Liking this phone and also the One Mini
I might end up buying the One Mini
However 1 concern, replacing battery in these phones are impossible.
Ok then no problem will it last me 5 years so I can sell it on 4th year?
I am not a rich person and i work for $3 USD an hour for American Airlines where I live. A HTC One Mini should cost me about $600 USD so its a lot of money and I intend to keep it a very long time and when I am ready to sell it, it needs to still have a good battery so I can get back some money.
What kind of battery does it use and whats the recharge cycle?
Can I get 5 years out of it?
john5220 said:
Liking this phone and also the One Mini
I might end up buying the One Mini
However 1 concern, replacing battery in these phones are impossible.
Ok then no problem will it last me 5 years so I can sell it on 4th year?
I am not a rich person and i work for $3 USD an hour for American Airlines where I live. A HTC One Mini should cost me about $600 USD so its a lot of money and I intend to keep it a very long time and when I am ready to sell it, it needs to still have a good battery so I can get back some money.
What kind of battery does it use and whats the recharge cycle?
Can I get 5 years out of it?
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2 years is around about when battery capacity starts dropping noticeably. If you root and under clock, 5 years from now you'll get usable battery life.
I know its not my business, but do you want to spend 600 plus monthly plus any repairs or RMA shipping? Just think it over.
This phone uses a 2300 mah standard carbon anode lithium ion battery, which prefers to be topped off frequently, but not over 80%. When storing for REALLY long amounts of time, be sure to turn fast boot off and drain the battery to 40%.
About selling it: electronics lose their values extremely quickly so I would not expect more than 1/5 of the original price to be recovered after 4 years. That $120 I believe.
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thanks for letting me know. You are right in 5 years I would probably get $100 USD if I am lucky. And even then its gonna be a used phone you might get new for that price.
This is a lot, I have a S3 Mini right now but wanted to get something faster the nova thor chipset is really bad in the S3 mini. However I flashed it with custom ROM and works much much faster and smoother now.
The S4 mini or S3 sounds like a great buy where I live its $500 USD for S4 mini and $480 USD for S3 these prices include vat and import duty for some reason its cheaper to buy locally from a store than from Amazon and ship it here. Costs a lot of money to clear customs.
I know the Xperia SP would cost less than a S3 and is a incredible phone at the same time.
I suppose I will look into the Xperia SP from Amazon as its within the sub $480 Price range when it lands and clears.
And while the SP battery is non removable its very easy to do so with a screw driver so I won't have any problems in 3 years time running at full clock speed.
Shipping back a expensive HTC phone for repairs is out of the question.Customs sometimes charge another massive tax when it enters the country even if its been sent for repairs. And its useless fighting your case as it takes too long so anything I buy I fix myself.
I usually look at youtube videos and do it myself.
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thanks for letting me know. You are right in 5 years I would probably get $100 USD if I am lucky. And even then its gonna be a used phone you might get new for that price.
This is a lot, I have a S3 Mini right now but wanted to get something faster the nova thor chipset is really bad in the S3 mini. However I flashed it with custom ROM and works much much faster and smoother now.
The S4 mini or S3 sounds like a great buy where I live its $500 USD for S4 mini and $480 USD for S3 these prices include vat and import duty for some reason its cheaper to buy locally from a store than from Amazon and ship it here. Costs a lot of money to clear customs.
I know the Xperia SP would cost less than a S3 and is a incredible phone at the same time.
I suppose I will look into the Xperia SP from Amazon as its within the sub $480 Price range when it lands and clears.
And while the SP battery is non removable its very easy to do so with a screw driver so I won't have any problems in 3 years time running at full clock speed.
Shipping back a expensive HTC phone for repairs is out of the question.Customs sometimes charge another massive tax when it enters the country even if its been sent for repairs. And its useless fighting your case as it takes too long so anything I buy I fix myself.
I usually look at youtube videos and do it myself.
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Forget the One then. It is impossible to open cleanly. It is riddled with defects like gaps and recessed power buttons and deep gashes and camera tint and all sorts of stuff. It breaks incredibly easily, too. If you drop it at the right angle, it only takes a couple inches. The S4 mini should be different.
Yeah I am also checking out the Xperia ZR
Its battery is removable and has same specs as the Xperia Z and is cheaper. And is water proof etc
720p res don't bother me because its screen size is 4.6 inch and its over 300ppi which is beyond the limit of the human eye anyways. So I might consider that if the price is right.
If not the SP is well within my budget and battery is easy to access but needs a little technical skill to remove but thats ok. Better than HTC One where screen and mainboard has to come out with a frecking heat gun just to access the battery.
