Can you take an OTA even though you have custom recovery? - Nexus 4 General

The answer is Yes!
I've just been through the forums (here and in the N7 ones) and seen a lot of wrong advice being given for this question.
So to set the record straight and to clear any misconceptions: if you've rooted your device and have a custom recovery - but kept everything else stock - your OTA can still be successfully applied.
I just did it on my N4 using TWRP, and I've done the same in the past with my N7 on CWM too.
Good luck!

Yip but you have to apply custom recovery and root again.. Just did it too ..

Cass67 said:
Yip but you have to apply custom recovery and root again.. Just did it too ..
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That's just for 4.3 because of the problematic root access. Previously you could either use an option in CWM or the OTA RootKeeper app to keep root. Hopefully these features will get updated to deal with root in 4.3 and onwards.

Yeah but the 4.3 ota wipes the custom recovery so that needs done again.. You could be right about the root though.. I dunno

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How to ignore the System Update notification?

I rooted my Nexus One with the 1-click androot and today I've received the 2.2.1 update (FRG83) OTA. I don't want to install it because it'll unroot, but the notification is really persistent and irritating, and I'm afraid I'm going to accidentally hit the install button.
How can I make it go away?
Install a custom recovery, make sure it works, try to flash the rom, it will fail because it needs to stock recovery to install, delete the update from /cache/.
That will at least leave you with a little time before it tries to notify you again. Best thing to do is load a rooted custom rom with a build.prop mod to make it think it's a version better/same so it won't try and update you.
I thought I had to have an unlocked bootloader in order to install a custom recovery or flash custom roms. Is this not the case?
I also have rooted with the one click but have clockworkmod recovery with stock rom. I just received the update ota and I am confused as to what would happen if I attempt to install it. Will it just abort or will it brick the device? Would just a battery pull and reboot be all thats necessary? Has any new roots come out for this update? I really dont want to lose my root. Any and all help is appreciated.
tenbeau said:
I also have rooted with the one click but have clockworkmod recovery with stock rom. I just received the update ota and I am confused as to what would happen if I attempt to install it. Will it just abort or will it brick the device? Would just a battery pull and reboot be all thats necessary? Has any new roots come out for this update? I really dont want to lose my root. Any and all help is appreciated.
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I was in the same boat as you yesterday. I didn't think of the recovery so I hit update because I was tired of the notification. The phone applied the update successfully and I don't have root anymore. I have no idea how that impacts the recovery since ClockworkMod says the ClockworkMod recovery is installed.
Would like to know as well. Do not want to lose one-click root and would love to get rid of that stupid notification.
check out post #102 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791124&page=11
this user says he has gotten it to stop via this method. I cannot verify yet as I have not received the OTA
For me that seems to have stopped the OTA nagg screen.
Using quickboot to reboot then clearing the notification, I have not got another OTA nagg screen. I like the 1 click root, turn on when needed off when not.
tinymiata said:
For me that seems to have stopped the OTA nagg screen.
Using quickboot to reboot then clearing the notification, I have not got another OTA nagg screen. I like the 1 click root, turn on when needed off when not.
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I'm willing to try anything after 100+ "install later" replies Quickboot here I come
Thank you! I don't know why Quick Boot worked, but it seems that it has. It's now been a couple of hours without a notification message when they were coming back every few minutes. Thanks!
wouldn't it be cool if we got around Google's grand plan to force us to update by driving us crazy!?

