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Lost my patience with Android

Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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I just switched from Windows Phone ( HD7 ) to Galaxy Note. If you think the situation with updates looks any better on Windows Phone - you're wrong mate. Been waiting for Mango quite a long time - when it arrived, i had to flash a stock rom from other device cause they cut some features from it ( like internet sharing ) which are still oficially not there for some devices ( half a year later! ). There's next update Tango coming - which doesn't actually bring anything new except of low-end device support. And Apollo is scheduled for Q4 - and 1st gen devices "probably won't be getting it"
At least, with Android, you've got custom ROMs that get updated really quickly, big dev scene, the ability to install apps from all sources - and code/test/share your own apps without paying annual fee for having your phone dev-unlocked, and they don't cut features "just because there's a new device - so go buy it".
I love Windows Phone - as a regular phone. I kept waiting and waiting for changes - but the OS is still as locked down as it was in the beginning, no "not from market" apps, no drag-and-drop media, most of apps still dont support multitasking, cant even access your files, and apps from the market, believe me, are not that useful - that's why i moved away to Android.
I'd give it another thought mate - and about Note being laggy - try ICS AOSP rom, they run really smoothly.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Good riddance, bro. Want some cheese with that whine?
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007shaolin said:
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Laggy as Hell ??? what the hell ? you want to take advantage of openness of Android and still u whinin? lots of custom rom already running smooth on Note...
i m using stock LC2 n its really smooth

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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I've never had any problems with Samsung's phones. The leaks provide enough of a base for us to get ICS working and Damn near perfect. I'm running an AOKP build with nearly Zero bugs and get almost 5-6 hours of SCREEN ON time per day with nearly 3 days of battery life with my usual texting and web surfing. Android is about being open, and as far as I'm concerned it is. Running ICS, I have had Zero lag, only one minor glitch (which is fixed in updated builds), better battery life than most of my friend's phones, a huge screen, and a OS that isn't crazy limited. If you change, it's obviously up to you, but I would go and test the many ICS roms out there like AOKP or ICStunner as they are simply amazing.
If you would rather have the WP7 then go for it. There's no point in us trying to convince you otherwise if you really have your mind set to it.

i was fan of android but the updates man o man do it 1 time in a month or so but every 2 a 3 day....update update....
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I got my device in december, and I've received 3 updates (maybe 4) since then. That's a lot of updates. I have no complaints. What you're whining about is not getting the absolute latest OS build right away. I'd much rather have Samsung pushing updates that make it a stable device than Samsung sending us crappy builds. That would defer me, and I'm sure many others who don't like to flash custom ROMs and such, to other devices. I believe Samsung is doing the correct thing and waiting until the ROM is properly developed.
Enjoy WM7. A lot of people seem to enjoy it! I was actually thinking about it, too, a while ago, but it kind of follows Apple's model of multitasking and that doesn't do it for me. Blackberry and Android are the OSs that offer true multitasking (webOS, too, but that seems to be dead in the eyes of HP/Palm lol).

The Note isn't laggy, Gingerbread is. ICS is silky smooth. Samsung needs to hurry up and get ICS on the Note because it shackles such a wonderful device. It's like Apple running the new iPad with iOS 3.0. Your phone is only as good as your software is, and Gingerbread is an antiquated POS.

I lose my patience on Android Market here in Finland, because it sucks compared to the USA Market and App Store.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Sell your Note and get a Windows Phone is my advice. That way you'll be moaning in somebody else's forum instead of ours.
I've had WinMo, iPhone, Symbian and more recently Android and Google's contribution is by far the best.

SaneQ said:
I lose my patience on Android Market here in Finland, because it sucks compared to the USA Market and App Store.
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You can use market enabler and choose tmobile profile and then you can install every us app that you want. Restart and you will be using default provider flags again. So, there is no problem.
I am using lc1 stock rom, the best out there in my opinion, everything works and pretty fast too.
WP7 is no where near WM6.5 in terms of functionality and way behind Android, IOS too. Android is the best choose in terms of functionality and practicality from all the smartphone OSes out there.

007shaolin said:
Had anyone here lost their patience with updates to android phones? I was an android fan. Peoples and manufactures tell us about all the possibilities it have, how open it was, all the features, all the promises.
But then i saw it was all a lie, when updates come with a half year or longer in delay. And developers cant do anything before a leak (im not blaming developers), so whats the deal with an open os?
My next phone is a windows mobile phone for sure.
(Yes, i have a galaxy note. Laggy as hell)
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Honestly shaolin it's people like you that makes devs abandon XDA for whining about everything and everyone! Go.. get a windows phone and when you do and see how limited windows phone is DON'T COME BACK! Stay away from XDA and honestly i hope i can speak in the name of the whole community:
Don't ever come to this forum whining!
I won a Galaxy Note and honestly, i bought my SGS2 without ever had tried Android and i love the possibilities it brings me! The openess on developing!
I simply love it! Had my first chance on SGS2 and i will continue to use this awesome SO!
Please ask an admin to ban your account and go somewhere else!

Bye bye. Enjoy whatever phone you'll be getting. Just remember, it's just a phone at the end of the day.

Im not the only one
Funny! zdnet journalist have the same thought as I do. you can read it here. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/im-sick-to-death-of-android/20242
Even Galaxy Nexus have delay in updates.

007shaolin said:
Funny! zdnet journalist have the same thought as I do. you can read it here. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/im-sick-to-death-of-android/20242
Even Galaxy Nexus have delay in updates.
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I don't get folks like you. You actually purchase a phone for what it will be, as opposed to what it is.
Do you only live in the future? Don't forget the present mate.
If you're so unhappy with the lack of updates or the speed of updates, go get iOS and WP7. No one is grabbing you by the ball-sack to stay with Androids.
P.S. Requested to mods that this thread be moved to Android General as it has nothing to do with the Galaxy Note.

Actually I dont even want an update from Samsung any more,yesterday I recirved an update for the Samsung Apps after updating it stoped downloading applications alltogether!!,
"You cant download with this email from this country" bla ..bla..there was no way Icould fix that even after signing up for multiple new accounts.
If things will look like this I rather be left along with the GB.

Moved to teh OT forum as they will advice you better on what to do about your quandary
May the trolls have mercy on your soul mate.

You have a 1.4GHz dual core phone and Mali 400MP GPU and say it lags. My friend has a Wildfire that has a clock speed of 524MHz and no GPU and even he isn't complaining as much as you. Why don't you donate him your phone and make the good switch to Symbian S60?

what is even the point of this thread? It appears you looking to justify your feelings because you read an article and lack confidence to buy a new phone without a thread of people you don't know making a decision for you.
android is great

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Saving to google contacts by default

Hello. I have a few questions for JB. I was expecting most of these to be gone, but still haven't found a solution so I thought I'd ask.
So, is there a way to save contacts to google contacts BY DEFAULT?

scooterlord said:
Hello. I have a few questions for JB. I was expecting most of these to be gone, but still haven't found a solution so I thought I'd ask.
So, is there a way to save contacts to google contacts BY DEFAULT?
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They do, don't they? I don't think anyone's gonna give you a mod just so you don't have to tap one window before you add a contact
Sent from my rooted P880

I wasn't expecting a mod, maybe something I missed out. That's why I hate my switch from iOS to android. In iOS you have every feature you could have thought to need, just waiting for you to use it.

