with the n4 in the same situation.
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Need an honest opinions of both sides here.
I have used touchwiz since I got my phone, but the lag is getting unbearable. That slight lag really pisses me off from time to time. I really enjoy the camera on touchwiz, but I hear that AOSP is smooth.
I'm on firekat have tried poprocks, no different in speed compared to stock in my opinion.
The battery life is good, get about 2-3 SOT with decent usage.
AOSP users, how you liking CM remix or CM?
Thanks in advance!
Did you follow mega's advice on setup in his second post of his threads? Something is wrong with your setup or your barely if that's all you get.
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imafriend123 said:
Need an honest opinions of both sides here.
I have used touchwiz since I got my phone, but the lag is getting unbearable. That slight lag really pisses me off from time to time. I really enjoy the camera on touchwiz, but I hear that AOSP is smooth.
I'm on firekat have tried poprocks, no different in speed compared to stock in my opinion.
The battery life is good, get about 2-3 SOT with decent usage.
AOSP users, how you liking CM remix or CM?
Thanks in advance!
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I used CM for a long time on my Note 4. It was super fast. But had a few issues. Like with most CM builds it takes a lot of development before it becomes really stable, and lollipop was still not there when i tried it.
Also losing the great samsung camera, the quick charge, and the sPen functions really was a bummer.
I still recomend giving it a try though, it really flies.
As for TW, I'm with you about the lag. It is like randomly, every once in a while, the phone gets stuck. I really think it has to do with all of the stuff samsung is running in the background on the phone.
To fix it I took Poprocks v14 and removed about 700mb of crapware before i installed it. (rezipped it and flashed it) Basically its as stock as TW can be while still keeping the sPen and camera feature. Its been pretty lag free, and fast. Still not as fast as AOSP, but as close as I have ever got TW.
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Also losing the great samsung camera, the quick charge, and the sPen functions really was a bummer.
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Uh.... You know quick charge is hardware not software right? I know my Note 4 quick charges on AOSP. Also there are apps to add the SPen functions, for the most part anyway. As far as the Camera mine seems pretty good, do you mean the specific Samsung Camera app?
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Uh.... You know quick charge is hardware not software right? I know my Note 4 quick charges on AOSP. Also there are apps to add the SPen functions, for the most part anyway. As far as the Camera mine seems pretty good, do you mean the specific Samsung Camera app?
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Quick charge is hardware AND software. It's why on a TW based ROM you can turn it on and off. AOSP chargest faster than it did on other phones, but its not nearly as fast as the quick charge allows on a TW ROM. So don't comment on stuff if you don't actually know how it works, and definitely dont be an uh.... Smartass about it.
The AOSP camera takes worse pictures than the Samsung camera. It again doesnt have the right drivers to take full advantage of the camera hardware. It also doesnt have all of the features like slow mo video, etc.
If you want an easy way to test the camera take a picture in CM with HDR activated, then take a picture in TW with HDR activated. Its a pretty stark difference, the AOSP camera is just not very good.
You can use the app "open camera" to get a bit better quality. But it still doesnt compare to the stock TW camera.
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Quick charge is hardware AND software. It's why on a TW based ROM you can turn it on and off. AOSP chargest faster than it did on other phones, but its not nearly as fast as the quick charge allows on a TW ROM. So don't comment on stuff if you don't actually know how it works, and definitely dont be an uh.... Smartass about it.
The AOSP camera takes worse pictures than the Samsung camera. It again doesnt have the right drivers to take full advantage of the camera hardware. It also doesnt have all of the features like slow mo video, etc.
If you want an easy way to test the camera take a picture in CM with HDR activated, then take a picture in TW with HDR activated. Its a pretty stark difference, the AOSP camera is just not very good.
You can use the app "open camera" to get a bit better quality. But it still doesnt compare to the stock TW camera.
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Sure it is. That's why my Note 4 can do 0-50% in the 30 minute rated fast charge time on AOSP. Just because you can turn it on and off on TW doesn't mean the requirements are not in hardware. Maybe you should do some more learning and you would stop being a smartass about stuff you are clueless on. That or maybe you can explain how it is possible my fast charging works perfectly on AOSP then? I mean you say it doesn't work but I can easily tell it does or charging would take far longer.
As far as the Camera, I'm not arguing that is is as good, I know it isn't. AOSP camera however is fine for me and probably most other people.
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Sure it is. That's why my Note 4 can do 0-50% in the 30 minute rated fast charge time on AOSP. Just because you can turn it on and off on TW doesn't mean the requirements are not in hardware. Maybe you should do some more learning and you would stop being a smartass about stuff you are clueless on. That or maybe you can explain how it is possible my fast charging works perfectly on AOSP then? I mean you say it doesn't work but I can easily tell it does or charging would take far longer.
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Think you need to do a bit more research. I said it charges faster. But definitely at a slower rate than TW. Its all about how much power is being allowed to enter the phones battery and what the software deams safe levels for that charge. Since AOSP is based off an open source kernel it is not using the same power input as a TW ROM on a stock kernel. On AOSP it is limited more to protect the battery and work across multiple devices. On TW it is built for this phone and this battery.
I'm done arguing though and getting a bit tired of people who know nothing about coding answering questions. Your original comment added no value to the thread and your continued participation is only further derailing the intelligent conversation. Good day sir.
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I used CM for a long time on my Note 4. It was super fast. But had a few issues. Like with most CM builds it takes a lot of development before it becomes really stable, and lollipop was still not there when i tried it.
Also losing the great samsung camera, the quick charge, and the sPen functions really was a bummer.
I still recomend giving it a try though, it really flies.
As for TW, I'm with you about the lag. It is like randomly, every once in a while, the phone gets stuck. I really think it has to do with all of the stuff samsung is running in the background on the phone.
To fix it I took Poprocks v14 and removed about 700mb of crapware before i installed it. (rezipped it and flashed it) Basically its as stock as TW can be while still keeping the sPen and camera feature. Its been pretty lag free, and fast. Still not as fast as AOSP, but as close as I have ever got TW.
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hey shrek mind sharing your debloated rom i want to see what you removed thats different from my own debloat
xnknown said:
hey shrek mind sharing your debloated rom i want to see what you removed thats different from my own debloat
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If anyone wants it send me a PM i can't post it on here without the original devs permission. May open up a private group on Google+ to manage it if people want it though.
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If anyone wants it send me a PM i can't post it on here without the original devs permission.
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Or could you possibly just post a list of what you removed?
Alternately, a list of what you've kept. One quick way: adb shell pm list packages