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keep my Bionic or return it for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus?
it looks like an awesome phone but without the SD card I'm not sure if you can root it and install a custom ROM.
does anyone know if you can, or how good of a development community past phones like this have had.
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yes you should
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My established bias against Samsung mobile products, in combination with the lack of an SD card slot or HDMI output, lead me to say "meh".
I do like me some vanilla Android, but the probability is high that the Bionic will have AOSP-flavored ICS by the middle of next year, while the Nexus... will still have a Samsung radio baseband.
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My established bias against Samsung mobile products, in combination with the lack of an SD card slot or HDMI output, lead me to say "meh".
I do like me some vanilla Android, but the probability is high that the Bionic will have AOSP-flavored ICS by the middle of next year, while the Nexus... will still have a Samsung radio baseband.
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You know what. I like you. I completely agree.
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I'm happier with my Bionic than I expected to be after yesterday. Given that right now, the Bionic is still the only phone out there with 48 (possible) GB of space and an extended battery, the bionic is still holding its own
what bias do you have against Samsung? talk me out of wanting this phone lol. can you instal a rom on a phone without an SD card?
also if you look at the pic of the galaxy nexus with the battery cover off the top right looks like an SD slot. but the specs don't say it.
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Keep the bionic it'll have ICS soon enough and you can flash custom roms without the sd card.
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also if you look at the pic of the galaxy nexus with the battery cover off the top right looks like an SD slot. but the specs don't say it.
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That's the SIM card slot. You don't need an SD card to install a custom ROM. But you do need one to keep your application backups in a safe place. An SD card gives you a lot of flexibility for moving multimedia on/off your phone. Could I live without it...yeah, there are plenty of work arounds. Would I want to live without it, no.
I think it comes down to how you want to use the phone. Personally I like the docks available for the Bionic. I have the car dock and the HD dock and they were some of the reasons I waited to get the Bionic over the Tbolt....and I really really like HTC.
What matters most to you when when you're looking at a phone? Screen size, color saturation, thinness, battery life? Make a list of those factors, then objectively rank each phone on those factors, tally up the score and voila, you've figured out which phone is best for you.
The bootloader in the nexus is unlocked already
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what bias do you have against Samsung? talk me out of wanting this phone lol. can you instal a rom on a phone without an SD card?
also if you look at the pic of the galaxy nexus with the battery cover off the top right looks like an SD slot. but the specs don't say it.
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In total, over the past year, I have used seven Galaxy S based phones, including a Captivate, two Fascinates, and four Droid Charges. I experienced:
Numerous and persistent issues with their radio software on every single phone, to the point where I would be missing texts and calls on a regular basis. Plus, the signal quality never matched phones I had with Qualcomm basebands, and the Charge in particular would lose 4g data (or data altogether) on an alarmingly regular basis. GPS issues that persisted on every phone- the Charge, as a whole, was the best, but it still took 30 seconds to lock with quarter-mile inaccuracies at times- compared to the Bionic or my old Incredible with 3-second pinpoint locks.
The other issue is with their customizations of Android, which are almost always unpolished and rushed. This won't be an issue on a Google Experience phone, but the radio issues alone are enough to put me off of buying Samsungs until they figure out they should be buying their basebands from Qualcomm like everyone else.
I'll wait for the Anandtech review and some in depth specs about who actually makes the hardware to make a final decision- there's a possibility that they are really doing things right with this phone- but I will take a lot of convincing.
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Numerous and persistent issues with their radio software on every single phone, to the point where I would be missing texts and calls on a regular basis. Plus, the signal quality never matched phones I had with Qualcomm basebands, and the Charge in particular would lose 4g data (or data altogether) on an alarmingly regular basis
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My Charge had these issues as well, as does my brother's, and my best friend's, and almost anyone I sell a Samsung phone to (I work in retail). I am a bit concerned with Samsung's baseband capabilities, but iirc with the Nexus series, the hardware is all Samsung and the software is all Google. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's always been my impression.