Phones now are evolved to the point where it does everything we need it to do at incredible speed. Heck my crappy ancient Athlon X2 still servers me well to this day browsing web and playing games etc.
Hence my reason for wanting removable battery. Soon we won't be changing phones very soon at all.
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Forget the One then. It is impossible to open cleanly. It is riddled with defects like gaps and recessed power buttons and deep gashes and camera tint and all sorts of stuff. It breaks incredibly easily, too. If you drop it at the right angle, it only takes a couple inches. The S4 mini should be different.
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I agree that the OP should look for another phone, but I think you're exaggerating the issues. I did tech support at VZW for four years. Trust me, ALL phone manufacturers have issues. Every one. Have a model that sells 5 million units with a failure rate of 3%, that's 150,000 unhappy owners.
If you drop any phone at the right angle it's going to break. On the other hand, CNET did a torture test where they tossed a One out of the window of a moving RV twice onto the pavement and the screen was still intact.
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I agree that the OP should look for another phone, but I think you're exaggerating the issues. I did tech support at VZW for four years. Trust me, ALL phone manufacturers have issues. Every one. Have a model that sells 5 million units with a failure rate of 3%, that's 150,000 unhappy owners.
If you drop any phone at the right angle it's going to break. On the other hand, CNET did a torture test where they tossed a One out of the window of a moving RV twice onto the pavement and the screen was still intact.
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If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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I have had my H1 for over 10 weeks and i have only charged it to 100% three times, i normally only charge to 80%and do not discharge it below 30%, hopefully my battery will last 5 years following this process.
I use an app called BatteryBot to sound an alarm at 80% and 30%
John.
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If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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Never base "general" statistics on forum threads. Most of the people on forums will have problems because most people who have problems go on forums to complain/find solutions. People who have no problems don't go on forums to say "my phone rocks" and those that do are flayed for it. So the people with problems are "infinitely better represented". A case of "the vocal minority".
In conclusion: even if 50% of people on forum have problems, it doesn't mean that the total number of problems so anywhere near that. It could just as well be around 3%.(not saying that it definitely is; might be a lot higher)
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If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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XDA forum threads do not make a good population sample. People who have problems are more vocal than people who do not. If you really think 50% of all of the Ones delivered to stores are defective...
The CNET phone was thrown from a moving vehicle at least 8 feet off the pavement, twice. It also bounced several times. I would hardly expect any unprotected phone to do better under the circumstances. You can also find other torture and drop tests where the One performed as well as could be expected or better.
The digitizer on the S4 extends right to the edge of the phone on all sides, so I doubt the bezel provides much protection unless the phone lands on its back. You'll also find a lot of complaints about fragility and spontaneous screen cracks in the S4 as well.
I'm not saying the One is a perfect phone. I'm just saying you don't get an accurate view of the failure rate from forums.
EDIT: I just wanted to make it clear the 3% number was simply an example. I don't know the One's real sales numbers or failure rate. I very much doubt the failure rate is anywhere close to 50% though.
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I'm not saying the One is a perfect phone. I'm just saying you don't get an accurate view of the failure rate from forums.
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I have to agree - most people don't bother to post on forums like these when they don't have a fault! When they do, the Google, find a thread, register, and then post to it, making some issues look more widespread than they actually are. You can go to *any* forum here for popular devices and find a very similar pattern, and the better a device sells, the more prevalent it will seem.
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It's a Li-Po battery so I think at least 2 years should be definitely possible I personally think we can get more than 3 years out of it because my HTC Desire (Li-Ion) lasted for 3 years, then I had to buy a new battery. I charged it whenever I want and how long I want
I don't pay attention on the charging cycles and several tipps, such as not charging beyond 80%. It's a phone and I simply hope that they construct it for lasting longer
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It's a Li-Po battery so I think at least 2 years should be definitely possible I personally think we can get more than 3 years out of it because my HTC Desire (Li-Ion) lasted for 3 years, then I had to buy a new battery. I charged it whenever I want and how long I want
I don't pay attention on the charging cycles and several tipps, such as not charging beyond 80%. It's a phone and I simply hope that they construct it for lasting longer
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Good to know it will only last 3 years so I won't be buying it.
I will look into the Xperia ZR which has removable battery or the S4 Mini etc. Even the Xperia SP looks really nice also.
Where I live these things are very expensive and I am not about to throw away a perfectly working phone in the space of 3 years time. An Xperia ZR can last me for the next 10 years because I will mostly be using it for web browsing and netflix mostly. And yeah casual gaming.
