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Water resistant flaps

So I've had my XZ for a week now, I'm on my 2nd one which I had exchanged. I've noticed on this one the flap that covers the charging port doesn't press down completely! If I press down on it there seems to be a slight movement, like 0.5mm of give, not much but I'm worried if I decide to put it into water would it survive?
Does anyone else have this problem, or am I being really nit picky! My first one shut completely flush.
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maverick1103 said:
So I've had my XZ for a week now, I'm on my 2nd one which I had exchanged. I've noticed on this one the flap that covers the charging port doesn't press down completely! If I press down on it there seems to be a slight movement, like 0.5mm of give, not much but I'm worried if I decide to put it into water would it survive?
Does anyone else have this problem, or am I being really nit picky! My first one shut completely flush.
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I've noticed that as well, as long as you press in the end of the flap nearest the top of the phone first, I find it holds the cover in more securely.

CinqUK said:
I've noticed that as well, as long as you press in the end of the flap nearest the top of the phone first, I find it holds the cover in more securely.
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Thanks for checking, I've tried that but it desn't help on mine

i have no problem with it!
it keeps in its port properly B

Mine sit tightly. Maybe ask Sony about it as they might be faulty. If they move - it means they don't sit there properly and might leak ( i think )

x102x96x said:
i have no problem with it!
it keeps in its port properly B
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Akiainavas said:
Mine sit tightly. Maybe ask Sony about it as they might be faulty. If they move - it means they don't sit there properly and might leak ( i think )
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Mine does sit tight, it's just its slightly raised and does move if I push it in more, but like 0.5mm.
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How tough are these flaps? and what if one was to come off?
I ask because the other morning, got up late out of bed, picked up my XZ and pulled charger cable out also pulling on the flap, with it being dark and couldn't see properly, I thought i'd pull the flap off as that's what it felt like. Thankfully I never, but scared me a little

morgan_82 said:
How tough are these flaps? and what if one was to come off?
I ask because the other morning, got up late out of bed, picked up my XZ and pulled charger cable out also pulling on the flap, with it being dark and couldn't see properly, I thought i'd pull the flap off as that's what it felt like. Thankfully I never, but scared me a little
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I haven't a clue, if one came off I wonder if Sony would fix it under warranty...
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Better replace it before its too late. Mine is ok and tested it.
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[Q] My Xperia Z accidentally exposed to liquid! HELP!!

My xperia Z has been exposed to tiny amount of fluid through the headphone jack, im using stock rom, but with doomkernel v9, after exposed to the little amount of fluid, it suddenly shut down and turn on again, but then the rom appear what it says at the bottom left "Safe Mode", at first i thought theres nothing to worry about, just reboot then everything back to normal... but when i done that, the LED indicator show Red color, vibrate once, few second later it vibrate 3 times and it begins to do that over and over again without even entering the boot screen... now i cant get the rom booted... Help me, what must i do?? Can i get it to work again by drying it up using a hair dryer???

It's dead, red LED, vibrate > 2 sec > 3x vibrate and reboot is an unrecoverable hardware fault.
Whatever you do, don't use heat. Put it in a bowl of dry rice with all flaps open for a day or two to absorb the liquid. If that doesn't help there is nothing to do.
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leave it in rice for a few weeks since its water resistant it will tak longer to absorb anything.

Copypasta from another thread I posted in:
Vacuum/hair-dryer are both bad ideas for electronics. The vacuum is bad because it creates a lot of static electricity, and the hair-dryer because, obviously, it heats the phone up to high temperatures.
What you should do immediately is to turn it off (hold Power and Volume up until it vibrates thrice), open all the flaps and put the phone in a bag of rice, letting the rice absorb the water for around a week or so (or at the very least 3-4 days), preferably with a drained/removed battery but this isn't really an option with Xperia Z. After this you need to make sure to get all the rice out before closing the flaps and starting it up.
Fingers crossed nothing has short circuited and/or corroded yet!
Please note: leave the phone in the rice for at least a full week with all flaps open and removable components taken out.

Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...

killgrozrism said:
Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...
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The silica should work better than the rice.
...Sent from Zed

XperienceD said:
The silica should work better than the rice.
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Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...

killgrozrism said:
Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...
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Hope it's OK. And yeah, as he said, the silica will work even better that's what it's designed for after all.

Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
Edit, I see Rekoil mentioned shorting/corrosion above. While getting the phone near absorbent material quickly may prevent corrosion, it's likely that any shorting out of components would have happened instantly. I hope the OP's phone isn't destroyed, but I wouldn't hold much hope for it as powering on a device with fluid inside it is pretty much the worst thing that you can do.
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kingvortex said:
Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
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Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?

Rekoil said:
Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?
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You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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kingvortex said:
You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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You gotta learn one way or another.

Rekoil said:
You gotta learn one way or another.
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The possible loss of a really expensive phone is a hard lesson to learn, but yes I agree that everyone learns somehow.
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Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!

I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.

killgrozrism said:
Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!
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Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.

QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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kingvortex said:
While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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Which is why this is such a good idea for this reason as well.

Rekoil said:
Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.
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Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...

QualQuek said:
Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...
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So buy a Sony SBH50 or something. That way you can use your regular headphones and still not have to open the flap for them.

Open a Xperia z to manually dry the speaker?

I was in the beach 2 days ago and I brought my xperia Z along. I decided that it was a good idea to take underwater videos and pictures above the water. They all looked great. The only problem is that, its been two days since that happened and my speaker is still muffled. It usually gets dry in a few hours, this time I'm worried it might have damaged for good. I believe that maybe little grains of sand made their way through the grill and are keeping the sound low or something else. Anyways, just wanted to ask if anyone can advise me on what to do. I had my C6002 since its release and have submerge it in numerous pools but never on a beach. Any help will be appreciated, thanks
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I wouldn't recommend open the device, you could lose the water resistance altogether.
My only advice would be letting the device on rice for a while with the flaps open.
Anyway, my take on this subject is this:
I wonder now why everyone thinks that kind of water resistance will make the phone indestructible.
For me, that water resistance (not waterproof) just makes me feel more confident about my device surviving water related accidents.
Just taking the device to the swimming pool defeats its certification (2 m deep pools are not uncommon, you know), splashing, swimming, just moving around under water, or even worst jumping into the water violently just multiplies the pressure around your device by more than those 0.1 bar.
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Good luck anyway.

Since it was salt water, did you ever think about washing it with distilled water? Might help
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Teo032 said:
Since it was salt water, did you ever think about washing it with distilled water? Might help
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That would be my suggestion too. Try giving it a bath in nice clean water to rinse off any debris.
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Yeah that was my first reaction. I actually left it submerged for about 15 and after that I rinsed it on the shower with no avail. I havent blow dried it, I've read somewhere that might help. But thanks for the suggestions. I'll leave it with rice tonight and see if I have something positive to report tomorrow.
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After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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abajarde said:
After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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Same thing here since a few days and I f*cking hate it! Thought I'm not sure if it's dirt or a dead pixel.

abajarde said:
After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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There not dead pixels its a quiet common fault it minute pieces of the lens casing as a lot of users have reported the same ive even got some on mine.
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Futura2000 said:
There not dead pixels its a quiet common fault it minute pieces of the lens casing as a lot of users have reported the same ive even got some on mine.
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What do you suggest we do? Send it for repair?
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abajarde said:
What do you suggest we do? Send it for repair?
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You can only send it for repairs;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2311497
Which is what I'm going to do.

FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,

LBTaylor1984 said:
FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,
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You are probably going to eventually destroy the water proof membrane inside the speaker if you continue to do that. Not good advice.
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LBTaylor1984 said:
FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,
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Yeah man, pushing compressed air through there doesn't sound like a good idea. I'll gladly wait 2-3 hours or a bag of rice overnite. That's living dangerously right there
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Well it's your choice but it takes a quick spray and it'd back to normal.
If you did it with 10 psi sure but this is can which is like 10 psi.
It's up to you but it's not much dissimilar to blowing it with your mouth
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Amazingly, I left the phone over night on a bag of rice and not only did it fix the issue it had another unexpected effect. Now, when I wet the speaker its back to normal almost immediately. I was at a lake yesterday, used the phone to record under water, take photos, and guess what? It was fully loud each time almost immediately after I got out of the water. This phone hasn't seize to impress. I highly recommend to consider the rice. Often times, naturally aspired solutions are the better choice.
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Few doubts regarding XZ design,body,etc etc..