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what bias do you have against Samsung? talk me out of wanting this phone lol. can you instal a rom on a phone without an SD card?
also if you look at the pic of the galaxy nexus with the battery cover off the top right looks like an SD slot. but the specs don't say it.
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My bias is the same as the previous comments, Samsung and LG have horrible radios, Motorola has the best. The galaxy nexus isn't enough to get me to consider another pos Samsung phone, but if that note comes to Verizon I'd be tempted by that 5.3" screen.
Your asking if you should get a galaxy nexus or bionic. In a bionic forum? I have a bionic. But the nexus is a superior phone. HD AMOLED, bigger screen
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I'm considering getting the nexus and selling my bionic. With this huge launch of a phone I'm sure they worked out a lot of kinks and fixed their radio issues
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I'm considering getting the nexus and selling my bionic. With this huge launch of a phone I'm sure they worked out a lot of kinks and fixed their radio issues
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I loled. Samsung makes sexy looking products for sure! If they work like they're supposed to , that's a different story. Also no external SD card = fail. Srsly ppl main thing this phone has over the bionic is just ICS. 200 mhz oh noes! HD super amoled 1280 x 720 yes it's a beautiful screen. But if I want to ohh ahh at graphics i'll watch **** on my 2 x 30 inch monitor setup at home . Lagfree camera cause I totally need to snap picture after picture on my phone 8). I'm sure the bionic can do it with the proper software derp. Ah Android always making people rage at their current device cause of minor hardware bumps. Hopefully ICS will set things right and fix what's really problematic, the software!
Display is garbage gen 1 just like I said.
http://tinyurl.com/3e59ffz
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Display is garbage gen 1 just like I said.
http://tinyurl.com/3e59ffz
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Wrong article G, but I know what you're talking about. The "minus" one?
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I'm considering getting the nexus and selling my bionic. With this huge launch of a phone I'm sure they worked out a lot of kinks and fixed their radio issues
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Seriously??!! Why would you think that?
Based on every other smart phone I have dealt with at launch, the end users are typically beta testers.
Just wait; I predict that there will be plenty of Nexus issues for all.
RMD
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I'm considering getting the nexus and selling my bionic. With this huge launch of a phone I'm sure they worked out a lot of kinks and fixed their radio issues
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They never work out all the kinks. Thats why we have a development community. They usually work more kinks out than the manufacturers.
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I was wondering where we bionic owners came from and also what we like / dislike about our old phones and our bionic.
I came from the OG Droid to the Eris to the Droid Incredible to the Bionic. I really miss the development of the og, Eris, and incredible. There was just so much available. And I really miss the simplicity thoes 3 had. And I miss ICS on the Droid Incredible (a fully working 3g data camera working ICS).Didn't like the lack of ram on the Eris and og. Now to the Bionic, I love the omap4, 4.3in screen, front camera, 1gb of ram. What I don't like is blur, the lack of development, and I really hate the way this whole thing is set up with safestrap and having 2 systems. Its just crazy! And having to make sure you come from .893 or .901 before you flash a rom.What ever happened to root, cwm, format the whole system, boot, data, ect. then flash away. Bionic is root, safestrap, and hope you don't screw up cause there is no way to cwm from a bootloop.
Sorry for rant but its just how I feel. And don't think for one sec I don't appreciate what the developers have done cause without their safestrap/bootstrap and roms, this phone would be so locked down it wouldn't even be funny. I have just never seen it like this. Now lets hear where you came from and your likes and dislikes.
I came from the charge which I loved the light feel of the phone however hareare as well as software was lacking but I loved the impossibility of brick unless you are retarred before that it was a epic whitch was nothing special on a side not the charge had a a lot faster 4g speeds I lose about 30 percent of speed on the bionic
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I came from the Nexus S 4g on Sprint, loved the phone, but the reception was absolutely terrible I would go on international roaming inside my own house
I cam from Nextel to Motorola Razr to Iphone 3 3gs 4 then Droid Samsung s2 then
Samsung Galaxy S2 SKY i727.