Android 4.3 : after OTA update problem with root - Binary installation

Hello
I've just don't an OTA upgrade to Android 4.3 to my new Sprint HTC One.
After the OTA I rooted the device and installed recovery.
After I restarted the phone and launch the SuperSU I got this message :
"There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem.
If you just upgraded to Android 4.3 you need to manually re-root."
I would like to ask what should I do to make the root process sucseful .
I'm a newbe in the Android world and use some root manual I found.
1. What does it mean to re-root?
2. Should I unroot first ? And how it can be done?
3. Is there an 4.3 root manual somewhere to the make the SuperSU work?
Any instructions will be great help.
Thanks
Did you ever figure out how to get root? I am currently experiencing same issue.
Same issue
Same exact problem! Bump.
Any suggestions?
Please don't take OTAs after you've rooted your phone, because almost always it will wipe your root. Here is how I do my rooting.
Step 1: Go to htcdev.com and get your bootloader unlocked (this process will reset your phone back to factory setting, so back up all your pics, music, etc)
Step 2: Right after bootloader is unlocked, install a custom recovery (I prefer TWRP 2.6.3.0 for Sprint HTC One 4.3)
Step 3: As part of TWRP installation, SuperUser will be installed (root)
Step 4: Make a nandroid backup of your phone in TWRP. After that, install a custom ROM of your liking (there are plenty wonderful ones in Development section). This will keep your phone from taking OTA updates from Sprint/HTC. Don't worry, Devs on these forums (and their respective ROMs) are months ahead of Sprint in terms of updates.
For more details, head over to Development section and look for rooting instructions. there are very detailed tutorials there. Hope this helps.
having the same problem! im getting "There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it." from super su! I DO NOT WANT A CUSTOM ROM! i want stock rom but i want to have root. please help! the theres so many devs here im sure someone is kind enough to help
`Ghost` said:
having the same problem! im getting "There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it." from super su! I DO NOT WANT A CUSTOM ROM! i want stock rom but i want to have root. please help! the theres so many devs here im sure someone is kind enough to help
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If all you want is pure stock with root -- just flash one of the already rooted stock ROMs in your custom recovery (assuming you loaded TRWP or PhilZ or CWM):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48653344&postcount=2
If you want (more or less) stock with a *significantly* better experience (e.g., 30 volume steps, extreme stability, bla bla bla), I'd suggest InsertCoin (the thread is here whereas the download for our phone is here.
For either pick, since your coming in fresh to the ROM, do a full wipe (InsertCoin will do that for you as an option to the install, but I usually do that in recovery anyway).
Also -- note that InsertCoin *might* start the install and seemingly hang. That's a bug in Aroma, just hard restart the phone and try again -- letting the installer perform the wipe. It will work, and you'll be happy -- I'm sure.
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james341 said:
Hello
I've just don't an OTA upgrade to Android 4.3 to my new Sprint HTC One.
After the OTA I rooted the device and installed recovery.
After I restarted the phone and launch the SuperSU I got this message :
"There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem.
If you just upgraded to Android 4.3 you need to manually re-root."
I would like to ask what should I do to make the root process sucseful .
I'm a newbe in the Android world and use some root manual I found.
1. What does it mean to re-root?
2. Should I unroot first ? And how it can be done?
3. Is there an 4.3 root manual somewhere to the make the SuperSU work?
Any instructions will be great help.
Thanks
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See my previous post (you can just load a rooted stock ROM). But "re-root" is something you do by either flashing the SuperSU.zip file, or letting your recovery take care of re-rooting.
No need to unroot.
My take? Backup your current ROM (stock, unrooted) and then flash one of those I mentioned.
This might be of some help, or at least clarify the issue you are having.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...n-but-chainfires-supersu-works-and-heres-why/
fyi i realized i was flashing with an older version of supersu. V1.25 to be exact. I slapped supersu v1.86 on my phone and then installed that through TWRP. Root was successful.
Reason for rooting was I wanted to install titanium backup and freeze sprint id and other bloatware apps. I also wanted to eliminate GPU throttling which i did, and I set up the scrips to stop CPU and GPU throttling while im playing games, and then click the other button to shut off the script. Im happy with its performance. Shadowgun and modern combat 4 run much more smooth since doing that.
as for a custom rom im not sure im that brave yet... i thought all the big hubbub was cyanogen. has that mod lost its step? ill look in to the one you suggested, thanks.
after looking at insertcoin im going to have to pass. Ive read that kitkat completely breaks the phone for gaming and performance becomes horribad

[Q] Installing TWRP will stop me from getting OTA updates?

