[Q] tegra 4 graphics on tegra 3? - Nexus 7 General

How can I make my nexus 7 think it has a tegra 4 chip for better graphics on games?

chang its brain so it can think different i mean cpu

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Does chain fire still works?
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sinple said:
Does chain fire still works?
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No.It already stopped working with 4.1
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We're gonna need a blow torch and some more peanut butter.

Open up the n7, scribble "Tegra 4" on the Tegra 3 SOC in your best handwriting.
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tipsykiller said:
How can I make my nexus 7 think it has a tegra 4 chip for better graphics on games?
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You have to make your TEGRA 3 battle and win other GPU chips to make it evolve into TEGRA 4!!!!
Or give it an electric stone will get it faster to evolve i guess!!!
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Useless thread is useless.
Thread closed .

You could purchase Tegra Overclock to overclock the GPU.
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Wtf
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Sorry but some people are acting arrogantly without knowledge imo
Kernel wise, some features and kernel driver improvements can be ported. While its not possible to port things like the a15 architecture and hardware improvements, some kernel things are possible
A genius by the name of tripnraver on the one x ported some tegra 4 features to his tetra 3 one x kernel.. These included the improved smartdimmer and support for some new graphics related code. It can be seen on his got
Sorry to burst any bubbles and if this thread is supposed to be closed.. But yeah my 2 cents, for jumping on the ops back without evidence
Cheers

poondog said:
Sorry but some people are acting arrogantly without knowledge imo
Kernel wise, some features and kernel driver improvements can be ported. While its not possible to port things like the a15 architecture and hardware improvements, some kernel things are possible
A genius by the name of tripnraver on the one x ported some tegra 4 features to his tetra 3 one x kernel.. These included the improved smartdimmer and support for some new graphics related code. It can be seen on his got
Sorry to burst any bubbles and if this thread is supposed to be closed.. But yeah my 2 cents, for jumping on the ops back without evidence
Cheers
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10 points for the attempt at white knighting. However he specifically asks about grpaphics. and we both know thats not possible.

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10 points for the attempt at white knighting. However he specifically asks about grpaphics. and we both know thats not possible.
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Hmm true but some graphics drivers do see an improvement in the graphics performance
But yeah the way its been put, not possible

poondog said:
Hmm true but some graphics drivers do see an improvement in the graphics performance
But yeah the way its been put, not possible
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yeah. i came across rather prickish. but what i think hes after is a way to tell games he running a T4

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yeah. i came across rather prickish. but what i think hes after is a way to tell games he running a T4
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haha not your fault, everyone else did the same and its tempting
If you want to do that.. easiest way is to change build.prop to spoof your game into thinking it is a Tegra 4 device eg. Shield or whatever. We did this on Incredible S to run games for GS2 back in the day

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How can I make my nexus 7 think it has a tegra 4 chip for better graphics on games?
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Putting the tablet in a pink case helps..Also you will need a tegra 4 sticker

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IPhone 5 beats nexus 7 and gs3 in benchmarks?

