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Subject says it all, 200MHZ sometimes doesn't cut in, if we need the speed, what is the best app out there ?
Thanks in advance
Found the solution...
Thanks for looking at the thread ... It was shinny isn't it.
Don't waste your time, PPC CPU can't be overclocked
No?!?! look this!
xhtc said:
Don't waste your time, PPC CPU can't be overclocked
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You really need to do some research my friend.
Alright, let me save your time. Just search for Omapclockkeep, you'll clear your old taboo.
Just for the information, i have happily cruised my VIVA's CPU at 250MHZ, battery life is ok, not much affected.
Battery lasts 2 days with occasional WIFI plus Bluetooth.
3 apps
I've seen 3 apps so far that promisses the posibility to OC ppc...
Omapclockkeep
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Speed Booster
_www .teksoftco. com/index.php?section=speedbooster_
Pocket Hack Master
_www .wizcode. com/products/view/pocket_hack_master_
and pocket hack master even says it can prolong battery life (they also have another app called Pocket Battery Analyzer that seems good)
Anyone tried the apps? do they really work?
su8044 said:
I've seen 3 apps so far that promisses the posibility to OC ppc...
Omapclockkeep
(posted in this thread)
Speed Booster
_www .teksoftco. com/index.php?section=speedbooster_
Pocket Hack Master
_www .wizcode. com/products/view/pocket_hack_master_
and pocket hack master even says it can prolong battery life (they also have another app called Pocket Battery Analyzer that seems good)
Anyone tried the apps? do they really work?
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I am using Omap keep cause you can keep the default speed at ideal and as soon as you start using it, you can set the speed like 250 and gain the extra performance through overclocking...
I'm using Homescreen++, which has a great overclock utility called CPU Scaler. It dynamically overclocks the CPU when the phone actually requires it, therefore saving lots of battery life. It also reduces the speed when it's idle to save even more. You just give it a min, max and boost value(when apps are really demanding) and it does the rest. It also monitors power consumption(maH, mW) and CPU temp. Good stuff.
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I'm using Homescreen++, which has a great overclock utility called CPU Scaler. It dynamically overclocks the CPU when the phone actually requires it, therefore saving lots of battery life. It also reduces the speed when it's idle to save even more. You just give it a min, max and boost value(when apps are really demanding) and it does the rest. It also monitors power consumption(maH, mW) and CPU temp. Good stuff.
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I have used it and my personal experience of using PPC for last 5 years says anything that monitors eat battery...
haha, yeah obviously, but every bit counts, no?
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I use setcpu to do this.
Look into the governors, choose one.
Then choose the appropriate thresholds (in the advanced menu) for what you do.
It doesn't allow you to tweak per app, but tells the cpu governor at what %of cpu to move to the next cpu speed (up or down).
I set mine very low, as i care more about battery than performance. So my up threshold is like 95% or something.
But my down threshold is a lot more agressive.
But you do the opposite.
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Hello,
my question is regarding dynamic overclocking. I've used the ones that raise the speed when under a load - but my question is -
Is there a way to return to stock clocks after certain time?
Explanation:
situation1: I want to check new single mail or open new single IM or check university's website for some news, I want the device to be FAST as possible, nevermind the battery.
situation2: I want to use maps/navigation/IM/games/web browsing for longer period of time (hours?) with the screen on. I don't need all the power when I play solitaire, text on IM or browse not-so-important news websites.
I think when I've seen the realtime clock displayed on my phone it jumped to max clock right after I've clicked almost anything on the screen. I want the speed-up, but after certain period of time to stop doing this in favor of the battery life-time.
Any ideas how to do this? Thanks!
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Yes, just throttle the cpu to give you more power when you are sluggish. That could work for you.
Me? I have my droid do 110 when screen is off (works quite well!), and then I FORCE the unit to 1000 when plugged in. Besides that i throttle the cpu based on battery power: more cpu power with more battery life. Makes my droid last longer.
I might want to add a throttle up when sluggish and not in my personal battery red zone and a throttle down when the cpu gets too hot period.
Any cpu frequencies that you all would suggest?
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Thanks for the reply, but - think about this, I will start a 3D game, it will use 100% of the cpu so it would always stay at the highest possible frequency (+highest voltage). I don't want that.