Phones now aren't like 10 years ago or even 4 years ago. Look at my ancient Athlon X2 CPU its really ancient and still I can play new games being released for PC on High Settings combined with my ancient Radeon HD 4870 card. So even modern computers can now last a very long time its not evolving the rate it used to. Same with phones they have now reached an acceptable level of power where you can keep them for a very long time to come
And if anything websites are getting more efficient with HTML 5 etc to use less processing power and to work faster. And I love to run my casual games to kill time also when I am in work doing nothing and waiting for a flight. $480 USD on Amazon for the ZR sounds good. Will cost me in total of $600 USD when it reaches my hand.
Should only take me 2 months at max to save this money.
I mean I don't go to clubs and waste money on alcohol nor do I smoke etc. I might aswell buy what makes me happy lol
I like to know that I can destroy my battery as much as I want and when it gives up all I have to do is swap in another one in 5 seconds and my phone is good as new once more.
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Good to know it will only last 3 years so I won't be buying it.
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No, I didn't say it'll only last 3 years I guess we can get more than 3 years out of it. It's only a guess, we have to wait until that date to know more about it
Yes, in Germany this phone is very expensive, too. I paid 561€, that's 751$... But I know that I won't have it for over 4 or 5 years even if the battery will last that long. There is so much progress in smartphone development, I don't want to know where the One will be in 4 years xD
yeah good point.
But even if I want to sell or give my phone to a family member say my little nephew later on when I upgrade, it would be nice to give him a phone that actually works and has a working battery.
So from what I have seen especially pricing. I am going with the Xperia ZR it fits my budget, and has everything I need including removable battery so I can have a spare to carry around with me also when one goes dead.
one question why do they make phones with non removable battery?
why not make it metal and make the battery removable?
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one question why do they make phones with non removable battery?
why not make it metal and make the battery removable?
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Argh, how to explain this with my bad English xD I'll try:
With a removable battery you always need a separate "room" where it'll be placed and as well a separate case. This will leads to consume more space so the design couldn't be that thin. But the most important point: If you'll use the space- where a removable battery fits - you can increase the volume of the battery itself which involve larger batteries with more capacity
And... Maybe an economical reason: The manufacturer will "bond" the consumer to their replacement/repair center if the battery is broken and has to be replaced.
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yeah good point.
But even if I want to sell or give my phone to a family member say my little nephew later on when I upgrade, it would be nice to give him a phone that actually works and has a working battery.
So from what I have seen especially pricing. I am going with the Xperia ZR it fits my budget, and has everything I need including removable battery so I can have a spare to carry around with me also when one goes dead.
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I would recommend checking out the Xperia in person before you make your final decision. For me it came down to the ZR and the One. I really liked the rugged body on the Sony. I fish a lot and use a hydrographic map app that shows the depth of different bodies of water, so the water resistant and dustproof housing was a big bonus. I went with the One because the ZR uses a TFT screen similar to a laptop computer. The viewing angles and daylight visibility are horrible.
Google slashed $100 off the Nexus 4
So I am gonna buy the N4 for $200 USD unlocked. Thats a incredible price for such a phone so not gonna bother with $700 HTC anymore
The N4 is so cheap at $200 USD that I don't even care what happens to the battery I can buy back another phone heck by the time this battery goes bad it will have the updated ones that I won't care.
Heck I don't even care about selling back a N4 in 3 years. If I get 3 years I will toss it in the trash and buy a 2016 Nexus phone for he same $200
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Google slashed $100 off the Nexus 4
So I am gonna buy the N4 for $200 USD unlocked. Thats a incredible price for such a phone so not gonna bother with $700 HTC anymore
The N4 is so cheap at $200 USD that I don't even care what happens to the battery I can buy back another phone heck by the time this battery goes bad it will have the updated ones that I won't care.
Heck I don't even care about selling back a N4 in 3 years. If I get 3 years I will toss it in the trash and buy a 2016 Nexus phone for *the same $200*
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Rising industry costs and inflation.
Just saying.
Good thing about Nexii is that Google doesn't care about making that much of a profit on hardware. N4 is a great deal for 250. Don't buy the 8 gig. 3 gigs are prolly used up by system. Hell, the One has 7 gigs filled up when fresh out of the factory!
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
It's not that this phone is cheap, it's that unlocked phones are CRAZY overpriced.
There is no catch, Google wants to get consumers away from carrier control and push their Android ecosystem. Win/win for them.
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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Probably pushing stock android and android development. Google isn't looking to get a profit on the phone, but they are looking to get a profit on what you do with the phone (aka: search).
