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I've been toying with the idea of buying a Nexus One for some time now, I'm no stranger to Android, having owned a Droid 2, Droid Incredible, and now a Samsung Captivate that I use with work. I currently also have an iPhone 4 as my personal phone, and I was just given an HTC Surround and Samsung Focus to replace the Captivate with, so I have to decide which I like more. I love Android, I've always been more drawn to it than my iOS devices, although I do love my iPhone. Now that the Nexus One has been out for a year and has its "successor" (depending on who you ask), is it a good buy still? I'm tired of waiting for AT&T to come out with something new that's a real killer phone, I've been hearing whispers of the HTC Desire HD being in testing, and the Moto Olympus being announced at CES. I'd get a Nexus S if I had T-Mobile and it had a microSD slot, but other than a larger screen and NFC capability, I don't see any real upgrade the S brings. What does everyone think, if I get this Nexus One is it a great buy and I'll enjoy it for awhile, or should I save my money and just wait longer?
PS, I know I own too many phones I can't help it! 3 phone lines will do that to ya
I barely got my nexus one so I would give you my own personal feedback.
Cons:
1.battery is some what horrible under medium to heavy use you can always tweak the phone to make last longer but sometimes is a pain in the butt.
2. 512mb of storage is a step back having to always watch what you installed, once again you can tweak it and make it less of an issue.
3. touch screen feedback is not the best like other phones that are out there. also having some multitouch issues on all models but I hardly notice the issue.
4. My personal issue not having a call and end keys is a pain but that just me been picky.
5. another personal opinion camera its not the greatest in my opinion.
Pros:
1. I got the phone for 295 under no contract that's a awesome deal I think.
2. will get gingerbread soon.
3. Having stock android makes things so much better I could of bought many android phones but the lack of updates made think twice of spending 300 plus.
4 this is a big one for me having to tether and having hotspot internet without rooting makes me so happy.
5. Adobe flash I love having flash for the same reason I didn't buy the nokia n8.
I know for a fact next year will be a big year for android if you wanna wait.
I have my nexus a year now, bought it when it just came out. I can agree with josemedina1983. Nexus is mine longest phone because it never got bored, there is always something new to find out, and google bringing the always the new android version makes the N1 up to date. All the new HTC phones are almost like the Nexus, some have more space to install apps on but that's it.
The only thing that bothers me a bit is the touch screen, it works great with apps but soon as you want to play games that require multi touch it's a nightmare.
I like mine N1 it has a great design works great love the trackball (miss it on new models) the dock station is great. i think i wil keep using mine N1 till something really great comes (didn't find a phone to replace it). I don't like the looks of the Nexus s it really feels cheap.
I think N1 is still a good it has it's flaws specially if you want to play games on it.
I've had my N1 for a few months, here's my take:
OS: Froyo with eventual Gingerbread
- Huge community support on the current OS with 'in-view' plans for OTA update to latest OS.
- Lots and lots of ROMs for this puppy, you can hack this baby four ways from Friday.
- Rumors that Gingerbread on latest Nexus S still a little green - will hopefully be ripe when it gets to N1
Phone cons:
- POS multitouch support (doesn't mean it's not responsive to single thumb touch).
- only 512MB of internal memory (but you can root and get Apps2SD to make up for that) [on a side note, isn't 16GB of internal memory on the Nexus S enough!?!]
- Bad design on the power button, will most likely fail after a few months if the design hasn't been fixed (see link in my signature)
- No Gyroscope - but it's not like you don't have other phones to play games on
- No NFC - but how soon are people going to start using that anways?
Phone Pros:
- Been around for a while, huge support community (XDA FTW!).
- Lots of hacks and tweaks for the phone as well.
- Anything wrong with the phone has already been discovered.
- Lots of developers have it, but you don't see it out in the wild that much (unique 'special' factor).
- Still a high end processor for the next few months until the Tegra 2s come out.
- Probably get it cheaper now that the Nexus S is out.
If you can get it cheap without a contract then sure its still a good phone.
But I would not pay full price for it or go on a contract in order to get it at this point.
Its not a bad phone at all but the phone market moves soooo fast its blinding.
I'll be keeping mine another year and then getting whatever is newest once my contract is up.
