OK, so far we have some info on the D820 (via the FCC) and D821 (via the leaked service manual).
D820: LTE bands 2/4/5/17/25/26/41
D821: LTE B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20
D821 looks like a good match for European, African and most Asian LTE bands, and D820 looks like a match for American & South American LTE bands. China does not appear to be well covered by either model, so there may be a third model if the Nexus 5 is released there.
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UK:
D820: No carriers
D821: EE (3, 7, 20) 3, (3, 20), O2 (20), Vodafone (7, 20)
US:
D820: Sprint (25, 26, 41), AT&T (2, 4, 5, 17), T-Mobile (4)
D821: No carriers
Philippines
D820: Smart Communication (5)
D821: Smart Communication (1, 3, 5)
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Please post below with which model is supported by which carriers in your country, and I'll add it to the post.
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Two models, two spec revisions (with inexplicably lost bands), or the same model with bands 'locked off' for different region (is there a regulatory precedent for this, e.g. WiFi channel 14)? My guess is that the hardware is the same and the bands are locked off somewhere in the firmware, but maybe someone familiar with the chipsets can chime in as to their capabilities?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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Its possible that the bands are modem locked. ie with n4 lte band 4. We really won't be able to tell until we get our hands on one.
So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
Sprint supported. Hell yeah.
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So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
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Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
Sprint uses bands 25, 26, and 41 for U.S. version.
AT&T uses bands 4, and 17 on Nexus 5.
T-Mobile has just band 4 from the looks of it.
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Say it isn't so!
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Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
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Sorry, I shouldn't say official. It hasn't been announced but the bands listed above do not include Verizon's LTE network. Apparently it supports band 4 wich Verizon is supposed to roll out in the future but everyone else is supported in the US. Even US Cellular just no Verizon from the looks of it.
Ugh thanks. F Verizon. Haha
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So there is still a glimmer of hope haha, but knowing Verizon (angry Gnex owner here) and not carrying the Nexus 4, I would not be surprised if they don't support the N5.
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I don't know why they just don't do like the Nexus 7 2013 and just put the Verizon bands in there. Verizon won't be happy but with N7 owners, they were able to activate a SIM in another device, then put it in the N7 for service. They just couldn't activate the SIM in the N7.
Verizon is a pain. My GNex is feeling the pain of Verizon but still overall a great device with tons of dev support.
I do remember there being some issues with the GNex release about signal strength and had a technical support nightmare. Plus the problem of Google releasing CDMA source code in AOSP. Not sure how Sprint does it.
Even if Verizon LTE isn't supported now, would it still work for voice service (3G speeds)?
There is mention of the Radio having an adjustable tuner. Perhaps it can tune in to Verizon LTE unofficially.
Verizon uses LTE 13 currently but plans on expanding to 4.
Having Verizon LTE support is still moot if the CDMA voice fall back isn't there. This after all a phone and Verizon doesn't have vo/lte. This makes the the situation with the new N7 different.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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I've just dug in Google for a few minutes, and I can't find any info supporting this...the FCC seeks approval on all bands under its perview, to ensure there's no disruption to other frequencies. The fact its a 'world' band is immaterial for release in the US..it would still receive testing/verification.
I am a bit disappointed by the two models, would have preferred a single model that supports all the bands listed (don't know if that is technically possible yet). I travel a lot to the UK and it would have been nice to have LTE while there.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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Good catch! Didn't see that...but for the 820, we presently have:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ery-lte-802-11ac-wi-fi-and-wireless-charging/
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Can someone please confirm with a screen shot that the Developer Edition of the Moto X has band 4 LTE AWS support for VERIZON. The only reason I did not purchase a Dev Edition of the Moto X is because I contacted Moto (after scouring the Internet for specs, Dev Edition says 750 Mhz LTE ) support and they specifically told me Verizon Dev Edition doesn't support AWS Band 4 for verizon.
Thanks.
Well, when I put my T-Mobile SIM in, I get LTE. Since T-Mobile uses Band 4, and not Band 13, that would imply the Verizon Moto X supports Band 4 LTE.
But T-Mobile or Verizon sim installed in the phone, it never reports Band 13 or Band 4 when connected to LTE.
AWS Dev Edition.
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Well, when I put my T-Mobile SIM in, I get LTE. Since T-Mobile uses Band 4, and not Band 13, that would imply the Verizon Moto X supports Band 4 LTE.
But T-Mobile or Verizon sim installed in the phone, it
never reports Band 13 or Band 4 when connected to LTE.