Hi friends, I bought black Xperia Z recently and I am loving it
I have lil doubts
1) I dont like cases. So anyone have faced any scratches on lens when case was not using and was kept on flat surfaces?
2) Does removing of flaps for charging everyday affects water resistance property?
3) Does the phone gets scratches when case was not used when you take it out of jeans every time?
Any help is appreciated
Thank You

arpith.fbi said:
Hi friends, I bought black Xperia Z recently and I am loving it
I have lil doubts
1) I dont like cases. So anyone have faced any scratches on lens when case was not using and was kept on flat surfaces?
2) Does removing of flaps for charging everyday affects water resistance property?
3) Does the phone gets scratches when case was not used when you take it out of jeans every time?
Any help is appreciated
Thank You
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Have been using it for like 4 months plus and no scratches on the lens. I didn't use any casing though. But at the top side corner of the phone just beside the headphone flap, the rubber thingy came off a bit when I dropped it once. And removing of flaps a lot will make the flap loose. Mine wouldn't close properly now. Many suggests to use a dock for charging.
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joejoe23 said:
Have been using it for like 4 months plus and no scratches on the lens. I didn't use any casing though. But at the top side corner of the phone just beside the headphone flap, the rubber thingy came off a bit when I dropped it once. And removing of flaps a lot will make the flap loose. Mine wouldn't close properly now. Many suggests to use a dock for charging.
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looks like flaps wont survive for a year also..will look into charging dock..but everytime-everywhere it wont be handy..

A full set of flaps - very cheap ($7)

arpith.fbi said:
looks like flaps wont survive for a year also..will look into charging dock..but everytime-everywhere it wont be handy..
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But I took out the flaps a lot. To charge and transfer data,to use for USB tethering when I I haven't got my WiFi activated yet.
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My main concern is results after frequent putting in and taking out of the jeans pocket.. I noticed some hairline scratches on screen but I do have screen guard on it.. It means body can also get scratched where the body is exposed and not covered by screen guard.
Any recommendations on cases? Normal case or flip case? I know it depends on person to person. Just wanna know what ppl normally use with xz
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arpith.fbi said:
Hi friends, I bought black Xperia Z recently and I am loving it
I have lil doubts
1) I dont like cases. So anyone have faced any scratches on lens when case was not using and was kept on flat surfaces?
2) Does removing of flaps for charging everyday affects water resistance property?
3) Does the phone gets scratches when case was not used when you take it out of jeans every time?
Any help is appreciated
Thank You
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Just fix the screen guards that are provided in the box..cases are just failsafes if u drop ur phone accidentally..even if any scratches occur,u can always change the screenguard later and the frequent removal of flaps doesn't affect the water resistance much,just don't forget to close the flaps after using them..just don't drop ur xz..enjoy
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USB Flap not closing properly..

Had the phone for nearly two weeks.. Noticed the flap seems to open on its own this in turn taking away the "waterproof" abilities of the device.
Spoke to O2 UK and literally straight away the guy said they will be exchanging it.
I now have a courier coming tomorrow to swap the phones out so hopefully I don't get this issue again..
Can't fault the service from O2 here though they don't mess about!
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That's disappointing...
I'm planning on getting the Z3 Compact through a friend going to America which frankly means that if I have any problems like these I won't be able to use the warranty and replace the device. Hopefully I won't have any problems.
One thing that can prevent problems with the USB flap is simply not using it, but rather charging via the magnetic port with a dock/cable/adapter.

Tuberomix said:
That's disappointing...
I'm planning on getting the Z3 Compact through a friend going to America which frankly means that if I have any problems like these I won't be able to use the warranty and replace the device. Hopefully I won't have any problems.
One thing that can prevent problems with the USB flap is simply not using it, but rather charging via the magnetic port with a dock/cable/adapter.
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Shouldn't have to avoid using any part of the phone.. If it's not going to work properly I don't want it, no matter what it is I have bought..
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pricey2009 said:
Shouldn't have to avoid using any part of the phone.. If it's not going to work properly I don't want it, no matter what it is I have bought..
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Yes that's fair enough. It's a shame if the USB flap really does have design issues or maybe it's just a rarer issue that unfortunately happened to you.