Hello
I bought the Note 4 from T-mobile and i'm running stock rom.
I just root the device with chainfire tool and I'm thinking to change the recovery from stock to TWRP.
I'm wondering if by doing that i will lose the ability to get OTA updates from Samsung / T-mobile.
I did a search on the forum for this question, most of the threads are a year old so i just want to make sure that the answer is the same for our new device.
Please answer just if you know for sure, Thanks
re: twrp
NirAndroid said:
Hello
I bought the Note 4 from T-mobile and i'm running stock rom.
I just root the device with chainfire tool and I'm thinking to change the recovery from stock to TWRP.
I'm wondering if by doing that i will lose the ability to get OTA updates from Samsung / T-mobile.
I did a search on the forum for this question, most of the threads are a year old so i just want to make sure that the answer is the same for our new device.
Please answer just if you know for sure, Thanks
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You already lost the ability to receive OTA updates by rooting
the phone. If you want to get OTA updates the phone cannot be
rooted or have custom recovery like twrp.
The whole and main idea behind having twrp custom recovery
is to be able to flash custom zip file roms and mods.
With stock rooted firmware you will not be able to successfully
flash any custom roms or mods.
If you do flash any custom zip file roms using twrp
you will also loose the ability to have OTA updates.
Good luck!
First, thank you for the quick reply,
Second, are you sure about it? every place I looked people saying that root doesn't have anything to do with OTA updates.
It also say that I can put TWRP or CWM and still getting the OTA updates, all I have to do for this to happen is to be with stock rom (which is what i'm currently using)
Misterjunky said:
You already lost the ability to receive OTA updates by rooting
the phone. If you want to get OTA updates the phone cannot be
rooted or have custom recovery like twrp.
The whole and main idea behind having twrp custom recovery
is to be able to flash custom zip file roms and mods.
With stock rooted firmware you will not be able to successfully
flash any custom roms or mods.
If you do flash any custom zip file roms using twrp
you will also loose the ability to have OTA updates too.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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NirAndroid said:
First, thank you for the quick reply,
Second, are you sure about it? every place I looked people saying that root doesn't have anything to do with OTA updates.
It also say that I can put TWRP or CWM and still getting the OTA updates, all I have to do for this to happen is to be with stock rom (which is what i'm currently using)
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If you check the OTA option and find an update, the updater
will tell you that it cannot install the update due to an unofficial
operating system or something to that effect, I forgot the exact
wording of the message. (if you're rooted)
There is a way to unroot the phone but in my opinion it's just not worth the
hassle to re-root it because as I said being rooted and having twrp recovery
will not help you much at all since you will not be able to flash any custom
roms or mods with out loosing your official stock status which needs to
remain intact in order to be able to get future ota updates.
Good luck!
NirAndroid said:
First, thank you for the quick reply,
Second, are you sure about it? every place I looked people saying that root doesn't have anything to do with OTA updates.
It also say that I can put TWRP or CWM and still getting the OTA updates, all I have to do for this to happen is to be with stock rom (which is what i'm currently using)
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Mr. Junky is correct. But why would you even want an OTA update? Even if you could it would unroot your device. If there is/was a software update it will be on here or SamMobile about the same time & you can install it manually.
NirAndroid said:
First, thank you for the quick reply,
Second, are you sure about it? every place I looked people saying that root doesn't have anything to do with OTA updates.
It also say that I can put TWRP or CWM and still getting the OTA updates, all I have to do for this to happen is to be with stock rom (which is what i'm currently using)
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You have only 2 posts on XDA and you are second guessing our replies on your question? Either believe what we answer or stick to google and don't waste our time.
NirAndroid said:
Hello
I bought the Note 4 from T-mobile and i'm running stock rom.
I just root the device with chainfire tool and I'm thinking to change the recovery from stock to TWRP.
I'm wondering if by doing that i will lose the ability to get OTA updates from Samsung / T-mobile.
I did a search on the forum for this question, most of the threads are a year old so i just want to make sure that the answer is the same for our new device.
Please answer just if you know for sure, Thanks
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Well OTA is out of the question. But I was successful with the last update by using Kies 3.
I just had to root again afterwards using the same method.
Brava27 said:
You have only 2 posts on XDA and you are second guessing our replies on your question? Either believe what we answer or stick to google and don't waste our time.
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No body asked you to spend your time in my thread, you are more then welcome to move a long because its clearly that you have nothing smart to say beside rasing your post counter.
For all the others, thank you for your help.
The reason that i would like to keep the OTA updates is because i love the stock rom and i dont want to check every timr on the internet if a new build has came out.
its much more easier with OTA too keep being update. But i guess my needs to be root are biger and i will need to flash the updates manually.
Once again, thank you.
I get Ota updates on mine rooted.Only thing u can't install if u have twrp will put u in a boot loop it needs the stock android recovery.You have to wait for a rom with the update
...........As long as I can remember, you root a device you lose carrier OTA updates. ..why is this so difficult for people to comprehend o_0 every new device every year it's the same questions. .......you have the capacity to root......yet you question if you'll lose OTA -_-, & most root methods have disclaimers saying you lose this x we are not responsible for brick etc. ........
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Updating after root

