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Question regarding Cyanogens latest v.s. stock rom

Hello again community,
I am runnin the latest cyanogen rom, at a constant 528mhz with compcache enabled, and no apps2sd. While holding my girlfriends g1 with the stock rom, comparing the two, I can't believe how much quicker hers is than mine. Whether it be switching pages on the home screen, viewing settings in any app and the phones as well, scrolling through contacts, whatever it be... her phone seems to much quicker than mine. She even has more pictures and feeds on her homescreen than mine. Why is this? I'm constantly clearing java memory with memoryforlemmings and closing all apps (except for homescreen) with taskmanager. Should I try clearning anything like dalvik? Or reinstall the rom, wipe it and start all over? Any suggestions would be really appreciated, I'm pretty frusterated..
Thanks in advanced,
Mike.
Edit: Also, I forgot the reason why I'm most frustrated, her browser is blazin. Almost up there with the cliq. Mine, not so much.

nopotential said:
Hello again community,
I am runnin the latest cyanogen rom, at a constant 528mhz with compcache enabled, and no apps2sd. .
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Get apps2sd, stop running at sonstant 528 thats silly do this instead.If you have setcpu or OC widget use these clocks:
Screen On:
Max-512 or 384(i use 384)
min-128
Screen Off:
Max-256
min- 128
Also try using a wesenger rom its faster than a standard cyanogen because of zipalign & ram-hack and other things..Try using no compache also, should notice a difference though.

Wow, after the rom install, what a difference on the home screen and browser. Maybe I'm just feelin it off the reboot, but if it stays like this.. ace I can't thank you enough. But I have one more question. I don't have that many apps, and I've never done apps2sd.. but will it really increase my phones speed? Thanks again!
Edit: And on cpu freq. I have a huge battery that I couldn't run out if I tried, so running at 528 doesn't hurt that. But its not gonna effect performance in a negetive way is it?

apps2sd will not increase your phone's speed. It will allow you to install more apps without running out of room. As many apps as your ext partition will hold--which, with even a 512Mb partition, is more than you could ever reasonably install, even if you always installed everything that looked even remotely fun or useful.
And no, setting your cpu to always max will not hurt performance. It helps performance. But the improvement is very minimal, at the cost of huge battery drain, and wear on your cpu. But, if you have a huge battery, go for it.

[Q] Full RAM after using a some apps... with a little analysis

After fixing some lags with I/O system by using filesystem LagFix I still have a Lag problem in my system and I think it's not related to Samsung.
I think this could be an Android problem.
After a fresh reboot I get 124MB of free RAM.
BUT... every day I need to reboot the phone because after 3 hours it became laggy.
Now I analysed this and read a bit about the memory management on several forums and was able to reproduce the lag 2minutes after reboot.
I just need to use much applications one after another to raise the RAM usage for every application.
When the free RAM reaches 40MB I think the system clears some pieces for using it for the app I now want to use and there is the LAG.
Is there any fix for Android not caching every activity of an application in the RAM?
Now for me Android feels like: Usage -> Full RAM -> Lag
Sorry for the new thread but after 2 hours of research I didn't find anything useful over search function.

Yea, every program should have as much ram available as their size. 2gig for program storage on sgs, so there should be the same amount of ram ;D Anyway, theres still less memory for programs on the sgs than for example in the N1. I'd say there is about 384MB of ram total on the sgs and not the 512 claimed.
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Not just the RAM for the apps... there's much more...all mails from internet, all google talk conversations, the wather I checked out from internet with any widget, feels like every interaction is cached into the RAM until it reaches the 40mb mark and after that every interaction on my system is laggy... for example: opening the notification bar needs 2-3 seconds.
I already talked to N1 users with the same problem

DasLeo said:
I already talked to N1 users with the same problem
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Heading out the door in a minute so can't comment on the rest, but I strongly disagree with that part of your statement.
As an N1 owner I've NEVER seen lag like I suffer on the SGS. Never seen the absolute FREEZE in the GUI like the SGS gets.
I'm running FroYo on the N1 now, so can't compare side-by-side to the SGS things like memory usage, but I don't think that's the issue here if you're going to use the N1 as a comparison, despite other users complaining of lag.
You might try Autokiller or the free memory manager app from the Market and see if that improves thing, they'll keep more or less memory free depending on settings. You could test how soon lag comes with default, minimal, and aggressive settings.

