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first 25% of battery drops fast?

Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP

The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.

From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?

I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.

netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?

I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.

gqstatus0685 said:
You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.

I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)

kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.

depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.

*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it

Froyo FRF85B Battery Life Quirks

I don't know if I am the only one seeing this, but when I had Eclair, I had crap battery life, to the tune of 10 hours or so. (Granted this may not be crap for Nexus One but it is crap based off past phones I have had.) I installed FRF85B last night and discovered some weird glitches.
First off, when it was in my car dock, it wasn't charging yet the battery life kept dropping, I powered off the device, and powered it back on 10 minutes later (still in the dock) and no change stayed at 91%, still wouldn't charge. I then powered it off, took it out of the dock, plugged in the car charger cable directly and powered on my N1, when it turned on, it said I had 100% battery life. I then plugged it back into the car dock, and voila it started charging.
Secondly, originally when I had unplugged my N1 this morning I used it for about an hour at 5AM and it dropped 2% I plugged it back in to top it off expecting the same crap battery life from Eclair, yet so far, my phone has been fully topped off (from the car dock) for the past 40 minutes and I've made about 20 minutes of phone calls on it, yet it still is reporting 100%. So either Froyo can't properly report battery life, or it has the potential to have absurd battery life. Anyone else experiencing anything like this?

First off - you still didn't search this forum, so you're still thinking that an overcharging protection that doesn't allow you to charge unless you drop below 91%, is a quirk. It's not.
Second, wiping battery stats and making battery calibration procedure ONCE will give you a good starting point to measure something.

Jack_R1 said:
First off - you still didn't search this forum, so you're still thinking that an overcharging protection that doesn't allow you to charge unless you drop below 91%, is a quirk. It's not.
Second, wiping battery stats and making battery calibration procedure ONCE will give you a good starting point to measure something.
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The quirk isn't that it wouldn't let me charge that way, the issue was, my battery reported 91% yet when I rebooted the device with the charger directly plugged into it, it immediately showed 100%. So pretty much over the course of 30 seconds I gained 9% battery life.
I wiped my device to factory settings before upgrading to Froyo, and after as well, since my device is not rooted, my understanding is I cannot wipe my battery calibration log.
I did drain my battery fully after upgrading to froyo last night and did a full charge as well.

What you're describing looks like the statistics of the battery is "lying" a bit. I believe it can be thrown a bit off by trying to charge it when it's in 91-100% range, but I don't know the exact way it works, so I can't say much about it.
Indeed, if you're not rooted, wiping battery stats is not an option. Several times of full charge and long discharge (you don't need to go below 20%, to prevent harming the battery) are helpful in correcting the statistics.
If you get a chance to try, please repeat this again (having the phone at >90%, turning it off, plugging it into the charger and turning it back on). If it shows "Charged" again - it might be a bug worth reporting.

Jack_R1 said:
What you're describing looks like the statistics of the battery is "lying" a bit. I believe it can be thrown a bit off by trying to charge it when it's in 91-100% range, but I don't know the exact way it works, so I can't say much about it.
Indeed, if you're not rooted, wiping battery stats is not an option. Several times of full charge and long discharge (you don't need to go below 20%, to prevent harming the battery) are helpful in correcting the statistics.
If you get a chance to try, please repeat this again (having the phone at >90%, turning it off, plugging it into the charger and turning it back on). If it shows "Charged" again - it might be a bug worth reporting.
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I'll have to try it again tomorrow morning, first see if it happens under the same circumstances and go from there. One thing I do remember is the widget I was using "Battery Left" reported that at 91% I had 4100 mAh left in it, which was interesting, and when it went back to 100% it had 4120 mAh which makes me think the OS wasn't actually reading the voltage and thought it was just draining the battery instead.
EDIT: Just realised I had my wall charger with me, battery was at 90% figured I would try, real quick to attempt to replicate the problem, I was unable to, with a direct battery connection, but it could be due to a voltage issue or be related to why plugging it in directly to the car charger resolved the issue. My gut feeling is, it has to do with the dock itself and the pins it uses.

my battery often is charging and it hits 93% and immediately jumps right to 100%. it skips the last 7% or so. i think what is happening is you just finally experienced this issue, which many of us have already posted about in battery threads, but it just happens to coincide with froyo so you are thinking its new and related. the nexus ever once in a while battery meter just gets thrown off and will jump up to 100% because it really was full, just had to catch up the meter. you really should pay attention to the voltage more than percentage, using battery life widget. i know my battery is fully charged at 4.172 volts. and sometimes it hits that but still only shows 94%, so it adjusts itself in one fell swoop.