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Yeah I've seen other reports of this. I was looking for proof from someone in a big city with Verizon's AWS network enabled to show me some really fast speed on a Verizon network.
Thanks for the reply though.
Does this help? Done the other night sitting in my living room... near Thorndale, PA... its not a big city, but its not bad.
And remember, just like with Band 13, there could be congestion on Band 4 LTE.. So don't expect speeds to always be this high... especially since AWS is 1700/2100Mhz so in building and such is not as good, and signal doesn't travel as from from the towers when compared to Band 4.
Oh, and here is a shot with my T-Mobile sim in my Verizon X. If the phone didn't support Band 4 I wouldn't get LTE on T-Mobile.
I've done speed tests on my dev x and at the same time ran a speed test on my wife's s3. I know the area has aws since my s4 showed I was connected to it. On the x I got about 70 mbps and on the s3 about 10 mbps. Aws is definitely supported on this phone.
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Does this help? Done the other night sitting in my living room... near Thorndale, PA... its not a big city, but its not bad.
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Hey, my former boss lives in Thorndale and I used to work in Downingtown. Small world.
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Hey, my former boss lives in Thorndale and I used to work in Downingtown. Small world.
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Yes. Very small. I live about 2 miles from the Thorndale SEPTA station.. Its called Romansville, but no one has heard of it, and we use Coatesville post office but thankfully that is all of coatesville we use!!
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Yes. Very small. I live about 2 miles from the Thorndale SEPTA station.. Its called Romansville, but no one has heard of it, and we use Coatesville post office but thankfully that is all of coatesville we use!!
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I dated a girl from Coatsville, hahaha. Ok, enough off-topic from me.
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Why would they put a chip in with different radio compatibility when all that is really different underneath is the bootloader?
Verizon
imnuts said:
Why would they put a chip in with different radio compatibility when all that is really different underneath is the bootloader?
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It's verizon. They disable things.
dmiramon said:
It's verizon. They disable things.
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Verizon didn't make the phone, Motorola did. If they put a different radio chip in, they'd have to pay for FCC testing/approval/certification on two devices, one of which is going to be a low sales model. Do you really think they'd offer it if they had to spend well over what they'd ever hope to make back for it?
I see that the Sony mobile US site has the z3c listed as coming soon. Is it best to just wait for that to come out or will the European version fully support all of the AT&T bands? I'd hate to import a phone and not get the best reception/internet.
I know it was suggested in another thread that it would work with AT&T but then there was some confusion in another thread about the phone possibly missing 1 or 2 bands. Any help from an expert would be greatly appreciated.
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I know Sony's white papers have been wrong in the past (Z1 Compact with glass back, grrrr ) but the one for the Z3 Compact D5803 has 4G bands Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20.
I've had a hunt around for AT&T's 4G bands but this seems a but trickier as it seems dependent on region, going by wikipedia it looks like the main bands are 2, 4 and 17 which are all supported by the European version per the above. It probably doesn't help that I'm not from the US and I don't have enough posts to add the URLs, sorry.
I feel like I remember reading back in the day that some companies used bands of the same frequency that weren't cross compatible. It's always made me nervous about buying non US phones. However my info could be wrong.
When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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AT&T must provision your sim for LTE otherwise you'll only receive 3G even if the phone is capable of 4G. Usually they do this based on the IMEI of your device and if it's a non AT&T phone then it won't appear in their database as LTE capable. There are ways for them to manually configure the sim for LTE by contacting support.
The UK model D5803 definitely supports AT&Ts LTE on bands 2, 4, and 17.
Does AT&T have more bands than 2,4,17?
I found when googling AT&T LTE bands that they apparently have also started to use band 5 (850mhz) but that's still supported by the Z3 compact. This was both on AT&T's forums and howardforums but I'm not sure if AT&T need to do something else to enable LTE support on that particular device. I think my own network (3 UK) has to do this as it took a few months for my unlocked Moto X to pick up their 4G network.
From AT&T: https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/byop.html
Refer to the manufacturer's website to verify your unlocked device works with a SIM card on an AT&T GSM network frequency:
• 3G UMTS network 850/1900MHz bands
• 4G LTE network AWS / 700 / 850 / 1900MHz bands
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AWS (1700/2100MHz) is band 4 (Blocks A, B, C, D, E)
700MHz is band 17 (blocks B, C)
850MHz is band 5
1900MHz is band 2
The overwhelming majority of AT&T LTE is on band 17. Bands 2 and 4 are used for additional capacity in some markets and/or some rural/smaller market coverage. I'm not sure they've rolled anything out on band 5 yet, but even so the Z3c has that covered.
OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
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OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
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To answer your original question, as far as we know there is no US model of the Z3c, only the EU D5803 and Asia D5833. If Sony sells it unlocked in the US it will probably be the D5803.
In preparation, hopefully I'll have it in a week.
Programming non-AT&T devices with the correct APN and MMS data settings
Subscribing since I'm very interested in this phone and my service provider is AT&T
Works great. I live in both NY and San Francisco, and I get LTE everywhere on AT&T.
I imported the D5803 (EU) model through Expansys.
Yes. Just make sure to get the d5803 model.
According to the T-Mobile site there are only offering the international version, This is on the USA site.
International
Quad Band GSM; LTE: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850), Band VIII (900)
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/google-nexus-6.html%20.html
Am I missing something here. I will correct this if I am wrong but this must be a joke giving me a phone thats the international version when I live in the US.. Not to mention half the bands and other things are missing... I have contacted T-Mobile and I am making sure this gets escalated .
I'm pretty sure by "international" T-Mobile is just listing the bands to give those who travel outside the States a reference. It doesn't necessarily mean it's the international "version". If you look carefully, the bands listed on the T-Mobile website match exactly with the NA ver bands on the Nexus website.
All is well. No need to stress about it.
They might actually sell in international one. After all it doesn't need CDMA bands to run on t-mobile. But this would definitely mean the t-mobile ones won't work on Verizon.
Unless I am overlooking, I see that half the bands are still not there or the lacking info on the North America Stuff. Haa trying not to stress about this
Yeah I really don't know what bands t-mobile uses. I can say that I would be really surprised if they sold you a phone that wouldn't work on their network.
That's not true.
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That's not true.
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I'll correct my post,, but tell me what I am missing. I am just stating what I see on the site.
T-Mobile is selling the North American variant. It is listing the bands under the "International" heading for those who travel internationally, you will know what bands your phone will work with.
Relax and don't get everyone riled up.
PaisanNYC said:
T-Mobile is selling the North American variant. It is listing the bands under the "International" heading for those who travel internationally, you will know what bands your phone will work with.
Relax and don't get everyone riled up.
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Got of the phone with TMobile Cooperate made it all the way up that ladder and Google. Heard different things from each of them, then again they made some similar points so now I am waiting because the things I heard I don't like at all.
Just compared the bands offered by the two versikns...tmobile is the american version...just go to googles website and see the difference in bands the two versions offer and you will see tmobile is offering the american version
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Got of the phone with TMobile Cooperate made it all the way up that ladder and Google. Heard different things from each of them, then again they made some similar points so now I am waiting because the things I heard I don't like at all.
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Just @askdes on Twitter. He'll tell you.
All the T-Mo bands are there. Most importantly the LTE bands (4 and soon 12) they use are there.
Hi,
If I was to pick up an international Note 5 (N920i) for use in the USA on AT&T, how would updates work? The theories I have is that either:
The device will never get updates
Samsung will release updates directly to the device
I will have to use custom ROMs for updates
Given that I will root the device (thus the reason for buying the international model), I'm assuming #3 will be the correct path. However, I understand I could run a modified kernel with the stock ROM to allow that, and there only seems to be one ROM outside of the carrier (AT&T/T-Mobile) threads. Could I use an AT&T carrier ROM?
I'm just trying to understand all my options if I walk down this path.
Thanks in advance.
You will get OTA from Samsung or you could use Smart Switch
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You will get OTA from Samsung or you could use Smart Switch
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So, if I was running a custom kernel for root, I would basically revert the kernel to stock, run the OTA or via Smart Switch, and then re-root. Sounds easy enough. Any idea what the timing is like for updates on international versions as compared to the US variants?
Thanks.
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Hi,
If I was to pick up an international Note 5 (N920i) for use in the USA on AT&T, how would updates work? The theories I have is that either:
The device will never get updates
Samsung will release updates directly to the device
I will have to use custom ROMs for updates
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So, if I was running a custom kernel for root, I would basically revert the kernel to stock, run the OTA or via Smart Switch, and then re-root. Sounds easy enough. Any idea what the timing is like for updates on international versions as compared to the US variants?
Thanks.
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It's hard to say which International version gets updates quicker but I am sure you would have no problems beating AT&T updates.
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It's hard to say which International version gets updates quicker but I am sure you would have no problems beating AT&T updates.
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Good to know, I'll likely pull the trigger then, warranty or not.
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Good to know, I'll likely pull the trigger then, warranty or not.
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I am pretty happy with mine. I had a seven day return through ebay so I didn't have to worry about DOA. Hope you enjoy your purchase.
