Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
super-6-1 said:
Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
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I don't think the Verizon model will have the correct radio frequencies to use T-Mo's LTE or HSPA+ network, hence you're stuck on Edge. If you're staying with T-Mo, I'd suggest selling your current One and buying a T-Mo specific HTC One.
LBN1 said:
I don't think the Verizon model will have the correct radio frequencies to use T-Mo's LTE or HSPA+ network, hence you're stuck on Edge. If you're staying with T-Mo, I'd suggest selling your current One and buying a T-Mo specific HTC One.
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This is pulled from Verizons website
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(1900/2100) aGPS capable for E911 emergency location, aGPS (assisted), sGPS (simultaneous), Standalone GPS, eCompass, GLONASS
T-mobile uses the 1900 Mhz base band and the HSPA as well. So i don't see the issue in that one.
super-6-1 said:
This is pulled from Verizons website
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(1900/2100) aGPS capable for E911 emergency location, aGPS (assisted), sGPS (simultaneous), Standalone GPS, eCompass, GLONASS
T-mobile uses the 1900 Mhz base band and the HSPA as well. So i don't see the issue in that one.
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From what I can tell, nobody uses the dual 1900/2100 to achieve 4G like TMO. The UMTS referred to on that phone is for worldwide use, not US. So while it may have the frequencies, it is not set up to use them like TMO. Your software and firmware are set up to work with Verizon and overseas, not with a competitor like TMO. TMO refers to theirs as HSPA+. However, it might work on the new "reframed" 1900 bands (which is called HSPA), but those are not very highly deployed. Unfortunately, I don't see LTE on that list of frequencies. The TMO LTE is really great. EDIT: I mean TMO LTE, which is also 1700/2100.
I suppose you could try unlocking it and flashing the TMO radio, but there is an entire thread on trying to unlock TMO frequencies (in that case on the developer version), and no one has figured it out yet.
I concur that your best bet would be to sell the phone and get a TMO model.
stevedebi said:
From what I can tell, nobody uses the dual 1900/2100 to achieve 4G like TMO. The UMTS referred to on that phone is for worldwide use, not US. So while it may have the frequencies, it is not set up to use them like TMO. Your software and firmware are set up to work with Verizon and overseas, not with a competitor like TMO. TMO refers to theirs as HSPA+. However, it might work on the new "reframed" 1900 bands (which is called HSPA), but those are not very highly deployed. Unfortunately, I don't see LTE on that list of frequencies. The TMO LTE is really great. EDIT: I mean TMO LTE, which is also 1700/2100.
I suppose you could try unlocking it and flashing the TMO radio, but there is an entire thread on trying to unlock TMO frequencies (in that case on the developer version), and no one has figured it out yet.
I concur that your best bet would be to sell the phone and get a TMO model.
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Yeah thats what im thinking. I need to contact and t-mobile rep and see if the re-farmed LTE here. Ill call and ask.
Alright so i called the rep and he said the area i am has been re-farmed to the 1900 range and i should be getting at least HSPA/3G but im not. Very odd issue
super-6-1 said:
Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
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Verison use the CDMA, maybe that's why you can only use 2.5G network, just like some phones in China, they only have GSM in common
xunqren said:
Verison use the CDMA, maybe that's why you can only use 2.5G network, just like some phones in China, they only have GSM in common
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yes but this phone has 4g lte already in it which accepts the sim card. Also, i have seen other verizon htc ones with t-mobile and never had a issue. I fell i may have to use a custom rom.
super-6-1 said:
yes but this phone has 4g lte already in it which accepts the sim card. Also, i have seen other verizon htc ones with t-mobile and never had a issue. I fell i may have to use a custom rom.
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What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
jayrivi said:
What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
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I know what the best way to go is but i am very curious as to what is really keeping it from going out of edge. baseband? Is the TMO and Verizon radios the same? these are things i need to know! >.<
super-6-1 said:
I know what the best way to go is but i am very curious as to what is really keeping it from going out of edge. baseband? Is the TMO and Verizon radios the same? these are things i need to know! >.<
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My understanding is that the devices run on different systems for 3G and different LTE bands. You wont get more than GSM compatibility (GPRS, EDGE). Hopefully it is something that a software hack can fix but if you read around all the HTC One forums you will see no one has found it. Right now it is not possible.
jayplusone said:
What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
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My question is that HTC makes phones for all T mobile verison sprint the same, so I believe its just software problem that we cant use Tmobile 4g lte on Verizon unlocked phone. SO does anyone have any comment for that?
aaloknaik said:
My question is that HTC makes phones for all T mobile verison sprint the same, so I believe its just software problem that we cant use Tmobile 4g lte on Verizon unlocked phone. SO does anyone have any comment for that?