The issue is I did an extra full charge about an hour ago so I can make it till midnight and it went through all the numbers from 89-100 with no issue
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Addendum: Also it seems to be voltage is not that good of a decider of how much my charge is. Before Froyo, until I dropped below 94% I was always above 4 Volts, now I drop below 4 Volts at 96%.

So this morning I was able to replicate the problem, only it was outside of the car dock, I was able to get this problem to reoccur with the wall charger. I unplugged it from power, used it a little bit and then topped it off for the day, it was at 96%. I saw the green light go on, and thought nothing of it, 20 minutes later I went back to it and it was still at 96% and showed that the battery was fully charged.
I checked the Battery Left widget and it was saying the battery was fully charged even though it said 96% left also. I did make a crappy video uploaded to youtube from my backflip to show as well what I am talking about.

AFAIK, The green LED will light when you're anywhere above 90%. It's not a function of charge being complete. Check it.
Also, if you plugged it in with 96% - this is the behavior to be expected, since the phone won't start charging unless it has below 90% to begin with, and it'll show "Charged" - because it's not charging (to prevent overcharge).
Again, fail to see any problem in what you're describing.

Jack_R1 said:
AFAIK, The green LED will light when you're anywhere above 90%. It's not a function of charge being complete. Check it.
Also, if you plugged it in with 96% - this is the behavior to be expected, since the phone won't start charging unless it has below 90% to begin with, and it'll show "Charged" - because it's not charging (to prevent overcharge).
Again, fail to see any problem in what you're describing.
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Yet my phone has always been able to charge when above 90% before froyo. This behavior is new to froyo for me at least.
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It means that you've never paid attention to that until now. It's working this way since the phone was out (with stock Eclair) and if I'm not mistaken - it's not controlled by OS at all.

I did pay attention to such actually because of the fact that I had been getting piss poor battery life. This has never happened before. In the morning I would use the device a little then top it off because I noticed that works give better battery life.
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Well, you had a buggy phone that has now corrected itself. Welcome to the way it was supposed to work from the beginning.
Topping off the battery at 90%+ contributes to battery degradation - heating from overcharging. So you were actually damaging your battery.

[Q] Just bought my Moto X. Question about the first time charge.

So, the salesperson told me to fully use the current charge on the phone and then told me to charge it for 6 hours straight.
Now the 30% battery it had lasted for quite a while I fully discharged it, it turned off on its own.
Now it's been charging for 3 hours and it's already full. Should I leave it for the full 6 hours? or can I use it now?
I'm a bit anxious but I can wait if its better for the phone.
Thanks :laugh:

You're gonna get different answers with no scientific backing.
So here's the first: just do an extra 45 mins to an hour after it reaches 100%.
If you click the link in my sig and scroll to the bottom of that post you'll see my battery life which, is pretty decent.

Thanks
scorpion667 said:
You're gonna get different answers with no scientific backing.
So here's the first: just do an extra 45 mins to an hour after it reaches 100%.
If you click the link in my sig and scroll to the bottom of that post you'll see my battery life which, is pretty decent.
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Thanks man

This is sheer non sense. Once the phone reaches 100 percent, the kernel cuts off the charging . What use would it be by charging it for another 45 hrs?

DaRkRhiNe said:
This is sheer non sense. Once the phone reaches 100 percent, the kernel cuts off the charging . What use would it be by charging it for another 45 hrs?
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I second this. Charging batteries had specific charging instructions years ago, that no longer holds true. Just charge the phone and use it. it's not that big a deal.