All really good advice, I feel like I'm still getting a phone that's relevant in today's market, but at the same time I know that something else is going to come soon and just put it to shame. I would like to know what's wrong with the N1's multitouch, is it just unresponsive or does it really not work? It's taken me quite some time to track down one that's sub $500 with the AT&T 3G bands, so I'm weighing the options very carefully here. After playing around with the Nexus S for some time a few days ago, I personally didn't find anything on Gingerbread that really stood out to me from Froyo, and I have it running on my Incredible now. It would be really nice to get something that was completely free of any carrier or manufactor influence as far as updates go, and easily hacking other roms onto this thing seems to be really easy. The power button issue I've heard about from other people, but some say it's not too hard to fix, so that isn't too bad for me. Decisions, decisions.
Just get the S
If you own another android phone and still using it i dont see the point of buying another one especially having the incredible its a damn good phone I think the incredible,evo,nexus,hd2,droid x,g2 are the classic android phones of 2010. I would wait alittle bit and stack up those 300 for the next phone. I feel next year windows 7 nokias meego and android tablets i love having alot of OS options.
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I have had my Nexus One 6 months and think it is a great phone. IMO one of the best looking phones made. I also have a Desire as my main phone and have used the Nexus to learn about rooting and custom roms. Its copped a hammering from experimenting but it has always come back to life. Google is defiantly your friend here LOL. If you have the spare $ and not to concerned with whats around the corner with the next gen Android its a good buy. But maybe that its 12 months since release a more current phone may be better. Try Nexus S. When it arrives in Australia I surely will get one. Good luck with your decision.
Steve.
It's a good phone, but I wouldn't buy it now after a year it came out, unless you get it really cheap. With CES happening right now, you should definitely wait and see.
If I need to recommend a phone I would still recommend the N1 provided its cheaper than the NS
Definitely a phone worth getting, more ROMS then you'll ever know what to do with. I've been back and forth between MIUI, cyanogen and enomthers ROMS and have never been.disappointed. battery life is amazing with these ROMS. My nexus at 1.113 Ghz outperformed my friends droid X at 1.465 Ghz and his rooted Evo
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I've also had gingerbread for about two weeks already and loving it
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All really good advice, I feel like I'm still getting a phone that's relevant in today's market, but at the same time I know that something else is going to come soon and just put it to shame. I would like to know what's wrong with the N1's multitouch, is it just unresponsive or does it really not work? It's taken me quite some time to track down one that's sub $500 with the AT&T 3G bands, so I'm weighing the options very carefully here. After playing around with the Nexus S for some time a few days ago, I personally didn't find anything on Gingerbread that really stood out to me from Froyo, and I have it running on my Incredible now. It would be really nice to get something that was completely free of any carrier or manufactor influence as far as updates go, and easily hacking other roms onto this thing seems to be really easy. The power button issue I've heard about from other people, but some say it's not too hard to fix, so that isn't too bad for me. Decisions, decisions.
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see the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU0R9tdodw8
Its not the best but the biggest problem I have is axis flipping and the snapping to match the axis of the other finger (Don't know what that's called officially). It's not the best video and neither of these problems really bother me in day to day use. I vote it's a great phone to own and will be for a few years yet. As for the power button i've had mine since last march and still no issues.
I still think you should wait the nexus one AT&T version are pretty rare and they still go for around 50 + bucks, more than the t-mo version.
Comes this february then I officially own a phone that lasts for a year. Lol I used to change phones a lot. I just tried to find the perfect one for me. pam there it is
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Amazon.com deal on N1 too good to be true?
Been a long time follower of this forum but only just registered.
Looking to buy a Nexus one. It's going at $298 on Amazon from one of their eSellers. It is listed as new but most of the feedback on this seller refers to refurbished products - and sometimes when the buyer was expecting a new one. So I am really sceptical though it is very tempting to be able to get the phone for <$300.
Anyone here Ble to advise? Any better ideas on where I could look?
There are a lot of killer phones out there but....I like having one of the only phones that has Gingerbread without rooting (2.3.4). Exclusivity; I haven't seen one in the wild. Hotspot and tehering without rooting. Vanilla Android. While the touchscreen is buggy at times, I love my N1. I have had it for a year and never regretted my purchase. This is one of the phones that will be remembered for quite sometime IMO. A classic, as it were.
