[Q] Emulator - Windows Phone 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Well, my HTC screen is Crack, and its gonna be awhile till i get a new replacement. But i would like to access the settings to enable the 'Internet Sharing' as i could use it for my tablet at least. Any idea if there is an emulator that enables me to connect the phone? I tried google, but it shows emu for the wp8 os itself, not connections between phone and pc.

Nothing that will let you change stuff like that. You could in theory sideload an app that launches the relevant Settings screen, then launch it using the Visual Studio debugger (though that requires being able to unlock the phone, at the least), but that wouldn't actually put you in a position to toggle the option on the Settings screen. There's no way to control the phone remotely from your PC beyond the stuff that fascilitates sideloading, app debugging, file sync, and changing the phone name. Well, and Find My Phone, but that won't help here.

Dang it, guess stuck with this. oh well. thanks you.

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[IDEA] Computer messaging with Notifications

Hey guys,
I know there is already a few apps that allow you to send sms/txt from your computer through your phone.
I was wondering if this could be taken one step further and have an app that runs on your pc that will give a notification when a message is recieved, similar style to that of an email client, small little popup on the corner of the screen.
I think the best way to do this would be with wifi, and i dont think it could work with bluetooth, as im not sure the bluetooth stack has what is required. Im guessing it would also be viable through usb aswell but feel wifi would give the best freedom.
I feel this app would have great possibility if a developer jumped on board and managed to get this working.
already been done. Used through adb... Its called Desktop SMS and can be found in the Droid Explorer application for your pc. You can search for it on google and it should come up.
Thanks i have seen this before.
Not trying to be rude to the dev as i cant do anything myself but nothing but issues with it. The app on the phone is forever crashing and the desktop side app is pretty bad. Also it is without notifications (from what i have seen)
Maybe that moto portal is the best so far

How to Capture App Packets

I did a search and I can not seem to find the info I am looking for. I am somewhat new to Android as I mostly use iOS devices. On something such as an Ipad it is easy to loop all traffic through your computer and log it with Fiddler or various other debuggers, but when I do it with my Samsung Tab I do not see any data coming from the applications. You can only log the data being sent by the browser.
I am wondering if there is some special mode I must put it in or an app that allows you to log the data being sent and receieved by Android Apps. I did find an old thread talking about AndroShark, but it says the program no longer works. Is there a new alternative or something I am missing.. Anyway any imput would be greatly appreciated. Thank you ahead of time for your time
Do you mean using ADB to track what's going on under the hood?
What are you trying to track FROM the apps exactly? If you've written an app and want to see what's going on, the standard Android SDK and ADB debugging /should/ get you pointed in the right direction, I think.
i think onavo count might be what you looking for, it allows you to watch your data, and see what app is sending and receiving

Disable bluetooth MAP?