Like the android brighter and bigger screen. Apps are similar but battery drain is definitely worse on the SKY.
Almost returned to Iphone 4s but just didn't see and advantage.
Learning curve for the Droid took about a week to learn, root, cook rom, brick un brick break and now I think I got it almost right. 60 days on droid.
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I came from the charge which I loved the light feel of the phone however hareare as well as software was lacking but I loved the impossibility of brick unless you are retarred before that it was a epic whitch was nothing special on a side not the charge had a a lot faster 4g speeds I lose about 30 percent of speed on the bionic
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+1, loved my old Charge.
I started with the Droid Eris in the early days of Android. Loved the rom community very much. HTC should have.had better quality control on production because most of my issues were physical. Went through 5 of them before Verizon sent me a Droid 2.
Used the Droid 2 until I was eligible for upgrade. Got HTC thunderbolt and used it for 2 weeks then traded it in for LG revolution. Loved thunderbolt but had random reboot issues.
Hated the revolution. Hardly any rom development for a phone with unlocked bootloader. Even had messed up boot animations that prevented anyone from having a custom boot animation for months after it was released (used some funky rle files instead of the standard bootanimatio.zip or other common boot animations found on Android).
Finally got.fed up with the revolution and paid $600 for the bionic. I love my bionic but admit that Motorola totally screwed it up when you consider that this was the most hyped android ever released.
In the future, I'll probably stick to HTC because they have the best rom development communities. The battery life isn't as good as it is with Motorola but the selection of roms can get me past that, especially when the roms will improve their battery life.
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I hate Samsung nor will I ever own one. For what can be said about the bright screen and everything, Samsung phones have some of the most issues.running apps from the android market. I'm always reading comments on 4 star apps from Samsung users having problems with the app. As an app developer, the majority of complaints come from Samsung users. I'd have to say 80% of the problems are coming from Samsung users. They are having issues that owners of other androids aren't having. In many cases, lot of app developers are having their apps rated down because of an issue that is Samsung's fault because the user doesn't realize the problem is with Samsung. With as many devices that are available, most app developers cannot ensure compatibility among every single device as its not possible for us to own every single one to test on. The majority of android app developers are independent and in many cases, are working from home. Since they're not being financed by major billion dollar corporations, they don't have the budget to buy additional devices. This is also a major reason many app developers for the iPhone won't come over to Android even as Android continues to outsell the iPhone. There is also an issue about Android owners being known for being too cheap to buy apps (not sure how true this really is, but it is a real perception. The majority of people who are downloading pirated content never would buy it anyways so the damages you hear about are greatly over exaggerated) .
While Samsung may have some of the sexiest phones, they're like having a Porsche running with bad spark plugs.
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This is good guys. Keep it coming.
It also sounds like people that have owned HTC prior are like me and miss it.
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This is good guys. Keep it coming.
It also sounds like people that have owned HTC prior are like me and miss it.
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I had a thunderbolt, and that's the reason I'll stay far away from HTC from now on.
Here's my response to the rootz thread
" I had a Droid X, and a Thunderbolt before. I loved my X and only got a t bolt for 4g, what a mistake that was. I rarely ever saw 4g with the t bolt, I thought my area had poor coverage and then I got the bionic and realized it was a problem with the bolt. My t bolt also had horrible sound quality, the mic and both speakers sucked. That phone had so many problems (I went through 6) that I won't be getting another HTC anytime soon."
Come on guys. I know there is more stories on where you came from. Keep it coming.
