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I install Android builds on my X1 just to open some low end apps and games.
Is there any way to just run apps on the x1 native ROM (WinMO)? I just want to play android games like zenonia 2, 3, illusia, and other low end games like irunner, moonchase, gamedev story and similar games.
It'd be like an emulator or something, (Crossfingers X)
It would be great, right? because then, developers won't have to do the whole android thing, just one smokin' hot android app emulator..
Your thoughts are interesting, but I think about normal emulators on pc etc.
So I think, emulators won't run the apps/games better than in Android.
The emulator will also have these/similar kernel android used.
PS. I hope you understand what I mean, it's a bit confusing^^
yeah i know
But then, just thinking..
It might be possible as there is YouWave for PC.. But I'm talking pure apps here, just apps no Android UI or anything else.
Of course X1 can't beat the high-end Android phone due to lack of gpu and low CPU power. You're prolly right, Android apps can't be expected to run better on X1. Android apps are for Android phone, but I was just thinkin. ... MAYBE...
X1 is an OK phone
X1 can play lowend games at a decent speed. But where are the games!? The developers abandoned Window Mobile and trust me, i've tried tons of android games on x1 and they work perfectly.
Again, HD apps is a different story. I'm talkin bout low end.
thanks for this
working for me fine. except if you have to press two button once. that wont work. like in a mtb trail game, where you need to accelerate and lean backwards...
Whats your BIG Chromecast idea? More potential than a "traditional" A/V streamer?
So I've seen many people, developers and users alike, swarming the ideas of the expected basic usages of this wonderful device.
Examples: Out-of-Box expected usage (streaming from qualified providers), mirrored A/V from PC/Phone/Tablet, other connectivity proof of concepts (IE: emulators), ect…
So my question is: What's your big idea to extend the usage of this device beyond "traditional" implementation?
I’ll start by sharing mine (actually 2 product idea’s, that could become 1 at some point in time).
1. All-in-one media station. Taking the concept of a HTPC/XBMC build, and extending it to have the Chromcast as the “presenter”, and the PC/Phone/Tablet as the “remote”. The software package would include a “media server” run on a compatible PC on the same network, accompanied by the “remote” app on the Phone/Tablet (web-based control for PC remote).
I intend to also include the ability to queue/control presentation files such as PPT, PDF, ect… I’d like to have the package useful to both home and business clients/users.
One of my favorite parts of this idea resides in the remote app. Upon selection of the media you intend to cast, use a 2-finger up gesture to begin casting (makes me think of the scene in IronMan2 when he takes over the monitors in the courtroom by using a similar gesture on his “phone”, lol) It’s the little things that get me excited haha.
2. A home automation/security media point. On demand or automated view of automation/security enabled objects in your environment. Example: You have a security system with camera’s in your home, specifically, one is mounted at your front door. Someone appears at your door (motion-trigger), and/or rings the doorbell (another available trigger). HDMI-CEC enabled TV’s would switch the input to the Chromcast and display the camera at your front door.
My brain begins to hurt as all the possibilities for automation and security integration pile up. But hopefully, you get the point.
I’d love to hear from some of the other inventive people on this forum, and interested in the Chromcast. Again, what’s your idea?
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The one thing I'd love to see the chromecast do is be able to connect directly to my phone and use it's 4g for streaming. I would figure something like this should be possible since it's basically what it does during initial setup.
Due to the layout of where I work (big concrete building), I get great signal with my phone in the window, but no signal anywhere else. i'd love to be able to plug the chromecast into the tv during breaks and stream from the phone.
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The one thing I'd love to see the chromecast do is be able to connect directly to my phone and use it's 4g for streaming. I would figure something like this should be possible since it's basically what it does during initial setup.
Due to the layout of where I work (big concrete building), I get great signal with my phone in the window, but no signal anywhere else. i'd love to be able to plug the chromecast into the tv during breaks and stream from the phone.
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No during initial setup the chromecast generates its own wifi hostpost. Ofcourse this hotspot has no internet access and so would be useless for anything but setting up.
But why not make a hotspot with your phone? That would do the same thing.
I just want miracast support
Chromecast ideas
Chromecast supports multiple connections so could do things like a card game where player cards need to be private. The screen shows the playing field and each player sees just their cards on phone/tablet/computer. Is a simple example but there may be other uses to have multiple game play or interaction to same screen.