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It is hardware not software that is the issue. The T-Mobile variant has different bands than the other variants including Verizon. T-Mobile is a GSM variant while Verizon is a CDMA variant. Here is a comparison of the specs for the variants.
CDMA and GSM technology requires the antenna to be done differently. If they are not programmed to use those signals. Nothing you can dox will change it short of putting a new antenna in.
majmoz said:
It is hardware not software that is the issue. The T-Mobile variant has different bands than the other variants including Verizon. T-Mobile is a GSM variant while Verizon is a CDMA variant. Here is a comparison of the specs for the variants.
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SO how do i know if my phone is Verizon CDMA unlocked or GSM unlocked
aaloknaik said:
SO how do i know if my phone is Verizon CDMA unlocked or GSM unlocked
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Because you can only unlock GSM. Cdma uses the serial/esn number of the device.
Has there been any update on this? I called tmobile and they said it was simply because I couldn't put in the APN. So, there's no chance that rooting the phone and putting a tmobile rom on it would fix the problem and let me get more than edge speeds.
I myself have been wondering the answer to this. The device might seem the same but under the cover they are different. The actual daughter board which the camera, vibrating thing, volume rocker, power button are connected to are fairly different from each other. The CDMA variant is not compatible with the GSM variant. Not even by adding a CDMA daughter board to the GSM motherboard and vice versa, the are made quiet differently and will not be able to use GSM bands on a CDMA m7
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I tried to get TMobile service for my Nexus one but it wouldn't pick up 3G. So I called Google tech support and they said my Nexus one is an AT&T only nexus one. What's up with that? I thought this was an unlocked phone able to handle any GSM carrier? Can I get it to work on TMobile?
justindri said:
I tried to get TMobile service for my Nexus one but it wouldn't pick up 3G. So I called Google tech support and they said my Nexus one is an AT&T only nexus one. What's up with that? I thought this was an unlocked phone able to handle any GSM carrier? Can I get it to work on TMobile?
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maybe they meant AT&T 3G, it should pickup the EDGE network on Tmo or you are in a dead zone.
justindri said:
I tried to get TMobile service for my Nexus one but it wouldn't pick up 3G. So I called Google tech support and they said my Nexus one is an AT&T only nexus one. What's up with that? I thought this was an unlocked phone able to handle any GSM carrier? Can I get it to work on TMobile?
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it will work on tmobiles edge service, but not on 3G. tmobile and att have different frequencies for their 3G signals. and yes, there are 2 kinds of nexus ones. one for tmobiles frequency, and one for atts frequency.
If I root the phone will I be able to use it on tmobile?
No, Tmobile runs 3G through 1700mhz band & ATT runs 3G through 850mhz & 1900mhz bands. Both carriers use 850/1900mhz bands for gprs & edge network. There is no way to change the frequencies your phone uses because its a hardware issue. This has been attempted many many times with the US always getting phones last.
This is something to determine when first buying the phone. Did t-mobile sell you the wrong version of the nexus?
justindri said:
I tried to get TMobile service for my Nexus one but it wouldn't pick up 3G. So I called Google tech support and they said my Nexus one is an AT&T only nexus one. What's up with that? I thought this was an unlocked phone able to handle any GSM carrier? Can I get it to work on TMobile?
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There is a difference between "unlocked", meaning - any SIM can go in and the phone won't stop it from working, and "correct band for GSM/3G", which is in hardware - the phone has support for X different frequencies of GSM and Y different frequencies of UMTS (3G), and if the carrier you're trying to connect to doesn't work with any of those frequencies and works with some other ones - having a working SIM won't help you, since the phone won't find the working frequencies.
And this question was answered about 10000 times.
Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?
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You will not get LTE on verizon with a sprint phone.
You could do an esn swap to get 3g and voice if you wanted.
gnex4ever said:
Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?
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If you buy a device at full price its no different than a device bought on contract. At least that's how it is in our preferred store and the same applies to corporate as far as I know. It's no like an apple store where you can request an unlocked device. You'd still have to request to have it unlocked by Sprint international. Also considering the 1900 band is the only band that crosses over between sprint and verizon I really don't see the value. Maybe it's just me in my area but roaming is even more useless than the 0.9mb/s I get on sprint.