I really like my d3 but I feel like its old already with rumors of the d4 so quick and the samsung nexus coming out. It seems that the market is flooded with android phones. Even my friends that have the iphone ask " why are there so many android phones that come so quickly" and I agree with them. I love android and will always have one. When I read things that say android has the market share I can't but wonder if its do the the huge number of android phones. I wish google would grow a pair and stop this. I would love to see just a few android phones " all stock " come out and show people that don't reallly know what a stock android phone is. I think its moto and htc, and samsung messing it all up with there ui's. And because of this is why the d3 will get lost. And its a great phone. Their are a lot of great phones but you buy one and a month later 3 more that are faster bigger come out. The only good thing about all the phones is that they all try to out do the other. So the technology gets better faster. But I would love to see less and more stock phones. Im tiered of explaining moto blur to people. My friends that have the iphone are right when they say what's wrong with stock android that the manfactures have to hide it. They have a good point. But anyway I just thought this needed to be said and now I wait 8 months till my upgrade and then I will get my samsung nexus and im back on stock forever. Also I know that we have roms and your phone can be stock with these but its still not the same.
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Google has little control over whether an OEM skins Android or not - Android is open source, and whuile I believe that they have specific requirements to get the Google market and apps, the OEMs are free to alter the framework. Of course, it is not the OEMs who simply make the phones - they are trying to sell to carriers, who also have specific demands for specific features (i.e., locked down bootloaders, so users will not be able to install apps that do things like offer hotspot service for free, plus carriers get money from software companies to pre-load specific software on the phones.) It is surely not Google who is controlling when specific makers are offering specific models (with the exception of the Nexus models.)
Google does contract with OEMs roughly once per year to make the Nexus devices, which are pure Android phones (Nexus One January 2010; Nexus S in December 2010; Nexus Prime November 2011.)
Are there too many phones? I would rather have too many great phones coming out frequently than too few phones coming out less frequently. Seriously, even with a Droid 4 coming out 6 months after a Droid 3 (if the release is indeed that tight), the Droid 3 hasn't suddenly become a terrible phone. It's a dual-core OMAP 1 GHz phone with 512 MB of RAM and a very high dpi high resolution display with reasonable battery life. This phone will remain usable for all of a typical 20 month Verizon contract commitment, just as the Droid Incredible remains entirely usable now 18 months or so after its first release.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think it's healthier to be happy that there are so many great phones pushing the envelope so frequently than the alternative - having to wait and try to guess the perfect time to upgrade to a new device. Choice can be hard, but I'd rather be able to choose between many, many models of cars than have Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. come out with a single model each every year.
Apple's way is very smart for them, but they do not have to compete with other OEMs making iOS phones. Android OEMs do need to be mindful of each other, and I think both ways are fine. If you are worried that too many phones are being released too fast, then by all means, switch to an iPhone and you'll be able to relax more, or simply buy whichever Nexus device is available at the time you are able or want to upgrade, as they are also now on an approximate yearly cycle. If you have to switch to another carrier to do so, that will surely send a message to the carrier that you are using that if they wanted to keep your business, they should have offered a Nexus device of their own.
Very good points. Just makes me a little mad that I get a phone and and one that I would rather have comes out a few months later. But then again I did not know that at the time. I just nee to maybe wait before jumping in. I do think that the samsung nexus will be the best selling phone of all time. I think that will send a measage to the carriers that stock it always better. I would like to think that stock it better now that 4.0 is out.
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This is the point that technology is at man. Every company is going to make devices that cater to each type of person. These smartphones really haven't been out long if you think about it in relative terms. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start seeing the smartphones get narrowed down into a few types of droids and of course 1 or 2 ugly step cousins made by that Apple company.
So to answer your question, yea, there may be a big selection of phones out there and by the time you get used to using one it is already outdated, but that's part of the fun of being at the edge of how far technology has gotten us.
I don't think the problem lies with too many phones but personally I think the carriers and OEMs are taking way too much advantage over the position that they are in.
When I bought my OG Droid, I went with a one year contract because I knew that soon enough a new phone would be out to replace it. This turned out to be incorrect as that was when Android phones were still in their adolescence.
In July, when I finally decided it was time to upgrade to the Droid 3, Verizon no longer offered a one-year contract and there was no sign of a QWERTY slider coming out for awhile. So I felt confident in choosing the Droid 3...
Here I sit, 4 months into a 2-year contract, the Droid 4 is on the horizon and my only option when it comes out is to buy it at full non-subsidized price. Which brings me to my next point...