I'm sorry, but I can't help from laughing at that comment!!

Tcm9669 said:
I'm sorry, but I can't help from laughing at that comment!!
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:/ laugh all you want. Facts are facts.

scooterlord said:
I wasn't expecting a mod, maybe something I missed out. That's why I hate my switch from iOS to android. In iOS you have every feature you could have thought to need, just waiting for you to use it.
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You're actually kidding right? IOS is the most bland closed featureless system there is. Lets see what android can do that IOS can't
1. Insert SDcard
2. No limits on how big apps are when downloading with 3G
3. Live wallpaper
4. Install stuff from anywhere you want, no jailbreak (root to us) required
5. Better specs, cheaper price
6. Root, roms etc
7. Don't need itunes to move files around
8. Themes
9. £30 to repair in a shop instead of over £100
10. You're in the wrong place to insult android, go away
Sent from my rooted P880

@non4 said:
You're actually kidding right? IOS is the most bland closed featureless system there is. Lets see what android can do that IOS can't
1. Insert SDcard
2. No limits on how big apps are when downloading with 3G
3. Live wallpaper
4. Install stuff from anywhere you want, no jailbreak (root to us) required
5. Better specs, cheaper price
6. Root, roms etc
7. Don't need itunes to move files around
8. Themes
9. £30 to repair in a shop instead of over £100
10. You're in the wrong place to insult android, go away
Sent from my rooted P880
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Although I wasn't expecting this kind of answer, I will still reply. I am not a fanboy, both oses have their pros and cons. Hardware-wise, android might be one generation ahead (check your list above), but software-wise it has a long way to mature until it reaches iOS standards.
You might feel like you have freedom, but probably have been visiting this forum waiting for the unlocked bootloader - so, the need to jailbreak is the same as this one. Once jailbroken on the iphone, you have no need of itunes, no need of anything. As for sds, batteris etc, personally I never ran out of data space on my 16gb device.
What android users don't see (or can't accept) for the apple devices are three things.
a) Accessories - tell me if you have found a decent case/car mount/pod base/WHATEVER for your android device.
b) the iOS experience is the same EVERY SINGLE TIME. No lags, no hangups. Once speedy-ALWAYS speedy. Just try one and see. I don't know why android keeps re-optimizing my email, I don't know why sometimes a 4-core cellphone lags to enter the call list, sometimes lags even on the home screen - never happened on my..(wait for it) 3GS!
c) Apple Store is AGES ahead play store - quality stuff ONLY. Keep in mind that devs use iOS to develop and PORT to android later.
As I said.. facts are facts.

Want a closed up featureless OS that is a compleate waste for more powerfull phones?
Check out Windows Phone.
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scooterlord said:
a) Accessories - tell me if you have found a decent case/car mount/pod base/WHATEVER for your android device.
b) the iOS experience is the same EVERY SINGLE TIME. No lags, no hangups. Once speedy-ALWAYS speedy. Just try one and see. I don't know why android keeps re-optimizing my email, I don't know why sometimes a 4-core cellphone lags to enter the call list, sometimes lags even on the home screen - never happened on my..(wait for it) 3GS!
c) Apple Store is AGES ahead play store - quality stuff ONLY. Keep in mind that devs use iOS to develop and PORT to android later.
As I said.. facts are facts.
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I have to say he is right on this one... I have an iPod Touch 4 and it hardly lags with anything.
As for the Store, they have only quality stuff because App Store carefully checks every submission to see if it's worthy to end up there.
Developers pay 100$ to submit an app, so you can bet yourself they will work hard on it.
Android takes 30$ for submission, you can submit an app that only had a big red button to open google and it'll still end up in Play Store.

I had an iphone and I hated it, got straight back to android as soon as I could. What apple really does is block good devs from getting their apps in, look at kaalus having issues with survivalcraft, and they do let junk on there too. Its smooth, but thats it, my o4x is smooth too. I don't give a damn about cases, and as for the bootloader thats unfortunate but I still choose android. Android is open source and its functionality can be expanded a lot more than iphone without even rooting it. Its a closed system designed to filter all your money to apple. And not to mention they break so damn easy!
Sent from my rooted P880

and do you know why devs start dev'ing on iOS phones? cause they're all the same... same size, HW and so on. it is way harder to develop an android app, cause you need to support (LDPI), MDPI, HDPI, XHDPI, completely different chipsets/hardware in general. and another question? do you know why it is "smooth"? because you need to optimize the rom only one time and it fits to all devices. BTW, have you ever seen a real custom rom or even a recovery on an apple device? i haven't.
if you know what you're doing, android is way better than iOS. it can be way smoother and faster. and the most important thing about android: it is OPEN SOURCE.
if you hate android that much, why did you even buy it? you're of course free to leave.
So let's keep it with that and back to topic.

laufersteppenwolf said:
and do you know why devs start dev'ing on iOS phones? cause they're all the same... same size, HW and so on. it is way harder to develop an android app, cause you need to support (LDPI), MDPI, HDPI, XHDPI, completely different chipsets/hardware in general. and another question? do you know why it is "smooth"? because you need to optimize the rom only one time and it fits to all devices. BTW, have you ever seen a real custom rom or even a recovery on an apple device? i haven't.
if you know what you're doing, android is way better than iOS. it can be way smoother and faster. and the most important thing about android: it is OPEN SOURCE.
if you hate android that much, why did you even buy it? you're of course free to leave.
So let's keep it with that and back to topic.
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It's not that I hate Android, it's just that I find iOS better in some cases. And that's about it. The phone I got as a gift, and previously being an owner of an android tablet I thought I'd adjust and see great improvements - which unfortunately I didn't. It's just a matter of preference though and it stems from the individual's needs.
As you said, back to topic, is there a solution to what I am asking? I saw my friends Galaxy S3 last night and he selects it only ONCE and it's autoselected after that. So, any ideas?