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I am pretty happy with mine. I had a seven day return through ebay so I didn't have to worry about DOA. Hope you enjoy your purchase.
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One other question, are you using it on AT&T in the US? The N920i says it's compatibility is:
COMPATIBILITY:
2.5G (EDGE, GSM/GPRS ) MHz:850, 900, 1800, 1900
3.5G (HSPA+, UMTS/WCDMA ) MHz:850, 900, 1900, 2100
4G (LTE ) Bands:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 26, 28, 40
But Droid Life indicates that AT&T also uses a 1700Mhz LTE frequency, which I thought was only T-mobile: http://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/0...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/
Looking at the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies it seems that there is a seperate 1700 mhz 3G and 4G. Does that compatibility chart above indicate that since it has Band 4, it has 1700mhz 4G?
Any thoughts?
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One other question, are you using it on AT&T in the US? The N920i says it's compatibility is:
COMPATIBILITY:
2.5G (EDGE, GSM/GPRS ) MHz:850, 900, 1800, 1900
3.5G (HSPA+, UMTS/WCDMA ) MHz:850, 900, 1900, 2100
4G (LTE ) Bands:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 26, 28, 40
But Droid Life indicates that AT&T also uses a 1700Mhz LTE frequency, which I thought was only T-mobile: http://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/0...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/
Looking at the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies it seems that there is a seperate 1700 mhz 3G and 4G. Does that compatibility chart above indicate that since it has Band 4, it has 1700mhz 4G?
Any thoughts?
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I am on AT&T. The few times I have checked I was on bands 2, 4,and 5. I have never had a problem connecting to 4G with the 920I version.
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I am on AT&T. The few times I have checked I was on bands 2, 4,and 5. I have never had a problem connecting to 4G with the 920I version.
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And from another perspective, I consistently connect to AT&T LTE bands 2 and 17 using the n920c (which differs from the "i" in supporting band 20 and not 28 - neither of which involves at&t.)
The only frequency from AT&T that the 'c' and 'i' models does NOT support is band 30. At the present time, I think there are only two AT&T phones supporting that band (n920a and the at&t edge+)
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And from another perspective, I consistently connect to AT&T LTE bands 2 and 17 using the n920c (which differs from the "i" in supporting band 20 and not 28 - neither of which involves at&t.)
The only frequency from AT&T that the 'c' and 'i' models does NOT support is band 30. At the present time, I think there are only two AT&T phones supporting that band (n920a and the at&t edge+)
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Thanks for that info. I am not even sure I knew about band 30.
Edit: just checked from another location and I am now on band 17.
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I am on AT&T. The few times I have checked I was on bands 2, 4,and 5. I have never had a problem connecting to 4G with the 920I version.
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Your comment on Band 4 proved my hypothesis. Thanks. Picked it up on eBay from Monoprice with a 14 day return to ensure against DOA. Thanks again.
garyd9 said:
The only frequency from AT&T that the 'c' and 'i' models does NOT support is band 30. At the present time, I think there are only two AT&T phones supporting that band (n920a and the at&t edge+)
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Assuming the N920a is the AT&T Note 5 variant, the AT&T specifications page (https://www.att.com/cellphones/sams...sku7670223?WT.srch=1&source=ECPS0000000PSM00P) does not show band 30 support?
4G-LTE - Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, and 29
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Are they just not published?
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Are they just not published?
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When have you ever known at&t to be forthcoming with information?
Here's an FCC filing for the n920A showing band 30 support (as well as all the other bands supported for use in the US):
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2679337
(The n920a may supported other bands/frequencies, but the FCC filing won't show anything that isn't tested to work in the US.)
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Here's an FCC filing for the n920A showing band 30 support (as well as all the other bands supported for use in the US):
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What I just found that's VERY interesting is that the n920i has FCC filings (FCC ID: A3LSMN920I) and the AT&T variant is obviously there (with FCC ID A3LSMN920A)
However, there's no sign of an FCC ID of A3LSMN920C. That would mean that my phone, the n920c, is illegal to use or sell in the USA. oops.
That makes things interesting, doesn't it?
I've been using the N920i on AT&T now for about two weeks and my speeds are excellent.
I tested LTE the other night on the speedtest app and had 50 Mbps download, fastest I've ever tested in my area (that even includes AT&T branded phones).
So no complaints here...
I concur with HNIC215. Had my phone about 4 weeks.
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After realizing that this n920c is illegal in the US, I'm in the process of sending it back to amazon (and having it replaced with an 'i' model.)