Why are the non-contract prices SO high for these devices?! The cost of production and materials cannot be THAT high to warrant such a price. Add in the fact that the Operating System (Minus Blur/Sense/Etc) is "free" (to an extent).
To me it just seems like if we want to go with a prepaid, non-contract carrier we have to pay a really high price for a good phone. But when we go to a contract carrier, we are stuck for two years (unless you pay $300+ to cancel the contract) and when a new device comes out we must simply ignore it or cough up $600-700.
Am I wrong or is this the truth? Pardon my rant.
I think Android phones are being released insanely fast. There was a time when I'd read about all of them but now it seems like 3-4 new phones are announced every damn day. And they're ALL the same. Dual-Core, 4G, Gingerbread.
Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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Androidsims said:
Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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No it doesn't. It completely goes against what makes Android so good. Developers like being able to brand their phones, something they can't do under Windows Phone and obviously IOS. Flashable roms would just be confusing and potentially unstable for the average consumer.
Ya but people don't know what android looks like because of these skins. People think that blur is android and its not. Goggle should at least tell then to have more phones that are stock. Why hide android? Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins. I know that's what I do.
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Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins.
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This is probably true of people who mod their phone, but definitely not true of Android users as a whole. I would guess that less then 10% of Android users actually mod their phones. While it's a small sample, out of the 9 people I know personally that own Android phones, only 2 of them have modded it, and they only did it because I did it for them because they complained of the phone being too slow (Droid 1's). Although both recently upgraded to iphones.
The bottom line is the majority of Android users don't care about what their phone looks like or what Android truly looks like. The same way I don't care about whats under the hood of my car. A car gets me from point A to point B, what makes that happen is irrelevant to me. All I care is if the car is visually appealing to me. And maybe more recently MPG, because of the cost of gas is so god damn high.
Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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No the software is just that bad.
i4mt3hwin said:
The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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The Nexus S doesn't have a ton of bloatware on it. Verizon will have to port all the applications that are stock loaded with the Droid 3 2.3.4 build over to ICS. I'm going to go ahead and assume that ICS probably uses more RAM than gingerbread. Couple that with the crap software Verizon loads on the phone and there is definitely a case for ram being an issue. I mean the stock phone blows as is, run maps and music and it slows to a crawl.
I think the over abundance of Android phones can be disheartening at first glance, but when you think about it, remember back a few years to when the original razr was the hot phone. After owning it for two years, you go in to get an upgrade to find that the best phone on the market is still a razr, but now it can play mp3s. If you use your head, you realize that all of these people who are worried about having the latest and greatest phone and go out to buy it as it is released still have a perfectly good "last month" phone. Hello Ebay. I saved my upgrade and bought a one month old D3 off ebay for $300. Use your upgrades when the RIGHT phone comes out, until then pick up the scraps from ebay at half price. Remember, even a used phone from ebay still carries a mfg warranty.
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I agree with OP that there are too many Android phones and not enough variety. i think the main difference is that while the iPhone was originally locked to one market, Android phones were everywhere. Each carrier had their own version of each phone made by each manufacturer, not to mention their individual contracts for certain phones that ended up getting out to other carriers eventually (i.e. Evo). My issue is there isn't much variety, yeah they have small upgrades here and there and small differences but the main thing is once a 1ghz 4.3" screen came out, every company made one. Once dual core came out, every company made one. Not much innovation imo, just keeping up with the competition. And I still don't understand why there are barely any QWERTY keyboards, another reason why it seems like most of the phones coming out are the same.
For me it all has began to come down to the looks department. I know I want a QWERTY so i had limited options, but even if it was an all touch screen you look for one that you can live with looking at every day and bite the bullet. Chances are everyone else will have one with similar specs just different body design.
Hi all. Im considering to buy a touchpad for personal uses. I understand that webOS is rather ok, except for the lack of applications to play around with and thus android is there to save the day. However are there any major bugs in the android alpha builds? The price to me is very reasonable. Another thing that worries me is the internal memory, that is if the 16gb will run out fast? Please, any touchpad users just help me to recommend, that would be great!
Buying HP Touch pad and have ICS on it is worth it. After ICS update on HP Touch pad I have compare Motorola XOOM and HP Touch pad they both look same you will lot and lots of money buying HP Touch pad.
At firesale prices? Yes. Otherwise, why not wait for the next wave of ICS tablets to come out?
