Now that micro$oft is acquiring nokia does this mean the haac microphone technology that stmicroelectronics sold to htc early this year will never make it into future non-nokia devices? I know that agreement between nokia and stmicro was until the middle of 2014 but with ms taking over the nokia smartphone division in this same year I doubt they would want to license out anything to potential competitors. I guess the htc ones with these mics are about to become even more valuable. My real question is do existing htc ones still have the dual membrane microphones? Htc did remove this feature from the official specs page but hdr video recording is still listed on the back of every htc one box from what I have seen so I am assuming they still have stock. And if they still have stock will there be enough for when the one max comes out later this year? I'm a noob not only to this forum but to a lot of cell phone tech and tech terminology so if anyone had any opinions or answers I would appreciate the input. Thanks.
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Now that micro$oft is acquiring nokia does this mean the haac microphone technology that stmicroelectronics sold to htc early this year will never make it into future non-nokia devices? I know that agreement between nokia and stmicro was until the middle of 2014 but with ms taking over the nokia smartphone division in this same year I doubt they would want to license out anything to potential competitors. I guess the htc ones with these mics are about to become even more valuable. My real question is do existing htc ones still have the dual membrane microphones? Htc did remove this feature from the official specs page but hdr video recording is still listed on the back of every htc one box from what I have seen so I am assuming they still have stock. And if they still have stock will there be enough for when the one max comes out later this year? I'm a noob not only to this forum but to a lot of cell phone tech and tech terminology so if anyone had any opinions or answers I would appreciate the input. Thanks.
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The mics were supposed to be removed from all future HTC One's as the tech was sold to HTC without proper licencing (they didnt go through Nokia) so i doubt the Max was ever supposed to use it. As for HDR recording I dont see what that has to do with the mic technology. HDR is typically a term used for lighting.
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The mics were supposed to be removed from all future HTC One's as the tech was sold to HTC without proper licencing (they didnt go through Nokia) so i doubt the Max was ever supposed to use it. As for HDR recording I dont see what that has to do with the mic technology. HDR is typically a term used for lighting.
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I recently read a thread here in the htc one forum that the way to know if you have the nokia microphone in your one was if it said hdr video on the back of the box. I guess that person who said that was mistaken.
HDR means high dynamic range... It commonly refers to an audio or video sensor's sensitivity to high and low inputs, whether sound or luminance.
I have a launch day One, and get impressive high spl audio recordings on video clips. I had an old thread around somewhere trying to figure out if the mics required special drivers, since audio only recording apps didn't sound as good as video from the HTC camera app...
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HDR means high dynamic range... It commonly refers to an audio or video sensor's sensitivity to high and low inputs, whether sound or luminance.
I have a launch day One, and get impressive high spl audio recordings on video clips. I had an old thread around somewhere trying to figure out if the mics required special drivers, since audio only recording apps didn't sound as good as video from the HTC camera app...
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Thanks for that clarification. I am really only familiar with HDR from gaming which refers to lighting processing.
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Thanks for that clarification. I am really only familiar with HDR from gaming which refers to lighting processing.
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It's actually the same thing. Audio and video are branches of signal processing, with techniques used in both cases. 1D vs. 2D signal processing.
None of the HTC One boxes I have seen mention anything about the microphone on them.
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Hi guys,
For those unfortunate owners of HTC HD7? Any updates on the camera and sound issues.
The camera does not focus properly on distant objects not very far though.
The sound on the speakers is weak during calls. Need a booster app.
Thanks,
Get the Sound Enhancer app in the HTC Hub. I haven't used it yet but it gets good reviews.
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Get the Sound Enhancer app in the HTC Hub. I haven't used it yet but it gets good reviews.
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Do you even own a HTC HD7. the sound enhancer app is just to control equalizer settings.
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For those unfortunate owners of HTC HD7
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I'd highly recommend re-thinking your thread starting structure. You're not going to get many answers if you begin like this.
I personally believe (and you'll probably find 99% of other users who frequent the HD7 section of these forums feel the same) that there isn't a better device on the market today. So to call us "unfortunate owners" is kind of insulting.
But i'll tell you what i've told others on similar threads, i personally haven't noticed any problems with the camera and i haven't really noticed the volume not being loud enough. Perhaps it's due to personal use, or maybe you've got a dodgy device, i dunno.