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After realizing that this n920c is illegal in the US, I'm in the process of sending it back to amazon (and having it replaced with an 'i' model.)
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Is there something about it not being cleared by the FCC that really bothers you or is it more of a just because kind of deal?
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Is there something about it not being cleared by the FCC that really bothers you or is it more of a just because kind of deal?
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It relates to what I do for a living... I have a significant amount of contact with the FCC. It probably would never be noticed, but if it was, I'd be out of a job and possibly fined as well. The risk is too high when I'd be perfectly legal with the 'i' model.
Being that neither band 20 nor 28 is used in the US, the radio difference won't impact usage for me.
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It relates to what I do for a living... I have a significant amount of contact with the FCC. It probably would never be noticed, but if it was, I'd be out of a job and possibly fined as well. The risk is too high when I'd be perfectly legal with the 'i' model.
Being that neither band 20 nor 28 is used in the US, the radio difference won't impact usage for me.
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Makes sense to me, better safe than sorry when it comes to your job.
I noticed on the specifications list that the international LTE version has some of the same LTE bands as the Verizon LTE version. Would the international LTE version of the S2 be at all usable on Verizon's network?
Which variant? I don't remember seeing any international variants with LTE B13 support. In any case, there is no CDMA in the international variants and I strongly doubt you could use them on Verizon.
Is B13 the one Verizon uses in the U.S.? I was just looking at the one on amazon listed as "international LTE". I didn't realize there were multiple versions of that. I also got the impression from reading around here that Verizon's LTE was more or less the same as everyone else's because CDMA just isn't capable of the modern band width requirements. That was a long time ago though and I may have misunderstood.
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Is B13 the one Verizon uses in the U.S.? I was just looking at the one on amazon listed as "international LTE". I didn't realize there were multiple versions of that. I also got the impression from reading around here that Verizon's LTE was more or less the same as everyone else's because CDMA just isn't capable of the modern band width requirements. That was a long time ago though and I may have misunderstood.
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Yes, B13 is Verizon's main LTE band in the US.
You say main as if there are others. Does Verizon use other bands too? At all?
In certain areas Verizon also supplements coverage with bands 2 and/or 4. Eventually they are also expected to deploy on band 5.
Thank-you for repeatedly taking the time to answer my questions. I appreciate it.
I live around the Baltimore area so I imagine they might have need to supplement with the additional bands around here. The international Tab S2 being sold on Amazon does support bands 2, 4, and 5. No 13 though. So assuming Verizon has deployed band(s) 2, 4, or 5 in the area the question remains: Would the international Tab S2 receive LTE service? Someone must have tried it by now.
Have any other "international" samsung devices been able to receive Verizon service in the US?
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Thank-you for repeatedly taking the time to answer my questions. I appreciate it.
I live around the Baltimore area so I imagine they might have need to supplement with the additional bands around here. The international Tab S2 being sold on Amazon does support bands 2, 4, and 5. No 13 though. So assuming Verizon has deployed band(s) 2, 4, or 5 in the area the question remains: Would the international Tab S2 receive LTE service? Someone must have tried it by now.
Have any other "international" samsung devices been able to receive Verizon service in the US?
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What you are trying to do is just a bad idea unfortunately. Even if you could activate it (which I doubt you could in the first place), the supplemental bands are high frequency bands and you may well run into situations where you won't have any coverage at all because you couldn't pick up band 13 (which is a low frequency band that penetrates into buildings much better than bands 2 or 4).
Why not just buy the Verizon model?
That is very helpful and insightful info. Thank-you.
For my purposes the tablet will be used mostly for entertainment purposes. I have a galaxy S4 (mdk bootloader) phone for serious communication needs. I was just thinking that there may be a performance advantage if I could swap the sim card from my S4 into the tablet and get internet (where available on bands 2, 4, 5) directly from LTE rather then from the wifi hotspot on the S4. I figured it may not work all the time but if it did some of the time it would justify buying the device with capability, all else being equal.
I would absolutely buy the verizon model if it wasn't boot-loader locked. It sounds like noone has been able to hack a ssmsung/verizon device for the last few generations so I'm not holding my breath.
(The info you've been giving will also be handy when it comes time to replace my & wife's S4 phones which will probably be in the next year.)
Oh, ok, I see, your issue is with the bootloader. Yeah, that's a problem.
I am also using an S4 on a CDMA carrier (Sprint). Planning on getting a Nexus 5X soon. It's nice in that unlike Samsung and their plethora of variants of the same device for each country, there is just one Nexus model for all carriers in the US, and it's also unlocked right out of the box.