Hey there,
I just bought a GT-N7000, and I am quite dissapointed with the display quality. I have a lot of experience with Super AMOLED (plus) screens from Galaxy S and SII, but I am facing an issue on my new Galaxy Note.
You can see it on dark pictures, photos or mainly videos. It looks like the screen on the Note were more sensitive of brighter tones of black then the screens on S or SII. Let's say I am watching a video. If the scene is full of light, everything is all right and you can definitely see the breathtaking quality of the Super AMOLED screen. But when the scene goes dark - everything got different. On the S or SII, all the dark led pixels were inactive, so the screen was absolutely black on dark places. But, it looks like my new Note is a lot more sensitive of light, and the result is, it finds a not-absolute-black places all over the screen, and the scene is not Black at all. There is around 50% of the screen's area which is not Black, but just dark grey, consiting of small squares. Also, these squares flicker in a very high frequency, which makes it even more annoying. This is also happening with photos taken in dark, but, of course, the squares are stable.
Are you facing this issue too or am I the only one? I hope you did understand my words, if not, I could provide some photo samples of what I'm talking of.
This is called black crush and present on all Note 1s to varying degrees. Samsung refused to acknowledge it as an issue.
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which rom are you on?
On the newer jb ones for me its fastly improved.
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Search for the thread in the n7000 forums with 'black clipping' in the title If you don't find it as black crusg. Lots of good reading there. You will find all the info you desire in this topic.
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Happy new year everybody,
I was wondering about the energy consumation (do i write that right? Sorry I'm from Germany) if the Galaxy S' SAMOLED. I watched a Video and noticed that the Black Colors look exactly the same as when the Screen is turned off.
So my question is: Does the phone turn the Blackpixels of so that they don't use any power?
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You are absolutely correct, it preserves your battery to make it last longer.
SAMOLED still displays backlit blacks, you can test this by making a pure black image and store it into your gallery and go into a room thats complete dark while you have the black image on screen, lock the phone.. see the HUGE difference.. the blacks on the SAMOLED is good but no where close to true blacks.
Thx for the hint EarlZ. Now I can see the difference.
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I currently have an SGS with the S-AMOLED screen, which is a gem, and am temped to jump to the O2X when it lands in the US. Could some one who owns both or at least seen the two side-by-side give a comparison?
Check this on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ5dEdn3iDY&hd=1
check the good review of the phone made by Anandtech....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...ra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/10
thanks for the links.
Actually prefer this one above the over saturation from samsung.
like it even more as my amoled screen from my Desire...
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I have both sgs and 2x, i actually like the the colors better on the 2x, only the backlight takes a little getting used to, it will never show completely black like sgs.
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Look at the 3 pictures at the bottom from GSMARENA:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_2x-pictures-3598.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/lg-optimus-2x/gal/gsmarena_028.jpg
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/lg-optimus-2x/gal/gsmarena_029.jpg
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic2.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/lg-optimus-2x/gal/gsmarena_030.jpg
Keep in mind that the AMOLED display from Samsung exaggerate colors very much. Many people like this, but the colors are not natural!
I've seen many Youtube Note videos with max brightness (some about e-reading), but almost none with the lowest brightness setting.
So, what do you think of reading at night with the Note, with low or no exterior light? Are white letters on black blackground too bright that becomes unconfortable?
What is your experience with apps like screen filter?
Those who come from HTC phones, do you find Note's screen more stressful to your eyes?
I've owned htc and sony phones and the Note's screen is very vibrant and great for night reading. Even on the low brightness in a dark room, you won't have trouble to read unless you have a bad eye sight.
Only people who are used to smaller screens or have pain in the eye will find the night usage painful for their sight. I use it every night before sleeping - no complains so far.
My fear is that Note will be too vibrant and brightfull and will strain my eyes.
For instance, I prefer reading at night with my HD2 than with my Asus Transformer, because it has a lower brightness level.
I don't know about you but I've also own a HD2 and I found the amoled screen very pleasant compare to every htc phones. The brightness can be toggle to suit you. But it's better that you test before in a shop if you are afraid.
There's an app called screen filter on market where you can lower the brightness until the letters are almost invisible. Great for night time reading!
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I use it on my HD2, but I've read here that Note's screen doesn't deal well with it and the image becomes greyish
Zamboney said:
There's an app called screen filter on market where you can lower the brightness until the letters are almost invisible. Great for night time reading!
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Yep, I find it easy to read at night but only with screen filter. Must have app.
It is pretty bright at night, even with white text on a black background, but no problem if you use Screen Filter or one of the other several similar apps to dim it further. I have toggles on my home screen for several different filter levels for different purposes. Also, I use the night-vision mode that comes with Chainfire3D to turn it to red text on a black background, for even better night time reading.
With Fbreader you can just change the color of the text to something closer to black and have night mode with the lowest brightness setting on. Voila! Very clear and easy to read in pitch dark.
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My experience is a little different to others in the thread.
I also come from using an HD2 and to me, reading at night is a weakness for the Note. Even with saturation and contrast adjusted, the pentile display really stands out to me when you're (a) in a dark room and (b) holding the Note quite close to your eyes.