My X is paired to my 2013 F-150 via SYNC and it automatically adds the voice, media and message features upon connecting. However, every time I get a text, SYNC stops everything to tell me I have a new text message, and it's annoying. You can turn MAP off temporarily by manually disabling it while the phone is paired, but once it re-pairs with SYNC, it automatically activates MAP again. I do use the voice and media though.
My question is this... is there any way to permanently disable the MAP feature on the X? I don't use it and never will. I always check my phone when a new message arrives or wait until I'm at a stop. I just want to be able to be able to remove the MAP feature.
triton302 said:
My X is paired to my 2013 F-150 via SYNC and it automatically adds the voice, media and message features upon connecting. However, every time I get a text, SYNC stops everything to tell me I have a new text message, and it's annoying. You can turn MAP off temporarily by manually disabling it while the phone is paired, but once it re-pairs with SYNC, it automatically activates MAP again. I do use the voice and media though.
My question is this... is there any way to permanently disable the MAP feature on the X? I don't use it and never will. I always check my phone when a new message arrives or wait until I'm at a stop. I just want to be able to be able to remove the MAP feature.
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You can probably unpair (from both the phone and sync) and then repair and when you repair just deny the MAP access request.
Also, you should be able to turn off new message download in Sync
triton302 said:
My X is paired to my 2013 F-150 via SYNC and it automatically adds the voice, media and message features upon connecting. However, every time I get a text, SYNC stops everything to tell me I have a new text message, and it's annoying. You can turn MAP off temporarily by manually disabling it while the phone is paired, but once it re-pairs with SYNC, it automatically activates MAP again. I do use the voice and media though.
My question is this... is there any way to permanently disable the MAP feature on the X? I don't use it and never will. I always check my phone when a new message arrives or wait until I'm at a stop. I just want to be able to be able to remove the MAP feature.
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Did you ever find a solution for this? I just got a '14 Raptor and it does the same damned thing. I've deleted the phone pairing and repaired and deny access when repairing but it still automatically connects to all 3 protocols when I get in the truck. My phone is actually an LG G3 but it seems to be an android problem and not a specific phone problem.
boosting1bar said:
Did you ever find a solution for this? I just got a '14 Raptor and it does the same damned thing. I've deleted the phone pairing and repaired and deny access when repairing but it still automatically connects to all 3 protocols when I get in the truck. My phone is actually an LG G3 but it seems to be an android problem and not a specific phone problem.
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Nope. I also got a '14 Focus ST and the bluetooth "feature" is even worse on it. Since I have the full touchscreen, it will now display the notification that I have a text, and who it's from. Again, you can temporarily disable it on the phone but not permanently.
triton302 said:
Nope. I also got a '14 Focus ST and the bluetooth "feature" is even worse on it. Since I have the full touchscreen, it will now display the notification that I have a text, and who it's from. Again, you can temporarily disable it on the phone but not permanently.
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm getting in my 14 Raptor. Terrible, I guess I have to disable it every time I get in the car now.
triton302 said:
Nope. I also got a '14 Focus ST and the bluetooth "feature" is even worse on it. Since I have the full touchscreen, it will now display the notification that I have a text, and who it's from. Again, you can temporarily disable it on the phone but not permanently.
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Do you guys have root? if so maybe you can try something. but keep in mind I have not tried this myself and also I could be completely wrong.
Anyway, I noticed in my moto x build.prop file (that sets the phone settings on boot) that one of the lines seems to disable Bluetooth SAP on boot. The line is
ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.sap = false
if that can turn off SAP maybe
ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map = false
can turn off MAP on boot.
Keep in mind editing build.prop the wrong way can give you boot up problems. Backup the file, and also keep track of and set the appropriate permissions for the file.
In fact, it's probably better before editing build.prop to try the setting on the fly. In a terminal emulator with SU enabled try the line
setprop ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map false
then check that with getprop and with your car.
this is safer if you have any problems you can just reboot. if it works you can proceed to build.prop
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Do you guys have root? if so maybe you can try something. but keep in mind I have not tried this myself and also I could be completely wrong.
Anyway, I noticed in my moto x build.prop file (that sets the phone settings on boot) that one of the lines seems to disable Bluetooth SAP on boot. The line is
ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.sap = false
if that can turn off SAP maybe
ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map = false
can turn off MAP on boot.
Keep in mind editing build.prop the wrong way can give you boot up problems. Backup the file, and also keep track of and set the appropriate permissions for the file.
In fact, it's probably better before editing build.prop to try the setting on the fly. In a terminal emulator with SU enabled try the line
setprop ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map false
then check that with getprop and with your car.
this is safer if you have any problems you can just reboot. if it works you can proceed to build.prop