Darkendvoid88 said:
If you buy a device at full price its no different than a device bought on contract. At least that's how it is in our preferred store and the same applies to corporate as far as I know. It's no like an apple store where you can request an unlocked device. You'd still have to request to have it unlocked by Sprint international. Also considering the 1900 band is the only band that crosses over between sprint and verizon I really don't see the value. Maybe it's just me in my area but roaming is even more useless than the 0.9mb/s I get on sprint.
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The HTC ONE, like nearly all modern smartphones is capable of operating on multiple frequencies, network types and communications technologies. However, my assumption is that the Sprint version is carrier locked to prevent use on other networks by default. Not sure that their unlocking process would open the phone to other networks.
gnex4ever said:
Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?
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You wouldn't be able to straight up put in a Verizon LTE SIM and expect it to work that would be too easy.
I would guess it's possible, but you would need a donor LTE phone. Based on looking in the HTC EVO 4g LTE forums people have put that phone on another carrier and used a donor 3g phone to get 3g working. Same could most likely be possible for the HTC One. I guess if you have enough money to buy this phone outright as well as have a donor LTE phone you can probably pay someone to do this. Only limitation would be that the 16 digit password for some programs to write specific information is most likely not available yet.
I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.
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I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.
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It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck
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It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck
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According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.
ghstudio said:
According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.
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I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"
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I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"
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Thanks....especially for that last step. I kind of figured there was something that I had to change on the phone
You may also have to manually input the correct APN info for the carrier you choose, but there should be directions with the Sim. It may just work, but it didn't for me in Australia. I had to manually do it.
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^ The above is correct, but ONLY applies to DATA & MMS. Talk/text will work even without an APN. Most times, the appropriate APN is added automatically from the SIM.
Hello,
I have a T-mobile HTC ONE M7, I'm planing to switch to Verizon, Will I be able to get LTE/4G?
Is my Tmo M7 supported at all by Verizon? What network will I be able to connect to?
Is there any way to make my phone support all or some of Verizon's bands? A ROM or a Radio!! Maybe something else!!
I have tried to find this info, but I couldn't. The only thing I found is that both T-mobile and Verizon use the 1900 band for LTE!!
Please if you know anything about this let me know
Thank you
zaid2999 said:
Hello,
I have a T-mobile HTC ONE M7, I'm planing to switch to Verizon, Will I be able to get LTE/4G?
Is my Tmo M7 supported at all by Verizon? What network will I be able to connect to?
Is there any way to make my phone support all or some of Verizon's bands? A ROM or a Radio!! Maybe something else!!
I have tried to find this info, but I couldn't. The only thing I found is that both T-mobile and Verizon use the 1900 band for LTE!!
Please if you know anything about this let me know
Thank you
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T-Mobile is a GSM phone which doesn't have any CDMA bands, so you will surely limit yourself on their network. Also, T-Mobile and Verizon have different partition tables so the firmware and roms are not compatible. If you know someone on the Verizon network, ask them if you could use their SIM card to see what type of service you get with the TMO phone. Here is comparison chart of the various HTC One's, check out the Secondary Cellular Phone.
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Like said above, TMO htc one use GSM bands and Verizon use CDMA bands. Your phone also need a MEID # (the equivalent of the EMEI for CDMA network) which you don't have on a GSM HTC One (manufacturer-assigned). And afaik, Verizon will not accept non-verizon phone on their network. Your best choice if you want to quit TMO is to choose another GSM carrier (AT&T for example). Your phone also must be sim-unlocked to change carrier.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/verizon-cdma-explained-1189551
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_equipment_identifier
Thanks guys for the replies, I thought there might be some way to change bands :cyclops: I'm not an expert lol
Looks like I will be switching to ATT
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My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.
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My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.
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the unfortunate answer is no, CDMA devices do not work on GSM networks.
Thank you sir. Guess I'll put this one up for sale for a Sprint, Verizon, or US Cellular customer.
sizemore2000 said:
My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.
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Usually CDMA Phones wont work on GSM Network. But Verizon CDMA Phones does work on GSM too when unlocked as they have GSM Frequency.
I looked at Spec of US Cellular S5 and looks they don't have GSM Frequency. Its more like a strip down version and no GSM Frequency.