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I started with the htc hero than palm pre then htc evo then htc evo 3d then the DROID charge and finally DROID bionic. The bionic has been good to me ....but I feel like I need a little bit more. Im running eclipse 2.1 on 901 but im used to having the development like the evo. There were so many options. Im tempted to get the razr maxx but im afraid something else will come out that's better...even tho it will always happen
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Hold off on the razer. They are releasing a developers edition razer with unlocked bootloader. Makes me wonder if any previous phones will ever get their bootloaders unlocked since they are releasing developer editions now.
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Really I thought it wasn't coming to the US...
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I read something last night about it. Ill see if I can find it again and post a link later this afternoon.
Lets hear more on where you came from and why you like/dislike the phones guys.
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The one thing I can say I miss about the thunderbolt is sound profiles. It saved different profiles for the built in speaker and headphones, this is a feature that should become standard on Android.
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I started with the htc hero than palm pre then htc evo then htc evo 3d then the DROID charge and finally DROID bionic. The bionic has been good to me ....but I feel like I need a little bit more. Im running eclipse 2.1 on 901 but im used to having the development like the evo. There were so many options. Im tempted to get the razr maxx but im afraid something else will come out that's better...even tho it will always happen
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Your going to find a better rom development community with HTC phones. Its pretty much standard that HTC gets the rom development. If you're looking for the type of community that you had.with the evo, you will have to stay with HTC or get a nexus.
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Started with the Eris, then the Incredible, and now the bionic. This is not a bad phone by any means. But I am glad my DINC is still alive and kicking.
Again the phone itself I love. Just as others have said though, the locked bootloader and lack of dev support just ain't what I'm used too.
But I have raging fast 4g for only $50
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My roots are simple. Smartphone-wise, I started on Windows Mobile and used a few different HTC phones(8525, Tilt, Tilt 2) over the course of my early experience. Definitely easy to mod. However, I didn't like where Windows Phone was going(still don't), so I made the switch to android with the Droid X. It will always be special to me. I could have picked a phone without a locked bootloader, but I wouldn't have had the same raw power. Only 2 months ago, I upgraded to the Bionic. I wanted to hold out for the Droid 4(missed the keyboard), but Verizon made me a deal I couldn't refuse.
Will be more specific soon.
Wow, I forgot about windows phone. I had the Motorola q and q9m and actually liked em. I didn't like what came after windows mobile 6.1 and 6.5 which is what windows mobile is now.
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I came from a T-Mobile G1.
...yeah. So you can imagine the nature of the Bionic upgrade for me. It was literally an exponential upgrade in terms of everything. Lol.
I have an early upg I might use in july.
In light of motos continued 'up yours' mentality (this coming from a long, loooonnggg time moto fan)....
Whats a good up and coming phone to move to in terms of build quality? Unlockability?
Im sorry folks but...with what I've seen from the d2 up to the release and half assed support and releases for both the d2 and 3..I am done.
Wife has a d4 now but...not loving it. Its as clunky as ever with blur and verizon bloat.
Is the nexus my best bet for my next phone?
I had purchased the d3 as a one more chance for moto in my mind..I was sorely dissapointed seeing a very poor release of the stock software. It was broken, unstable and just shouldn't have ever gotten out.
Then the d4 almost immediately dropped.
Moto, I am done.
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HTC probably.
If you don't care about keyboard then get anything you want, like nexus
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Htc rezound and the lg spectrum both are unlockable I think(bootloader) and look very nice with good hardware
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Htc one xl looks snazzy.
Anyone hear if its headed to verizon?
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I have an early upg I might use in july.
In light of motos continued 'up yours' mentality (this coming from a long, loooonnggg time moto fan)....
Whats a good up and coming phone to move to in terms of build quality? Unlockability?
Im sorry folks but...with what I've seen from the d2 up to the release and half assed support and releases for both the d2 and 3..I am done.
Wife has a d4 now but...not loving it. Its as clunky as ever with blur and verizon bloat.
Is the nexus my best bet for my next phone?