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I dont get it?
You dont want max speed in game? Why do you overclock?
If the game requires 100%, the it will (and should) clock up.
As soon as the game doesnt, it will clock down (depends on your threshold).
The only other i could see, is to change the max clock rate in setcpu before you play the game. This will ensure it doesnt clock higher than your choice, but requires a manual step.
But seriously, if your cpu is pegged at 100, why would you not want it to step up the higher speed?
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MuF123 said:
exactly - I don't want minimum battery in game, that's why I don't want to overclock.
actually from the nature of 3d rendering I think every game will run at 100%, but the situation when the game hits the frame limiter (not likely on milestone).
I want snappy performance while doing few quick tasks:
e.g.: new IM comes, I want to unlock, load the application, get to the IM, reply, lock. (40seconds)
or
taking phone from cradle - I want the phone to load homescreen fast, rotate the screen, open phone app, to look at last missed call and call back (20seconds).
Battery life won't be affected by 40 or 20seconds of ~1100mhz, okay.
And then I start a game for a prolonged time. It will run smoothly even on 550MHz, the additional frames I see are just waste of battery = I don't want that.
So now I have two options - either run at max speed and it will be always fast and it will drain my battery when I decide to play for an hour.
OR
I can use default speeds for longer battery life for everything and I will wait an hour to rotate the screen in browser or IM app.
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You could compromise and find a max speed that you could undervolt to make it drain battery like stock. My 800mhz vsel is less than the default vsel @550. So the battery drain is less...
It requires some trial and error, but most "slight" overclocks (700,800; depends on the phone) can be configured to drain less than stock.
Of course, if you feel you need 1000 or 1100, this wont work as it requires increasing the vsel (or at least not decreasing it).
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Long time lurker, but 1st time poster.
I've noticed on my Revolution that the CPU always runs at 1ghz. I thought CPU throttling was a standard feature in android?
Anyhow I installed CPU tuner and I get much better standby battery life now (~2% drain/hr when not using phone vs. ~5% drain/hr on standby). The phone runs mostly at 124mhz w the screen off. My problem is my revolution reboots pretty frequently and sometimes even just completely shuts down w CPU tuner on. I still get reboots once in awhile w CPU tuner turned off, but much less frequently.
Anyone else having this problem? I also have green power running in the background to turn off the data connection w the screen off. Are you guys who use setCPU not getting reboots? If so I'll spend the $2 and give that a try.
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Long time lurker, but 1st time poster.
I've noticed on my Revolution that the CPU always runs at 1ghz. I thought CPU throttling was a standard feature in android?
Anyhow I installed CPU tuner and I get much better standby battery life now (~2% drain/hr when not using phone vs. ~5% drain/hr on standby). The phone runs mostly at 124mhz w the screen off. My problem is my revolution reboots pretty frequently and sometimes even just completely shuts down w CPU tuner on. I still get reboots once in awhile w CPU tuner turned off, but much less frequently.
Anyone else having this problem? I also have green power running in the background to turn off the data connection w the screen off. Are you guys who use setCPU not getting reboots? If so I'll spend the $2 and give that a try.
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I honestly don't think anyone has been messing with the CPU until the CM ROM is released.
hadookee said:
Long time lurker, but 1st time poster.
I've noticed on my Revolution that the CPU always runs at 1ghz. I thought CPU throttling was a standard feature in android?
Anyhow I installed CPU tuner and I get much better standby battery life now (~2% drain/hr when not using phone vs. ~5% drain/hr on standby). The phone runs mostly at 124mhz w the screen off. My problem is my revolution reboots pretty frequently and sometimes even just completely shuts down w CPU tuner on. I still get reboots once in awhile w CPU tuner turned off, but much less frequently.
Anyone else having this problem? I also have green power running in the background to turn off the data connection w the screen off. Are you guys who use setCPU not getting reboots? If so I'll spend the $2 and give that a try.
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As far as I've seen, the Revo's CPU does automatically speed scale to the necessary load.
If you're running lots of apps in the background, with the screen on Android will keep the cpu at full throttle to provide a smooth experience for you.
As soon as you turn off the screen, it will throttle it down as much as it can.