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Great idea, however I just tried it with no avail.
I just thought of something as well... my fiance has a '13 Focus SE with the base stereo, and she has the same model phone as me (VZW X Dev). Her SYNC doesn't alert her to new messages, but my truck with the same SYNC setup did, but I figured my truck had a more recent version of SYNC. I dunno, all I know is it's annoying as hell and I'd like to find a more permanent solution. Especially since I'm contemplating on buying the Droid Turbo in the future and I'm sure it will do the same thing.
triton302 said:
Great idea, however I just tried it with no avail.
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That sucks... Just to clarify I assume you tried this with a terminal emulator. did you remember to give it root before running the setprop command? i.e. type su and enter. without root setprop will appear to go through but won't actually set anything. And if it's set properly, getprop ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map should return false like it does for SAP. otherwise it will return empty.
Another thing that might or might not make a difference, was Bluetooth on when you tried this, if so try it with Bluetooth off.
As for the difference between the two SYNCs my guess is you're right the version difference could be affecting something. A quick Google search suggests some versions of SYNC have a setting for MAP. in SYNC menu check System Settings -> Advanced -> MAP Profile
dtg7 said:
That sucks... Just to clarify I assume you tried this with a terminal emulator. did you remember to give it root before running the setprop command? i.e. type su and enter. without root setprop will appear to go through but won't actually set anything. And if it's set properly, getprop ro.qualcomm.bluetooth.map should return false like it does for SAP. otherwise it will return empty.
Another thing that might or might not make a difference, was Bluetooth on when you tried this, if so try it with Bluetooth off.
As for the difference between the two SYNCs my guess is you're right the version difference could be affecting something. A quick Google search suggests some versions of SYNC have a setting for MAP. in SYNC menu check System Settings -> Advanced -> MAP Profile
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The newer SYNC version doesn't have that MAP option, that was the first thing I found when googling as well. (and for the record I don't have a moto, I'm using an LG G3 and found this thread while searching for a solution). Unfortunately my build.prop doesn't have those lines in it. Not sure if I could just add the MAP entry or not, that's above my knowledge base
boosting1bar said:
The newer SYNC version doesn't have that MAP option, that was the first thing I found when googling as well. (and for the record I don't have a moto, I'm using an LG G3 and found this thread while searching for a solution). Unfortunately my build.prop doesn't have those lines in it. Not sure if I could just add the MAP entry or not, that's above my knowledge base
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well without putting in commands manually I see two things you guys can try. the first doesn't need root while the second one does.
1) turn on Bluetooth on your phones, then go to Settings -> Apps -> Running -> Bluetooth Share then just Stop the Map service. This method will stick as long as you don't turn off Bluetooth and start it again, and as long as you don't restart the phone. if you do either you'll have to do the stopping again.
2) this requires that your phone be rooted, but on the plus side it might be more permanent. There's a nifty app in the play store made by some benevolent developer that claims to disable any service started by any app. appropriately enough the app is called Disable Service. You open the app, slide over to the System Apps section, find Bluetooth Share and click it, then just uncheck the Maps service box. So simple, but won't work without root. Try it with Bluetooth off and if that doesn't work reset it then try it with Bluetooth on. But word of caution you don't want to go messing around disabling other things unless you're sure of what you're doing. disabling the wrong thing will cause you problems.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice
good luck.
dtg7 said:
well without putting in commands manually I see two things you guys can try. the first doesn't need root while the second one does.
1) turn on Bluetooth on your phones, then go to Settings -> Apps -> Running -> Bluetooth Share then just Stop the Map service. This method will stick as long as you don't turn off Bluetooth and start it again, and as long as you don't restart the phone. if you do either you'll have to do the stopping again.
2) this requires that your phone be rooted, but on the plus side it might be more permanent. There's a nifty app in the play store made by some benevolent developer that claims to disable any service started by any app. appropriately enough the app is called Disable Service. You open the app, slide over to the System Apps section, find Bluetooth Share and click it, then just uncheck the Maps service box. So simple, but won't work without root. Try it with Bluetooth off and if that doesn't work reset it then try it with Bluetooth on. But word of caution you don't want to go messing around disabling other things unless you're sure of what you're doing. disabling the wrong thing will cause you problems.
good luck.
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Thanks so much! Option 2 is exactly what I've been looking for! Option 1 doesn't work for me because I use Trigger and have conditional BT on/off and that would just recreate the same problem lol.
Just tried option 2... If any of those services are unchecked, Bluetooth itself turns off automatically and won't turn back on until that service is restored.
triton302 said:
Just tried option 2... If any of those services are unchecked, Bluetooth itself turns off automatically and won't turn back on until that service is restored.
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Yep same here, tried it on my way home yesterday and the disable service app completely disables bluetooth if you disable MAP.