I never testet Froyo because everyone said, it's unstable but for me it seems like froyo has other RAM management than Eclair when you said you can't reproduce this problem.
I'm already using a task killer... I have my main apps ignored or excluded and most time there are 2 or 3 apps which will be killed after lock or time or what else.
What's the problem here... if I would use a PC with 512MB RAM and use only 10 small applications, it won't cache everything in the ram until it's full.

Hi, didn't read all the posts, but u should look into the RFS file system, which is samsung proprietery file system. It has a very bad implementation on android (i could be wrong). As for ram, the phone has 512 mb, but 128 are reserved for Gsm/data connection. Just think if you had an incoming call and all your ram was in use, u had to wait for the system to clear up some memory before being able to receive the call physiclly. That would be a long wait.
I could be wrong and sorry for the bad english.
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Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.

rkantos said:
. I'd say there is about 384MB of ram total on the sgs and not the 512 claimed.
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If this turns out to be true, samsung is up for a massive lawsuit from MANY angry customers who've been mislead due to false marketing

tra33372 said:
Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.
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DAMN!!! Nice app... it does exactly what I need cleans my RAM so I'll get 120MB and after that loading of apps is much faster than starting apps with Android included RAM cleaning.
It just cleans my RAM like a reboot but without the reboot
This should be a temporary solution until someone finds a better solution or until froyo is released.
I would like to have an application like this with an autoclean option on 2 hours

Guys please,
Getting off-topic here. Here is Android Development.
Not Q&A or General.
Please post in the right section.
Here is getting too many off-topics that pose no relation to Android Development.
Too cluttered.
Thanks

DasLeo said:
DAMN!!! Nice app... it does exactly what I need cleans my RAM so I'll get 120MB and after that loading of apps is much faster than starting apps with Android included RAM cleaning.
It just cleans my RAM like a reboot but without the reboot
This should be a temporary solution until someone finds a better solution or until froyo is released.
I would like to have an application like this with an autoclean option on 2 hours
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Auto killer is better.Its exactly the same as minfreemanager but can be made to apply at boot.Minfree manager resets itself at boot.

I use Memory Booster Lite (free version) app to free up memory, must do that manually but it works very well, if you buy the app it free up memory automaticly.

Pika007 said:
If this turns out to be true, samsung is up for a massive lawsuit from MANY angry customers who've been mislead due to false marketing
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The phone does have 512mb of ram. It just isn't used properly.
MOJO783010 said:
Hi, didn't read all the posts, but u should look into the RFS file system, which is samsung proprietery file system. It has a very bad implementation on android (i could be wrong). As for ram, the phone has 512 mb, but 128 are reserved for Gsm/data connection. Just think if you had an incoming call and all your ram was in use, u had to wait for the system to clear up some memory before being able to receive the call physiclly. That would be a long wait.
I could be wrong and sorry for the bad english.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
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No, wrong. The reserved ram is in the form of a ram disk, which seems to be a bit oversized. Not really sure why a ram disk is needed at all, personally.
sammy555 said:
Auto killer is better.Its exactly the same as minfreemanager but can be made to apply at boot.Minfree manager resets itself at boot.
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This is the correct solution. the JF* series of firmwares have very bad default settings for killing unused apps. Use this app to set them a bit better and you shouldn't have any problems.