Its not really that firesale pirced where i'm from... abour 170USD.. but thats considered affordable still to me. But is it worth getting one? As in would i regret once i bought it?
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Hi all. Im considering to buy a touchpad for personal uses. I understand that webOS is rather ok, except for the lack of applications to play around with and thus android is there to save the day. However are there any major bugs in the android alpha builds? The price to me is very reasonable. Another thing that worries me is the internal memory, that is if the 16gb will run out fast? Please, any touchpad users just help me to recommend, that would be great!
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WebOS is under sung. It has some really cool features, and I'm personally hoping to see it grow and expand in the coming years.
That said, there's also Android. But as skypagers fails to point out...there are still quite a few significant bugs to be worked out in both Gingerbread and ICS builds. Including camera functionality, including chat (in both GB and ICS), video playback, including youtube (in the ICS builds), skype etc etc etc. The sh*t crashes and you might get force-closes and reboots...they're not uncommon at all.
But really it's personal preference. If you've got the scratch, just get a 64GB Transformer Prime with the docking station. If money means nothing, then avoid the HPTP. It's high maintenance, and still everything doesn't work. If you're looking for a badass deal on a great tablet that let's you modify, hack and tweak the f*ck out of it...then the HPTP is for you.
I got 2 32GB's in the 2nd firesale and my wife and I both love them. But my roommate just got his Transformer Prime...let's just say that now, I'm strongly considering selling mine to upgrade to the 700 when it drops in a few months.
I agree with danknee, if you can wait and have the loot. Get something that will be less maintenance. But if you can get a kickass deal, which would put a HPTP in your hands tomorrow...why wait?
I personally like web os better than Android. If you install preware and adjust a few things, the touchpad is rather enjoyable. While there is a lack of apps, if you're plans for the touchpad are mostly web browsing, music, video playback, and an occasional game, you'll have no regrets. And if you get bored or find yourself needing more, there's always android.
BTW, I own 2 32gb touchpads, one dualboots with cm7 and the other cm9. Space has never been an issue either. I have all seasons of archer, ugly Americans, bobs burgers, a half dozen hour long comedy specials, and a few gigs of music. With all that, still have 11gb free. So space hasn't been an issue yet.
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WebOS is under sung. It has some really cool features, and I'm personally hoping to see it grow and expand in the coming years.
That said, there's also Android. But as skypagers fails to point out...there are still quite a few significant bugs to be worked out in both Gingerbread and ICS builds. Including camera functionality, including chat (in both GB and ICS), video playback, including youtube (in the ICS builds), skype etc etc etc. The sh*t crashes and you might get force-closes and reboots...they're not uncommon at all.
But really it's personal preference. If you've got the scratch, just get a 64GB Transformer Prime with the docking station. If money means nothing, then avoid the HPTP. It's high maintenance, and still everything doesn't work. If you're looking for a badass deal on a great tablet that let's you modify, hack and tweak the f*ck out of it...then the HPTP is for you.
I got 2 32GB's in the 2nd firesale and my wife and I both love them. But my roommate just got his Transformer Prime...let's just say that now, I'm strongly considering selling mine to upgrade to the 700 when it drops in a few months.
I agree with danknee, if you can wait and have the loot. Get something that will be less maintenance. But if you can get a kickass deal, which would put a HPTP in your hands tomorrow...why wait?
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Thanks for the in deph analysis. I have to agree with what you said there. Understand the new ics tablets are a better choice for now but yeah, money wise is an issue so I have to lower my limits. Basically I don't really hve any uses for a tablet but just wanna get one so as to experience the tablet feel and when time to come I'm bored, I could just sell it off. So high priced tablets are a no go for me. Besides, the transformer prime does not seem to be available in my country yet.
Based on everyone replies, I think I could make a better choice now! Thanks guys!
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Consider this: ASUSEee Pad MeMO 370T. For about $250 you get a quad core 7" that comes with ICS. Of course you are going to have to wait to get one like the rest of us until the second quarter of the year. I'm planning on picking one of these bad boy when it comes out.
For what you want to do, no. For learning how to mess around with this stuff, sure. But its not a reliable device for everyday use not yet at least. Wait for the new wave of tablets and get something from a decent company like Asus or Samsung .
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For what you want to do, no. For learning how to mess around with this stuff, sure. But its not a reliable device for everyday use not yet at least. Wait for the new wave of tablets and get something from a decent company like Asus or Samsung .