boosting1bar said:
Yep same here, tried it on my way home yesterday and the disable service app completely disables bluetooth if you disable MAP.
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Wow no breaks...but not quite out of ideas yet. a few more to spitball, going from simple to more complex:
a) we've established there's no option to disable MAP from within SYNC under System Settings. What about under Phone Settings? Indications are there should be an option there to turn off Message Notification. If it's there set it to OFF. frankly I'd expect there to be such a setting somewhere in there.
b) reaching a bit here, but in Disable Service app I notice there's another system app that has Bluetooth service settings. the app's name is org.codeaurora.bluetooth (Apparently Code Aurora is the Qualcomm Linux kernel). No idea if this will work where the other failed but won't hurt to try. the service says BluetoothMasService but if you check the full name it is map (maybe service instead of profile).
c) this one brings out the big guns. not only do you need root, but you also need Xposed installed. if you already have Xposed then it would be quick to try. if not, just read up on it. anyway, with Xposed installed you need the AppOpsXposed module. when you have that up and running you open the App Ops screen of the Bluetooth Share app (a few ways to do that, doesn't matter how). in that screen you turn off all of Bluetooth Share's access to SMS. Basically you disable Bluetooth from interacting with Messaging. you revoke the permissions. Bluetooth will still work unaware that it can't access messages, and I figure if it can't access messages it damn well can't send them to the car.
There's another module that can do this more thoroughly, but App Ops is less scary/more user friendly.
that's it. personally I still prefer my original idea of figuring out how to do it manually thru setprop and build.prop, but if that's not an option then try these.
Roger, I'm off work today so I'll try these out here shortly.
EDIT: From what I recall, if you have a recent version of MFT, there are no options whatsoever for MAP, in phone or system settings. I'll double check.
EDITING EDIT: #2 doesn't work.
dtg7 said:
Wow no breaks...but not quite out of ideas yet. a few more to spitball, going from simple to more complex:
a) we've established there's no option to disable MAP from within SYNC under System Settings. What about under Phone Settings? Indications are there should be an option there to turn off Message Notification. If it's there set it to OFF. frankly I'd expect there to be such a setting somewhere in there.
b) reaching a bit here, but in Disable Service app I notice there's another system app that has Bluetooth service settings. the app's name is org.codeaurora.bluetooth (Apparently Code Aurora is the Qualcomm Linux kernel). No idea if this will work where the other failed but won't hurt to try. the service says BluetoothMasService but if you check the full name it is map (maybe service instead of protocol).
c) this one brings out the big guns. not only do you need root, but you also need Xposed installed. if you already have Xposed then it would be quick to try. if not, just read up on it. anyway, with Xposed installed you need the AppOpsXposed module. when you have that up and running you open the App Ops screen of the Bluetooth Share app (a few ways to do that, doesn't matter how). in that screen you turn off all of Bluetooth Share's access to SMS. Basically you disable Bluetooth from interacting with Messaging. you revoke the permissions. Bluetooth will still work unaware that it can't access messages, and I figure if it can't access messages it damn well can't send them to the car.
There's another module that can do this more thoroughly, but App Ops is less scary/more user friendly.
that's it. personally I still prefer my original idea of figuring out how to do it manually thru setprop and build.prop, but if that's not an option then try these.
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I think we have a winner! #3 works perfectly.
I tested it with the phone unlocked and locked, rebooting the phone, toggling bluetooth on and off, turning the car on and off... seems to work every time. As long as you turn off just the SMS/MMS options, you can still have it send and receive calls and allow the device to remain unlocked while connected.
Ahhhh...... Success feels good...
Xposed is pretty amazing... It gives us a fighting chance lol.
if only they'd installed Xposed on Skynet things might have turned out differently...
dtg7 said:
c) this one brings out the big guns. not only do you need root, but you also need Xposed installed. if you already have Xposed then it would be quick to try. if not, just read up on it. anyway, with Xposed installed you need the AppOpsXposed module. when you have that up and running you open the App Ops screen of the Bluetooth Share app (a few ways to do that, doesn't matter how). in that screen you turn off all of Bluetooth Share's access to SMS. Basically you disable Bluetooth from interacting with Messaging. you revoke the permissions. Bluetooth will still work unaware that it can't access messages, and I figure if it can't access messages it damn well can't send them to the car.
There's another module that can do this more thoroughly, but App Ops is less scary/more user friendly.
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Awesome, worked here as well!! I'd looked through xposed and didn't see any modules that would do what we were after, completely forgot about AppOps. Outstanding work and thanks so much for the help!
You're welcome!
boosting1bar said:
Awesome, worked here as well!! I'd looked through xposed and didn't see any modules that would do what we were after, completely forgot about AppOps. Outstanding work and thanks so much for the help!
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How did you get this yo work? I am on a cm12 Rom also with the same issue.
Did all the above, but anytime I start the Bluetooth afterwards, it just reactivates the "Read / Write sms messages permission all over again nd im back to square 1.
Sorry to bump an old thread. But its still yhe same issue I am dealing with.