If the phone's rebooting on you, that's because whatever cpu tuner is doing may be keeping the cpu speed too low for the demand of the OS, then the watchdog kicks in when it thinks the cpu is stuck in a loop. (watchdog wants to be petted every 30 seconds, if the cpu misses that, the watchdog reboots the phone)
I use setcpu and have no reboot issues.
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I use android system info to show the CPU speed. It shows the % of time my revolution is running at each speed. W/o using a 3rd party app it always shows 100% at 1Ghz. W CPU tuner running it shows 50% at 122Mhz, 25% at 1Ghz, and 25% in between.
I don't think I'm running any apps thats sucking up a lot of CPU. I'm rooted w most of bloat removed.
Am I the only one not seeing any CPU throttle on stock?
i'm not seeing any throttling on stock.
setcpu drastically improved battery life when the phone's off, and no reboot issues.
some issues initially with the phone not throttling back up quickly enough when i got a call, making me unable to answer the call, but played with the settings and made it so it automatically throttles back up to 1024 when i get a call, and now it's fine.
Exactly Im much happier with my phone now. I had the same issue when I received a call but set up the profile as u did and have no problems at all
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i'm not seeing any throttling on stock.
setcpu drastically improved battery life when the phone's off, and no reboot issues.
some issues initially with the phone not throttling back up quickly enough when i got a call, making me unable to answer the call, but played with the settings and made it so it automatically throttles back up to 1024 when i get a call, and now it's fine.
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I am using setCPU as well with no issues. I have mine set were the screen is off it goes to 124 and clocks back up to full 1GHz when it is on. Helps greatly improve my battery.
So what settings do you use? I get really bad lag when waking my Revo. Sometimes it will reboot after waking too.
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I don't know if this is a CPU throttling issue, or a general REVO issue, but I get horrible horrible lag sometimes trying to get any programs to respond. Like press the home key, or click send, or anything like that. I'm running Decrap 1.1, I don't know if I have too many processes running or what.
Interesting. The Thunderbolt has the same issue. Is it the same CPU in that phone?
So just inherited my dads OG Droid. Currently rooted and runs Steel Droid (Mod Version 9000) and 2.6.32.9_RZ Kernel.
Phone is overclocked to 1GHz (125/1000 ONDEMAND).
Like the title says, the phone gets about 5 hours and then hit's 5% and keeps asking me to charge. If I charge it overnight and unplug it when it's 100%, it'll hit 90% idling (while I sleep) about 3 hours later.
Running Programs:
DSPManager
Words Free
Facebook
3D Digital Weather Cloc
News & Weather
3G Watchdog
Videos
SoundHound
Pandora
Temp+CPU V2
Now out of all the running apps, Pandora, Soundhound, News & Weather, 3G Watchdog, Temp+CPU, 3D Digital Clock are all widgets. Temp+CPU and 3D Digital clock are the only ones that actually run, the rest are just there in case I want to use them.
These stats today are from using Pandora for about an hour over Wifi.
Any ideas? Phone runs fine most of the time but I have seen the occasional lag where you have to click something 10 times before it opens.
I used to have a pretty big problem with battery life too, but even though I think they are somewhat silly and annoying the Easy Battery Saver app helped me quite a bit.
Wifi and using the speakers are heavy on battery life. Not sure how much difference it will make but try consolidating your widgets and app shortcuts to as few screens as possible.
Also your CPU governor might be set to something that lets the phone hog through anything at the sacrifice of battery. When i set my CPU to Performance my phone runs like a boss, while setting it to battery saver I get a little more lag but more battery, obviously. Not sure how/if your ROM will let you change that but it's something to look into.
I got it set to On Demand which might be the issue. The kernel is a low voltage kernel. How do ultra low voltage kernels run?
I did a battery calibration, downloaded Advanced Task Killer (Battery saver didn't work well, I'd always have an issue with 3G not activating) and got rid of all my widgets. Currently charging it up completely, I'll check it out tomorrow.
So the title is incorrect, it says 5 hours and 5% left. I checked the battery info at 5%. It said 4hr 4x min. About 10 minutes later it shut off so I didn't even get 5 hours to a full charge.
I don't have high expectations but coming from an Alias 2 that had the extended battery (I'd get a week of battery with my use), this is pretty disappointing.