Chromecast and DIAL protocol are free to license so could be put into any consumer electronics device - SmartTV, refrigerators, home thermostat, etc.
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Chromecast supports multiple connections so could do things like a card game where player cards need to be private. The screen shows the playing field and each player sees just their cards on phone/tablet/computer. Is a simple example but there may be other uses to have multiple game play or interaction to same screen.
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That is quite an awesome idea! Granted, I see it as a similar setup that the WiiU has tried to do with some of their games. And MS also with the "second screen" for xbox and such.
But why shouln't google get in on this tech as well? I'm very interested to start investigating this idea myself. Mind if I borrow your idea xenokc? lol
Unholyfire said:
That is quite an awesome idea! Granted, I see it as a similar setup that the WiiU has tried to do with some of their games. And MS also with the "second screen" for xbox and such.
But why shouln't google get in on this tech as well? I'm very interested to start investigating this idea myself. Mind if I borrow your idea xenokc? lol
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Go for it!
Unholyfire said:
So I've seen many people, developers and users alike, swarming the ideas of the expected basic usages of this wonderful device.
Examples: Out-of-Box expected usage (streaming from qualified providers), mirrored A/V from PC/Phone/Tablet, other connectivity proof of concepts (IE: emulators), ect…
So my question is: What's your big idea to extend the usage of this device beyond "traditional" implementation?
I’ll start by sharing mine (actually 2 product idea’s, that could become 1 at some point in time).
1. All-in-one media station. Taking the concept of a HTPC/XBMC build, and extending it to have the Chromcast as the “presenter”, and the PC/Phone/Tablet as the “remote”. The software package would include a “media server” run on a compatible PC on the same network, accompanied by the “remote” app on the Phone/Tablet (web-based control for PC remote).
I intend to also include the ability to queue/control presentation files such as PPT, PDF, ect… I’d like to have the package useful to both home and business clients/users.
One of my favorite parts of this idea resides in the remote app. Upon selection of the media you intend to cast, use a 2-finger up gesture to begin casting (makes me think of the scene in IronMan2 when he takes over the monitors in the courtroom by using a similar gesture on his “phone”, lol) It’s the little things that get me excited haha.
2. A home automation/security media point. On demand or automated view of automation/security enabled objects in your environment. Example: You have a security system with camera’s in your home, specifically, one is mounted at your front door. Someone appears at your door (motion-trigger), and/or rings the doorbell (another available trigger). HDMI-CEC enabled TV’s would switch the input to the Chromcast and display the camera at your front door.
My brain begins to hurt as all the possibilities for automation and security integration pile up. But hopefully, you get the point.
I’d love to hear from some of the other inventive people on this forum, and interested in the Chromcast. Again, what’s your idea?
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#1 will be done when Plex enables Chromecast functionality.
Hello i'm kind of new to this so please don't be to harsh .
To run Android TV, android 5.0 would need to be ported first thus me titling this "Is it Possible to Android 5.0 / Android TV on Raspberry Pi 2?" However my main subject / me making this post is to see if Android TV on Pi 2 is feasible.
I was thinking would be possible to run Android TV on the new Raspberry Pi? I ask this because the specs of the new Pi 2 are quite impressive and I can totally see this becoming popular as I can imagine a lot of people would go out and buy a Pi just to run android tv on it (me being one of them) . This would be great as not only would it provide a large install base for Android TV (which in turn up the developer support) it would make it so almost anyone can have a cheap chrome cast type of device with a functional GUI. I don't know if this is possible but doing some research I can't see any reason why it would't work and it would make for such a cool and inexpensive android tv box! :good:
Possible short comings would be:
Lag due to low clock speed
Lack of a remote (possible use of a bluetooth controller or a smart phone app to control the box using wifi)
Poor Gaming capabilities?
Probably a few more.
Thomas_Bam said:
Hello i'm kind of new to this so please don't be to harsh .
To run Android TV, android 5.0 would need to be ported first thus me titling this "Is it Possible to Android 5.0 / Android TV on Raspberry Pi 2?" However my main subject / me making this post is to see if Android TV on Pi 2 is feasible.