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Do you even own a HTC HD7. the sound enhancer app is just to control equalizer settings.
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Yes, I do own an HD7, and no, it's not really for just EQ settings. In fact, unless I'm mistaken, you only get EQ options when you use headphones.
It allows you to Choose Dolby or SRS for both Audio and Video. Equalizer specifically says for headphones or external speakers only. If you want to lump Dolby and SRS into that definition, fine.
All I can say, is that it makes quite a difference when playing youtube or netflix. Quite noticable.
( I use SRS )
you guys know if the htc 7 surround has a better camera? i heard the camera on this was horrid. may be getting the hd7 soon
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I'd highly recommend re-thinking your thread starting structure. You're not going to get many answers if you begin like this.
I personally believe (and you'll probably find 99% of other users who frequent the HD7 section of these forums feel the same) that there isn't a better device on the market today. So to call us "unfortunate owners" is kind of insulting.
But i'll tell you what i've told others on similar threads, i personally haven't noticed any problems with the camera and i haven't really noticed the volume not being loud enough. Perhaps it's due to personal use, or maybe you've got a dodgy device, i dunno.
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Sorry there if i was too direct... but i am too damn frustrated with the phone... should have gone with an androd or even nokia.
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Sorry there if i was too direct... but i am too damn frustrated with the phone... should have gone with an androd or even nokia.
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if you use your phone alot for camera nokia is the way to go. they have the best cameras. also, they are upgrading to meego, and stopping on crappy symbian so id wait till then. thats what i wanna do, love their phones but symbian sucks.
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if you use your phone alot for camera nokia is the way to go. they have the best cameras. also, they are upgrading to meego, and stopping on crappy symbian so id wait till then. thats what i wanna do, love their phones but symbian sucks.
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Same here. What i would like to see is Windows Phone 7 OS on nokia devices. that would be a real winner and viable threat to Apple and Google.
But that is never going to happen i guess.
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Same here. What i would like to see is Windows Phone 7 OS on nokia devices. that would be a real winner and viable threat to Apple and Google.
But that is never going to happen i guess.
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that would be awesome. im really sad at htcs quality. they make a "HD" phone and you cant even see angles of it lol. nokia would blast all these phones away, im waiting till acer releases their wp7, or asus. for now i will go with the HD7 even though the screen is poo compared to the focus
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I'd highly recommend re-thinking your thread starting structure. You're not going to get many answers if you begin like this.
I personally believe (and you'll probably find 99% of other users who frequent the HD7 section of these forums feel the same) that there isn't a better device on the market today. So to call us "unfortunate owners" is kind of insulting.
But i'll tell you what i've told others on similar threads, i personally haven't noticed any problems with the camera and i haven't really noticed the volume not being loud enough. Perhaps it's due to personal use, or maybe you've got a dodgy device, i dunno.
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To be honest it isn't like he isn't somewhat justified. I mean how can you mess up the speaker and camera on a phone that is nearly identical to its predacesor. My old school touch pro 2 speaker must be at least 3 times louder than this and the camera is just a joke. I put it side by side with an hd2 and it was like night and day.
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To be honest it isn't like he isn't somewhat justified. I mean how can you mess up the speaker and camera on a phone that is nearly identical to its predacesor. My old school touch pro 2 speaker must be at least 3 times louder than this and the camera is just a joke. I put it side by side with an hd2 and it was like night and day.
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its mostly to do with the software. yeah i had the htc pure and the speaker was awesome in it. the camera is awesome on my mytouch 4g, the software is also awesome on sense. WP7 has sh*t camera software. thats all our cameras our pretty much, crappy cameras, and software to make them look good. Nokia is the only company that has made cell phone camera that are actually good without the software. and the touch pro two had two speakers in the back, or thats what i remember lol. it was one of the big features of it, just like the HTC surround. the HD7 has the big screen, thats the feature. HTC wont put all their quality into one phone cause then nobody would but the rest. you want good speaker - surround, you want big screen - HD7, you want awesome keyboard - HTC 7 pro, etc. they wont make a phone with a nice keyboard, perfect screen size, amoled screen, good speaker all into one. the closest they got is the incredible.