scooterlord said:
It's not that I hate Android, it's just that I find iOS better in some cases. And that's about it. The phone I got as a gift, and previously being an owner of an android tablet I thought I'd adjust and see great improvements - which unfortunately I didn't. It's just a matter of preference though and it stems from the individual's needs.
As you said, back to topic, is there a solution to what I am asking? I saw my friends Galaxy S3 last night and he selects it only ONCE and it's autoselected after that. So, any ideas?
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Maybe there is on s3, but not ours as far as I know. I don't see the big deal at all, you got arthritis in your thumb? No but seriously I don't know just tap the option and live with it if someone knows they will surely tell you
Sent from my rooted P880

scooterlord said:
I wasn't expecting a mod, maybe something I missed out. That's why I hate my switch from iOS to android. In iOS you have every feature you could have thought to need, just waiting for you to use it.
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I just wanted to fix this for you, since this is the basis of this argument:
In iOS you have every feature you're used to just the way you like it*.
* - or the way you're used to - sometimes it's hard to tell the difference, since "the way you like it" is usually as good as the best way you found of doing something.. if something better comes along, it becomes "the way you like it".
IMO, the great thing about Android is that you can adapt the features to the way you want it. Same thing goes for LG's UI and Sammy's TouchWiz - if you don't like the things they added to the stock Android, you can install a launcher more suited to your needs (and more flexible too). Same goes for the basic apps for SMS, Email, etc. And you might think the iOS does it right on the first try (as do some Nexus users), but the fact you have alternatives is a plus for me.
And the reason it's not completely Off-Topic is this: the same applies to your question. The S3 might have something done differently than the LG, because they made different design choices. Some people might not liking to have every contact of theirs in their Google account (as many are still distrustful of Google's privacy rules), so LG preferred to have people choose everytime. S3 chose a set-it-and-forget-it POV, which some people might prefer, while others might not. And if you don't like the way it is in the phone you got, just get an app that does it the way you want it.
Or develop it (another HUGE plus for Android, IMO).

skryptus said:
I just wanted to fix this for you, since this is the basis of this argument:
In iOS you have every feature you're used to just the way you like it*.
* - or the way you're used to - sometimes it's hard to tell the difference, since "the way you like it" is usually as good as the best way you found of doing something.. if something better comes along, it becomes "the way you like it".
IMO, the great thing about Android is that you can adapt the features to the way you want it. Same thing goes for LG's UI and Sammy's TouchWiz - if you don't like the things they added to the stock Android, you can install a launcher more suited to your needs (and more flexible too). Same goes for the basic apps for SMS, Email, etc. And you might think the iOS does it right on the first try (as do some Nexus users), but the fact you have alternatives is a plus for me.
And the reason it's not completely Off-Topic is this: the same applies to your question. The S3 might have something done differently than the LG, because they made different design choices. Some people might not liking to have every contact of theirs in their Google account (as many are still distrustful of Google's privacy rules), so LG preferred to have people choose everytime. S3 chose a set-it-and-forget-it POV, which some people might prefer, while others might not. And if you don't like the way it is in the phone you got, just get an app that does it the way you want it.
Or develop it (another HUGE plus for Android, IMO).
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Very well said. Trouble with apple is it does it one way, and only one way. With android theres several ways to do one thing. The longer you use android the more shortcuts you can learn and it really starts to flow, android grows on you, apple is more noob friendly
Sent from my rooted P880

It's not a big deal but I'd like to automatic save my contacts on google acount or smartphone memory, cause I use to forget to tick the option and my contacts keep beeing saved on the SIM card.

back on topic, default save location
So... I used search and found this iphone rant, instead of trying to post something in a new topic, lets do something insane and try to get an XDA topic back ON topic
Previous phones supported default save locations so I thought i missed something, here are tutorials for other roms:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/20432/android-auto-save-contacts-to-phone-or-sim-card-by-default/
http://genius-tips.com/change-default-save-location-for-contacts-in-android/
Why it matters, I quickly save contacts without looking at the location and later discover they are gone, this is because I only show google contacts.

[Q] Buy Xperia Z or not?

Hey folks,
I'm currently using the HTC One S which is the worst and buggiest of a so called "smart"phone I've ever used. It often crashes, if the camera works is a gamble and the strange home button bug, which constantly presses the home button by itself, annoyingly interrupts everything.
It seems to be the time to get a new phone. This time I want to be sure to really get a smartphone which is not only smart but does not have that much bugs, too. To put it short I'd like to have a phone I can trust. I think the Xperia Z might be the phone of choice, but I also read many reports and threads talking about bugs like "sudden death" or problems with wifi when bluetooth is enabled.
With this post I ask you, as Xperia Z users, to tell me your honest opinion about it. Are you satisfied with it? Would you buy it again? Would you recommend it? Is it relaiable? Are there any bugs constantly interrupting you?
Another candidate for me might be the Galaxy S4 but since I do not really like Samsung and hate the phone's outer appearance I'd better like the Xperia. Do you agree?
I'd be very grateful if you reply to give me another point of view on this awesome (?) phone.
Greetings Max
P.S. I'm from german and I mostly read or hear english texts, but do not write them on my own so please forgive me any error I did. I hope you can understand me.

Wait for the Honami before making your decision. Some say that the Honami will come out in some parts of Asia at the end of this month.

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Wait for the Honami before making your decision. Some say that the Honami will come out in some parts of Asia at the end of this month.
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Thanks for the hint but I think I won't be able to get the phone in Germany when it is published in Asia or am I wrong? Another doubt I have about this phone is that it and its bugs would be unknown when published. I bought my current One S on the first day it was available since everyone was sure it'll be a great phone. Nobody new about the s*** HTC did to it. Learning from that I'd rather take a phone which has been out for a while, like the Xperia Z.
Besides all this I'll keep the Honami in mind so thanks again for the information.
Max

Well if s4 is an option then why Vue consider ONE, i know your experiences with HTC might have made up your mind not to go with another HTC device anytime soon btw do check our reviews and forums of one its loads better than one and looks like HTC has learnt and rectified a few of their mistakes. Now coming to Z - i wouldn't really recommend going for Z at this point of time not that Z is bad or has any deal breaking bugs but still its outdated compared to today's flagships devices and hence one needs to be skeptical about how future proof it is. Having said all this my advice would be to wait a bit longer because there are rumours afloat of even a refreshed Z with more recent SOC

MrDuvet said:
Thanks for the hint but I think I won't be able to get the phone in Germany when it is published in Asia or am I wrong? Another doubt I have about this phone is that it and its bugs would be unknown when published. I bought my current One S on the first day it was available since everyone was sure it'll be a great phone. Nobody new about the s*** HTC did to it. Learning from that I'd rather take a phone which has been out for a while, like the Xperia Z.
Besides all this I'll keep the Honami in mind so thanks again for the information.
Max
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Nein! The phone will be released in Asia first and then the rest of the world will follow. So it would just be a matter of waiting.
If you still want to go for the XZ then I'd still suggest to wait till the Honami comes out, that might make the XZ cheaper
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Well if s4 is an option then why Vue consider ONE, i know your experiences with HTC might have made up your mind not to go with another HTC device anytime soon btw do check our reviews and forums of one its loads better than one and looks like HTC has learnt and rectified a few of their mistakes. Now coming to Z - i wouldn't really recommend going for Z at this point of time not that Z is bad or has any deal breaking bugs but still its outdated compared to today's flagships devices and hence one needs to be skeptical about how future proof it is. Having said all this my advice would be to wait a bit longer because there are rumours afloat of even a refreshed Z with more recent SOC
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Yeah that's true.
I'd also choose between the S4 and the XZ
S4: Lots of custom roms, lots of updates to come because of the Google edition.
XZ: Looks way better then the S4 in my opinion, but also a bit more fragile?
Lots more updates to come because of the Honami ports, Google Edition.
Have a more unique phone compared to most people that have either an iPhone or a Samsung.

