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I think it would be great if HTC, or a 3rd party hardware manufacturer would create a small and consolidated infrared adapter for the HD2. Or at the least, a bluetooth to infrared transmitter that would serve as a station. I'm looking at having something for the HD2 that competes with RedEye for the Iphone, found here (http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/redeye-turns-your-iphone-and-ipod-touch-into-bona-fide-universal/).
I'm also aware that there are a lot of existing windows mobile softwares, like seen here (http://pocketpccentral.net/software/remote1.htm), that enable the use of an IR port to act as a universal remote, just like RedEye does, but it is limited to phones having a built in IR port. Which is why I was greatly saddened to find out that the HD2 doesn't have an infrared port, which killed my idea of the HD2 not only being a media powerhouse within its own enclosure, but also within my home.
That being said, i'm going to spend the next couple of months doing everything I can in my power (emailing as many HTC and party companies as possible), asking that they create an IR adapter for the HD2 that would connect to the micro usb port. If possible, the ir could be attached by a resistant bendable cable, allowing you to bend the infrared under the HD2 in the direction of your entertainment center. If anyone doesn't see this as being feasible, please correct me, before I make a fool of myself with HTC and it's partners. Everyone's thoughts on this topic will be highly appreciated by me!
conyeje2 said:
I think it would be great if HTC, or a 3rd party hardware manufacturer would create a small and consolidated infrared adapter for the HD2. Or at the least, a bluetooth to infrared transmitter that would serve as a station. I'm looking at having something for the HD2 that competes with RedEye for the Iphone, found here (http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/redeye-turns-your-iphone-and-ipod-touch-into-bona-fide-universal/).
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There was a pocketpc app called Total Remote that had a ir transmitter that plugged into the 3.5mm headphone jack.
It was at http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/totalremote but I don't know if you can get them any more. doesn't look like it.
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SeanX said:
There was a pocketpc app called Total Remote that had a ir transmitter that plugged into the 3.5mm headphone jack.
It was at http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/totalremote but I don't know if you can get them any more. doesn't look like it.
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I bought Total remote (on ebay, the last one in the world?) with the sound to ir converter that goes in the headphone jack a couple of months ago to experiment with on my Mogul. Life took a serious detour and I got sidetracked. The mogul has an ir port. Total remote shuts down on my Mogul when I push any of its buttons. Total remote works on my ipaq (without the sound to ir converter) so I bought a mini usb to 3.5mm cord on Amazon to try the sound to ir converter with my Mogul. Same thing. I push a Total remote button and it shuts down.
My true intention with this converter was to try a trick I learned on Engadget and capture my remotes signals on my ipaq, put those files (each individual signal as an individual file) on a pc with audio software, mute one channel, and save to my mogul (Engadget used an ipod) as a song (wav file) and play the song (remote command) with the sound to ir converter plugged in.
I haven't gotten that far, but will hurry up and try it with one signal to see if it works.
Anyway I've been planning on getting an HD2. I'll have to see if this works on it when I get it. I'm not sure how Total remote works. It works on my ipaq (which has ir) without the converter.
I'm guessing it is coded to send the signals out the headphone jack if you don't have an ir port (maybe a setting I didn't think to look for... yep there it is, a setting for infrared sending device with choices for irda or Griffin technology ir device). I'll have to give it another shot with my Mogul... Well, with that setting the program doesn't turn off. Now to find the right tv setting... It doesn't work with the Mogul.
At least with the right setting it doesn't shut down the program. I tried that setting on my ipaq also with the converter plugged in and it worked so I think that confirms it doesn't work for the Mogul. Not sure what that means for the HD2.
There is another setting for a CCF mode. I don't know what that is. Some sort of file. .ccf I don't know what to do with that. The ccf mode takes me to what seems like some sort of explorer with a home, device and macros tabs, what looks like a search field, a menu and a open ccf file button that goes to a file directory it looks like. The program has a library of devices it can control as well as the capability of sampling remotes and the menu button in the ccf mode seems to link to that sampling capability. I was able to complete a sampling, but don't where that sampling went. I need to find that file to try the Engadget method. Oh, it doesn't create a file I can get to. I just have to plug in a line from my ipaq headphone jack to my pc mic jack and play the signal (push the remote functions button) and record that signal on my pc with the audio software.