Did anyone hear about this? Apparently the iPhone 5 beat the nexus 7 and gs3 in benchmarks
These were the scores
IPhone : 1601
Nexus 7 : 1591
Samsung galaxy s3 : 1560
I don't put much emphasis on benchmarks because I know the scores really don't tell u anything compared to actually using the phone for performance. However, I do think the only reason why iPhone won here is because the OS doesn't do very much multitasking so it may be a bit faster in that regard
Any thoughts?
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Benchmarks aren't meant to be compared between different OS's. The iPhone has a lower screen resolution, an OS that works completely different than Android and FSM knows what else Apple did with it's internals.
http://www.androidauthority.com/iph...ch-benchmark-certain-conditions-apply-115393/
That's the link to the story
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http://browser.primatelabs.com/android-benchmarks
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I knew that benchmark scores were nothing, but wat do u think of this nonsense?
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MRsf27 said:
I knew that benchmark scores were nothing, but wat do u think of this nonsense?
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I think Apple fanboys are having a field day with the report of higher benchmark scores. I would love to see what the gs3 pulls with Jellybean running on it.
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so, whats ur point?
i dont think benchmarks do any differences.. I THINK.
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I knew that benchmark scores were nothing, but wat do u think of this nonsense?
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You're not listening. Results between devices with different screen resolutions aren't comparable. The iPhone has 294400 less pixels in it's screen, so it uses less processing power to display images for the test. Ergo the tests aren't comparable.
As you said yourself in the OP, benchmarks don't mean anything at all, to be honest.
The only true way of noticing the difference between devices is to own the devices and using them. No benchmark ever can create a score based on pure usability.
I'm a product of the system I was born to destroy!
The S3 score is wrong. S3 scored 1751 (i posted the link in my previous post).
LordManhattan said:
The S3 score is wrong. S3 scored 1751 (i posted the link in my previous post).
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yeah apparently that benchmark score is with jellybean already running on the S3. Says so in the link that i provided as well.
"063_XOBX" look man, I really don't care about the benchmark scores; I just want to know what people think of this ludicrous article. I was reading the comments and its absurd. Some people really do care about these numbers. IMO, all this article and apple have in common is the number. the price for the iPhone 5 lol
Yeah, but then if you OC that iPhone 5, install a custom iOS build, tweaks, etc.... oh, ****. That's Android. My bad.
Ooooh right so comparing benchmarks of two devices using different os platforms. This is sick they should just take iPhone off benchmarking ,it's os uses less resources and it still has a small screen, soo WTF are they saying
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Benchmarks aren't meant to be compared between different OS's. The iPhone has a lower screen resolution, an OS that works completely different than Android and FSM knows what else Apple did with it's internals.
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Yup GS3 has 720p while iPhone has (560 something) so yea
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There's a LOT of iPhone5/iOS6 threads about. We don't need another one, especially one that was started because of a fanboy article. So, I shall be closing this thread.
Besides, I have bacon soap. Your argument is invalid.
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GTA Vice City on Android

yup. thats about it. what are your thought on this? Do you think they'll port any newer gta games on thier 10th anniversary?because next is gta san andreas and thats the best of them all
Would be nice to have sa. They release sa on psn
Right know only GTA 3 is available on my tablet
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LINK: https://picasaweb.google.com/104543707432259116396/December162012#5822639854904523906
here is a picture since no one can see the game since its not compatible for vivid. *facepalm*
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LINK: https://picasaweb.google.com/104543707432259116396/December162012#5822639854904523906
here is a picture since no one can see the game since its not compatible for vivid. *facepalm*
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I've gotten the game using....other methods....and it lags like hell. There's a good reaon why its not compatible
Nah it should run flawlessly on the vivid, after all this is still a powerful chipset and a very common one. It's because rock star tests their games on every device before they remove the market filter and they most likely are unaware of this devices existence
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Cor-master said:
Nah it should run flawlessly on the vivid, after all this is still a powerful chipset and a very common one. It's because rock star tests their games on every device before they remove the market filter and they most likely are unaware of this devices existence
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Yeah, I'm not sure if Rockstar listens to customer feedback from their tech support, but I was one of the people contacting Rockstar support in order to inform them of all of the phones with similar chipsets that were compatible with Max Payne.
The Vivid wasn't on their pre-release list of compatible phones for that game, but, when they finally did release it, it's listed as compatible and available for us on the market.
If you want Vice City (or other Rockstar games), I'd suggest reaching out to support and list other phones they list as compatible with MSM8660 chipsets. Who knows, it might make all the difference.
i now play this game. but have a problem with me
when i want to ride a car my phone got freez and after 5 sec it restart :crying:
msm8660 are enough powerfull to play this game.
did you think, maybe it because rom (i use cm10)
its a HW issue.
l0000l said:
i now play this game. but have a problem with me
when i want to ride a car my phone got freez and after 5 sec it restart :crying:
msm8660 are enough powerfull to play this game.
did you think, maybe it because rom (i use cm10)
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Xperia S has the same MSM8660 chip. and same bug occurs on it, once u get in a car, it crashes the phone.
youtube.com/watch?v=tHqOZ6dXnF8
we need to email rockstar guys.
It works on Xperia play (duh, single core with adreno 205) and it is compatible with HTC rezound (msm8660 and adreno 220) then why not our devices? ..... Vice city does not work on my EVO 3D as well, same hardware as HTC rezound and Xperia S.
i had a version of gta3 that ran perfectly on my vivid...that i obtained from other means as well. It would sometimes have issues getting back to the menu once the game started. I have since lost that version and cannot find one that runs correctly now.
haven't checked out and VCs yet....but gta3 was a battery KILLER
IzeBerg said:
i had a version of gta3 that ran perfectly on my vivid...that i obtained from other means as well. It would sometimes have issues getting back to the menu once the game started. I have since lost that version and cannot find one that runs correctly now.
haven't checked out and VCs yet....but gta3 was a battery KILLER
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GTA3 runs perfectly without any issues on adreno 220 devices......
camo_flage said:
I've gotten the game using....other methods....and it lags like hell. There's a good reaon why its not compatible
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Not for me make sure he overlays etc are enanbled
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[POLL] CPU Binning