I had purchased the d3 as a one more chance for moto in my mind..I was sorely dissapointed seeing a very poor release of the stock software. It was broken, unstable and just shouldn't have ever gotten out.
Then the d4 almost immediately dropped.
Moto, I am done.
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Personally, i just purchased a nexus....i went through the same thing with the blackberry storm 2 prior to the droid 3, so i was fed up enough to open up a second line, just so i could upgrade early
Anyone think there will ever be a Droid 5? I use the HW keyboard when I need to SSH into a server, and have fixed many problems from my phone. I tried to do the same with a touchscreen, and its awful. I have to use numbers a lot, as well as the ESC key (vi rocks).
However the Razr Maxx HD's battery life may trump the HW keyboard. My ultimate device would have both, but there is no sign of anything coming from Moto like a Droid 5. I'm upgrade eligible (2 devices, with year apart upgrades, so I get a yearly new device). So, should I wait a little longer? Any chance we'll see a D5?
The only thing I don't like about the Razr maxx HD is the 1GB RAM. Everything else should be fine. Also, until Samsung or HTC releases something close to vanilla android like Moto, I won't even consider them. Plus, their battery life is awful, since the device spends so much power rendering those skins.
What are others doing? Oh, and the build quality of Moto devices rock. What should I do?
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I've had this exact same thought myself. I also own the Razr Maxx HD, and a Droid 4. Currently I'm using the Droid 4 as my daily driver (despite its underwhelming battery) as I'm far more productive being able to use a physical keyboard as opposed to onscreen. I seriously hope one does come out for Verizon at some point...
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What are others doing? Oh, and the build quality of Moto devices rock. What should I do?
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Hope that your Droid 4 lasts forever, and use your free upgrades to get whatever the most popular new phone is and then immediately sell it on eBay?
Motorola CEO talked about the Moto X phone, also mentioned more devices will arrive before October. I'm skeptical, but if they were going to make a new QWERTY this year, that was the clue for one.
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I think I'll hold steady.. "Good things come to those who wait" (I hope). The other idea about keeping my D4 forever, and selling my upgrade device on Ebay is also a good choice
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Well they came out with 4 of them so there should be a 5. After all moto and droid goes together like peanut butter and jelly.if there isnt a droid 5 my wife will not be happy. She only uses physical keyboard and pickens are slim on verizon. Shes very picky when it comes to her keyboard. Maybe the droid 5 will carry a razr name?
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The last rumor I remember reading about concerning the D5 was in December... and here it is June. Could we see one this year? Sure. Would there have been at least some leak or blurrycam picture or something to prove its existence by now? Probably...
I'm hoping my D4 lasts forever now, and that when the battery eventually uses up its long life of charge cycles that there will be some way to replace it even though removing it is a royal pain in the sack.
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I'm hoping my D4 lasts forever now, and that when the battery eventually uses up its long life of charge cycles that there will be some way to replace it even though removing it is a royal pain in the sack.
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It's not too bad to remove actually. Mine actually came out while I was still peeling off the sticker. Problem is I hadn't noticed the damn cable!
The replacements from (I think it was) cellphonerepairshop.com come with a sticker kit that includes a little tab you can leave sticking out to pull the next one out really easily.
The hardest part is finding a T5 screwdriver. I ended up driving to a local shady repair/unlocking place who charged me £2 to borrow theirs!
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It's not too bad to remove actually. Mine actually came out while I was still peeling off the sticker. Problem is I hadn't noticed the damn cable!
The replacements from (I think it was) cellphonerepairshop.com come with a sticker kit that includes a little tab you can leave sticking out to pull the next one out really easily.
The hardest part is finding a T5 screwdriver. I ended up driving to a local shady repair/unlocking place who charged me £2 to borrow theirs!
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That's good to know! I was initially worried about the "non-removable" battery.
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That's good to know! I was initially worried about the "non-removable" battery.
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I'll post a guide to battery replacement at some point. I've got another Droid 4 coming (my GF wants one too) so I can get some photographs for how to do it.