I was thinking would be possible to run Android TV on the new Raspberry Pi? I ask this because the specs of the new Pi 2 are quite impressive and I can totally see this becoming popular as I can imagine a lot of people would go out and buy a Pi just to run android tv on it (me being one of them) . This would be great as not only would it provide a large install base for Android TV (which in turn up the developer support) it would make it so almost anyone can have a cheap chrome cast type of device with a functional GUI. I don't know if this is possible but doing some research I can't see any reason why it would't work and it would make for such a cool and inexpensive android tv box! :good:
Possible short comings would be:
Lag due to low clock speed
Lack of a remote (possible use of a bluetooth controller or a smart phone app to control the box using wifi)
Poor Gaming capabilities?
Probably a few more.
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My research indicates this would be difficult, however, if a Chromecast type Media Center is what you're looking fo, I have good news. There are 2 OS downloads that are essentially XBMC ports for Pi 2.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
I bought a Pi 2 today and am waiting for them to provide a delivery date. I intend to use it with one of these XBMC OS'S.
Thomas_Bam said:
Hello i'm kind of new to this so please don't be to harsh .
To run Android TV, android 5.0 would need to be ported first thus me titling this "Is it Possible to Android 5.0 / Android TV on Raspberry Pi 2?" However my main subject / me making this post is to see if Android TV on Pi 2 is feasible.
I was thinking would be possible to run Android TV on the new Raspberry Pi? I ask this because the specs of the new Pi 2 are quite impressive and I can totally see this becoming popular as I can imagine a lot of people would go out and buy a Pi just to run android tv on it (me being one of them) . This would be great as not only would it provide a large install base for Android TV (which in turn up the developer support) it would make it so almost anyone can have a cheap chrome cast type of device with a functional GUI. I don't know if this is possible but doing some research I can't see any reason why it would't work and it would make for such a cool and inexpensive android tv box! :good:
Possible short comings would be:
Lag due to low clock speed
Lack of a remote (possible use of a bluetooth controller or a smart phone app to control the box using wifi)
Poor Gaming capabilities?
Probably a few more.
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Probably the same conclusion as this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/hardware-hacking/raspberry-pi/rd-android-4-4-4-t2816952
XBMC for RPi already supports CEC through the HDMI... So most of your remote problems are solved there. A wireless Bluetooth keyboard/touchpad also solves the problem.
Yes, I can confirm that, I'm using osmc(aka raspbmc) for more that one and a half years and the performance is a quite good, even if I have allot of other things running on my pi...
CEC is supported, but be careful if you own a LG webos tv you should not us this, cause will slow down your tv and make it unresponsive, as far as I know only webos TVs are afected(2014 models).
But anyhow if raspbmc has a good performance on the old rpi B, I think should perform way faster on the new pi2.
I'm planning also to upgrade my pi..
From what is being reported on the Kodi forums, the Pi2 does very well with it. There is already a branch of OpenElec for it, and I think also one for RaspBMC/OSMC with a lot of the add-ons under recompilation during this week to give full support. But it's certainly getting full support from the dev community there, which is great.
But as noted even the Pi1 does very well anyway with Kodi, my overclocked B+ with OpenElec 5.0.1 works fine with it and no issues at all that I encounter day to day. Nice and smooth, and fully supports CEC from my (dumb) LG HDTV. And if you prefer, there's decent remote control for Android/iOS (Yatse) and web-based remote built into Kodi itself.
I'd certainly recommend it as an excellent alternative to AndroidTV.
The Android porting issue is the lack of graphics chip support
I'm wanting to see this as well, namely because Android TV also offers direct support for Netflix, Hulu, Plex, and others. While you can potentially get these with an xbmc based build, it will not work well with remotes.
Rakeesh_j said:
I'm wanting to see this as well, namely because Android TV also offers direct support for Netflix, Hulu, Plex, and others. While you can potentially get these with an xbmc based build, it will not work well with remotes.
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The Pi supports CEC, so if you've got a suitable TV and the two are connected by HDMI then you're fine to go. I run my OpenElec set-up on my Pi1 using the remote of my LG dumb TV, and it's a doddle. It does have a wireless keyboard and mouse connected to it for it's other life as a Raspbian programming box for the kids (Scratch/Minecraft/Python) but I don't recall the last time I took up either when it was running in its OpenElec identity...