Hey fellow Nexus 4 owners, I heard a lot of rumors that the "Nexus 4 uses left-over parts" from the Optimus G. To that end, I want to find out the general quality of our CPUs.
Basically, when Qualcomm makes the APQ8064 chip that you see in our Nexus 4, there are 4 different "types" based on how it meets their quality standards. These are Slow, Nominal, Fast, and Faster. The main difference IIRC between these types is how stable each can handle undervolting. CPUs that are "Fast" for example come pre-configured at a lower nominal voltage than a "Nominal" type CPU, and more so than a "Slow" type. (Does this account for how some people's phones generate less heat? Maybe, maybe not. IIRC, there's like only a -100mV difference between Faster and Slow out of the box, however Faster CPUs should be able to handle lower voltages than Slow-type.)
To find out what binned CPU you have, I recommend the following:
YOU MUST BE ROOTED!
1) Install Terminal Emulator
2) Reboot your phone
3) Open Terminal Emulator, and type:
Code:
su
dmesg | grep PVS
A line should be outputted that tells you what type you have.
For example, mine is NOMINAL. http://i.imgur.com/MUXrs.png
Please post your results in the following poll! (This poll began on /r/Nexus4, so rather than recreating the poll using XDA's system, I'm hoping to just get more results from here.)
http://poll.pollcode.com/qars3c
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I guess I got lucky, mine says "Fast"
timgt said:
I guess I got lucky, mine says "Fast"
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according to the poll, most people have fast..
faster would be "lucky" ^^
Yeah, the average so far seems to be "Fast." Please post in the poll whatever results you get! I would like to see a good sample size from this!
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The CPU doesn't have anything to do with LG using leftover parts or not. It's Qualcomm that does the binning, not LG.
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red12355 said:
The CPU doesn't have anything to do with LG using leftover parts or not. It's Qualcomm that does the binning, not LG.
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I know.. read my post. I want to dispel that rumor.
Fast
Faster..
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I got fast
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Fast
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Yes *****es, I got faster variant.
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shipped 15th december
Can you also post when you got your phone shipped? Maybe different shipping time means you got different model?
What does this actually mean?
Eric-1987 said:
What does this actually mean?
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It means more people will cry and return their phone.
Nvm I'm retarded
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ChongoDroid said:
Does this not work on PA? Not getting an output.. I'll try this on stock
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Reboot. I had the same problem, I was like oh I already have terminal emulator installed, I'll just type it. Still requires a reboot, then type it
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Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie (Build KRS36B) Spotted Running On Nexus 4