Griffin had the patent on this sound to ir converter technology and now the iphone has a dongle. Does that mean another lawsuit for Apple or is Griffin making their dongle or a third party? Griffin does make lots of iphone accessories.
Oh, also check out the tv remote control thread under the Mogul. There's a bright guy there working on something. I was going to help him, but I'm a moron. If some type of dongle will work don't worry about a flexible cord, just flip your screen. Total remote has a setting like that so it will open upsidedown each time.
Total remote is a free download now and you could make your own dongle out of a pair of headphones if you want to test it out on your HD2. Just cut the speakers off and wire a couple of ir leds on. I think all you have to do is make sure you wire one ir led on backwards meaning one side has its channel and a ground wired on correctly to the ir led and on the other side do just the opposite (i guess there's an in and an out or a pos and neg on the ir led). There's some info on the internet explaining how to do it. Actually the other thread can point you in that direction too.
Did I ramble?
conyeje2 said:
I think it would be great if HTC, or a 3rd party hardware manufacturer would create a small and consolidated infrared adapter for the HD2. Or at the least, a bluetooth to infrared transmitter that would serve as a station. I'm looking at having something for the HD2 that competes with RedEye for the Iphone, found here (http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/redeye-turns-your-iphone-and-ipod-touch-into-bona-fide-universal/).
I'm also aware that there are a lot of existing windows mobile softwares, like seen here (http://pocketpccentral.net/software/remote1.htm), that enable the use of an IR port to act as a universal remote, just like RedEye does, but it is limited to phones having a built in IR port. Which is why I was greatly saddened to find out that the HD2 doesn't have an infrared port, which killed my idea of the HD2 not only being a media powerhouse within its own enclosure, but also within my home.
That being said, i'm going to spend the next couple of months doing everything I can in my power (emailing as many HTC and party companies as possible), asking that they create an IR adapter for the HD2 that would connect to the micro usb port. If possible, the ir could be attached by a resistant bendable cable, allowing you to bend the infrared under the HD2 in the direction of your entertainment center. If anyone doesn't see this as being feasible, please correct me, before I make a fool of myself with HTC and it's partners. Everyone's thoughts on this topic will be highly appreciated by me!
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I read on the Redeye Mini website that the company will write software to support other mobile devices if the demand was there. The redeye mini attaches the the headphone jack, so if we could get them or some other developer to write software for it to run on wm6.5, we could use the redeye mini on our hd2s. It looks like it might be the same setup that griffin used for total remote. I would also be very interested in this.... I'm gonna send redeye an email expressing my interest. You should do the same.
Great Info Everyone!
I had feared that this thread had died a long time ago. Thanks for your inputs, despite how old the thread was! Good searching SeanX! Manicmoguladdict, your "rambling" has helped me, and I'm sure a handful of others, put DIY IR controllers into future mobile device possible, and you've renewed my hope. I must have missed that Engadget article, or must not have been looking at that site yet, for me to have missed the article you reference. I'm definitely going to check out the Mogul forum for the ir remote control development that you mentioned. And I'll also check online for DIY IR as you specified. Zarathustrax, good research on your part as well. I'm sending RedEye an email this very moment. Again, awesome job everyone, and I look forward to us reclaiming Infrared Control for all of our Windows Mobile Devices, whether it be through outside manufacturers, or our own DIY community!
My emails
This is the email that I sent to RedEye, and I sent a modified one(neglecting android concerns) to Microsoft and HTC as well. I'm hoping that, if it isn't already in motion, a partnership is formed between all these companies!