Forgive me if this has been asked before. I did search, but I couldn't seem to find an answer to this.
I have a dev edition model. I really want to root, but have been holding off because there are bugs with the current build of Lollipop and I'm kind of hoping Moto will release a 5.02 update soon to kill the memory leak and other issues. That being said, I have really been itching for root.
If I did root, what would I have to do to this phone to update it to the new version? Would I have to completely return to stock and wipe? Or could I ADB sideload? Seems like I was reading that you can't update at all when you're rooted, even if you disable root.
Without any idea how much longer it'll be before the next update, I'm finding it harder and harder to hold off on root, but I don't want to go through hell to get it back to stock and update it.
Thanks for any help and sorry if this has already been asked.
From what I understand, root is fine. It is installing a custom recovery that will stop you from getting the OTA. You can very easily undo root. As a matter if fact, you can pretty easily reinstall the stock recovery also.
diggitydogg said:
From what I understand, root is fine. It is installing a custom recovery that will stop you from getting the OTA. You can very easily undo root. As a matter if fact, you can pretty easily reinstall the stock recovery also.
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Thanks for the reply.
Most of the time, that's true. I have updated a lot of phones by simply unrooting, applying the update, and rooting again, or using ADB sideload and then just rooting. But from what I have been reading about the Moto X 2014, you have to completely restore it back to stock before doing anything, even if you just use the temp boot method to root.
Is that wrong? I can't seem to find any info that confirms either way.
I've installed custom recovery, how can I reverse it and install the original recovery for update?
One advantage of root is you'll have Titanium Backup, so even if you do have to do a full wipe before applying the update, you could just update it and restore everything back quickly using TiBu. With lollipop, apparently the update file checks for the entire system checksum as a whole instead of each file so any slight modification to the system will mostly require pure stock and this is the same even with the nexus. So yeah, you most likely have to wipe your device before updating. I'd say, wait till Xposed for Lollipop is out, its almost there, once it comes out go ahead and root it, it'll at least be worth the hassle then
If you're rooted with lollipop and want to take an OTA update you can flash stock recovery and the stock system image. At that point you should still have all apps/data and be able to take a OTA update. The recovery and system files should be the exact version you already have and of course anytime you flash realize you could lose data!
Steve-x said:
If you're rooted with lollipop and want to take an OTA update you can flash stock recovery and the stock system image. At that point you should still have all apps/data and be able to take a OTA update. The recovery and system files should be the exact version you already have and of course anytime you flash realize you could lose data!
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Right. All you need to do is flash the stock /system partition and also the recovery if you replaced it. I don't know why everyone's talking about having to wipe the entire phone with the all the stock images.

question about maintaining root

So far I've been running my OP3T with stock rom with TWRP recovery and SuperSU to have root. This was mostly because I wanted the Adaway and titanium backup to work. I undid everything so I could update to the latest OxygenOS version, and now I'm on the stock recovery too, but with bootloader still unlocked I believe. I no longer have root after doing the upgrade as far as I can tell, still a bit new to all this flashing, haha. The last time I did this was when the nexus 4 came out
What is the best option for maintaining root while still being able to upgrade smoothly? I'm not against using one of the custom ROMs if that will help, but I do kinda like the stock rom so far!
thanks!
bluesrph said:
So far I've been running my OP3T with stock rom with TWRP recovery and SuperSU to have root. This was mostly because I wanted the Adaway and titanium backup to work. I undid everything so I could update to the latest OxygenOS version, and now I'm on the stock recovery too, but with bootloader still unlocked I believe. I no longer have root after doing the upgrade as far as I can tell, still a bit new to all this flashing, haha. The last time I did this was when the nexus 4 came out
What is the best option for maintaining root while still being able to upgrade smoothly? I'm not against using one of the custom ROMs if that will help, but I do kinda like the stock rom so far!
thanks!
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This thread should answer all your questions and doubts
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-or-custom-recovery-without-data-loss.479265/
saurabh40629 said:
This thread should answer all your questions and doubts
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-or-custom-recovery-without-data-loss.479265/
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Thank you, I have seen that post. I'm guessing any route I go I'll have to flash updates then? I was hoping to find a way to be able to use OTA updates.
I've also never been able to get rid of the dm-verity error, even after going back to stock and locking the bootloader. Is there anything I need to worry about with that or is it just an annoyance?
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bluesrph said:
Thank you, I have seen that post. I'm guessing any route I go I'll have to flash updates then? I was hoping to find a way to be able to use OTA updates.
I've also never been able to get rid of the dm-verity error, even after going back to stock and locking the bootloader. Is there anything I need to worry about with that or is it just an annoyance?
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Dm-verity u can bypass but bootloader one, you can not. Look at the apps, mods section.
bluesrph said:
Thank you, I have seen that post. I'm guessing any route I go I'll have to flash updates then? I was hoping to find a way to be able to use OTA updates.
I've also never been able to get rid of the dm-verity error, even after going back to stock and locking the bootloader. Is there anything I need to worry about with that or is it just an annoyance?
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You shouldn't try to flash the partial OTAs while you are rooted and have a custom recovery installed. The partial zip will try to make specific changes in the restricted partitions (/system, /boot, /recovery, etc.) related to the update and prior modifications to these files may cause the update to fail and the phone to brick. You can still use the "Update" tab in the Settings menu to download the update though as OOS will detect root and download the full zip of the update for you. Simply flash the full zip in TWRP, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash SuperSU and you're good to go the next time an update rolls out. Updating by this method (rooting immedately after flashing update) will also prevent OOS from replacing TWRP with the stock recovery again. When you download the update, you'll know if it's the full zip if the file is >1 GB (they're usually ~1.4 GB,, whereas the partial zips are a few hundred MB).
Unlocked bootloader warning screen is cannot be removed without relocked and fully resetting (wiping) the phone. DM-verity warning screen can be removed by following this guide. Make sure that you are flashing the correct firmware for you current version of OOS though, flashing the wrong version can brick you phone.

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