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This is good advice. I'd also say that even if you do get your Touchpad running Android as well as the rest of us, there might be some issues that will never go away. I'm not sure there are enough developer resources to fix the spotty WiFi, the sound distortion on sleep, the camera, or the dozens of other little imperfections. It's a device for the hobbyist.
I have most of my music collection on my 16 GB Touchpad and still have a few gigabytes left. It's good enough, although you'd only be able to store half a dozen movies on there at once.
While I think the touchpad is an awesome device and disagree with many of the complaints about CM9 being showstoppers, thought I'd share the Acer Iconia a500 is $299 on woot.com. Today only, while supplies last. 32 GB, 10.1" screen, tegra 2 1GHz dual core, 1GB RAM, microSD slot, running honeycomb. Similar specs to the TouchPad, but was designed for Android.
Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
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don't think it worth 130$ more.
IMHO:
If you have low budget and you are not perfectionist - buy touchpad. Yes, it's not perfect, it still have some bugs in 2.3 but they are minor and overall it's working pretty good. And stable enough 4.0 we will probably see in next few months.
Also check 7" formfactor, if you like it then probably better to wait for asus 7" tablet for 250$.
If you have 500-600$ in your pocket that you don't need, wait for updated transformer prime or something like this
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Consider this: ASUSEee Pad MeMO 370T. For about $250 you get a quad core 7" that comes with ICS. Of course you are going to have to wait to get one like the rest of us until the second quarter of the year. I'm planning on picking one of these bad boy when it comes out.
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Yeah, heard about that and it sounds too good a bargain too. But does ASUS have good android development around? At least i can see that the touchpad has a ready team of developers right now...
and the $250 is the dual core model..
go for it, not only can u run android but web os and Linux this thing is pretty much the hd2 of tablets, I just picked up mine for 150$ and I'm loving it.
my honest review...
I've never owned an 'official' android tablet. I have 2 touchpads and one nook color. The HP touch pad is a great device. But there are some serious downsides:
1: fit & finish... there's a reason for so many refurbished models. My wife's is hardly used and has a cracked case near the speaker. It has maybe 2 hours of use total. And its been in a case 100% of the time. No explanation HP. None at all. I won't send it back because everything else works.
2: Android is a shoehorn and always will be. The current WIFI and kernel glitch are the only two real downsides to android on the Touch pad. If you use Gtalk w/video chat or Skype also stay away. The front camera isn't working, but it sucks anyways so IMO its not an issue. ICS is the only way to use the touch pad. GB was more stable but ICS is built for tablets and it shows. The kernel being very buggy for OTG is also a annoyance.
3: its a little heavier and a little thicker than the competition. Its noticeable but not really bad. The formfactor is also much different. The Touchpad is square like the iPad and the Xoom, 10.1, Transformer are more rectangular. If you like holding an original iPad then this isn't much different. Don't discount WebOS either. Its a very pretty OS. It has a lot of nice features. I don't use it much but its not awful and useless like some people make it. It is going to find much less use now that ICS brings that killer web browser.
My conclusion.....
The touchpad is still a sweet deal. 170ish for a 10in 1.5ghz 1GB ram 16GB is great. The nook tablet comes close but its more expensive and 7in. When you start getting close to 250 for a 32GB its a little rougher, especially with the deals on woot and stuff. Also compusa has refurb Transformer 16gb for 299 which isn't bad.
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So a guy I know has this "busted" Motorola Droid, the original model, with an apparently shattered glass/digitizer that I'd need to replace (as I understand it the LCD is fine), and while I'm a huge fan of getting myself yet another HTC HD2 and working with it, since this is gonna be a complete freebee I figured I'll do some experiments with it.
Is the original Droid still useful for many people, since it came out well over 2 years ago? I am not expecting ICS on it (although I see a few people making claims they're working on it), and with the low end specs - compared to today's high end "pocket rockets" with dual cores and 3x the speed or more, I figure I'll end up using the Droid (after I get it functional again) as a PMP actually; a makeshift "Droid touch" of sorts (iPod touch pun) since I don't plan on using it as an actual cellphone anytime soon. Already have 2 phones with NET10 and I can't do anything to the Droid to flash it and make it compatible so... it's basically going to be a PMP for me.