I guess it depends on how well stuck down yours happens to be. Mine wasn't, others have had to use a spudger to pry it out.
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I'll post a guide to battery replacement at some point. I've got another Droid 4 coming (my GF wants one too) so I can get some photographs for how to do it.
I guess it depends on how well stuck down yours happens to be. Mine wasn't, others have had to use a spudger to pry it out.
Hi
Im in the UK and prefer using physical keyboard. had the original milestone which i loved. Could i ask you where you are getting the D4 from for your GF ?
Been looking on ebay but looks as though i will have to import from US
Cheers
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Im in the UK and prefer using physical keyboard. had the original milestone which i loved. Could i ask you where you are getting the D4 from for your GF ?
Been looking on ebay but looks as though i will have to import from US
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eBay, from a US seller.
Thanks for the reply
just noticed the company on your other thread, will check it out.
According to the initial question I think that there IS something you can call 'Droid 5' already...
I may be missing some points and details here, I'm not an expert but the first two Droid generations were known in the Europe as 'Milestone', starting from Droid 3 it was sold only in Verizon in USA so the Droid line became tightly connected with this provider.
After the 'Droid 4' the Verizon have still the phones of 'Droid' line, but they are made by HTC. At the same time they lost a QWERTY keyboard.
After the 'Droid 4' the Motorola created very similar phone - with identical keyboard, but under the different name - Photon Q.
For me it looks, that after the Verizon/Motorola split, the V. took their name and went to another manufacturer (HTC), while the M. took their last project and upgraded it further, so I'd suppose that the Photon Q model is more similar to D4, than any of the next 'Droids' from HTC.
Sadly, I've heard that Photon Q doesn't even have a SIM slot so I can't use it on GSM :/. If it wasn't the problem I'd buy it instead of D4 .
In the states the milestone was a watered down version of the first droids.
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I tried to use a phone without a HW keyboard, and it was so painful when using SSH. Switching from alpha to numeric and back again was the worst. I just can't do my current job efficiently without a HW keyboard. I really hope that Moto has something cooking. I would be happy with the same form factor, but with 2GB RAM, 32GB internal, and a decent 4 proc CPU, with a better screen and camera
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Ditto that, bgarlock.
@kolenda:
Actually, just to clarify, Verizon had the "Droid" license from LucasFilms, not Motorola. Most "Droid" phones were from Motorola, but some were from HTC (Eris, Incredible, etc) and Samsung (Charge), too. The latest phones released with the "Droid" license were from Moto: RAZR M, RAZR HD, and RAZR MAXX HD.
The Photon Q on Sprint is slightly higher-specced than the Droid 4 (faster CPU, bigger non-PenTile screen). But, yeah, it uses a digital SIM, so that doesn't make it very import friendly.
I, too, would love to see a successor to the Droid 4. Aside from a few issues, it has been a great phone. Easily the best phone keyboard yet. With Motorola now going through Google's design philosophy, moving towards stock Android and away from carrier branding/bloat, the prospect of a new QWERTY slider from Motorola excites me. Sadly, there haven't been any rumors or leaks of a new QWERTY phone from them (just the X Phone/ Moto X)... at least, nothing I know of.
The market for physical keys isn't dead, just hampered. Is it really for the lack of a demand, or because manufacturers aren't making high-end QWERTY phones (aside from Moto, since the Droid 4 and Photon Q were on par with other flagships at the time)? Any time Samsung comes out with a QWERTY phone, it's a mid- to low-tier affair. So, I'm hoping Google takes advantage of what Motorola is capable of, and pushes them further to make an even better QWERTY slider.
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Thanks for clarifying this BPMOmega. I didn't say that Verizon had Droid license from Motorola, but that the Droid name was owned by Verizon, not Moto - so we agree here.
But I wouldn't suppose that such a name like "Droid" isn't a regular word any more, meaning some humanoid robot, but can be owned by a company... - and it's the sad thing.