Hi guys,
For those unfortunate owners of HTC HD7? Any updates on the camera and sound issues.
The camera does not focus properly on distant objects not very far though.
The sound on the speakers is weak during calls. Need a booster app.
Thanks,
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I know how you feel. I hate the camera and speakers. Honestly, if this phone wasn't free and didn't look so damn impressive I would have sold it.
and if i didn't hate my touchpro 2 so much. i was ready to take anything
laynee04 said:
I know how you feel. I hate the camera and speakers. Honestly, if this phone wasn't free and didn't look so damn impressive I would have sold it.
and if i didn't hate my touchpro 2 so much. i was ready to take anything
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I'm probably gonna be selling it for the touch pro 3 when that arrives.
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that would be awesome. im really sad at htcs quality. they make a "HD" phone and you cant even see angles of it lol. nokia would blast all these phones away, im waiting till acer releases their wp7, or asus. for now i will go with the HD7 even though the screen is poo compared to the focus
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Huh? The viewing angles are perfectly normal. Quit being biased.
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its mostly to do with the software. yeah i had the htc pure and the speaker was awesome in it. the camera is awesome on my mytouch 4g, the software is also awesome on sense. WP7 has sh*t camera software. thats all our cameras our pretty much, crappy cameras, and software to make them look good. Nokia is the only company that has made cell phone camera that are actually good without the software. and the touch pro two had two speakers in the back, or thats what i remember lol. it was one of the big features of it, just like the HTC surround. the HD7 has the big screen, thats the feature. HTC wont put all their quality into one phone cause then nobody would but the rest. you want good speaker - surround, you want big screen - HD7, you want awesome keyboard - HTC 7 pro, etc. they wont make a phone with a nice keyboard, perfect screen size, amoled screen, good speaker all into one. the closest they got is the incredible.
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WP7 camera software is really good, idk what you're thinking
can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.
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can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Personal experience is that the i has a better camera than the M, but that both are mediocre. Kind of hilarious that the i had a dedicated camera button for a shoddy camera.
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Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.
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You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)
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You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)
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I'm talking about the current-gen model. I've had the Epic 4G Touch when I was on Sprint (it had the Exynos 4210) and yes it was really bad (flat-sounding). I was trying to illustrate a point though.
maybe not quite as techincal as the gsmarena review but certainly not a 'poor' camera here
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1294792/motorola-razr-i
Can anyone that owns the Razr i please comment on the audio quality? I'm planning on buying this phone, but I listen to music on my phone for hours every day and am buying a new phone, because the audio connector on my Desire is bust. I'm only interested in the sound quality through headphones.
i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow
You've got to be kidding me, how hard can it be to get this right.
I disagree. I am not an audiophile but I find the sound pretty much as good as any other device I have had. There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something.
Anyway, I really think its ok.
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There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something
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that is true, you'll only notice it on quiet areas of songs. but those same areas have no hiss at all on the gnex. i'm not trying to big up the gnex here but quality of audio output via headphones is pretty important to me and the hiss i find is unacceptable
Honestly I haven't noticed a hiss when listening to things. I mainly listen to podcasts which have lots of quiet sections and little music. I will turn my ears to the potential hiss next time my headphones are plugged in.
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Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).
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Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).
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I'm not scientific with my sound reviews but from my personal experience my XT912 RAZR sounded "meh" quality.
My HTC One S sounded great, probably because of the whole Beats thing.
My RAZR i is on par with my HTC One S for sound quality.
This is all done from me driving around in my '97 Olds with a Cassette to MP3 adapter so take it with a grain of salt... but I am happy with the quality
Nice name by the way
Could it be, that only some handsets are affected? Because a few people complain about the quality, and a few say it's completely fine. And only one reviewer mentioned the problem. I had the obnoxious clicking sound when a track stopped on the Desire aswell, and I would really love, if the Razr i wouldn't have that problem. Could a beter set of headphones help? Me buying this phone is riding on this, because I really love it so far, a compact all-rounder, that has a lovely design, and is something special.