I'm guessing if I can get Android 2.3 on it then I should be able to run all the apps that I've used with my HTC HD2 in the past running Gingerbread, shouldn't be any issues aside from them just running slower overall because of the Droid's far slower clock speed.
I'm sure overclocking is a potential but I need to do a lot more research to see what's possible there without causing damage to the device. Just because it's free doesn't mean I have intentions on destroying the damned thing.
Just wanted to ask if other people still have their Droid 1st gen and what they're using them for if anyone cares to say. Also, what kinds of cases, docks, accessories might you be using, especially with battery life too and any recommendations for something with more capacity/time available.
Thanks, and have fun, always...
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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Let's really think about this, as I am pretty sure a lot of us are in the same boat as you are. You're probably upset about not having ICS on your D3, as am I. You understand that because the lack of memory in the d3 that it's a hardware limitation, and the 4G LTE service.
Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
Before I go through the motions of getting a new phone, I realized that I have a list of requirements. If you read above, those are the things that I'm most concerned with. Hashcode and dhacker got the ICS hwcodecs working on the razr with the razr build leak... If you ask me, I'm pretty confident they will figure out a solution for the folks who don't want to be on the leak....which should trickle down to us at some point.
My overall recommendation:
If you want ICS on a keyboard phone, wait for ICS to get pushed to D4, then buy it (are you missing out on anything by waiting?). If hashcode and the gang haven't figured out the d3 by then, I'msure d5 or d6 leaks will be coming out ;-)
Sent from my XT860 running ICS
Hasn't ICS been leaked for the D4? I though P3Droid tweeted about it the other day.
yea its out. official, and stable.
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Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
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This applies to any device at any update/upgrade point. Minimal cost additions (case, dock, etc..) and can be sold with the older device to increase its sale potential/price.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
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There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
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None of any manufactures lineups have intel chipsets and only a few are quad core...and 99% of all the LTE devices are being stepped down to dual core vs. their quad core counterparts (3G/GSM) variants.
I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
I paid full retail, if an upgrade was available...I'd have done it the day my upgrade was available.
Tom
(Just my opinions...)
how long until vzw sends the d4 as a warranty replacement for dead d3's?
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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OK, ratman's theory of phone purchases: Never spend more than $50 on a phone. That's why I, like you, got a D3 not long before the D4 release. My wife actually got her D3 for free AFTER the D4 release. when you only spend $50 or less on it then you don't feel so bad when it becomes obsolete a couple of months later (as they almost always do). We got our D1's when they were two for $99 with renewal BTW.
So, since you have an upgrade coming, I'd say wait. Unless you are just pining away for 4G, a D4 isn't all that big an upgrade compared to a D3 until ICS comes out for it. On that it depends if you insist on the VZW official release or are willing to accept a leaked variant. By the time an official VZW release comes out, there will be new phones out and the D4 will become the $50 bargain basement phone...but still a great phone..and that's the time to make the move. It will probably be a long time before something faster than 4G comes along and I think a D4 with ICS is going to have about as much "staying power" as any phone on the market.
Of course then, people will be whining about "why can't I get Android 5.0, or 6.0 or 27.6 etc, etc.
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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
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Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
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I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
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Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
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I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
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Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
No, no intention of getting off the official update path. Just pointing out how complete the "leaked" ICS build is....that I expect the official release closer to a 3 month max time frame and not six months later.
The OP is on Verizon, so will have to worry about their data package plans/changes.
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Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.
I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
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I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...
Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
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Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
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Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...
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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
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See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
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I meant to say Moto over HTC. And 512 is fine for me, I have no problems at all with my phone. Never use any more than 300mb of ram. But yeah, moto is dumb. Phones out with 720p screens a year before moto can do it.. but at least they can get a battery right
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I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
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Who knows what's really in the works now, but there haven't been many 2012 phones announced yet this year other than the HTC one series, a couple of LG phones and the galaxy S3. Motorola did say that they will be partnering up with Intel, with their medfield architecture earlier this year. I'm just saying, we don't know what's coming this year.
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TheMuffStuff said:
...Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
ratman6161 said:
Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
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I dont expect every release to be a breakthrough, but at least significantly better, if its not going to be they should stop coming out with so many new devices. D2 was what the droid 3 should have been, droid 4 should have been droid 3. X2 should have been bionic, bionic should have been razr, razr should have been what this new upcoming fighter should be. Motorola sucks.