AutoTools - Supercharge Tasker!

Awesome developer Joao have (yesterday) released a brand new app called AutoTools to his big AutoApps-library. It´s supposed to be a ``supercharged Tasker´´. For example it has it´s own ``secure settings´´ very similar to the old original Secure Settings-app it self that stopped development a couple of years ago. And wait for it... it does NOT require root!
There are though warnings that claims the functions will not work on all phones and also to enable ``secure settings´´ you need to connect the phone to a PC and install a specific software etc. (all info is in the app).
I have not yet dived into all the functions myself but only checked it briefly. But this is exactly what Tasker needs And who else to bring it than Joao, he is really brilliant :good:
Read more HERE and take a look at the really informative Youtube video.
About the ``Secure settings´´ function.
AutoTools Secure Settings
This allows you to change settings on your device that you normally wouldn't be able to with Tasker
NO ROOT is needed for this action
Examples
Turn GPS on when in Google Maps, turn it off otherwise (No Root!)
Change Animation Speed with a Quick Tile on Android 7 and Above
Change input keyboard depending on situation
Set Screen Orientation
To use this, AutoTools needs to be granted permission to change secure settings on your device
How to grant AutoTools the Secure Settings permission
Enable Developer Mode: Go to Android Settings -> About Phone and look for the Build Number option. Touch it multiple times until developer mode is enabled.
Enable USB Debugging: Go to Android Settings -> and look for the Developer Options option. In there, enable the USB debugging option.
Install ADB on your PC: Check here for a quick way to do it.
Connect device to PC: Connect your device to a PC and look on your phone. A prompt should show up asking you to allow your phone to be debugged by your PC. Accept this.
Grant permission: Open a command line on your PC and write
adb shell pm grant com.joaomgcd.autotools android.permission.WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS
Congratulations, AutoTools should now be able to use the "Secure Settings" action!
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https://joaoapps.com/AutoApps/Help/...utotools.activity.ActivityConfigsettings.html
Warning info inside the app claims that ``mobile data´´ only will work on 25% of all devices, but I can confirm that it works on my S7 edge. Also power saver mode and GPS ''battery saver/high accuracy/off'' works as a charm.
Auto Tools been out for a hot minute…
snej81 said:
but I can confirm that it works on my S7 edge. Also power saver mode and GPS ''battery saver/high accuracy/off'' works as a charm.
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And airplane mode?
You can toggle the Air Plane Mode by shell code, if you can't with that...
cottino said:
And airplane mode?
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Just tried it and got some strange results lol. Airplane mode enables (icon lights up) and mobile data turns off BUT cell connection is still up and I can make calls and send texts. So you could say that I get ``almost airplane mode...´´.
I read about some Marshmallow bug though for third party apps writing system settings even with permissions, could be what causing this.. https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=194376
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Auto Tools been out for a hot minute…
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It has been out as a Beta app for a long time. It was released to the public a few days ago :-}
For Airplane Mode ( I don't have root), I use AutoInput to open up the notifications shade, then simulate a press of the airplane mode button. Works perfect
This is a lifesaver coming from Tasker + Secure Settings and System Module+ enabled which is not functioning with Marshmallow for GPS until I found someone talking about this app. Confirmed working with Marshmallow on LG G5 I'm very happy as soon as I saw it worked, I just bought the full version. This was the only issue I had as I like to use Waze often in my car and one or two less clicks is just another annoyance I didn't need :laugh:
can someone help me, I don't know how to install ADB, I'm running windows 10 home on my laptop,
Do i still need to do the adb command part if i'm rooted?
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can someone help me, I don't know how to install ADB, I'm running windows 10 home on my laptop,
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Not sure if you found the answer, but Google recently released an installer for just the tools like adb and fastboot: https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools.html
I found out in the end