DanielBeaver said:
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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That's very interesting Daniel. It kind of sounds like how Sony sold the ps3 at a much lower price than it should be sold. They were losing money to push blu ray so maybe google are selling a really "affordable" High end phone to push android that one step further than iPhone.
Its Google flexing a little, its all about market share so break even is fine. Im aliitle concerned about when motorola takes the lead, though that could be a year or two away. no complaints if they want to give me a break. Im on t-Mobile too so no big deal LTE.
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
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I suppose the glass breaking could be an issue but then again I treat my phones like the crown jewels so I doubt that would be a huge problem for me. Also being in the UK on three I get decent HSPA speeds so the lack of LTE or 4G is absolutely irrelevant to me and most of the UK. The faster phones processors are getting the faster web browsing is with 3g anyway so I'm not fussed for 4g at the moment.
Right, they want Android everywhere and this is how Android wins eventually..not to mention it costs them squat per phone to build..
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So it's a marketing ploy to really push android. I'm fine with that As long as they weren't sacrificing any quality with the phone. This is surely exciting. I hope I can get one as soon as possible. I'm a huge phone geek (well that's obvious being on XDA as we all are) and I've never seen anyone with a Nexus device in the UK so I think it will be great If people in the UK will start getting them. I've always been with sense so vanilla will be a completely new experience.
I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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haha I'm so glad no one has said it. It barely matters to anyone outside of the US!
As great as this price is to get Android out into the world more, I just have a feeling that since the phone is only being sold on the play store for the (majority of people to buy) I am concerned that if they dont go all out on commercials (which they should of started with already IMO) then I have a feeling that they wont get many new people buying the phone.
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Not sure there's a catch. I don't like the glass back. Seems like they're copying Apple. I also don't ;like how you can't remove the battery. They wear out after a while.
I hope hope hope that they improved the camera. When the Galaxy Nexus was released, it was promised that it took pictures instantly. This was an improvement from my older Androids which used to take 2-5 seconds to focus and snap a pic. However, the camera on the Galaxy Nexus was weak as hell. Grainy and blurry in low light and only 5 MP..
Most likely, Google is making a limited profit with this device because they just want to get it out there.
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The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
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That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the bulk of their profit from Android is based on the play store. Lower the cost of phones, get them in to the hands of more people, and in turn the people buy more apps from the play store. There's their profit:thumbup:
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Cost for making an iPhone 5 is $389.XX. Read it in the Time magazine. This may answer the question.
Its not marketing.. its just how they do money. Google is the second most profitable company in the world. And now of that was accomplished by selling hardware. Selling hardware at cost that boosts their income method is the best way to stay in "what they best". Plus it has some perks like happy customers, injected competition and market confidence.
On the other side of the medal, you have apple, the most profitable company in the world, that makes their money on high margin.
Both ways are legit ways to make money, but me, personally I prefer the half priced one
No, catch. Like what others have posted Google wants people using their ecosystem.
I think its great they are pricing it at cost probably, I'm sure there is profit but very little. I'm tiredof carriers and manufacturers raping customers with their crazy markups.
I've never had my phone battery go bad on me. The battery is easily accessible via 2 screws on bottom of phone, no biggie.
LTE is not really a deal breaker for me, I'm in las Vegas and get 14mbps on T-mobiles faux G.
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I just received by Z3 Compact today but due to the vast reports of glass cracking and buying the phone on sim free with the intention to sell it after 12-24 months, I really don't know whether I should take the risk and keep it since their are many reports of the glass cracking by itself. It's a big shame because I had so much hope for this phone and their are lots of things i love about it such as the following:
Audio huge step up from G2
Feels premium in the hand compared to the G2.
I was impressed with screen detail that I was fooled into thinking it was HD.
Some bad points I notice just from first use:
Screen vibrates when volume high
Icons and text seems to be slightly squeezed in the menu
im worried about all the reports of glass cracking
I've really never been an iPhone fan and prefer a less than 5 inch device so if I return I really don't know where to go from here. I guess there's the Galaxy Alpha but I really don't want to go back to samsung if I could help it (had a galaxy s2 before and it stopped working after 24 months). So if the Z3 Compact is not to be due to manufacturer flaw with glass then where do I go from here? I already sold my G2 and need a phone asap.
There are a few reports of glass cracking by itself as opposed to tens oder hundreds of thousands of units sold, and it seems a bunch of people just jumped the train and claimed theirs did too while it looks like they dropped the phone from the pattern of their cracks, eventually because of the slippery backside.