"I'm emailing you in regards of the support of redeye being manufactured for Windows Mobile Devices. There are a vast number of Windows Mobile Devices, as I'm sure your company is aware of. If concerns are that there isn't enough demand for it in this Mobile OS, then my only rebuttal is that it could be explained by the lack of IR hardware in many recent Windows Mobile Devices. I don't know whether it was in the push for thinner, longer lasting phones that cause manufactures to remove this piece of hardware, which was present in many past mobile devices. But, if there is one thing that I can acknowledge, it is the fact that many of the users of these devices has not forgotten about IR hardware and technology. Many of us have been introduced to it, and really want it back, and want to see it return to WM, either built into the devices, or eternally through dongles produced by reputable companies as yourself. What I'm trying to say is that, if you were to introduce IR dongles for WM devices, it would not only be accepted by many, but it would flourish, just as much as it has with apple devices. If standard is a concern, for producing the software that is compatible with these mobile devices, then I guess Windows Phone 7 Series is a bright and stable place to start introducing dongles for. Also, I'm pretty sure the Android community would go crazy if a dongle with proper software was released for them. And, if it is possible for the android community to receive a dongle, then the windows mobile 6.5 community would probably be just as excited to receive one as well. I know many HD2 owners would would love to be able to control their media devices by IR, just as much as the Iphone users are enjoying it. But, to be fair, I'd be happy if it were released just for Android, and for Windows Phone 7 Series. And if it were released for Windows Phone 7 Series, then I think it would be easy to make it compatible with the Zune, which would add even more demand for such a product. In the end, I'm asking you, Thinkflood, to release a product that is 100% lacking in the Android and Windows Mobile Community. I'm sending Microsoft an email as well, just in case they're not aware of this either.
Chinedu Onyejekwe"
Interestingly, Mr. Griffin described his idea here. Easy enough to give it a shot, only concern is about shortcircuit protection on my Leo. I seriously damaged the FM receiver of my Blackstone doing similar things.
this idea is super cool. schematics of that patent look really easy, can be done in 5 minutes. What is more important is to get the software algorithm right. I wonder if total remote would work with this DIY IR adaptor.
I like the bluetooth idea better.
Check this out for the Blackberry.
//unify4life.com/products/avshadow
fits in your pocket?
I'd hate to carry that thing around and connect to everything I'd like to control. We're looking for a pocket solution of existing components technology. Total remote uses a data base of most audio/video equipment and you can control most just by changing your setting. So you can change the channel at your favorite pub.
I love this idea. I subscribed this thread.
Very interested too.
Just some thoughts. Theoretically the HD2 flash can emit some percentage of its light energy in IR range. The photo diode, required for recording of the IR signals to learn commands from a remote, seems to be in place too (the camera is too slow for that, but the proximity sensor may have enough bandwidth). The question is: is there any information on the possible bandwidth for the flash diodes and for the prox. sensor? And is it possible to control them that fast ?
So far my solution for the total control is BT <-> RS-232 adaptor <-> everything else
Anyone heard of a working IR (infra-red) Dongle/Adapter for HTC HD2 (Leo) ??
It is very useful thing. I want to control TV via IR.
+1 this whole thread. So how difficult can it be to find a cheap bluetooth to IR relay (e.g. a little box somewhere in your toom which accepts Bluetooth and suirts out IR)? I know it's a niche tool but someone somewhere out there must be doing it?
Redeye
I am interested in this idea as well!
I finally want to be able to open my car with my phone again !
(See my "Open Your Car With Your Windows Mobile Phone" Thread.
So, yes. I definately would buy that redeye thing if it were manufactured 4 WM.
i ordered a bunch of ir diodes and will start testing if it could actually work.
I'm interesting too - hope you could solve this issue
There are several ir transmitters that plug into the headphone jack out there.... we just need to get a developer to write some remote control software that will output the correct audio signals to the ir transmitter and that has all the different ir codes for the devices we want to control.
Bump I'd love it if this was to happen. Any one have any new thoughts on this?
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Bump I'd love it if this was to happen. Any one have any new thoughts on this?
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In mean time i would like to share some links:
http://www.hackint0sh.org/f131/35975.htm
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Infrared-transmitter-for-iPhone-iPod/
I tried the 10ohm resistor variant but I don't think its working...
feedback non-existent in H/U forum so thought i'd try my luck here.
seeking recommendation to be installed into RSX
back in January I looked into Android Auto/CarPlay from the brand names but they require USB connection to phone = dealbreaker
not looking to DIY a tablet into the dash
LF a 2DIN head unit that works very similiarly to AA without the wires.