There is certainly an implementation of Plex for OpenElec. Not sure about the others, as I don't use any of them.
DarrenHill said:
The Pi supports CEC, so if you've got a suitable TV and the two are connected by HDMI then you're fine to go. I run my OpenElec set-up on my Pi1 using the remote of my LG dumb TV, and it's a doddle. It does have a wireless keyboard and mouse connected to it for it's other life as a Raspbian programming box for the kids (Scratch/Minecraft/Python) but I don't recall the last time I took up either when it was running in its OpenElec identity...
There is certainly an implementation of Plex for OpenElec. Not sure about the others, as I don't use any of them.
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That isn't the problem. The remote itself works ok, and the device can see the events. The problem is the individual applications require different key bindings. I've done all of that crap where you configure different profiles and whatnot to bind different remote presses depending on the app, but it breaks all the time and maintaining it sucks balls.
Not doing that again. It's better just to have one cohesive interface that each app responds to identically. Android TV provides exactly that.
Two years ago, tried a hand at Android 2.3 on the Raspberry Pi after seeing an article on Cnet.
:silly:
Utterly terrible failure. They have then proceeded to pulled the article down.
YES, it's possible, GUI at 10-15fps with SW rendering. Slow but useable.
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I don't understand. Broadcom has released the sourcecode for the gpu including register-level documentation.
http://blog.broadcom.com/chip-desig...ves-developers-keys-to-the-videocore-kingdom/
The downloads are at the bottom of the http://www.broadcom.com/support/ page.
ddfault said:
I don't understand. Broadcom has released the sourcecode for the gpu including register-level documentation.
http://blog.broadcom.com/chip-desig...ves-developers-keys-to-the-videocore-kingdom/
The downloads are at the bottom of the http://www.broadcom.com/support/ page.
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Actually, the problem is not that(the stack was adapted to GNU/Linux, see github.com/simonjhall/challenge but with memcpys), it is just that it depends on a Linux 3.0 kernel driver for full functionnality(HW layers). That driver is still not ported to modern kernels(the official RPi kernel is 3.19!)
It is fully doable. On IRC with the primary developer of Replicant, he said that porting Mesa/VC4 with adding Android support would take a few time with mostly buildsystem changes .(he ported llvmpipe)
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I would like to use Android version 4.2.2 Jellybean! on my RP2+, Please understand i don't really quite understand everything you guys are saying, I just would like a straight answer, can it be done? My pi is version 2+ 512MB ram not the four core version.
THANKS!
Clancey A
tyrian869 said:
I would like to use Android version 4.2.2 Jellybean! on my RP2+, Please understand i don't really quite understand everything you guys are saying, I just would like a straight answer, can it be done? My pi is version 2+ 512MB ram not the four core version.
THANKS!
Clancey A
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No. Check back in 6 months, maybe someone will have Lollipop running on it by then!
Android TV on Raspberry Pi 2... That's a dream...
Well, I have a question...
Got the Raspberry Pi 2 with 512MB of ram, and I've tested the beta Android found here, and it's usable (just usable, it has lag, and many things can be done to it to became perfect). Why doesn't anyone try to port that Android on Raspberry Pi 2? Now we have a 900Mhz Quad Core CPU and double the ram...
Could you please provide mode details?
What' the issue with the Wi-Fi?
How is the general performance of the Lollipop?
Do you have Play Store installed?
khrystyan27 said:
Could you please provide mode details?
What' the issue with the Wi-Fi?
How is the general performance of the Lollipop?
Do you have Play Store installed?
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"not worth much without hardware acceleration", i would say its totally useless.
Can I buy a cheapo ($49 or less) Android 7" tablet to use as a remote for my Chromecast?
It will be a slow low-res tablet, but if it is KitKat 4.4 or higher will it do the job?
Remote control You mean? Installing apps to send to chromecast? It depend of the cores of the tablet and the tablet ram
As long as the Chromecast SDK continues to support the Android version mostly yes.
You'll be able to tell the chromecast to launch youtube, netflix, etc. You won't be able most likely to stream videos from the tablet to the Chromecast.