It's just for calibrating the battery.
Let me just get this out of the way: most of the time it doesn't make a difference.
The only time it could (not always) make a difference is one of the following scenarios:
-phone sat for a long time while turned off (i.e before you purchase it)
-you hooked up your phone to the charger many times throughout one day and didn't allow it to hit 98-100% before you unplugged.
The battery has a chip built in [most lithium ion batteries have this because they are A) explosive and B) can kill you] which is responsable for a few things:
-"guessing" your current battery percentage based on the minimum and maximum recorded voltage value. For example let's assume a phone with a 5v battery shuts off at 3v. When that battery reaches 4v it will display 50% battery left.
-deciding what the shutoff voltage is. What I mean by this is let's say for example when your 5v battery reaches 3v at the end of the day, the chip decides it's time to shut off the phone and prompt you to charge it back to 5v
-constantly reading the the voltage in order to use that data to perform the decisions listed above
The voltage sensors in phones are, well, pretty bad due to the inherent space and power limitations. The voltage values swing back and forth between different values that are (sometimes) close to the actual value the battery is at. So the battery chip has to calculate an average based on all these voltage values. It then uses that data to do it's job, which is shutting down your phone when it needs to as well as display battery percentage.
So by leaving the phone in for a little longer after 100% once in a while, all you're doing is allowing the battery chip to collect more voltage readings in order to calculate the average more accurately. You're just doing it for the sake of sample size.
Realistically unless your battery is not calibrated, it doesn't really make a difference. But a phone that just came out of a sealed box is likely to need calibration depending on the manufacture date, or how long it "sat" for.

DaRkRhiNe said:
This is sheer non sense. Once the phone reaches 100 percent, the kernel cuts off the charging . What use would it be by charging it for another 45 hrs?
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It may cut off charging..
But on my X (Dev for Verizon, stock and rooted), even after reaching 100%, the battery symbol still continues to show the "lightning bolt"/charging symbol. If I leave it connected to my Anker Astro 3, it continues to draw power until I unplug it.
@MrEndless, I agree with DaRkRhiNe and scorpion667. You're never going to get a straight answer.
Me, I ran mine down until the phone shut itself off, then charged it up to 100% and left it go over night and took it off the charger in the morning.
Once every few weeks, i do the same. Run it down until it shuts off and then put it on the charger and let it go until its been at 100% for a while. I never really say "xx minutes" or "xx hours" after 100%. It just depends on how long before I have to leave the house.

[Q] Weird Issue, phone auto shutdown when the battery is like 5% on Lollipop ?

My XT1092, recently got updated to Lollipop i.e. Android 5.0
Two of my battery runs, starting from 100% full charge came down to like 5% and the phone shut down automatically as if it was 0%
Also on a side note, i did not put any mode on the battery saver mode for those two runs.
Now to test it, i kept my battery saver to start at 5% but i am not sure if it will run at 5% or just shut down
Anyone got an idea/solution for this issue ??
P.S. Even Motorola care chat, does not have an answer, all they said is to keep my phone in safe mode for a day and check it out....

Mine just did this the other day. When I pressed the power button it showed the battery with a little red fill and a huge yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in it. Also happened last night.

I have also had the same issue xt1092 and on lollipop.

well...
yea man, so the thing is motorola support said that, keep ur phone in safe mode for a day and recheck the issue...
so idk... :/
i am checking my battery use and for now i have kept my battery saver on 5% so i hope it starts on battery saver itself.. rather than shutting down...

My XT1095 does the same thing. Really annoying! Its really lying to you about how much battery is left if its going to do that. I just know that if i'm going below 10% i better run to find a charger ASAP!

M3drvr said:
My XT1095 does the same thing. Really annoying! Its really lying to you about how much battery is left if its going to do that. I just know that if i'm going below 10% i better run to find a charger ASAP!
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it is quite misleading to say the least..
i did not have this issue with KitKat though..
might be a lollipop thing only

I'll join this list. Really annoying, and never happened on 4.4.4

I've never let my battery get that low honestly, but...
Keep in mind that your battery percentage is completely an estimate. Battery capacity is measured in mAh, but there's no way to measure the current charge capacity in mAh of a battery. The only way to do so would be to run all of the power out of the battery and record the power over time, but then you'd have a dead battery. As a result, the system estimates your remaining battery capacity as a percentage based on the current voltage of the battery. But that can be different depending upon how quickly you've drained the battery and other factors.