I'm looking to have run this app pretty much on default
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-automate-android-auto-your-phone
will be installing myself
to be used with Galaxy Nexus GSM on 4.3...quite long in the tooth my next phone is likely Note 5 or the new LG Nexus
convenience is key. I just want to enter the car and have BT auto connected to the phone and ready to stream music without having to pull out my phone.
voice-enabled messaging, google apps, backup cam, capacitative touch screen are all requirements. volume knob, 2gb ram, quad-core processor and large community dev support would be nice.I didn't look at Hufei and AN-21 because their specs are dated as they've been around for a while now. I've been waiting for android 5.0 head units to hit the market but it's taking forever.
i'm not an audiophile so as long as the sound quality isn't worse than a stock Honda radio I'm good which is only mediocre at best.
I think you're confused about a few things.
1. Android Auto requires USB, period. It doesn't work any other way.
2. AutoMate is not the same as Android Auto. It's a launcher that looks sort of like Android Auto. It has nothing to do with your other phone, bluetooth, etc. It's standalone. If you want to stream music from your phone you're gonna have a bad time.
The NU3001 is the best (i.e., most modern) head unit available today. Because the source code is available the community has developed a ROM that is car friendly and does work with bluetooth streaming, Google Now, etc. You can run AutoMate on it if you want but I finally uninstalled it as it's just a (pretty) layer that gets in the way between your maps/music/phone apps and you. There are variants available with a physical volume knob but to my knowledge they don't have one for a Honda.
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1. Android Auto requires USB, period. It doesn't work any other way.
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Android Auto has Wifi support built in, but AFAIK my Headunit app is the only way to make it work at present, unless you have access to some unreleased devices/apps.
To Original poster: I don't think a solution with all the features you want exists yet. We've been waiting for decades for useful, robust implementations of the sort of environment that Android Auto and CarPlay provide.
I hope that within the next 2 years we will have solutions that are useful and "just work". The ones we have now clearly need work and seem as immature as Android 1.x and 2.x compared with the Android 5.x/6.x level solutions we want.
Hello all, I had a Son XAV-601BT, which was supposed to be a very promising and awesome android headunit, but ended up being a dud because mirrorlink doesn't work well, etc, I can only connect my phone with bluetooth and play music through it. I just got a Nissan Titan and want to up my in car experience. I had a good bit of audio equipment I took out of my old 240sx and was going to reuse it, which included the 601BT, 2 kicker amps (one for the sub, another 4 channel for speakers), and polk audio speakers, but the headunit is basically.. meh.
I was wondering what would be the ideal route to go to get the best experience. I know they have head units that have all the android auto stuff built in, but since I already have a nice amp I can use to drive the speakers, would I be better off just using a tablet and getting things connected up that way? I would like to be able to utilize good quality voice for commands and phone calls, but I am not sure if using a tablet for that would work (using the phones capabilities through the tablet to make calls and texts via bluetooth or some other way.)
If anyone has any recommendations on how I can have a nice sized mounted capacitive screen to control my audio (spotify), navigation, and be able to use voice commands (though I could technically just make them through my watch as I have been), I would love to hear some suggestions. If the best route to go would be an actual android auto headunit, then so be it, but I would like to know if alternatives can do this.
See my sig for Headunit app for Android Auto. Nexus tablets are working well with it.
Tablet solution likely takes some time to get it the way you want it, but it makes it very customizable and can be done cheaply-ish.
There are 2 popular lines of $300 Chinese HUs discussed on XDA. They are best described as... the Chinese stuff you find on EBay/Alibaba etc. Source is available but the latest Newsmy is still stuck on Android 4.4.
Or for $500-2k get a Pioneer or Kenwood Android Auto 4100/6100/7100NEX. There's a custom ROM just come out for some Pioneers, but it will take time to mature.