Both these are true when I'm reading. It's not particularly uncomfortable but just a bit annoying.
Could you detail further the 'pentile experience'? You see pixels or 'grain'?
I've had lots of other phones and can with certainty say that I've never had a book reader as good as my beloved Note. Pentile or not.
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Could you detail further the 'pentile experience'? You see pixels or 'grain'?
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I can see the separation between the pixels as I tend to hold it quite close on a low brightness when reading. It doesn't make it any more difficult to read, and of course the resolution outweighs that negative, but it just makes it look a little bit less perfect.
I am using Screendim application and it works much better than screen filter. There is Screendim trial just for three days.
Amoled screen cannot be made lower brightness than the default so it must be using contrast features to make it dimmer.
I have to say that reading is the primary reason why I bought the Note. I read a lot of ebooks. I find the Note to be a perfect size for reading at night in bed.
I have never found the brightness an issue... What u need is a good reading app. Thats what makes the difference.
I use Moon Reader Pro and epubeader (free on the Market and can also read .mobi). Both these programs have the ability to change the text color and background and brightness.
I find that black background with pale grey/blue text is the easiest to read while conserving most battery power.
For me, Note is amazing, and if talking about brightness, it can auto-adjust itself.
I agree with documents transformed to pure black backgrounds and maybe 10% black to white text color is perfect for the eye, so you can almost fall asleep while your phone saves battery.
For some reason ScreenFilter worked better on my S2 than it does on the Note. Using ScreenFilter just makes the picture look bad... washed out and difficult to read. I wish my Note could have lower brightness on the lowest setting.
Maybe Samsung doesn't want to go lower to avoid showing imperfections.
Tubgirl said:
For some reason ScreenFilter worked better on my S2 than it does on the Note. Using ScreenFilter just makes the picture look bad... washed out and difficult to read. I wish my Note could have lower brightness on the lowest setting.
Maybe Samsung doesn't want to go lower to avoid showing imperfections.
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I find it better if you use the Voodoo screen tuning app - worth trying
The question is simple: is there a Note with a good screen? Simple test: is there a note that shows 11 as a first noticable number on this picture? (If you can barely discern below 11, that's fine)
http://www.dodaj.rs/?w/zW/2uzMNrCj/untitled.jpg
You have to be in a dark room to test this. I tried 7 different Notes and they all show from 4 and one from 1.
(tried this on an S III and it shows from 11)
yes it shows
a person with a Note (or S3) without the black clipping issue would be very lucky. it's hard to find a stock that has a perfect screen. it is after all the sickness of SAMOLED screens.
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cptnappy said:
a person with a Note (or S3) without the black clipping issue would be very lucky. it's hard to find a stock that has a perfect screen. it is after all the sickness of SAMOLED screens.
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Yes, I know, but there are many people claiming to have no issue at all. Here is one YT video that shows 90% reduced black clipping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl9ZmsIji7U
So, there is hope..
I've read somehere in our Note's forum that just by changing kernels on your phone would change the MDNIe on your Note, thereby decreasing the black clippings on your phone.
lol pixelation in dark areas is that black crush, or not being able to read a specific number because screen brightness/contrast/gamma is low?
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Mine looks fine but how does this prove that my screen is fine? Gonna watch a 'dark' video and see if I do get the black crush, I don't remember if I do or not.
Edit: Mine is all good!
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sujal said:
Mine looks fine but how does this prove that my screen is fine? Gonna watch a 'dark' video and see if I do get the black crush, I don't remember if I do or not.
Edit: Mine is all good!
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Post a picture or it did not happen. Test in a dark room. Proofs needed:
1. picture with the numbers showing on the screen
2. Take a picture of the calculator running
Don't use screenshot, you have to take a picture with a camera
shatroghistro said:
Yes, I know, but there are many people claiming to have no issue at all. Here is one YT video that shows 90% reduced black clipping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl9ZmsIji7U
So, there is hope..
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That's my video. Although its still there it is nowhere near as bad as my previous notes.
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lol pixelation in dark areas is that black crush, or not being able to read a specific number because screen brightness/contrast/gamma is low?
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It is crush or clipping. The settings of the screen are set by Sammy to pull all values to zero after a certain threshold like 4 in that pic. They do this because they think it improves contrast. It is stupid, and even more stupid on an OLED screen that has good black levels anyway. It is not the "screen" as in hardware, it is the way the low level drivers are set.
The right way to do it is to ramp down smoothly to zero with zero the only level that shows nothing at all (pure black).
Here's the picture with the test image.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6136/20121220181102.jpg
Looks like it. Don't worry about it though, you probably won't notice it in normal use.
mine is so noticeable when I play darker movies like Dark Knight. All the black clips It's so sad. I haven't read enough to find a work around, and I don't think there is one.
Do new Notes 1 (the N7000), ones produced recently (eg. 3/6 months ago) still have this bug? If yes, is the display better than displays of 1,5 year old Notes?
I have the initial release of note and thank God never experienced any such thing.
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Dont use powersave and keep auto screen adjustment off. Also keep brigtness up,all help
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