So, Android has methods built-in which automatically calibrate the battery, but they only work properly if you fully charge and discharge your device on a regular basis. A battery starts off weak, then it gains strength after a few charging cycles, finally over time it peaks and then begins to taper off as far as battery life goes.
You've likely not taken your device to 0% for a while. The android solution is to fully discharge and recharge your battery a few times to allow it to recalibrate. Slow charging is the best for recalibration. Plug it into a computer for 500mAh charging rather than using a charger. Chargers can charge quicker(1.5A) but do not allow the device to calibrate as well due to the high amperage.
So, just use your device and let it drain fully, and charge fully on a computer USB port and it should recalibrate itself.

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So, Android has methods built-in which automatically calibrate the battery, but they only work properly if you fully charge and discharge your device on a regular basis. A battery starts off weak, then it gains strength after a few charging cycles, finally over time it peaks and then begins to taper off as far as battery life goes.
You've likely not taken your device to 0% for a while. The android solution is to fully discharge and recharge your battery a few times to allow it to recalibrate. Slow charging is the best for recalibration. Plug it into a computer for 500mAh charging rather than using a charger. Chargers can charge quicker(1.5A) but do not allow the device to calibrate as well due to the high amperage.
So, just use your device and let it drain fully, and charge fully on a computer USB port and it should recalibrate itself.
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While it does help the calibration, it's very bad for your battery to do this deep discharge multiple times.

raptir said:
I've never let my battery get that low honestly, but...
Keep in mind that your battery percentage is completely an estimate. Battery capacity is measured in mAh, but there's no way to measure the current charge capacity in mAh of a battery. The only way to do so would be to run all of the power out of the battery and record the power over time, but then you'd have a dead battery. As a result, the system estimates your remaining battery capacity as a percentage based on the current voltage of the battery. But that can be different depending upon how quickly you've drained the battery and other factors.
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Sometimes you don't have a choice about letting battery drain get that far.
But regardless, its most definitely an issue with lollipop. Uncountable android devices, and this is the first time I've ever experienced this issue. Happens religiously at 5%. So its never happened before on any device I've used, including this moto x pure on KitKat, and it always happens at 5%.
If it were a true calibration issue, one would think it'd happen at different percentages. However I'm certain this is a bug.

qwerty12601 said:
Sometimes you don't have a choice about letting battery drain get that far.
But regardless, its most definitely an issue with lollipop. Uncountable android devices, and this is the first time I've ever experienced this issue. Happens religiously at 5%. So its never happened before on any device I've used, including this moto x pure on KitKat, and it always happens at 5%.
If it were a true calibration issue, one would think it'd happen at different percentages. However I'm certain this is a bug.
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I understand that you don't always have a choice, I just meant that I have no insight as to the possible bug since I've never experienced it. And to clarify, it's not really a "calibration" issue, it's a matter of there is no way to accurately measure the charge of the battery.
Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.

raptir said:
I understand that you don't always have a choice, I just meant that I have no insight as to the possible bug since I've never experienced it. And to clarify, it's not really a "calibration" issue, it's a matter of there is no way to accurately measure the charge of the battery.
Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.
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But android has been completely accurate in the past. Right down to 1 single percent.
And there's no way google implemented this as a safety feature. If they were legitimately trying to do this, they'd just have the battery monitor read less than actual capacity as to not confuse the operator.
As well as they have what they believed to be a big feature, "battery saver" which has the option to activate at 5%. So them killing your phone at 5% intentionally doesn't hold water.

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But android has been completely accurate in the past. Right down to 1 single percent.
And there's no way google implemented this as a safety feature. If they were legitimately trying to do this, they'd just have the battery monitor read less than actual capacity as to not confuse the operator.
As well as they have what they believed to be a big feature, "battery saver" which has the option to activate at 5%. So them killing your phone at 5% intentionally doesn't hold water.
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No it hasn't. It may not have shut down until after it read 1%, but it has not been accurate because there is no accurate way to measure the current charge of a battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_measure_state_of_charge
The fact that it consistently shuts down at 5% does seem like a bug, but it's a very odd bug since it seems like there would have to be some code to specifically tell the phone to shut down.