Awesome, thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. I was looking in to some of the interesting setups people have, such as using an Arduino with an IR transmitter that you connect to the tablet, so you can use a standard smaller headunit, hide it in the dash to connect to the speakers and control the volume, and the tablet can be mounted nice, and when you hit the volume etc on the tablet it makes the Arduino blast the IR to the head unit, and it makes the volume go up as if you pressed the button (or in this case, the remote)
That might work well with a head unit app or something similar. I will download the APK's you linked and check them out!
Just bought a used 2007 Toyota Solara SLE convertible (with JBL 7 speaker system), and looking to replace stereo. I've read up on here and elsewhere about some of this, but still have some Q's before moving forward.
Main needs:
Spotify (strongly prefer NOT to use bluetooth due to audio compression)
GPS (The larger the screen, the better for this)
Theft-resistant (Either looks not worth stealing, has removable face without wearing out connectors, is built-in and looks hard to steal, etc)
I'll drill down on the details in a bit, but I'd like a little perspective first on reasons why it would matter if I go with a dedicated head unit, or possibly get the fiddly bits and hook them up myself to do something like a slide-mounted Samsung tablet that I can easily pop in and out.
1) Is there some reason in general why one path is better than the other?
2) If I go DIY route, I've been reading up that Android Auto is not available for tablets without data (wifi only versions). Can't tell if that info is outdated, or still true. I see a few mentions of 3rd party workarounds, but not much info on how they are working.
3) I'd really prefer a larger readout as I use GPS heavily on a regular basis. The detachable ones I see for 10.1 screens from Joying, etc look to have connectors NOT designed for daily plug/unplug. Do these hold up?
4) Is it better for theftproofing to have a removable face, or something smaller that fits in the double din and looks harder to steal?
5) If I do the DIY route, does the audio come out of the tablet via usb and need a d/a, or out of the phones jack?
5) There seems to be info out there for DIY to get the steering controls working, car info like tire pressure, temp, etc. If I then already have the amp, and can work out the audio, and get info to and from via bluetooth with my phone or using my phone as hotspot, that's all bases covered, right? Is there anything I'm missing that CAN'T be done this way and would be better off just getting head unit?
6) Are the dedicated head units less updatable or anything like that than something like a samsung tablet?
7) Is there an issue with my 7 speaker system? Haven't checked, but I'm under the impression from some conversations I've had that there's a 7 speaker dedicated amp currently in place (not part of existing head unit). I read something about certain versions of AA not supporting subs. Not sure what that means. If I'm replacing head unit with full DIY rig, can't I just sent audio to the amp, and it splits from there, or does processing and separate out for sub need to somehow happen prior to the amp?
FYI: Asking in part because I'm thinking about getting a tablet anyway, and might as well have dual use if possible. Also, I'm considering idea also of leaving the stock stereo as is (has BT for voice, but not audio streaming), and rigging a detachable dock for tablet that then feeds audio via the aux input. I guess if I go this third route, I'd store music on it locally, and use it's wifi with my android phone as mobile hotspot to get new tracks, access map data, etc.
Thoughts on why one path is better?
Too many q's?
Available info in another thread? (I've searched and read all I could find)
Better in another subforum? (Connected car maybe?)
Thank you for the questions it is helping me do more research.
If any one can answer part of a question please chime in.
1. Android tablets (Samsung, LG) over Chinese (KLYDE, Joying, etc) units:
- better screen - even an old Galaxy Tab3 has a screen 10x better than any chinese in-car unit.
- cleaner Android implementations - chinese units suffer from poor system implementation that generates lots o0f issues with Bluetooth audio quality, OBDII pairing, WiFi and 3G/4G compatibility
- software upgradable - again, my Samsung Galaxy Tab3 from 2013 runs Nougat. My Klyde in-car unit runs Lollipop
- better RAM, usually
- more flexible in implementation
Chinese (KLYDE, Joying, etc) units over Android tablets (Samsung, LG):
-easier to install
-FM radio
-some level of integration with the car's systems
2. Since version 2.1 Android Auto is a standalone app so it will run on WiFi only units
3. No idea. But if I were to take the DIY road, instead of removing the tablet I'd have a fake panel to cover the screen, with the front part of a cheap stereo.