Thanks for your detailed replies!
@nikufellow: You are right. I don't trust HTC anymore and although I like the design of the One the missing sd card slot bothers me. The One S teached me how annoying it is to always watch the space. E.g at the moment I have to move some music to my notebook in order to be able to do a nandroid backup. That sucks. So thanks for your advice but I'd rather stay with a device providing the ability to extend storage.
Anyway a Xz with updated SOC or Honami would be really great but I think I can't wait much longer. Firstly I'd like to sell my One S on ebay as long as it brings in some money and secondly I get freaking crazy with this bug...
I guess an updated Xz won't be able to run the currently available ROMs but I love CM and would like to run it on Xz, too. Do you think that devs will make the work to port the current Xz's CM to the updated one? There are also two types of One S with different SOCs and the S3-One S is mostly put in second place meaning less ROMS and Kernels. I'd like to avoid this with Xz...
Max

Get the HTC One, and I say this as a guy who for the last month was considering getting the Z, but today I had them both in my hands, and it is obvious(atleast to me) the One is superior, not just specswise. Sure I'll miss the water proof/dust proof features of the Z, but the One is awesome.

It's my plan to visit a store an watch them all in reallife and include this experiences into my decision. But currently that's not quite possible since I'm stuck on an island for holyday Relay nice but no tech stores
Thanks anyway for the advice. I'll pay attention to the One.

After reading and watching dozens of reviews on the HTC One it really seems to be a pretty and fast device. I'll have to see it in real life to decide if it's worth it to give HTC a second chance. But there is still one thing that really bugs me. Why the hell did they just put two buttons on the damn phone?! It was a desaster on the One S to always have the three-dot-menu-button-bar at the bottom of every unsupported app and even though HTC fixed that in 4.2.2. it's still not acceptable to have two buttons instead of three -.-

What is the latest stock status of LG V40?

What is the latest stock status of LG V40?
(a pure stock device that has never been rooted, never custom rommed, and updated only trough OTA)
I mean:
- which version of Android does it have?
- what is the latest security patch? ex. March 2019?
- is the user interface just like in V30 with Android 8? (a user interface is like in samsung - TouchWizz, SamsungExperiance, One UI)
- was there ever a change of user interface?

Untouched, pure stock, updated on Verizon, in the US. Whatever launcher comes next, I'm sticking with Nova!
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Untouched, pure stock, updated on Verizon, in the US. Whatever launcher comes next, I'm sticking with Nova! View attachment 4735851
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But can You tell me is it the same user interface as in V30 Oreo? How to check it?

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But can You tell me is it the same user interface as in V30 Oreo? How to check it?
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I think youtube reviews would give you a good idea and you can compare yourself by watching it.
Many people here may not have had v30 before.

I dare say, most likely. I never gave it a try, though. Nova a long favorite!
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Not the same as V30. Same as the G7. LG UX 7.0.
Different icons, theme, and upgraded stock apps.

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Not the same as V30. Same as the G7. LG UX 7.0.
Different icons, theme, and upgraded stock apps.
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1. The V30 and V40 user interface is called Nova?
2. I like V30 for NOT being flooded with a lot of options. I like auto everything or minimum settings/options. Is V40 in that way closer to V30 (which has little options) or does it have huge amount of thiungs that can be set? (maybe how much more #)

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Not the same as V30. Same as the G7. LG UX 7.0.
Different icons, theme, and upgraded stock apps.
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Lg g8 has ux 8.0 and skin is very beautiful

androidbadboy said:
THANK YOU ALL FOR REPLY - ALL GET 1+ THANKS
1. The V30 and V40 user interface is called Nova?
2. I like V30 for NOT being flooded with a lot of options. I like auto everything or minimum settings/options. Is V40 in that way closer to V30 (which has little options) or does it have huge amount of thiungs that can be set? (maybe how much more #)
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It's still just called LG UX in official documentation.
LG haven't pulled a Samsung or a Huawei. The V40/G7 software really only differs from the V30 in small ways, like the icon pack/theme and upgraded stock apps I mentioned. There are more options for the AoD including a colour picker (which has since been delivered to the V30 with an update in January 2019), the notch background options, the Knock Code entry field is bigger, the wallpaper settings are easier to access, and there's a revamped swipe-up app drawer option. I am a big fan of LG's UX. You won't be missing anything in software from the V30, and what is new is welcome. Themes can now enable the Google Feed if that's of interest.
The new Pie-based UX on the G8 series is nice too.
All phones need taming, no matter the brand, but I find there are fewer steps to get an LG device the way I like it than the myriad of should-be-on-by-default/should-be-off-by-default settings in Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi et al. For some reason (likely the same reasons Samsung has for doing it) the V40 is set to FHD+ out of the box but that's about it over the V30.

onslaught86 said:
It's still just called LG UX in official documentation.
LG haven't pulled a Samsung or a Huawei. The V40/G7 software really only differs from the V30 in small ways, like the icon pack/theme and upgraded stock apps I mentioned. There are more options for the AoD including a colour picker (which has since been delivered to the V30 with an update in January 2019), the notch background options, the Knock Code entry field is bigger, the wallpaper settings are easier to access, and there's a revamped swipe-up app drawer option. I am a big fan of LG's UX. You won't be missing anything in software from the V30, and what is new is welcome. Themes can now enable the Google Feed if that's of interest.
The new Pie-based UX on the G8 series is nice too.
All phones need taming, no matter the brand, but I find there are fewer steps to get an LG device the way I like it than the myriad of should-be-on-by-default/should-be-off-by-default settings in Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi et al. For some reason (likely the same reasons Samsung has for doing it) the V40 is set to FHD+ out of the box but that's about it over the V30.
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My English is bad so please forgive me if I ask when You mention Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi do You have on Your mind the tons of options a user has to set in a new phone?

androidbadboy said:
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My English is bad so please forgive me if I ask when You mention Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi do You have on Your mind the tons of options a user has to set in a new phone?
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Yes.
There is a difference between many settings that can be changed if you like (choice) and many settings that must be changed for a good experience (design).
The location of those settings and the ease with which they are changed matter also - sometimes a key setting is four or five menus deep on other brands. Samsung used to be bad at this and have improved, Huawei are now the worst offender. System-wide dark mode on Huawei OLED devices is called "Darken interface colours" under settings/battery for example.
For LG the most useful hidden features are rearranging/adding to the navigation buttons, and changing the "swipe to search" on the homescreen from slow "personal" results to fast "full Google search" but Google have broken this last one in their redesign to the Google app.

onslaught86 said:
Yes.
There is a difference between many settings that can be changed if you like (choice) and many settings that must be changed for a good experience (design).
The location of those settings and the ease with which they are changed matter also - sometimes a key setting is four or five menus deep on other brands. Samsung used to be bad at this and have improved, Huawei are now the worst offender. System-wide dark mode on Huawei OLED devices is called "Darken interface colours" under settings/battery for example.
For LG the most useful hidden features are rearranging/adding to the navigation buttons, and changing the "swipe to search" on the homescreen from slow "personal" results to fast "full Google search" but Google have broken this last one in their redesign to the Google app.
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Thanks again,
so may I ask a bold question like...... Is LG the best at producing simple-settings phones in terms of amount, deep, ease etc. Which other brand is close to LG in the simpleness (excluding Iphone of course)?