Tuberomix said:
Yes that's fair enough. It's a shame if the USB flap really does have design issues or maybe it's just a rarer issue that unfortunately happened to you.
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Apparently it's not so rare, alot of people would seem to getting similar issues if you look on the Sony mobile forums..
I would advise everyone to check their units and make sure both flaps close properly..
If not your phone will not be waterproof and hence may die if you take it for a swim like they do on the adverts...
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At the end of the day, the flaps are made of plastic which can and will bend if you don't take care when removing or make sure its not getting caught in anything while its off.
I'm not saying this is the case with everyone, but likely for most...

I'm in exactly the same boat. Bought the black version from Clove, arrived just under 2 weeks ago. For the last few days, I noticed the flap was loose when taking it out of my pocket, thought it was becoming loose while walking around. Closed the flap and left it on the table, few minutes later, it was loose again, so definitely a hardware problem. Gave the flap a clear with an earbud but no cigar. Nano SIM cover sits nice and tight
Really disappointed as I really like the phone and apart from this issue, it lives up to my expectations for both the hardware and software. Gonna be a pain going back to my Nexus 4 which I wiped clean in the expectation I'd be selling it soon >.<
Is it a case of replacing the flap or is there a bigger problem? Anyone had any experience with Clove returns? Will they ship out a new one before I return the faulty one - would make life easier as I can use the Sony PC Companion app to transfer all my stuff to the new one straight away

zer0day said:
I'm in exactly the same boat. Bought the black version from Clove, arrived just under 2 weeks ago. For the last few days, I noticed the flap was loose when taking it out of my pocket, thought it was becoming loose while walking around. Closed the flap and left it on the table, few minutes later, it was loose again, so definitely a hardware problem. Gave the flap a clear with an earbud but no cigar. Nano SIM cover sits nice and tight
Really disappointed as I really like the phone and apart from this issue, it lives up to my expectations for both the hardware and software. Gonna be a pain going back to my Nexus 4 which I wiped clean in the expectation I'd be selling it soon >.<
Is it a case of replacing the flap or is there a bigger problem? Anyone had any experience with Clove returns? Will they ship out a new one before I return the faulty one - would make life easier as I can use the Sony PC Companion app to transfer all my stuff to the new one straight away
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Its obviously a known issue or they wouldn't exchange it so fast in my case..
As soon as I told them the issue, the first response was "you will have it exchanged on your doorstep Monday morning"
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Vodafone Germany exchanged mine within a week (door to door) because of that problem.
Seems to be at least a whole production batch with bad tolerance...

Well got my replacement today and the flap on this unit closes with a "click"
So, definitely check your device does this or else it is not waterproof and needs replacing like the one I had before..
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Clove have agreed to do an exchange, apparently they've had others return it for the same problem. Hoping the next one is fine

zer0day said:
Clove have agreed to do an exchange, apparently they've had others return it for the same problem. Hoping the next one is fine
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How long ago did you buy it?

OT: I really don't understand why Sony isn't providing magnetic cable in their original packages. My guess is that there will be a lot of people who will not be familiar with magnetic charging option and damage their flops during opening for charging.

spider1029 said:
OT: I really don't understand why Sony isn't providing magnetic cable in their original packages. My guess is that there will be a lot of people who will not be familiar with magnetic charging option and damage their flops during opening for charging.
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There are no sony produced cables, only magnetic charging docks.. All the cables are third party only
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How did the Z1/Z2 waterproof covers hold up over time? I would assume anything made of rubbery plastic is gonna stretch and deform slightly over time with repeated opening/closing and exposure to the elements, so I'm curious how long these phones actually stay waterproof.

Just to join the club, have the same issue with my z3c on usb port side, sim card cover is closed as it should be. I already changed my phone once because of display issue and on that one didn't noticed that covers problem. So now I have another irritating issue. Just to inform those who claim that it is bad handling cause, I don't even use this cover cause from the fisrst day of use i had the magnetic charger just because of that I don't have to open this cover and risk to damage it.
So now I have damaged covere which was opened only once, when I inserted my sd card .

New replacement flaps on eBay selling for £5
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Have you tried it?
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I got my Z3c from Mediamarkt and found out the flap of the SIM-card wasn't closing either. If you would press it, it would stay in place for a small minute and hops open. I decided to return it and ask for a new one, because I bought the phone because of the waterproofing. I picked up a new one in the store and luckily the flaps were OK. Sony could easily fix this problem by changing the flaps, the rubber seems a tiny bit too thick.

Can I remove the rubber from the USB flap and it will still close properly?