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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/06/android-5-0-key-lime-pie-spotted-running-on-nexus-4-and-7/
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/0...roid-build-krs36b-first-sign-of-key-lime-pie/
TechnoBuffalo reads it as KRS368 on the Nexus 7 and KRS365 on the N4, but I see it as KRS36B, which makes more sense since recent builds of Jelly Bean have a letter at the end of the build number.
Pretty interesting stuff. It's exciting to see that they already have it running on the devices. :good:
Wasn't something similar spotted days before Google I/O?
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I din't want the build number, I want the build!
Cool...bring it on!
It's not called KeyLime Pie anyway, that is something the media invented.
Sources in Google tell me it was always Knickerbocker Glory.
Sweet hope it makes 4.3 slow
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I guess technobuffalo have a different understanding of "spotted" than I do....
From a Nexus 4 bathing in Jelly Beans
Logomotph said:
I guess technobuffalo have a different understanding of "spotted" than I do....
From a Nexus 4 bathing in Jelly Beans
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Lol ya think! I was hoping for an actual picture of the actual phone.
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At least it confirms klp might be next we just got 4.3 so don't expect leaked pictures or videos lol
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randomnoob83 said:
we just got 4.3 so don't expect leaked pictures or videos lol
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devs would get crazy
ccab said:
devs would get crazy
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Ya a whole lotta flashing would be happening guys wouldnt sleep:laugh:
4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck.
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IOS 7?
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meangreenie said:
4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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Whoa, for being on XDA's forum about Google's newest 'developer' phone, in a thread talking about the Android OS, you sound pretty pessimistic about the whole operation.
Have you seen this?
Jean-Baptiste Quéru
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Well, I see that people have figured out why I'm quitting AOSP.
There's no point being the maintainer of an Operating System that can't boot to the home screen on its flagship device for lack of GPU support, especially when I'm getting the blame for something that I don't have authority to fix myself and that I had anticipated and escalated more than 6 months ahead.
ccab said:
devs would get crazy :d
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may this for n4?
Marcb said:
Have you seen this?
Jean-Baptiste Quéru
14:36
Well, I see that people have figured out why I'm quitting AOSP.
There's no point being the maintainer of an Operating System that can't boot to the home screen on its flagship device for lack of GPU support, especially when I'm getting the blame for something that I don't have authority to fix myself and that I had anticipated and escalated more than 6 months ahead.
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More info... http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...om-ever-being-published-jbq-strongly-implies/
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meangreenie said:
4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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I think you need a syringe full of apple, and go to town on that high and mighty fictional escapade you've done..and apple products are bricks and worthless every year with no resale value and only a ignorant hipster generation won't believe it
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Cream$ickleHJ said:
I think you need a syringe full of apple, and go to town on that high and mighty fictional escapade you've done..and apple products are bricks and worthless every year with no resale value and only a ignorant hipster generation won't believe it
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ewww, apple? nah I'm an android guy.
my comments were, fairly obviously??, tongue in cheek
ccab said:
I din't want the build number, I want the build!
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word :good:

Phoneblocks, future phone design?

Somebody just sent me this:
http://phoneblocks.com/
Do you guys think this would actually be something? This actually would be great!
What do you think?
In my opinion this would be the invention of the world, this way phones last like forever, you can design your own phone, how you want it, fast cpu but low bad camera? Or cameraphone with slower cpu and more memory?
Sent from sending thing..
Yes this'll be gr8
hope there's a casing though :sly:
Ugly
If this thing takes off, it will take over the mobile industry. I thing that they should also have a os blok so that you can run Ubuntu, Android, iOS or anything else you want.
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Cooptx said:
If this thing takes off, it will take over the mobile industry. I thing that they should also have a os blok so that you can run Ubuntu, Android, iOS or anything else you want.
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IOS!? The second they do that, they will be sued to oblivion.
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@LoopDoGG79 with permissions of course silly.
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@LoopDoGG79 with permissions of course silly.
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Good luck getting permission from Apple.
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Making Phonebloks is like trying to say iPhones will run Android OS, and/or you will be able to time travel in 2 minutes.
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I don't know how they will get an OS to boot
Now I am no dev, but as far as I got the porting thing right, you have to have kinda simmilar hardware to port from that phone to yours and only then your port will boot on your phone...if I got that right: what will happen when you just change the CPU of your phoneblock? Will your OS be able to boot again? Or do you have to do a full wipe, flash a new ROM and then you change the CPU in order to get the phone running with the new block of Cpu
If I didn't get that porting thing right, would be nice if someone explains it^^
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Capitalist companies will burn that idea to hell. Just like a century ago when Tesla proposed free energy and they all ruined it.
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Vauvenal7 said:
I don't know how they will get an OS to boot
Now I am no dev, but as far as I got the porting thing right, you have to have kinda simmilar hardware to port from that phone to yours and only then your port will boot on your phone...if I got that right: what will happen when you just change the CPU of your phoneblock? Will your OS be able to boot again? Or do you have to do a full wipe, flash a new ROM and then you change the CPU in order to get the phone running with the new block of Cpu
If I didn't get that porting thing right, would be nice if someone explains it^^
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It's no different than a PC. People have been upgrading PCs for years in this exact way.
It looks fugly though, and has corners that could take out everyone's eyes with one throw.
Archer said:
It's no different than a PC. People have been upgrading PCs for years in this exact way.
It looks fugly though, and has corners that could take out everyone's eyes with one throw.
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Ahh but the manufacturers made that on purpose - nifty feature since it can be used as a deadly weapon.
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