Question Can anyone supply me with a NON-ADB , and NON FRP related method to crash the Android-Setup app?

Basically i need something that can be ran via terminal emulator, or a third party app that i can install which will crash the setup that happens after a factory reset.... Reason is my setup is corrupted, and until it sends a completed flag to my phone, all preloaded apps, as well as many functions in settings are disabled, and also the phone does not activate the MTP protocol so i cannot use adb, because the phone hasnt released the block of it. My setup crashes approx 7 seconds after i touch the screen to start going thru it. I can use trickery to allow me to NEARBY SHARE apk files, and more trickery to load them... but that is as far as the phone will permit. So i really just need a solid method to BREAK or CRASH the android setup, or a command that will have permissions capable of "Config_Settings_Device_Setup_Complete=1" or something to that sort. Remember i am limited to Termux and Terminal Emulator...
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Basically i need something that can be ran via terminal emulator, or a third party app that i can install which will crash the setup that happens after a factory reset.... Reason is my setup is corrupted, and until it sends a completed flag to my phone, all preloaded apps, as well as many functions in settings are disabled, and also the phone does not activate the MTP protocol so i cannot use adb, because the phone hasnt released the block of it. My setup crashes approx 7 seconds after i touch the screen to start going thru it. I can use trickery to allow me to NEARBY SHARE apk files, and more trickery to load them... but that is as far as the phone will permit. So i really just need a solid method to BREAK or CRASH the android setup, or a command that will have permissions capable of "Config_Settings_Device_Setup_Complete=1" or something to that sort. Remember i am limited to Termux and Terminal Emulator...
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If you have no access to ADB or apps of any kind and no other access to the device then no I don't think you can..
If your device isn't working then why not just flash a payload.bin via Fastboot enhance and get your device working again
dladz said:
If you have no access to ADB or apps of any kind and no other access to the device then no I don't think you can..
If your device isn't working then why not just flash a payload.bin via Fastboot enhance and get your device working again
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i am on a Oneplus 10Pro ORIGINALLY T-Mobile branded NE2217... They disabled Hardware Key combinations for Fastboot, and FastbootD .... only recovery and edl are still active! But lemme clear up a few things.....
I CAN INSTALL apps.... certain ones will not open after install, mainly any Web Browser, 3rd party search, file manager, or email client... no app that can reach out to the Internet...
WHAT I CAN LOAD is apps like Terminal Emulator, Termux, Launchers, the plain "FIles" file manager, and many more. I can access the shelf in the black screen, and thru it i can jump into the crippled Settings app, followed by "Home Screen Settings", and when i change the orientation of the app list, (vertical, horizontal), it takes me to a handicapped Home screen.. looks completely normal, but EVERY icon says "cannot find package" when clicked. i managed to force Terminal Emulator, and Termux to install and open. I can do others, provided it is something that is readily availble somewhere.
In the About Phone tab, when i go to version number, and start tapping build, it does nothing... because its locked out, just like all the apps are.... Everything normal is in some kind of perpetual hold state, that will only release when , "Android_Config_Status_User_Complete = 0" changes to "1".
This is why i need a System UI crash to take down the setup app... then i can go enable USB DEBUGGING, run the command to get back to FastBoot, and use the tool to flash a payload. But til i can break the hold, i am limited severely in what the device will allow me to do.
If you can root your device and run su in termux you can uninstall the setup apk.
Actually they may not work if you can't get into Fastboot...
Tbh I'd send it back...T mobile strikes again...

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