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There are a few reports of glass cracking by itself as opposed to tens oder hundreds of thousands of units sold, and it seems a bunch of people just jumped the train and claimed theirs did too while it looks like they dropped the phone from the pattern of their cracks, eventually because of the slippery backside.
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So a bunch of people are lying? I think you should look a little further afield than just this forum. There are so many reports now from multiple sources now that it's becoming hard to deny there is a major flaw with the glass of this phone. From the sound of things if you buy this phone its just a matter of time before your glass will crack. And since I bought my z3c with cash that's a risk I'm not willing to take.
Even if most of the reports were legit, the likeliness of being affected is still negligible considering the amount of units sold. And even if so, most of the cases seem to have been covered by Sony's warranty so far.
Definitely keep it. It's the best non-huge phone on the market right now.
And it IS HD Just not Full HD, but you don't need full HD below 5".
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Definitely keep it. It's the best non-huge phone on the market right now.
And it IS HD Just not Full HD, but you don't need full HD below 5".
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That was my mantra as well for weeks before buying this phone, but what's the point having the best non-huge phone if it's only going to break?
P.S Do you own one?
I would say to keep it. Like the others have said, the number of reports around the glass cracking are very small compared to the number of units sold. Ultimately, it's your decision, but I've been very happy with mine and my suggestion would be for you to keep it.
You can't tell whether it's going to break, and if it does you'll get it repaired under warranty.
It may look horribly, but if all those cracked phones are going to be fixed/exchanged then there is no big deal just few days without it.
Otherwise the phone is fantastic.
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You can't tell whether it's going to break, and if it does you'll get it repaired under warranty.
It may look horribly, but if all those cracked phones are going to be fixed/exchanged then there is no big deal just few days without it.
Otherwise the phone is fantastic.
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that's a pretty big deal. not everyone has a backup phone and they don't cross ship like dell. you can't just pop into a sony store for instant refurb replacement like you can with apple, either. microsoft stores are also pretty great about replacing their lumias.
i bought mine with amex, so i have 90 days to evaluate whether or not it will break. if it does, i won't even bother going through sony, judging from the poor customer service and finger pointing people have been mentioning
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Even if most of the reports were legit, the likeliness of being affected is still negligible considering the amount of units sold. And even if so, most of the cases seem to have been covered by Sony's warranty so far.
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Do you even own one? There are hundreds reports online now it's not just "a hand full of people" anymore.
There's no telling whether you have a defective unit but as others say, those with the fault are heard louder than those who haven't experienced issues. If you do want to resell then I strongly suggest you buy a case and glass screen protector, both of which can be obtained for reasonable prices.
I agree with your first bad point, but then 99% of the time I listen through headphones, your second is because of the smaller resolution of the Z3C vs the LG G2 (I know I have both) which are both set to the same dpi (320).
I was so disturbed about the 'self breaking' glass reports that I had a dream last night that my phone's front screen was all cracked.
Woke up and it was fine. I love this phone
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That was my mantra as well for weeks before buying this phone, but what's the point having the best non-huge phone if it's only going to break?
P.S Do you own one?
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Yes, I own one, for almost two weeks now.
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There are hundreds reports online now it's not just "a hand full of people" anymore.
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A lot of them are just the same people on different forums.
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that's a pretty big deal. not everyone has a backup phone and they don't cross ship like dell. you can't just pop into a sony store for instant refurb replacement like you can with apple, either. microsoft stores are also pretty great about replacing their lumias.
i bought mine with amex, so i have 90 days to evaluate whether or not it will break. if it does, i won't even bother going through sony, judging from the poor customer service and finger pointing people have been mentioning
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amex will only give you 300 bucks back...i did mine on discover and they do 90 days up to 500 bucks
jerflash said:
amex will only give you 300 bucks back...i did mine on discover and they do 90 days up to 500 bucks
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For Platinum Card® and Delta Reserve Card Members, Purchase Protection can also help protect your purchases for up to 90 days from the date of purchase if the item is stolen, accidentally damaged or lost. The coverage is limited up to $10,000 per occurrence, up to $50,000 per Card Member account per calendar year. Please read important exclusions and restrictions.
Does anyone know what it's worth? $$$$, I have everything including T-Mobile Box and extra unused leather bands. it has always had a screen protector, no scratches of any kind!
I'm kinda anal keeping my stuff better than new.
well, i bought mine new from office max on a sale for $79.98, so i dont think itll be worth more than that. Hope that helps!
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Does anyone know what it's worth? $$$$, I have everything including T-Mobile Box and extra unused leather bands. it has always had a screen protector, no scratches of any kind!
I'm kinda anal keeping my stuff better than new.