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But I wouldn't suppose that such a name like "Droid" isn't a regular word any more, meaning some humanoid robot, but can be owned by a company... - and it's the sad thing.
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Aren't trademarks like that covered only in that specific industry. For example, Samsung couldn't release a phone or tablet called the Samsung Droid, but you can still have a car called the Ford Droid* without infringing on the trademark since nobody is going to confuse a phone and a car.
* And most likely the owners of said car will insist on making a certain star wars reference every time they get pulled over by traffic cops.
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I am. I have high hopes for it. Whether or not it gets good support like the AHD is TBD. Hopefully it at least gets ROOT
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I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
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I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.
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I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
/Conspiracy Theory
I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.
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I completely agree about the SD slot.
Also, the Photon Q is kinda like an AHD with a keyboard.
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skeevydude said:
I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone.
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What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!
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What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Depends on the bootloader status. If unlockable, then it will pick up really fast...if not, probably similar to us or the Defy -- depends on how easy it will be to root. Even locked, if its rooted there's a good chance it'll run ports of our roms.
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!
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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.
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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.
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Which Sony phone are you looking at getting?
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nokia lumia1020 and MOTO Droid Ultra mini，but the moto Droid Ultra is too expensive while the hardware is not the best。
I have to say the moto X is ugly。。。
I do not like the design，especially the earpieces and the microphone。
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Which Sony phone are you looking at getting?
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I dunno. Whatever Sony has next year that I can afford when I decide to upgrade the AHD.
I'm really interested in the Moto X. I like the look of some of the feature, notifications and active mic. My next upgrade is in Feb, so I'll make a decision at that time. However, I have heard rumor of a Moto Nexus coming (that was the leak rumor last week), if that is true, I may go for that off contract. I know everybody has different opinions on hardware and specs, but the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.
I agree with skeevy theory...
as time pass,and android being better each by each year
The company's have been excluding sliding keyboards
I remember when the Samsung epic 4g came out I was thrilled to see a good phone for fast texting and typing emails
As I prefer a phone like the AHD with a sliding keyboard regardless of thickness of the phone
Not much of a big deal
Just like old non-android LG xenon
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Probably a Sony phone as long as they keep micro SD. That feature being implemented or not is very telling about a companies true understanding of it's users. I prefer companies that allow storage expansion.
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I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...
ai6908 said:
I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...
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I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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matt99017d said:
I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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Provided you can unlock the X's boot loader, then it'll probably be on par with us in no time at all. If locked, it might run ports of our roms if it is rooted and a rom flash method like SafeStrap is made.
If I were considering getting one, I'd wait a week to a month to see what's up with it, its quirks, and how much the community will support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.
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the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.
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my 6th moto (cliq, q9h, v80, slvr, c139 prior) and I too agree with build quality, up there with Nokia for me.
I've also owned about 4 blackberry devices before going android and the build quality and reliability was anywhere from terrible to average.
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Still, no SD = no Buy.
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Vote with your dollar! My feelings exactly. I give Samsung their props for continuing support for SDs and giving consumers what they want (incl. removable battery) Seems like everyone these days is going the other route.
Locked storage capacity + free cloud storage, it's all "politics" from my POV really and I'm not going to support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.
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I agree that no SD is a big drawback...but cloud is one of the reason why google phones do not have SD. Only nexus 1 was the only nexus phone with a SD card i think! Well,,,thats the way google goes....i dont know if we have any say to it...unless samsung comes up with its own OS...
I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.
frog1982 said:
I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.
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I try to not get too caught up in the spec war. Look at crapple.....as much as it pains me to say this, they have low specs but they do an excellent job with optimization. So well that they can keep up with some of the new flagship phones.
I think the motoX will deliver a great user experience. And that's what it's all about. I'm not too fond of the no SD card.
I'll still be getting the 32gb model.
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