Well I can tell you now, ondemand is NOT good for battery, what that governor does is make it so the CPU will go from MIN to MAX speed slots depending on what the phone needs, AFAIK it doesn't scale with need, it just goes to max. So your phones CPU was running at max most the time which kills battery.
Can't say anything about your ROM, but I use simply stunning 5.6 http://www.droidforums.net/forum/chevyno1/177728-ss-5-6-2-3-7-incl-1-battery-other-goodies.html Which, with his low voltage 1ghz kernel set to the smartass governor, I get anywhere from 8-14 hours of battery life depending on use. Using ultra low voltage kernels depend on your phone, some phones have trouble overclocking to 800mhz mid-voltage (mid-voltage is considered to be the most stable, but use the most battery), others can overclock to 1.25ghz ultra-low voltage, which is very rare. I would say try out all the different voltage kernels and see which one works best with your phone.
Also task killer = MAJOR MAJOR No no! The task killer will kill the apps, and the android OS will restart them, using more CPU time and making the battery actually not last as long, I would recommend learning how to use the supercharger script http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
Can't say much about the majority of programs you have running, but I've found facebook does not like to play nice with the Droid, also, why use the 3D clock when the Droid comes with a built in-clock app? Pandora uses a lot of battery, so running it w/ the ondemand governor is probably what hurt your battery there.
Not many Droid users left out there, but I was and still am an extremely avid Droid user, so if you have any more questions just shoot me a PM and I'll help as much as I can.
Thanks! I got rid of all my widgets and installed Chevy's ultra low voltage 1.1GHz kernel on smartass. I lost 20% battery pretty fast but let's see how long it runs. I've had no force close issues so far. I'm a bit tempted to go to 1.2GHz ulv.
How much does the ROM have to do with battery life? I really love this ROM and it's interface. I thought the battery life really only had to do with kernels.
I also got rid of the clock widget and put a default clock widget. What's the built in Android one? Is that the "Analog Clock"?
Sorry for all these questions, I'm pretty new to Android. Only had this for 2 days (~8-10 recharges...)
Its fine, better to question and learn then to just get mad and over it, and Roms have everything to do with battery, they are just like kernels, some work AMAZING on some phones, while others can destroy battery life.
Like my rom, I found the perfect one for my phone, I get 8- (been thinking about it more) 20 hours of battery life on mine and it has pretty amazing performance too with the occasional hiccup.
And I thought you had the clock app installed for an alarm, not for a widget, my bad. I don't use a clock widget so I wouldn't know.. Also, I've found its not very good to run many widgets on the Droid, as it has limited memory and can only handle so much.
Well I got sick of it and reflashed the entire ROM. CPU governer is set to ONDEMAND 125/1000. Only*widgets I have are a simple clock (like the iPhone lock screen) and power control. Gonna see how it goes. So far so good but I'm saying that because I didn't loose 20% overnight. If I can clear the day, I'm good.
googlelover, what CPU Governer did you find to work the best with your phone?
I have been an Android owner for a while now, with the Droid being my first. Until recently battery life had always been an issue for me. Undervolting has never had an effect over a 20% improvement. And this is only when it's in deep sleep. Otherwise, in very general terms, undervolting can require a higher current aka worse battery life if you use your phone a lot. With undervolting comes the risk of data corruption in your phones memory and SD Card. What really kills your phone is screen on time, wakelocks, CPU overclock, and signal quality.
The last you have no control of. But if you're overclocking 1GHz or higher you have to realize that's almost twice the manufactured clock speed. As far as wakelocks, this is when something keeps your phone from going into a low power state. This can happen because of a rogue app, a buggy ROM, or having too many widgets. I ran into a ROM a while ago on my Fascinate that would stay awake if you had GPS enabled. The best you can do with your display power usage is to keep your brightness down. Hope this explains a few things
have the same issue
core2kid said:
Well I got sick of it and reflashed the entire ROM. CPU governer is set to ONDEMAND 125/1000. Only*widgets I have are a simple clock (like the iPhone lock screen) and power control. Gonna see how it goes. So far so good but I'm saying that because I didn't loose 20% overnight. If I can clear the day, I'm good.
googlelover, what CPU Governer did you find to work the best with your phone?