androidbadboy said:
Thanks again,
so may I ask a bold question like...... Is LG the best at producing simple-settings phones in terms of amount, deep, ease etc. Which other brand is close to LG in the simpleness (excluding Iphone of course)?
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No, but I don't think there is an objective best at this.
Everyone's needs and preferences are different. What works for you may not work for me, what is simple and easy for you may be complex and frustrating for me. Thankfully the market for smartphones is diverse and competitive, there is a lot of choice.
Evaluating smartphones and their software is part of my work. LG offers me the combination of features and hardware I find most pleasing and useful. Others have their strengths too.
If your priority is as few settings as possible, take a look at Moto/Nokia/Pixel/other vanilla derivatives or iOS. All phones can be used straight out of the box, it is up to you whether that experience is one you prefer or enjoy - Google Photos as the only gallery app for example. LG offers a feature-complete experience similar to Samsung and Huawei, it's just less intrusive and gets out of the way.
Meizu's Flyme and Oppo's ColorOS are simplified. Unfortunately they deviate so far from Android conventions that they are unpleasant to use as features do not work as expected or have been removed entirely.

onslaught86 said:
No, but I don't think there is an objective best at this.
Everyone's needs and preferences are different. What works for you may not work for me, what is simple and easy for you may be complex and frustrating for me. Thankfully the market for smartphones is diverse and competitive, there is a lot of choice.
Evaluating smartphones and their software is part of my work. LG offers me the combination of features and hardware I find most pleasing and useful. Others have their strengths too.
If your priority is as few settings as possible, take a look at Moto/Nokia/Pixel/other vanilla derivatives or iOS. All phones can be used straight out of the box, it is up to you whether that experience is one you prefer or enjoy - Google Photos as the only gallery app for example. LG offers a feature-complete experience similar to Samsung and Huawei, it's just less intrusive and gets out of the way.
Meizu's Flyme and Oppo's ColorOS are simplified. Unfortunately they deviate so far from Android conventions that they are unpleasant to use as features do not work as expected or have been removed entirely.
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1. "Moto/Nokia/Pixel/" - You mean Andoid One phones?
2. "other vanilla derivatives" - what does it mean? what is vanilla?
3. Perhaps I forgot to mention that iOS is out of the question for me.

Oneplus 3T got first beta of PIE..... ONEPLUS 3T..... And we are here with the phone that they stop carrying about months after release and released new bunch of phones already like v40 never happened. I'm disappointed.

Probably brought the Droid curse with me, when I crossed over into LG. Sorry, folks. [emoji53]
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Oneplus 3T got first beta of PIE..... ONEPLUS 3T..... And we are here with the phone that they stop carrying about months after release and released new bunch of phones already like v40 never happened. I'm disappointed.
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Excuse me dude, but what the heck are You trying to say My English is bad - sorry.

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1. "Moto/Nokia/Pixel/" - You mean Andoid One phones?
2. "other vanilla derivatives" - what does it mean? what is vanilla?
3. Perhaps I forgot to mention that iOS is out of the question for me.
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Not Android One specifically. There is no such thing as 'pure' Android anymore and never really was, they are all slightly different even between Android One-branded devices. Pixel Android is different from Moto Android is different from Nokia Android. Instead you can group different versions of Android together to get an idea of what they have in common. Moto, Google, and Nokia are all very similar, more in common than not. Vanilla. Bare bones, you need to download a lot of third party apps to get the functionality that's present out of the box from others. If you want fewer options, these are the ones to go for. However, you may find yourself missing some features or apps if you're used to other brands.
Sony and OnePlus are similar as well but they have additional out of box functionality, like dedicated gallery apps instead of just Google Photos.
Then there are the more feature-complete experiences. Samsung, Huawei, LG, Xiaomi. Everything you need out of the box, just add the core third party apps. Can customise more if you need to. Lots of features but they're optional. You get a complete package. This is what most people who aren't smartphone enthusiasts prefer.
Lastly there are the wildly divergent versions like ColorOS and Flyme. Xiaomi's MIUI, Samsung's One UI, and Huawei's EMUI are also quite far removed from the more vanilla versions, but Oppo's ColorOS and Meizu's Flyme are a step beyond. This is because of the Great Firewall in China, all Google services are blocked and local equivalents exist to replace them, along with other localised features relevant to that market. Xiaomi and Huawei do a good job of making a global version that behaves more like other global Android phones, Oppo and Meizu not so much. ColorOS and Flyme will not behave as expected and break/change some basic elements like the way notifications work.
I like LG for the unique features and because it gets out of the way. Samsung's software is full of dark patterns designed to lock you in, and still has lots of questionable functions like Bixby and a Places feature in the dialer. Huawei's is good, but it has gone backwards in the last version. OnePlus is good, Xiaomi is good, both have a lot of options and OnePlus is better 'out of the box'. What you prefer will depend on your specific needs and preferences.

onslaught86 said:
Not Android One specifically. There is no such thing as 'pure' Android anymore and never really was, they are all slightly different even between Android One-branded devices. Pixel Android is different from Moto Android is different from Nokia Android. Instead you can group different versions of Android together to get an idea of what they have in common. Moto, Google, and Nokia are all very similar, more in common than not. Vanilla. Bare bones, you need to download a lot of third party apps to get the functionality that's present out of the box from others. If you want fewer options, these are the ones to go for. However, you may find yourself missing some features or apps if you're used to other brands.
Sony and OnePlus are similar as well but they have additional out of box functionality, like dedicated gallery apps instead of just Google Photos.
Then there are the more feature-complete experiences. Samsung, Huawei, LG, Xiaomi. Everything you need out of the box, just add the core third party apps. Can customise more if you need to. Lots of features but they're optional. You get a complete package. This is what most people who aren't smartphone enthusiasts prefer.
Lastly there are the wildly divergent versions like ColorOS and Flyme. Xiaomi's MIUI, Samsung's One UI, and Huawei's EMUI are also quite far removed from the more vanilla versions, but Oppo's ColorOS and Meizu's Flyme are a step beyond. This is because of the Great Firewall in China, all Google services are blocked and local equivalents exist to replace them, along with other localised features relevant to that market. Xiaomi and Huawei do a good job of making a global version that behaves more like other global Android phones, Oppo and Meizu not so much. ColorOS and Flyme will not behave as expected and break/change some basic elements like the way notifications work.
I like LG for the unique features and because it gets out of the way. Samsung's software is full of dark patterns designed to lock you in, and still has lots of questionable functions like Bixby and a Places feature in the dialer. Huawei's is good, but it has gone backwards in the last version. OnePlus is good, Xiaomi is good, both have a lot of options and OnePlus is better 'out of the box'. What you prefer will depend on your specific needs and preferences.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An overwhelming reply, fully loaded with info
+1 THANK YOU!!!!
1. I can see in Your sig that You've gone trough pretty much every major category of mobile devices.
2. Did You enjoy IPhones? Why did You abandon them since you' were upgrading to newer hardware versions?
3. What is that vanilla?
4. Can You share your opinon, pros and cons of Huawei Mate 20 Pro cause I read everywhere that it is the best phone right now and it hasn't got any bad opinions?
5. What is it in LG V40 that makes You stay with that phone?
6. I have a huge problem with LG V30, I have left only 3 days to test it. Please give me advice what shall I test to make a final decision: staying with the device or not?
7. Thank You for being here with us