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US Cellular
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 2/4/5/12/17; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
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FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 4/13; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz
ATT
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz;
sakdroid said:
Usually CDMA Phones wont work on GSM Network. But Verizon CDMA Phones does work on GSM too when unlocked as they have GSM Frequency.
I looked at Spec of US Cellular S5 and looks they don't have GSM Frequency. Its more like a strip down version and no GSM Frequency.
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US Cellular
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 2/4/5/12/17; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
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FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 4/13; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz
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FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz;
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Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.
cstayton said:
Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.
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Sorry to sound harsh but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Verizon did not (and is not planning on a) switch to GSM. They were, and still are a CDMA carrier.
The reason Verizon devices support GSM is so that their customers can roam in countries outside the US, some of which happen to use the same GSM frequencies as AT&T and T-Mobile do in the US (and therefore, by extension, support these two carriers domestically). And since all Verizon devices which include support for LTE are completely unlocked, in most instances you can take the phone and use it on AT&T or T-Mobile US. That said, when it comes to LTE specifically, these devices often do not have all of the LTE bands supported by T-Mobile and AT&T so on them they will often only work on GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G).
The reason the US Cellular variant won't work on AT&T or T-Mobile is because it looks like US Cellular didn't care about giving their customers the capability to roam internationally with their variant of the S5 - meaning they had the phone made in such a way that it doesn't support any GSM or UMTS bands at all.
myphone12345 said:
Sorry to sound harsh but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Verizon did not (and is not planning on a) switch to GSM. They were, and still are a CDMA carrier.
The reason Verizon devices support GSM is so that their customers can roam in countries outside the US, some of which happen to use the same GSM frequencies as AT&T and T-Mobile do in the US (and therefore, by extension, support these two carriers domestically). And since all Verizon devices which include support for LTE are completely unlocked, in most instances you can take the phone and use it on AT&T or T-Mobile US. That said, when it comes to LTE specifically, these devices often do not have all of the LTE bands supported by T-Mobile and AT&T so on them they will often only work on GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G).
The reason the US Cellular variant won't work on AT&T or T-Mobile is because it looks like US Cellular didn't care about giving their customers the capability to roam internationally with their variant of the S5 - meaning they had the phone made in such a way that it doesn't support any GSM or UMTS bands at all.
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calm down dude, i'm only passing on information that was provided to me by the local verizon store manager and unless your a verizon employee im gonna go with what im told by a verizon employee
cstayton said:
calm down dude, i'm only passing on information that was provided to me by the local verizon store manager and unless your a verizon employee im gonna go with what im told by a verizon employee
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that the person you talked to has no clue whatsoever (and Lord help Verizon if that is the level of technical understanding of their store managers ).
My suspicion as to where the confusion is coming from is that at some point in the future Verizon will stop putting CDMA radios in their devices and rely solely on VoLTE (voice over LTE) technology to provide voice services (currently most voice calls on Verizon are carried on their CDMA network). However, that certainly doesn't mean that they will be shutting off their CDMA service anytime in the foreseeable future .since they will still have a lot of legacy devices whose voice support will only be on CDMA. Nor does it mean that they are switching over to GSM, which is certainly not something they are planning on doing.
myphone12345 said:
I can tell you with 100% certainty that the person you talked to has no clue whatsoever (and Lord help Verizon if that is the level of technical understanding of their store managers ).
My suspicion as to where the confusion is coming from is that at some point in the future Verizon will stop putting CDMA radios in their devices and rely solely on VoLTE (voice over LTE) technology to provide voice services (currently most voice calls on Verizon are carried on their CDMA network). However, that certainly doesn't mean that they will be shutting off their CDMA service anytime in the foreseeable future .since they will still have a lot of legacy devices whose voice support will only be on CDMA. Nor does it mean that they are switching over to GSM, which is certainly not something they are planning on doing.
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well like i said was info passed on by a verizon store manager so take that as you may im not a verizon customer nor will i be since they dont provide coverage where i need it.
Thanks for the info. I ended up selling the phone on ebay and now the guy wants to send it back claiming it's only unlocked for us cellular. I told him it should work on any cdma network, but they might have to flash it on their network. Oh well, if all else fails, I can use it to download movies and stream to the TV! Lol.
I'll install Kodi on it and use it as a media center.
Lol
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Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.
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I'm just gonna LMAO to this reply. Lol. It's an old thread but I'm assuming you have done some research and realize your answer is wrong pertaining to Verizon and GSM. Have a great day.