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i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow
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update: the tables have turned! i had a 2nd razr i delivered over the weekend. this unit has no noticeable 'hiss' as described above. not sure if the 1st unit was defective or something moto have amended in newer batches? either way i'm more than happy with the audio quality now on the replacement razr i and can fully recommend it to others. i'll be keeping the razr and returning the gnex yes the gnex is still marginally ahead audio quality wise. but the trade off with having a device that can store my entire music collection on removeable sd vs slightly lesser audio performance is well worth it imo.
both units were from reputable online retailers.
Oh dreaded Moto! Defy speaker problem repeats itself? Can you check serial numbers (and other info) on the stickers on both boxes? Perhaps they've different manufacturing dates.
it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back
Yeah, Defy problem wasn't exactly this one, but it was massive and annoying and moto had to admit the issue later.
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it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back
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& what serial number it has?
As you may have heard, Nokia basically got an injunction against the manufacturer of the HDR microphone used in the HTC ONE, that prohibits HTC from manufacturing new handsets with the mic and forces them to find a different and presumably inferior-tech microphone. They are allowed to sell out the stock that had already been manufactured with the HDR mic, though. (See here: http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/02/htc-hdr-mic-dropped/ )
Anyone know how to find out if your HW revision has this mic or doesn't?
Furthermore, I am wondering if this tech has anything to do with the problem brought up here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2262648 and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2261202
We should all have that mic. My guess is they probably havent even shipped the phones with the different mics yet. Im sure the stock that they have is a huge number.
I am considering this phone and I would lie if I said that this HDR mic I've seen in action in some clips, is not one of the biggest thing I admire in this thing. There was much rumours and constant mentioning about changing mic's in newer HTC One's and somehow as of today it's impossible to find any comparison or even mention about how this new MIC works compared to Nokia HDR. Anyone care to shed some light on this? It would be much appreciated.
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I am considering this phone and I would lie if I said that this HDR mic I've seen in action in some clips, is not one of the biggest thing I admire in this thing. There was much rumours and constant mentioning about changing mic's in newer HTC One's and somehow as of today it's impossible to find any comparison or even mention about how this new MIC works compared to Nokia HDR. Anyone care to shed some light on this? It would be much appreciated.
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After a month and some time with this phone, I am thoroughly unsatisfied and plan to sell it. I'm going back to Sony phones. The phone is generally fine but I have some particular issues with it that I decided I actually do need. First the problems,
1. Can't comfortably hold the phone because of the curved screen. I can't seem to stop the phone from scrolling and jumping all over the damn place cause fo the curved screen. Even if I turn it off. Apps routinely switch and scroll randomly when I'm simply trying to read the screen.
2. It can find it's way to the bootloader in my pocket. This has happened 3 times now. I pull my phone out to see it's in the bootloader ready to flash something. I have never had a phone do this and there is no reason being in my pocket will lead to this. I'm blaming bad hardware and software UI for that.
3. Useless fingerprint sensor. Tried using it with a screen protector and could never actually work no matter how much I recalibrated.
4. Camera oversharpens and pictures come out blurry. I don't understand why this happens so consistently.
Other than that, I just miss premium features like AptX, high resolution audio, and a decent IP rating. I tried to give Motorola another chance but this was not it. Anyone interested in buying it from me? It has a 2 year geek squad replacement plan on it.
I'm sorry your having problems. I love mine and it works well at everything you listed negatives for. I have the zagg screen protector and my fingerprint works fine. I don't have random scroll issues. Sounds like a pocket issue, never heard of such a thing.
So you said that you miss AptX HD ? But have you look at what processor it is in your Motorola Edge ? The SD 765G has AptX Adaptive which means next generation of AptX . Take a look at Qualcomm's site before talking because even a little missunderstanding could get into making trouble on opinion to choose the right phone .
It can go almost as high as AptX HD and by almost I mean a difference of 420kbit/s to 576 Kbits on bluettoth and 24-bit / 48kHz sampling rate to 24bit / 96kHz sampling rate .
So in conclusion the AptX Adaptive is kinda of AptX HD but better in line by high res and better in audio latency but lower in high res over bluettoth.
And by the way if you don't have something like Sony XM3 or XM4 to activate the AptX either one it doesn't matter if it has it or not cause it will not use it .
Otherwise the LDAC codec by Sony is superior to any AptX existent by now . So if you want the ultimte high res experience I think you should choose a integrated codec on headphones like Sony's.
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