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I already told you, the smartass governor, and like I said before, ondemand is not a good governor in my opinion. There are way to many factors in battery life to have anyone else be able to truly help you with it, all our phones are different and it really just takes time switching kernels, switching ROMs, etc to find what works with your phone
Sorry googlelover, I forgot you already said that.
So update guys. I've been going a day (so like 18 hours) of use after which it finally hits the 15% warning.
What I did:
Basically I reflashed the ROM and started from scratch. Before reflashing, I wiped the user data/cache/davick cache etc at least twice just to make sure it was really wiped.
I reflashed SteelDroid 9.0 with the default chevyno1 lv 1ghz kernel and gave it a go with just a simple clock widget. Worked well. One by one, I'm starting to install applications until I can figure out what was draining the battery fast. So far, so good. If I can get 18 hours on a 2 year old battery, I'm going to be doing fine with my extended battery.
One thing I did notice was that the phone back by the camera (where CPU is) isn't getting as hot as it used to. Makes me think that the phone was at a high clock speed in sleep. Another issue may have been my CPU temp/speed monitor. It was probably poling the CPU stats every second which made the phone increase the CPU speed because it sensed activity.
Try out the ROM I'm using. I absolutely love it. The interface is phenomenal and it runs very well.
htp://w w w . d r o i d f o r u m s . n e t /forum/steel-droid/148060-release-steel-droid-9-0-gingerbread-11-17-2011-a.html
(remove the spaces to see it, I wasn't able to post links normally because I don't have enough overall posts).
There's probably other ROMS that run better like the one googlelover is using, but I can't use the default Android interface anymore after using this.
core2kid said:
Sorry googlelover, I forgot you already said that.
So update guys. I've been going a day (so like 18 hours) of use after which it finally hits the 15% warning.
What I did:
Basically I reflashed the ROM and started from scratch. Before reflashing, I wiped the user data/cache/davick cache etc at least twice just to make sure it was really wiped.
I reflashed SteelDroid 9.0 with the default chevyno1 lv 1ghz kernel and gave it a go with just a simple clock widget. Worked well. One by one, I'm starting to install applications until I can figure out what was draining the battery fast. So far, so good. If I can get 18 hours on a 2 year old battery, I'm going to be doing fine with my extended battery.
One thing I did notice was that the phone back by the camera (where CPU is) isn't getting as hot as it used to. Makes me think that the phone was at a high clock speed in sleep. Another issue may have been my CPU temp/speed monitor. It was probably poling the CPU stats every second which made the phone increase the CPU speed because it sensed activity.
Try out the ROM I'm using. I absolutely love it. The interface is phenomenal and it runs very well.
htp://w w w . d r o i d f o r u m s . n e t /forum/steel-droid/148060-release-steel-droid-9-0-gingerbread-11-17-2011-a.html
(remove the spaces to see it, I wasn't able to post links normally because I don't have enough overall posts).
There's probably other ROMS that run better like the one googlelover is using, but I can't use the default Android interface anymore after using this.
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Don't forget not many roms have the default android interface, many have themes to completely change the look, if your happy where your phone is, great! But if you ever feel like your phone is slowing down again, I'd still recommend looking around and flashing some different roms.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm only using this phone for another couple months. I'll be getting the Droid 4 when it comes out. Looks like a really nice phone.
im just wondering how much does the governerr effect battary life? i changed from ondemand to smartass2 and im not sure i see any diffrent...
and im scheduales which one is best for multitasking and which is for when playing games?
and should i change the governerr setting?
i also read that sleep_ideal_frequency should be 200 and not 100 beacuse 100 wastes more or something like that, is that true?
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I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.
Lavoslav said:
I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.
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This is so wrong its a pain to read.:banghead: Why do we have the max and min frequency options in the semaphore app? Why do we have "Max Performance" and "Max Battery" power settings on laptops?
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There was a thread some while ago that concluded in OnDemand and Performance being to two to give longest battery life and best performance.
I don't have specifics or even a link, but the thread was about schedulers and governors and which went together for best performance and battery life. I'm sure it's google'able
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i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?
itzikd1 said:
i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?
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maybe you can try and tell us
There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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BlueFlame4 said:
There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?
itzikd1 said:
I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?
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Try OnDemand or SmartAssV2.