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An overwhelming reply, fully loaded with info
+1 THANK YOU!!!!
1. I can see in Your sig that You've gone trough pretty much every major category of mobile devices.
2. Did You enjoy IPhones? Why did You abandon them since you' were upgrading to newer hardware versions?
3. What is that vanilla?
4. Can You share your opinon, pros and cons of Huawei Mate 20 Pro cause I read everywhere that it is the best phone right now and it hasn't got any bad opinions?
5. What is it in LG V40 that makes You stay with that phone?
6. I have a huge problem with LG V30, I have left only 3 days to test it. Please give me advice what shall I test to make a final decision: staying with the device or not?
7. Thank You for being here with us
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Happy to help. I work in the industry and am always interested in sharing what I can.
I have used many more phones than are listed in my signature, those are just the ones I have personally owned and used as daily drivers for long periods of time. It may not be up to date, I jumped from V30 to Mate 20 Pro and now to V40.
On iPhones: After Samsung's poor optimisation of software for the large screens of Galaxy Notes + apps of the time being poorly optimised for large screens as well, Apple finally made an iPhone that was large enough for my needs in the 6 Plus. I have owned 6 Plus, 6s Plus, 7 Plus, and 8 Plus, and I have spent enough time with the X/XS Max/XR to know they are not for me. The grass was not greener, just different.
iPhones and iOS are fine. They are functional and reliable, good at doing what things iOS is set up to do well. They are a good choice for people who do not want to spend too much time thinking about or researching their phones, which is fair. iOS is not set up to do many other things well, and both hardware and software iterate slowly. Web browsing is a great example. Apple's professors are exceptionally good and the browsing experience in Safari is very fast and enjoyable, however Safari itself has a dated UI/UX that lags far behind equivalents on Android like Samsung's internet browser. You can use other browsers on iOS, but they are crippled in comparison to Safari, and offer a poor experience - you still cannot set default apps either. Third party keyboards are a mess. Apple's cameras have been left far behind their competition. Their industrial design is dated and inelegant. There are benefits to being in Apple's ecosystem, but the drawbacks are too many, and most notably, the price of entry is far too high. It is not worth it for what you get, especially if you're outside the US and iMessage is meaningless + there are much higher prices and zero warranty/service differentiation.
Google updates core Android apps all the time. Apple updates core iOS apps very slowly. For all the press Apple get for iOS updates, they are slow to make meaningful changes. When there is a major bug, it is difficult or impossible to fix yourself or roll back, you must wait for Apple to patch in weeks or months or longer. iOS 11 was a disaster and ruined my 7 Plus.
I may return to iOS if it gets the massive overhaul it sorely needs, especially to the home screen/launcher experience, and finally gets haptic feedback in the keyboard (Gboard on iOS has just added haptics, although they are poor). I left because Apple has been left behind. It is a good platform, you just need to know what you're getting into.
Vanilla = plain, basic, default. The closest you can buy on a commercial device to AOSP. Now that Google has abstracted so much of Android into Google Services, the base version of Android matters less than ever before, and the vast majority of innovation has been in 'skins' for the last 2-3+ years.
I enjoy and recommend the Mate 20 Pro. It has excellent battery life, ridiculously fast 40W charging that can change how you use a phone (no need to charge overnight when it goes from 30% to 75% in under 15mins), and some very clever camera tricks. The automatic portrait mode is one of the best features, there is no need to manually select portrait mode as the camera will jump straight to portrait by itself when it detects a face. Speaking of faces, Mate 20 Pro has real 3D face unlock, very welcome as I cannot stand the slow and poor under-screen fingerprint sensors (including the Mate 20 Pro's). Kirin 980 is an excellent chipset too. The Mate 20 Pro was the only thing which made me shift from the V30, which remains my favourite phone I've ever used, finally displacing the HTC HD2.
The problems with the Mate 20 Pro for me lie firstly in software - EMUI 9 is not as good or polished as EMUI 5/8, with bugs and jank, and it has now been locked down considerably. First by the region of the unit you buy, and then further by the SIM card inserted. This will determine what software builds you receive and when. It can also break things if you travel and put a different SIM in and receive an update which clashes with the region software to break CTS/SafetyNet/Google Pay. EMUI 9.1 on the P30 series fixes many issues, although it is uncertain if or when this will come to the Mate 20 Pro. You cannot easily switch regions or rebrand either.
In hardware, the screen is not the best, and critically for my needs the haptic feedback is very poor. I spend a lot of time writing email and the like from my phone as it is a work tool as well, and having been spoiled by the advanced haptics in the V30 and several Meizu phones, anything else is bad in comparison. I don't like Samsung's haptics either, and Apple's aren't used in the keyboard. LG's haptics are incredible, and integrating them throughout the UI/UX makes their phones delightful to use.
I missed several other features of the V30, including the excellent Always On Display, the seven-icon dock, double tap to sleep/wake, the thin/light design, the Quad DAC, and the manual camera. The V40 is really only a minor improvement over the V30, with a better/taller screen, boombox speaker, better cameras with telephoto, additional front camera, and SD845. Battery life is thankfully still very good, the haptics are still brilliant. I feel the V30's ergonomics were better than the V40's. The V30 is amazing and should go down in history as one of the most underrated phones to date.
I have specifically chosen the V40 as it delivers several key features that the Mate 20 Pro did not.
As for what else you should test out, that depends what you've tried so far and what you're looking for. How long you will use and keep your phone, and what your budget is, and what is available for you to buy. The V30 is great. The V40 is the V30 with a few improvements. The V50 launches in Korea this month and I would sorely like to own one as it has 855, 4000mAh battery, and LG UX with Pie out of the box - although the larger battery will make it much heavier.
The LG G8s is coming, and I like it more than the smaller G8. OnePlus will have something new soon for sure. Huawei's P30 Pro is compelling, although I prefer Mate 20 Pro for 1440p and 3D face unlock. Xiaomi are good and cheap. Moto are doing interesting things this year. Maybe the Galaxy Note 10 will be good. Etc etc. There is always something new on the horizon.

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Hi
I am fairly new to this. I flashed some iPhones in the beginning when they arrived Europe, but haven't done anything like that since. I want to try my ways around this s10 when it arrives in a few days.
I want to use the tech of this phone, but I still want to clean it up as much as possible to get rid of as much proprietary software as possible.
Where do I start and what are the advantages and disadvantages of installing your own ROM (hope I use the terminology right)?