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I purchased a new neo from best buy for $129 for Christmas. It was a lemon the back was broke on it and it did not hold a charge. I did not notice the back was broken until I mistakenly took a shower with it and fried it.
I just bought a refurbished neo for $129 and I cannot believe the battery life on this one. It seems so much better than the other that was supposedly new but that look like the box was opened I checked at 12 p.m. 100% charge its now 4:42 and I'm at 93%
The previous neo couldn't even go 24 hours without charging I don't know what possessed me to do this again but the new one? I'm happy with so far.
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Droidatar said:
I purchased a new neo from best buy for $129 for Christmas. It was a lemon the back was broke on it and it did not hold a charge. I did not notice the back was broken until I mistakenly took a shower with it and fried it.
I just bought a refurbished neo for $129 and I cannot believe the battery life on this one. It seems so much better than the other that was supposedly new but that look like the box was opened I checked at 12 p.m. 100% charge its now 4:42 and I'm at 93%
The previous neo couldn't even go 24 hours without charging I don't know what possessed me to do this again but the new one? I'm happy with so far.
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I've noticed in when buying used equipment, That Battery life is not to be expected high if Battery charge cycles are many?
The Neo 2 has on board battery conditioning management in which if you don't charge it and off? so shouldn't affect battery quality.
You can even leave it on the charger for weeks without haveing to worry about overcharging, as it tops off when needed.
Some devices don't have a smart management of their batteries.
Pity, as all of them, should be considering most people don't know the
technical aspects in care for devices battery.
I think there is a way in reading the Neo's 2 battery cycles or quality before purchasing? The seller could take a picture to verify?
or take a lower price before buying?
But given you purchased it new? or maybe was a return as I've experienced that very thing with Best Buy with a Chromebook in which was already activated keeping me from getting Google Drive added memory for two years. I returned it for a 'New' one in which I setup at Best Buy to confirm this time it was truly new...
youdoofus said:
well, i bought mine new from office max on a sale for $79.98, so i dont think itll be worth more than that. Hope that helps!
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Yes Thanks,
I'm moving so have been gathering all my collection in devices over the past 40 years!
I even still have my KIM-1 6502 computer aka 1976 era, Apple Newtons and so on...
Galaxy-Shadow said:
I've noticed in when buying used equipment, That Battery life is not to be expected high if Battery charge cycles are many?
The Neo 2 has on board battery conditioning management in which if you don't charge it and off? so shouldn't affect battery quality.
You can even leave it on the charger for weeks without haveing to worry about overcharging, as it tops off when needed.
Some devices don't have a smart management of their batteries.
Pity, as all of them, should be considering most people don't know the
technical aspects in care for devices battery.
I think there is a way in reading the Neo's 2 battery cycles or quality before purchasing? The seller could take a picture to verify?
or take a lower price before buying?
But given you purchased it new? or maybe was a return as I've experienced that very thing with Best Buy with a Chromebook in which was already activated keeping me from getting Google Drive added memory for two years. I returned it for a 'New' one in which I setup at Best Buy to confirm this time it was truly new...
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Your right, it was probably not new. I should have taken back right away as the seal looked like it was carefully pried open and re-closed.
The clerk however told me it was the last one and I had wanted for so long and it was the same price as the refurbished...and I can't resist a sale.
So, you sound like you know how I should care for my neo battery. Should I top off if I'm going away or take charger with me and wait till its low, low, low %
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Galaxy-Shadow said:
Yes Thanks,
I'm moving so have been gathering all my collection in devices over the past 40 years!
I even still have my KIM-1 6502 computer aka 1976 era, Apple Newtons and so on...
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Lol, you could donate to the tech museum in San Jose. Or see if Apple wants to pay a million for it
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Bought the S2 earlier this year and subsequently lost it an an airport so need a new one. Was going to replace it with the same after getting the insurance money but I have now discovered that the seller I got the S2 from is selling the S3 for about 50 quid more. Is it worth the upgrade? Don't think I will have a use of the pen.
Did you see this thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s2/general/upgrade-to-tab-s3-t3627842
No. Thanks.
Eggstones said:
No. Thanks.
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Also, a lot of buyer reviews over at Amazon (81% are 4 or 5 stars):
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-9-7-Inch-Tablet-SM-T820NZSAXAR/dp/B01MRDL916/
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Bought the S2 earlier this year and subsequently lost it an an airport so need a new one. Was going to replace it with the same after getting the insurance money but I have now discovered that the seller I got the S2 from is selling the S3 for about 50 quid more. Is it worth the upgrade? Don't think I will have a use of the pen.