4. It depends on your preferences. Audio will be much better if run through an external d/a converter but you can start with getting the signal from the headphone jack and add a converter later.
Probably 2 main differences:
Android tablet wont have good amplifier. Not so good sound, you must install many apps from yourself (this is good and bad), no radio probably or bad radio. You must also connect an antenna for the radio if the tablet has one.
You must also do some modding by yourself, connection for power etc. Probably use tasker for some things, search in youtube and other places for suitable script. Xposed, app settings will help for making many apps more car like.
Search for car launcher etc.
I am writing this as i have installed in past, not tablet but mobile phone (an old galaxy s2) in a Fiat punto. So i have done those im Writting for.
If you give time and efford at the end it could be better the result compaired with a dedicated one.
The dedicated one has the benefit of don't search at all. Just install, plug and play. Probably better sound.
If it has android, you can make many things with this. Probably most as the tablet i wrote before.
If it only has android auto you can do only basic things..
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Ok, I had both approaches with 2 different chinese units and one Zenpad.
- 1st Chinese unit, piece of .... so I almost smashed it with a hammer in a fury rage, so got it sold after 3 month, conclusion stay away from XTRONS!
-2nd I had a Zenpad built into my dash, lucky enough for me my dash was big enough to easily fit in an 8" tablet. I bought a mechless Sony car radio, which is much smaller than a normal unit and I hid it behind the tablet, steering wheel remote control still worked, so I could control the radio from the steering wheel, but never needed anything else than adjusting the volume. I did not use FM radio at all. See attached picture. This has a few potential problems, most probably you won't be able to charge the device & use the usb port at the same time, you will need a custom kernel for that or a USB-C tablet. Also its much more difficult to fit it in properly, when the system freeze or crash and you need to hard reset it, it can be painful, however overall I was very pleased with my setup. Since you cannot use the tablet for the bluetooth hands free I still needed to use a Himbox HB001. TIP: The install was done with the help of a 6mm acrylic sheet, which I cut to size using a jigsaw.
-3rd changed the car and couldn't do the same thing in the new car so I bit the bullet and bought another chinese unit, this time I went to an Intel based one. So far so good, I have only done about 1000 miles with it but it looks to work OK, boot up is really quick, bluetooth A2DP quality is good (not like the crap XTRONS), handsfree quality seems decent, but I need more feedback from others on this, I hear them clearly the question is how good they can hear me, so I can recommend the unit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301955449854
And now to the Android Auto question, they run on all of them, just use my app: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ge...ndroid-4-1-headunit-reloaded-android-t3432348
hello friends, i'm newbie at this topic, but i have a little question before i begin
first of all, ANDROID AUTO is a name for all the android car? or it's specific models?
second of all, I've been searching for over 3 weeks on the internet,EBAY,ALI etc.
and i can't find a what i'm looking for..
i've found some 2gb ram and 32rom, and with some good prices like 100$~170$ that is very low prices and good.
but must of them are not sitting good on the frame, get out a little bit. and i'm looking for a screen that support a subwoofer.
did anyone maybe seen or bought something like this?
9Inch,2RAM,32ROM,SUBWOOFER Support,coming with a compitible frame (I have corolla 2011).
Thanks very much for who can help
Android Navigation System with support subwoofer
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Meir69 said:
first of all, ANDROID AUTO is a name for all the android car? or it's specific models?
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Neither. Android Auto is a simplified Android user interface tailored for use while driving. The phone "projects" the interface onto the car's head unit, and the car provides touch input back to the phone. It supports a limited number of apps - navigation (Google Maps and Waze) and media (most major music apps, like Spotify, Pandora, TuneIn Radio, etc.), and handsfree phone. It supports Google Assistant, to allow voice commands. It also allows the phone to play audio through the car at a higher quality than Bluetooth can provide. It's supported by most major automobile and aftermarket car stereo manufacturers. It is not available in every country, probably because of legal or regulatory issues.
It has absolutely nothing to do with those cheap Chinese head units which run Android as an OS. There are different forums which discuss those.