Pika007 said:
If this turns out to be true, samsung is up for a massive lawsuit from MANY angry customers who've been mislead due to false marketing
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It does have 512 of ram, but some is partitioned off for the phone, so that you can always receive phone calls. Just about every device does this, because users would be more upset if they couldn't pick up the phone until they had closed a bundle of running programs. Don't you think that people here would have noticed earlier if the SGS physically had less ram than claimed ?
As far as the OP is concerned, sounds like you are just running too many programs at once. Its not an android problem, its user error.
Any task manager, but particularly an auto-killer will set you right, although alternatively you could try not leaving every app open when you're finished with it. You think your PC would run ok if you left one game open while you opened another ?

DasLeo said:
I never testet Froyo because everyone said, it's unstable but for me it seems like froyo has other RAM management than Eclair when you said you can't reproduce this problem.
I'm already using a task killer... I have my main apps ignored or excluded and most time there are 2 or 3 apps which will be killed after lock or time or what else.
What's the problem here... if I would use a PC with 512MB RAM and use only 10 small applications, it won't cache everything in the ram until it's full.
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I wasn't comparing a N1 on FroYo to the SGS on Eclair. My comments were in regard to when I was on Eclair, which was several months...FroYo's only been available for a couple of months. What I said was since I'm on FroYo now, I can't compare side-by-side, but my experience with an N1 on Eclair was never any lag problem or GUI freezes.
Anyways, I also suggested you try Autokiller, and you missed that or misunderstood it by saying you already run a Task Killer (which is generally considered a bad idea, but I see you picked up on Autokiller after someone else suggested it. Enjoy.
Pika007 said:
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Nah, all phones advertise the actual chip size in it, not the amount the system actually lets you use.

tra33372 said:
Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.
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Thank you. This removes almost all lag I'm experiencing.

[Q] ROM with much RAM free

Hello,
I'm looking for a good ICS ROM with much RAM memory free.
I know there are many good ones like RocketRom, but the RAM is priority for me, as I use a lot off apps and I don't want them to get killed every time I exit them.
The ROM may be stock based (best) or even some other type.
Do You know some You could recommend?
PS. They don't have to be fast as hell.
Admin please don't close this thread.

try bulletproofing them and freezing/removing unwanted apps.
Also try to set autostarts off for apps you only want to run on request as well as proper exiting them to prevent running ram.
granted its android that should optimize ram usage which is why amount of free ram shouldnt impact, but yet it does.
maybe you have set dont keep activities to on development settings if so, disable it. lol.
Other tweaking can be done with minfree and oom levels to lower values, stock however they are pretty low.
last random thing I can come up with is less memory footprint apps. Alternatives for ones you are using. Lol. Goodluck!
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baz77 said:
try bulletproofing them and freezing/removing unwanted apps.
Also try to set autostarts off for apps you only want to run on request as well as proper exiting them to prevent running ram.
granted its android that should optimize ram usage which is why amount of free ram shouldnt impact, but yet it does.
maybe you have set dont keep activities to on development settings if so, disable it. lol.
Other tweaking can be done with minfree and oom levels to lower values, stock however they are pretty low.
last random thing I can come up with is less memory footprint apps. Alternatives for ones you are using. Lol. Goodluck!
Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2
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I have used about 170 apps on my SGS2, now I've reduced them to about 120. I have also deleted some system apps, but the problem is android OS.
Killing apps is disabled for 100%, it's just due to 70MB memory free. The launcher is killing almost every time I turn on some other app (build.prop edit didn't stop it from closing).
Android just uses too much RAM. Fresh ROM uses 400+ MB, that's so much.
That's why I'm looking for some ROM that uses max.300MB. Are there any?
I wish I could have ROM from my xpiera x10, which used max 120MB hehe

jakuburban said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a good ICS ROM with much RAM memory free.
I know there are many good ones like RocketRom, but the RAM is priority for me, as I use a lot off apps and I don't want them to get killed every time I exit them.
The ROM may be stock based (best) or even some other type.
Do You know some You could recommend?
PS. They don't have to be fast as hell.
Admin please don't close this thread.
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These type of threads are not allowed....as the best is up to the individual to figure out, what is best for me, may not be best for you....