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Even though the S3 has many teething troubles, for only £50 more, I'd take the punt. When Samsung sort the problems out, you will be paying a lot more than £50 a few years down the line if you want to upgrade.
Maybe find out what the issues are and ask yourself if any are deal breakers? :angel:
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Even though the S3 has many teething troubles, for only £50 more, I'd take the punt. When Samsung sort the problems out, you will be paying a lot more than £50 a few years down the line if you want to upgrade.
Maybe find out what the issues are and ask yourself if any are deal breakers? :angel:
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That is just the problem, I don't really know what the niggles/problems are.
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That is just the problem, I don't really know what the niggles/problems are.
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Time to get yourself to the S3 thread then Eggstones. :highfive:
If you do take the plunge, why not come back here and let us know how you are getting on
Will do. There seems to be a weird magnet issue going on that I don't fully understand.
Go for the S3 as you still have a future software upgrade path. The S2 will likely have come to its final upgrade
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Go for the S3 as you still have a future software upgrade path. The S2 will likely have come to its final upgrade
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Agreed ashyx. :highfive:
One slight chink of light is the fact that the 2016 S2 8" version is still the most recent 8" flagship Samsung device. Maybe it will get its third OS update?
Don't you think 50 quid more is too good to be true?
S3 is a whopping 599.00 and if you shop around maybe you can get it for 540.00 at a pinch. S2 easily get it for 300.00 so if I was offered the S3 for 350.00 I'd be asking some questions .... u less of course you are talking second hand ... but even then.
For me, the S3 is overpriced for what it is. I someone like Huawei got hold of a Samsung OLED panel, it could really upset the market and drive down the price of the S3.
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For me, the S3 is overpriced for what it is. I someone like Huawei got hold of a Samsung OLED panel, it could really upset the market and drive down the price of the S3.
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Samsung are really taking the 'p' these days, there is no limit to what they think they can charge. The Note 8 had me absolutely gobsmacked at nearly £900. What's next a £1500 phone?
Yeah £600 for a tablet is pretty high and given the features I think it's OTT frankly but if people pay Samsung will continue to dip into your wallet. Embedded batteries makes the £600 or £860 Note 8 still a 2 year deal as batteries don't last and I hate the fact that they did that for the phones in particular - I value my note 4 with spare batteries which I can swap in when needed and there are so many times when not having one would have been a major inconvenience.
I'll look for other brands - it's always best to go with the guys who have to try harder to get your business. When they get to Samsung status it's "take it or leave it" attitude but thats' to be seen everywhere sadly.
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Samsung are really taking the 'p' these days, there is no limit to what they think they can charge. The Note 8 had me absolutely gobsmacked at nearly £900. What's next a £1500 phone?
Yeah £600 for a tablet is pretty high and given the features I think it's OTT frankly but if people pay Samsung will continue to dip into your wallet. Embedded batteries makes the £600 or £860 Note 8 still a 2 year deal as batteries don't last and I hate the fact that they did that for the phones in particular - I value my note 4 with spare batteries which I can swap in when needed and there are so many times when not having one would have been a major inconvenience.
I'll look for other brands - it's always best to go with the guys who have to try harder to get your business. When they get to Samsung status it's "take it or leave it" attitude but thats' to be seen everywhere sadly.
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Agree with everything you say Louis. :highfive:
I bought the Mrs a Huawei mediapad M3 open box for only £142 in the USA a few weeks ago so I will get to see it in person in a few weeks time. With a high end Kirin SoC, 4GB ram things like a brilliant FP scanner and even a notification LED, it could give my S2 a run for its money. The icing on the cake would be an OLED screen but it seems Samsung are not selling these to others at tablet size.
Let's hope it turns out to be good. I think I need to go look at these offerings and see if the screens are a deal breaker or not. I got my tab second hand and because the screen was a good contender for the ipad retina. And I do appreciate it since the tab is my bedtime movie theatre
I'm sure the other guys will catch up .. Hopefully sooner or later, but if I have to stick with Kim Sami I guess I will go the ebay route and hope to find batteries as I did with the tab s.
I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.
When the phones I currently own depreciate that much in value - I usually gift them to family members who need them since I always keep them in pristine condition.
If a phone sells for a net profit of $100-$200 and I spent anywhere from $600-$1400 (some unlocked intl. versions of high end SAmsungs have gone even more than $1400), I might as well just gift it to one of my family members. That would make me feel a lot better than selling it for a small profit.