This all depends on the software you're using continuing to work with your version of Android however. Most applications all they do is tell the Chromecast what method to play a video and request status updates for where they are in the video. If Netflix, for example, decides that KitKat has a severe vulnerability in it and they are risking breaking their movie streaming contracts, they may bump up the minimum required Android version which would mean it would no longer be useful as a remote for you.
If Google stops supporting the older OSes for Chromecast, it would no longer be useful for you.
Right now, yes, it'll most likely work for you. Two years down the line, who knows.
Hello everybody.
For some time now I have the new Chromecast with Google TV and I would like to share my feelings on certain aspects that disappointed me and which scare me for the future of Android TV.
Android TV has always been a more closed system than Android but I have the impression with this new device that it is even more the case and that Google is trying to lock its system even more.
On the new device, if you want to install applications that are not on the play store, you must activate the options for developers, then start again several times to install these applications (it does not necessarily work the first time ).
I also noticed that a lot of Android apps didn't do image rotation or stretching and displayed vertically like a smartphone but with parts of the image cut off. Some Android apps are therefore not even usable now on the new Chromecast. I searched this new Chromecast for a setting that would help me display its Android apps properly but couldn't find anything.
Is there a setting to properly display its applications there? Are these only corrections that will be made in the next updates or is it, as I think, a desire by Google to limit Android TV more and more to Android TV applications?
Thank you for your many responses.
The orientation issue may have something to do with how the Android TV device is identifying itself. That could get fixed in a new release. Haven't dug in enough to know that yet. I haven't had any trouble installing stuff via side loading.
As for being locked down, Android TV certified devices are way more locked down than AOSP or even phones. I wish they'd put the Android TV portions (or even just the casting stack) into AOSP, but that ship has long sailed.
Averix said:
The orientation issue may have something to do with how the Android TV device is identifying itself. That could get fixed in a new release. Haven't dug in enough to know that yet. I haven't had any trouble installing stuff via side loading.
As for being locked down, Android TV certified devices are way more locked down than AOSP or even phones. I wish they'd put the Android TV portions (or even just the casting stack) into AOSP, but that ship has long sailed.
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ok so you had no problem with Android applications. I may have had no luck with apps that started badly. Perhaps it is not Google's desire to prevent or complicate the use of applications that are not from the Android TV Play Store.
We will see if other users have this problem.
I too would have loved to have the cast on Android box.
Do you know of an application that allows you to rotate the image like you can find in the Ugoos box system?
From what I can tell, it is just as open** as my Nvidia Shield. Installing sideloaded apps is just as simple. Apps that do not have manual rotation options can be tricky, or those coded to be used in portrait mode only. Other than that, sideloading works identically. PS, you still need something like Sideload Launcher to launch these sideloaded apps.
Android TV/Google TV has always been very limited when it comes to customizability. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Google assumed, and rightly so that, most consumers just want to plug it in and watch stuff, not mess around with it. Do I agree with that? No, I love making devices do things they weren't designed to, but even I have no reason or motivation to root these devices.
** = Equally as locked down.
Have you tried using a sceen rotation app? I use to use a modded spectrum tv app on fire tv and to fix rotation issue you had to use a screen rotation app.
jkbee26 said:
Android TV has always been a more closed system than Android but I have the impression with this new device that it is even more the case and that Google is trying to lock its system even more.
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I feel your pain.
That's Google 2020 for you, get ready for Google 2021 and 2022
I am thinking of replacing a fire tv stick 4k with the new Chromecast, hoping to gain bitstreaming audio from 3d party apps. It won't work for me on the amazon device.
I want to continue using wolf launcher and some sideloaded apps, which are not all available on the play store.
How much of free storage is available on the Cromecast?
Hey folks
I bought a Chromecast with Google TV and I am experiencing this same issue. I am trying to use an app which I know it wasn't developed for this device, but I know it works because have it installed on an Android TV. The difference is that on Google TV it opens as portrait and sits in the middle of the screen, where in the Android TV it expands and takes the whole screen. Same thing happens, for example, with Instagram. I've tried a dozen of apps that supposedly force the orientation, but it never worked.
Is there anything that can be done or am I am chasing ghosts?
(p.s. is it worth to post this as a new thread?)