Memory management (keep maximum in ram)

All I would like to do is to keep apps maximum is possible in ram. My goal is for my daily use of most common apps like phone, whatsapp, google messenger, gmail, contacts, calendar etc. to keep them in ram so switching between them is smooth and fast without loading on anything. My memory is always more then 50% empty and little apps like calendar or contact are getting killed with no reason. That is really going on my nerves more and more.
I am on Pure Nexus CMTE rom and I have tried playing with Kernel Auditor low memory killer and virtual memory settings. What ever I do there my ram usage is always about 1 - 1.4 GB newer more then that. How I can force system to keep apps in ram until critical point? Like in my case with more then 50% of ram still available there should not be any apps removed from memory even if is app not active for some time. Can anyone please help me with this.

Possibly you see 1.5G free now, but it may have temporarily been a lot less free when the apps were killed (usage varies over time). See attached how high chrome can jump at its peak.
Just a thought..very half baked. I'm sure someone will give suggestions for what you want.

electricpete1 said:
Possibly you see 1.5G free now, but it may have temporarily been a lot less free when the apps were killed (usage varies over time). See attached how high chrome can jump at its peak.
Just a thought..very half baked. I'm sure someone will give suggestions for what you want.
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Yes, I know but Chrome memory usage is still nothing compare to free memory available. I did some reading and end up creating local.prop file in root/data and add some lines there. How much that will help I will find out in day or two. If anyone is interested to know what I did I can post it here after.

Just wanted to add that in Android N preview the low memory kill settings by default were very light (like lighter than kernel adiutor's "very light" preset) and it resulted in very stuttery performance. Setting them back to marshmallow stock settings made everything smoother. Looking forward to anything you may uncover on this though.

StykerB said:
Just wanted to add that in Android N preview the low memory kill settings by default were very light (like lighter than kernel adiutor's "very light" preset) and it resulted in very stuttery performance. Setting them back to marshmallow stock settings made everything smoother. Looking forward to anything you may uncover on this though.
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Okay this is what is confusing me the most. In Kernel Auditor "very light" preset means that apps will be removed soon is possible, very light means small amount of memory to be used. Am I correct? Aggressive on other hand will give more memory for apps, more apps in memory and less removing from it.
So if is that correct then is very understandable why "N" with less then "very light" preset made bad performance and soon you give it more memory to play everything is back to normal.
However I did test on that many times but in both cases my apps are getting removed from memory with more then 50% still available memory. That's why I need somehow to stop system from emptying memory until critical point. Maybe some build.prop lines can help but I am not really expert in that area.

Emilius said:
Okay this is what is confusing me the most. In Kernel Auditor "very light" preset means that apps will be removed soon is possible, very light means small amount of memory to be used. Am I correct? Aggressive on other hand will give more memory for apps, more apps in memory and less removing from it.
So if is that correct then is very understandable why "N" with less then "very light" preset made bad performance and soon you give it more memory to play everything is back to normal.
However I did test on that many times but in both cases my apps are getting removed from memory with more then 50% still available memory. That's why I need somehow to stop system from emptying memory until critical point. Maybe some build.prop lines can help but I am not really expert in that area.
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What is the solution for Pixel 2 rom of LG Nexus 5X? os ur build prop gonna help for me? if yes plz replay.

MHS3511 said:
What is the solution for Pixel 2 rom of LG Nexus 5X? os ur build prop gonna help for me? if yes plz replay.
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No idea man, I don't have LG Nexus 5 anymore. Today roms have that battery optimizations build in. Go there and make the app you like to be in memory "not optimized" and in Kernel auditor or any other app flashing memory to "very light". That should help. Good lack

RAM always at 70% on MI5

Hello fellow MI5 users,
I received my phone one week ago and I start having some issues with the RAM. In fact, at the start of the phone, it's already at 70% filled up which is too much for me. Indeed I use a lot of RAM and I'm that type of guy who let the apps running in background everytime because I keep opening them everytime. I was wondering if it was possible to have a link to a better ROM because I guess it's the problem and also a link for a tutorial on how to flash it I'm a newbie in this type of manipulation but I'm very interested so I hope you will help me guys. By the way, my MIUI version is the MIUI 8 Global 6.8.18. I honestly don't know what can i give as information but I'll answer ASAP at any questions
Have a good day