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I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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I know, that's what I thought. I was surprised at the Google offer of only $138 too. Just checked again and mint P5 is only a little over 200 now with 'good' selling at around $180 and a lot of them from major sellers. At this point I'll keep it for a backup device since both my wife and I have the P6a now and just in case... damn slippery phone. lol. Only problem with the P5 is that it's a VZW phone and you know what that means... no rom playing. Both the 6a are bl unlockable for the future.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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I LOVED my M8. That's the phone that made me an active member here and where I started learning WAY more about Android and rooting. Became a member here a couple of years before that with the Galaxy s3
andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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The P7 is large for sure. Without any case it's doable but bound to drop and crack. It's just the way things are. But I did pull the trigger and order it, just too good of a deal to pass up. I'll keep my P6a but I'm not really sure what will become my carrier device yet. Worst case scenario I'll trade in my 6a for the 7a and.. heck I have no idea what I'm doing. Why does Google do that do that to me? But nonetheless I will have 2 great phones to play with. And pretty inexpensive to boot. This might also be a great time for me to play around with unlock and root which I haven't done in years. Bottom line I have a P6a and a P7 total cost $400.
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used
andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.
how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website
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how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website
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When you purchase, I recommend using a burner account specifically for buying from Google Store. If you hang around in https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/ there are hundreds of horror stories of people receiving an empty box (delivery drivers stealing it) and Google refusing to refund or replace, making it exceptionally stressful for you. If you do a chargeback, Google will deactivate your account in retaliation. Against a huge company like Google, you don't really have any recourse.
I always recommend buying from a retailer so you are better protected with consumer laws (you can do a lawful chargeback without the retailer retaliating) and you can pick up the device in person so you know for sure the box has a phone inside it. But sometimes, a promotion is only valid through their official website in which case I recommend using a secondary account that you don't mind being nuked for whatever reason.
Back to the original topic, I'd probably use my P5 until it dies. Pay someone to replace the battery in a few years. It's the perfect size with pretty good battery life based on my usage. I don't game on my phone and mostly only use it for listening to music via bluetooth and some social media. There are no other modern phones that fit in one hand. All the other phones are too big and require both hands to operate. The only downside to this phone is that cell service is really bad. It drops down to 3G in malls meanwhile a Galaxy S9 (2018) has full bars of 4G+. If they release a phone that's the same size as P5 but with the newer P7 hardware, I'm all in.
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oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used
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Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.
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Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.
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I got the P5 in Aug 2021 for $420 - brand new condition and I never game or use it for any demanding apps or anything like that. I installed a custom ROM and custom kernel in it and chose the most conservative battery parameters and this bad boy can easily go 2 days without a charge in my case. Battery is still running great.
Like I mentioned before - I've always used power units before - I have pretty much owned and used all the Note and Ultras from samsung and I gave my S21 Ultra to my mom. I am a strong believer that big screen phones are tailored to women lol... they never carry their phones in their pockets. But that thing was such a pain to carry around - so heavy and it would tire my hands holding it.
Then I switched to the P5 and the size and weight are amazing. I like the bezels and the shape a lot too. Even though the P5 is a great device overall you could tell that it is still a midranger performer. Switching apps, recording, camera (imo) or doing something that requires power you can tell that it doesn't perform as the power units. And I tried using kernels that were tweaked for performance -it still fell short.
I made the switch to the P7 also - it was a really good deal to pass up and the reviews are very positive thus far. Never held the device or looked at it live but the size shouldn't be too bad. I only hope that it feels nice in the pocket or when walking. I know that it is heavier but hopefully it won't feel like the Samsung bricks lol
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My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.
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Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
https://i.redd.it/st3drw26xp0a1.png?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://i.redd.it/d2qr4536xp0a1.png?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!
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Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
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Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!
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I'm not trolling or anything but they said they were going to send me the $100 Google store coupon but they never did. And I checked spam/promotions folder in my gmail and still nothing. I might reach out to them also and see what's going on with that. But I read your correspondence with them - maybe they realized they were giving too many discounts with the purchase of the P7 so they took that away (by saying it's an ongoing issue and all those excuses).
Let us know if they ever "fix" your request but I'm assuming they will never give the $100 Google store credit anymore...
Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!
I wonder if you guys ever considered the Zenfone 9... that one seems like a perfect phone also considering its size and performance
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Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!
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Wow, great deal. Trade-in or straight away? Carriers will sometimes give those deals and give credit over 2 years. I got a free P5 that way but had to wait the two years to fully realize it.
I'm perfectly happy with my P5 still. I bought my P2 about a month after it was released and didn't replace it for 4 years until I got my P5, 6 months after the release date. I most likely won't replace my P5 until Google comes to their senses and goes back to the plain slate styling instead of that horrible camera bump.