Welcome to XDA
Stay with Android 10 or 9. I run stock N10+'s and simply use a package disabler and Karma Firewall. I like Samsung's UI so I don't disable everything in sight. It's not necessary or even desirable. I deal with problem apps on a case by case basis. I also lock down OTA updates completely, upgrades tend to break things especially after Android 10.
My current stock Android 9* load is over 1.5 yo, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission with minimal maintenance. Functionality, stability and ease of maintenance are some of the reasons I run stock. Plan and simple though I not willing to risk bricking a valuable device to yield a time sucking device that likely will need extensive troubleshooting.
Also worth noting is if you root you will trip the Knox efuse. Can't go back from there. You'll lose some of Knox's core features like Secure Folder or Samsung Pay if they're any value to you. I don't use these.
Of course many here do root, design and run custom roms. If you choose to do so, XDA is like a candy store for you
*this stock version has proven to be fairly secure in spite of no updates... unless you do something stupid.

blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA
Stay with Android 10 or 9. I run stock N10+'s and simple use a package disabler and Karma Firewall. I like Samsung's UI so I don't disable everything in sight. It's not necessary or even desirable. I deal with problem apps on a case by case basis. I also lock down OTA updates completely, upgrades tend to break things especially after Android 10.
My current stock Android 9* load is over 1.5 yo, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission with minimal maintenance. Functionality, stability and ease of maintenance are some of the reasons I run stock. Plan and simple though I not willing to risk bricking a valuable device to yield a time sucking device that likely will need extensive troubleshooting.
Also worth noting is if you root you will trip the Knox efuse. Can't go back from there. You'll lose some of Knox's core features like Secure Folder or Samsung Pay if they're any value to you. I don't use these.
Of course many here do root, design and run custom roms. If you choose to do so, XDA is like a candy store for you
*this stock version has proven to be fairly secure in spite of no updates... unless you do something stupid.
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Thanks!
First thing that comes to mind is: Oh, is NFC not gonna work?
Is it the s10 that you got? What do you like the curved screen? I am having second thoughts on choice of modell because of that. Everything else is perfect though.

larshallen said:
Thanks!
First thing that comes to mind is: Oh, is NFC not gonna work?
Is it the s10 that you got? What do you like the curved screen? I am having second thoughts on choice of modell because of that. Everything else is perfect though.
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NFC, not sure about as I never use that feature anyway. Banking apps can be an issue.
Note 10+, my weapon of choice.
The curve screen is ok once you understand how to use for side screen apps like One Handed Operation plus and Edge. Doesn't interfere watching vids but occasionally gets in the way with cut/paste.
The square display corners and the AMOLED display plus it's 7mm thickness are some of its physical features I like. No cam hump like the N20U.

The other answers are good of course, so I'll try to spare everyone an essay and sorry if you've mentioned something already despite me reading the above. I'll also try to order this by what I personally think is the most important info.
1. Exynos and Snapdragon.
Two versions of the S10 series (and others):
Exynos -> non-USA (mostly) | SD -> USA.
-- Exynos is more open and has less disadvantages to modifications --
These refer to the two different CPUs across regions. This is important regardless of any major modifications like installing a custom ROM (I'll get to that). Even on this forum, people will post apps that they've made and state which model it's for. Apps that make use of S10 specific hardware like Camera apps (e.g. GCAM) may have one or two versions for the CPUs.
You said you ordered the phone, so I recommend you look up what CPU it is given its origin (seller might have gotten it elsewhere too).
2. Difficulty. This is not to discourage, just inform.
Samsung phones are relatively difficult to extensively modify.. in fact the company is known for being malicious about this; very annoying to be honest and people shouldn't tolerate it (but this is a political tangent with lots of varying opinions, haha).
Depending on your level of computer literacy making changes will go from seeming impossible and freaky... to just sometimes being tedious and irritating. Expect to make a mistake and have to factory reset the phone if you go hard in mods...
3. Knox (mentioned above). In simple terms, think of the Knox as an internal switch that flicks on if you make changes 'outside' the official Samsung ROM (i.e. One UI). Mainly rooting and custom ROMs. This is a permanent change.
It tells (only Samsung apps..), so general rule is it only matters if you care about Samsung apps as many will throw a tantrum over "tripping the Knox" :^(
IMO: It makes no difference unless you really do care about say using the Samsung pay app instead of Google pay. Honestly everything I can think of is done just as well or better by other companies. And it's a phone from 2019, not a Mustang (haha) so it's going to be worthless very soon, so don't stress and just do what you think you'll have more fun with.
4. Everything else! You'll have to look things up as it's extensive. Rooting = making yourself the highest user (aka admin / super user). Custom ROM = community built different versions of the Android OS, with ASOP (Pixel like) being the most common (yes there are non-android ROMs, but that's not in this scope, haha). Side-loading apps = installing .apk files you find on the internet instead of the Google Play Store or other major stores (won't trip Knox). Theming the official One UI ROM can be done with Samsung's theme park software, or with apps known as Hex and Synergy.
Enjoy!! Hope this post helps.

Oh and Custom Recovery = ... In simple terms a BIOS like software (what you can use when you start a computer to install an OS), you use these on phones for backups and installing Custom ROMs. Samsung has an official one called 'download mode' that you can use with either PC software Odin or Heimdall.
And pro-tip: if you change app settings to black (not just dark) where possible you'll save battery thanks to the amoled screen.
And do try to disable Samsung apps where possible even without modifications to the OS, they do drain battery power over time and you will see a difference if you compare several months from now.
Oh and not all SD versions are exclusive to the USA.. but that is mostly the rule. As a heads up.

With Samsung's many free icon packs and themes at the Galaxy Store you can customize your device, a lot and easily.
Use the Good Lock family of apps to customize the pull down notifications and more.
This is what my N10+ looks like on One UI with the free Galaxy Store add ons.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

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NFC, not sure about as I never use that feature anyway. Banking apps can be an issue.
Note 10+, my weapon of choice.
The curve screen is ok once you understand how to use for side screen apps like One Handed Operation plus and Edge. Doesn't interfere watching vids but occasionally gets in the way with cut/paste.
The square display corners and the AMOLED display plus it's 7mm thickness are some of its physical features I like. No cam hump like the N20U.
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Why would banking apps be an issue?

blackhawk said:
With Samsung's many free icon packs and themes at the Galaxy Store you can customize your device, a lot and easily.
Use the Good Lock family of apps to customize the pull down notifications and more.
This is what my N10+ looks like on One UI with the free Galaxy Store add ons.
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Great advice. Thanks

Grimslade said:
Oh and Custom Recovery = ... In simple terms a BIOS like software (what you can use when you start a computer to install an OS), you use these on phones for backups and installing Custom ROMs. Samsung has an official one called 'download mode' that you can use with either PC software Odin or Heimdall.
And pro-tip: if you change app settings to black (not just dark) where possible you'll save battery thanks to the amoled screen.
And do try to disable Samsung apps where possible even without modifications to the OS, they do drain battery power over time and you will see a difference if you compare several months from now.
Oh and not all SD versions are exclusive to the USA.. but that is mostly the rule. As a heads up.
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Is there good versions of Odin or Heimdall on Mac as well? I do not have a PC.
Saving battery with black setting on AMOLED is a freaking great advice!
I would mostly like to find a SD-version with 256 gb drive and 8 gb RAM of the s10e. I live in Europe though and I can’t find it, at least not reasonably priced. But if do find this version I guess I can gCam it, yeah?