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No it hasn't. It may not have shut down until after it read 1%, but it has not been accurate because there is no accurate way to measure the current charge of a battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_measure_state_of_charge
The fact that it consistently shuts down at 5% does seem like a bug, but it's a very odd bug since it seems like there would have to be some code to specifically tell the phone to shut down.
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Every android device I've owned, probably 12, including the 3 still in service with me (moto x before lollipop, nexus 7, nexus 4) all have accurate battery meters right down to 1%. Now are they adjusting on the fly and lowering/raising battery percent to accurately match calculations? Probably. But it adjusts to where the battery meter will read down to the very last percent. No surprises.
The whole point of this thread us that some moto x pures are shutting down at 5%. Maybe the battery really is at 0%, maybe its at 5 or 10%, but its a "bug" that the phone is shutting off at 5%. Its rather a flaw in on the fly calculations where its not accurately adjusting at lower percentages, or a software flaw. But it's a bug either way. That's the complaint here.

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Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.
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That is was Microsoft did with their Surface tablets, you can change it, I have mine set to power off at 10%

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While it does help the calibration, it's very bad for your battery to do this deep discharge multiple times.
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Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.

InspectifierWrectifier said:
Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.
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Please don't just post "wrong" without anything to back it up.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Table 2 provides details as to why what I said is correct. A 50% discharge will not degrade to 70% capacity for 3-4x as many cycles as a 100% discharge. That amounts to up to double the useful life of the battery assuming your usage stays the same.

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Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.
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Have fun killing your battery very quickly by fully discharging all the time

raptir said:
Please don't just post "wrong" without anything to back it up.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Table 2 provides details as to why what I said is correct. A 50% discharge will not degrade to 70% capacity for 3-4x as many cycles as a 100% discharge. That amounts to up to double the useful life of the battery assuming your usage stays the same.
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Mobile device batteries are designed to be "fully" depleted. They are software controlled. You will never discharge a properly controlled battery 100%. This is why your device still has power to turn on and tell you that the battery is too low to turn on.
There are always exceptions to the rule. However, mainstream devices will almost always keep the battery at a safe level.
You cannot use a single chart on all lithium ion batteries. In fact, every one is different due to chemical and annode/cathode changes. This is why every battery has its own MDS for shipping purposes.
The small changes to batteries cause them to react differently to different usage patterns. When designing a battery these reaction patterns are supposed to be accounted for in the battery calibration.
A key engineering principal: a device should never be capable of destroying itself. Full discharge is normal operation for most devices.

Question Pixel 7 not charging all the way up

my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?

Power if off and charge.
If it still shows 50% charge return it.
Not acceptable, especially if the actual SOT reflects that.

Nytronx said:
my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?
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Did you try turning off adaptive charging?

hi
turn off the adaptive charging

I would return it immediately before you pass the window. I wanted to return mine for fingerprint reader issues, but I waited too long and now my only option is to swap it for a refurb device which is less than ideal.

Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.

gorilla p said:
Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.
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Bump that low to at least 20% especially if you fast charge. It's the higher current load/temperature at the first 20% that causes the stress. It's important the battery is at least 72F at charge start, preferably 82-90F to avoid Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell if it occurs.
I aim for 40-80% usage range. That said on this heavily used device I expect about a 1.5 year battery life. Replacing batteries is just part of routine maintenance, no big deal.
While I always fast charge however I do midrange power cycling, what Li's prefer; it's less stressful. I'll frequently do 20% amounts too. What's convenient for me at the time. Rarely go above 90% as it's rather pointless and disproportionally increases charging time vs usage time.

Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%

gorilla p said:
Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%
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If you resign yourself to changing out the battery when it's degraded (80% of its original capacity) it's not a big deal.
A battery failure is a big deal though; one I had came close to damaging the display on my N10+. That battery was degraded, lasted less then 1.5 years. I got lucky that time... not going to push my luck again especially over a cheap repair like a battery replacement.