This is working as design - Android keeps apps in RAM to reduce I/O on resuming from background - faster & more energy efficient.
You can change the number of background processes via the development settings or you can kill apps on closing.

adwinp said:
This is working as design - Android keeps apps in RAM to reduce I/O on resuming from background - faster & more energy efficient.
You can change the number of background processes via the development settings or you can kill apps on closing.
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I've seen that indeed but it was set at standard so I'll probably put it at 3 I guess. How should I set the memory optimization? I've read it should be set off, altough I tried middle and I feel comfortable like that?
Is it normal to start at 70% without anything started ?

Unitae said:
I've seen that indeed but it was set at standard so I'll probably put it at 3 I guess. How should I set the memory optimization? I've read it should be set off, altough I tried middle and I feel comfortable like that?
Is it normal to start at 70% without anything started ?
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For the 3GB version? Pretty much. MIUI is horrible.
After booting I typically had 1.3GB / 3.0GB free but after a while this averaged to around 650MB free.

free ram is useless ram , which cant accelerate anything

ps2lover said:
free ram is useless ram , which cant accelerate anything
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I know that but I need more because I use multi-task a lot. Is there a way to change the ROM so I have more space to work with? Even if the ROM itself is beautiful.
Indeed it's the 3gb version 32gb. It have lags sometimes and I think it's due to the full RAM. Can I have a link to a custom ROM which works fine on this device?

I'm a little confused, you want as much RAM available but you want as many processes in the background as well? That sounds contradicting to me. Memory optimization maps to ZRAM, if you set it off there will be no memory compression and thus even less processes will be kept in the background. If you set it high, you can have as many processes as possible, but there could be lag due to (de)compression time overhead.

Try different Rom
Try to use a different Rom. On the Stock Rom is a lot of bloatware which is using your RAM too.
First you need to get an Bootloader unlock permission and have to unlock the BL.
It could take up to 10 Days to get the permission from Xiaomi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/how-to/unlocking-xiaomi-mi-5-bootloader-t3336243
After that you have to flash a recovery like trwp via ADB. Google it for videos or threads how to do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/development/recovery-twrp-xiaomi-mi-5-t3412123
After that you can flash a developer Rom.
I use the Resurrection Remix and it works fine. The CM 13 stucks in Bootloop. Maybe because I made a full wipe and had to sideload my rom.
Because you don't have a SD card option you have to have the room installed on your hard drive. But just follow the description below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/development/unofficial-resurrection-remix-m-5-6-9-t3395945
It took me just 1 day to get the unlock permit but don't try do do it without it. You brick your phone.
The RR Rom works really fine. Fingerprint and everything. It has no bloatware and you have to get the gaps like in the description. Arm64 nano seems enough.
Good luck and fun with a great phone.
Normally the android system kills the unused apps even in background. But i also experienced lack in multitasking.

leledumbo said:
I'm a little confused, you want as much RAM available but you want as many processes in the background as well? That sounds contradicting to me. Memory optimization maps to ZRAM, if you set it off there will be no memory compression and thus even less processes will be kept in the background. If you set it high, you can have as many processes as possible, but there could be lag due to (de)compression time overhead.
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I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible apps in the background.

lapocompris said:
I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible app in the background.
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Yup exactly

Try trwp 3.0.2.0 with 3.0.2.1 people experience bootloop

Omied said:
Try trwp 3.0.2.0 with 3.0.2.1 people experience bootloop
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In fact, I'm just doing some research before asking because I'm very new. I have found some videos but they are pretty old and not on this phone but I guess it works more or less the same way

lapocompris said:
I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible apps in the background.
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OK, in that case, just open Security->Permissions->Autostart and disable those which aren't immediately needed upon start. I have 18 autostart items (mostly system monitoring & social media apps) and I usually start with 1.5 GB free RAM.