Grimslade said:
The other answers are good of course, so I'll try to spare everyone an essay and sorry if you've mentioned something already despite me reading the above. I'll also try to order this by what I personally think is the most important info.
1. Exynos and Snapdragon.
Two versions of the S10 series (and others):
Exynos -> non-USA (mostly) | SD -> USA.
-- Exynos is more open and has less disadvantages to modifications --
These refer to the two different CPUs across regions. This is important regardless of any major modifications like installing a custom ROM (I'll get to that). Even on this forum, people will post apps that they've made and state which model it's for. Apps that make use of S10 specific hardware like Camera apps (e.g. GCAM) may have one or two versions for the CPUs.
You said you ordered the phone, so I recommend you look up what CPU it is given its origin (seller might have gotten it elsewhere too).
2. Difficulty. This is not to discourage, just inform.
Samsung phones are relatively difficult to extensively modify.. in fact the company is known for being malicious about this; very annoying to be honest and people shouldn't tolerate it (but this is a political tangent with lots of varying opinions, haha).
Depending on your level of computer literacy making changes will go from seeming impossible and freaky... to just sometimes being tedious and irritating. Expect to make a mistake and have to factory reset the phone if you go hard in mods...
3. Knox (mentioned above). In simple terms, think of the Knox as an internal switch that flicks on if you make changes 'outside' the official Samsung ROM (i.e. One UI). Mainly rooting and custom ROMs. This is a permanent change.
It tells (only Samsung apps..), so general rule is it only matters if you care about Samsung apps as many will throw a tantrum over "tripping the Knox" :^(
IMO: It makes no difference unless you really do care about say using the Samsung pay app instead of Google pay. Honestly everything I can think of is done just as well or better by other companies. And it's a phone from 2019, not a Mustang (haha) so it's going to be worthless very soon, so don't stress and just do what you think you'll have more fun with.
4. Everything else! You'll have to look things up as it's extensive. Rooting = making yourself the highest user (aka admin / super user). Custom ROM = community built different versions of the Android OS, with ASOP (Pixel like) being the most common (yes there are non-android ROMs, but that's not in this scope, haha). Side-loading apps = installing .apk files you find on the internet instead of the Google Play Store or other major stores (won't trip Knox). Theming the official One UI ROM can be done with Samsung's theme park software, or with apps known as Hex and Synergy.
Enjoy!! Hope this post helps.
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1. I think I will reorder the phone, like suggested in the last message. I have noticed that I am annoyed by the idea of having a curved edged screen. So I will go with the s10e instead, I think. But I don’t like the fact that it has less RAM. I have an idea that I will use the MHL-support and use the phone as a simple workstation and my feeling is that 8gb RAM will get me much further on a project like that. What’s your opinion on this?
2. The question lingers in me if rooting the device is necessary. I would surely like to get rid of bloatware and optimize the phone for longevity and then I am curious about integrity in terms of sharing information. What is really necessary and how far can I go without rooting?
3. Can you verify that NFC and Phone Pay-options still work if KNOX is switched? This is vital information for me.
4. Good info.
Addition: You have mentioned gCam and I wonder if gCam can be used on both SD-version of these phones AND Exynos?

Oh come on, man you're picky Mr Fancy "I don't like curved phones"... I was just about to ask what the hell are you doing? And recommend the Oppo X rollable, but I guess "screw me" right? Pffft. Whatever. Fine... I don't care.
I'm messing around obviously. Lol. You do you.
Banking apps can be an issue if you root your phone (people can confuse this, but keep in mind that's not the same thing as a custom ROM). It completely depends on the bank, I've used three [Australian] banks on a rooted phone that I didn't bother hiding (this is known as passing the safety-net, means Google can't detect you've rooted the phone and as I said I wasn't bothering at that point).
And it's not that hard to pass the safety-net anyway.
Rooting a phone can be quite glamourous (haha) but it does require some technical literacy to maintain it at a level with no disadvantages.
You can install a custom ROM and not root it. For example, Pixel Experience is highly regarded and it will pass the safety-net by default, just as if you bought the phone with it installed by default.
Honestly though if you are concerned I'd suggest just sticking with the default ONE UI rom.. at least for a couple of weeks and then decide if you want to use a custom ROM.
I can't in good faith recommend a recent Samsung phone if you're interested in modifications and it's your first time doing so.. they're arguably the most aggressive manufacturer with regard to all this.
HOWEVER, if you're simply worried about bloated system apps, you can get a boost with legitimate apps like CCleaner that help automate force stopping them. And that's with no modifications. You can use what's known as ADB commands which is essentially just hooking it up to your Mac and granting yourself slightly elevated user access. I'm pretty sure you can even uninstall some proprietary apps that you couldn't otherwise.
- Yes, Heimdall works on Mac.
- as for a workstation though, are you referring to using DEX? If so, I'd stick to ONE UI. DEX is proprietary and it currently isn't included in any non-ONE UI ROM.. I believe custom ONE UI ROMs have DEX, but you'd have to double check.. again at that point though I really seeing you having a bad time given your lack of experience... Jesus man, slow down you hectic maniac!! Ha, no, you can do whatever you like but it's just a friendly word of warning. I mean, that's why you posted this on the first place, right?
Yes, you can use desktop mode on other phones and ROMs but it's not a mainstream official process, you have to set it up and tinker yourself, in constrast to ONE UI in which it is literally propriety software that's covered in the cost of your Samsung phone.
... Let me put it in perspective, if you root your phone at times it's like using Linux PC, you'll even very likely have to come across having to use a command line (and this is especially the case with recent Samsung phones). Android does use the Linux kernel after all, and you're forcing your way into root (admin) access. Just a custom ROM without root is a bit easier, but you'll have to decide if something like Pixel Experience is a better fit for you than ONE UI. Which is going to a bit of effort that I personally see as unnecessary stress for someone who's just bought a new phone. You know my opinion anyway, I'd say chill for a few weeks first.
What else?... Oh! GCAM and Snapdragons.. I haven't looked into it, but I can at least tell you that if there is a SD fork it will not be the same .apk installer as the Exynos one.
I would recommend Exynos models... "Would"... I mean, I'm not going to because I don't want to argue with obsessed nerdy weirdos that spend way too much time writing gigantic messages on tech forums, ewww ...... Oh wait
.. hope this is informative!! Now if you excuse me... I'm off to rethink my life and cry myself to sleep.... Again!
Cheers.

Ah forgot to answer about NFC. In short yes. You'd just have to make sure whatever ROM you use has NFC support. And it very likely would so long as you install one that's been designed with your phone model in mind... That's what these forums are for!
The only maniacal company that checks for Knox is Samsung. So you can't use Samsung's pay app with a Knox tripped or other brand of phone. But!! That doesn't stop you using Google Pay. You just have to follow a guide on hiding that you've rooted the phone, IF of course you do root it.
Wow.. it is a lot of info huh? But I think that about covers it.

I'll write you later, bro! You are funny.