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Hi there.
I am an owner/user of Nexus 1/HTC Desire.
I have several shortcomings of HTC, as an experience so far. Very bad speakers, really bad screen (not true multi-touch), dust under screen - and some other minor niggles. Its a shame, because I like the design/material of them usually, especially compared to Samsung/LG competitors.
Now, looking to the future, I am guessing that the screen issue is somewhat fixed - but what about things like the camera/speakers, in the newer models.
By newer of course, I mean the Incredible S - and the soon to come HTC products (the dual core/3D ones).
Right now, I am thinking between the Galaxy S2/iphone 5/possibly LG 3D - due to the bad experience I had with HTC, I haven't even given them a chance. Am I in the wrong? Have things really improved? I cannot live with a pansy speaker on my phone, it is terrible, or those reoccuring camera issues.
It's tough to say.... the 2 HTC phones i've had (HTC Hero and HTC Incredible S) have both been very good. However, the reason i've waited this long to get a new phone is because of numerous reports/reviews citing issues.
The nexus one i believe suffered from poor screen brightness, making it difficult to see in bright lights, and some of the dirt under the screen.
The Desire HD had awful battery life and some reviews stated that the battery casing feels very flimsy and breakable.
As you say, the simple fact is that the design and quality of materials is still higher than the main competitors. My other options were Motorola Atrix, which i didn't go for because it's locked to AT&T, and iphone 4, which i didn't go for because i genuinely preffered the look and feel of the incredible s, plus i have bought quite a few android apps!
I think most users are spoilt for choice nowadays... a lot of really great phones coming out this summer.
If you want to wait for it iPhone 5 or the next iteration of "Nexus" will probably be my top choices, followed closely by the Moto Atrix.
lol... that was longer than i was expecting!
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Good luck! IS won't let you down in terms of build quality. If you can wait, get iphone 5, nexus x(whatever it will be called) or moto atrix.
hmm multitouch really works ^^ and this is my first android phone where i can set the volume lower o.0 normally i had to put it as loud as possible.. now its on halve.... for the rest im very happy with this phone, especially the sort of rubber case so it feels very good
as for phones as the samsung, nexus etc. they dont feel like a phone to me.. they are very light weight... dont get me wrong but i do like to hold something that feels well and for the iphone hmm.... its part of macintosh.. im sorry but i really dont like them ^^ nor the possibilitys of their devices... i know you can do allot with em also when you jailbreaked em etc.etc. but still.. my flavour goes to android
about the battery life... hmm i hook it up every night but im sure i could do 1.5 day with it and i use it very heavily, gaming, wifi, bluetooth etc.etc.
Hawkysoft said:
hmm multitouch really works ^^ and this is my first android phone where i can set the volume lower o.0 normally i had to put it as loud as possible.. now its on halve.... for the rest im very happy with this phone, especially the sort of rubber case so it feels very good
as for phones as the samsung, nexus etc. they dont feel like a phone to me.. they are very light weight... dont get me wrong but i do like to hold something that feels well and for the iphone hmm.... its part of macintosh.. im sorry but i really dont like them ^^ nor the possibilitys of their devices... i know you can do allot with em also when you jailbreaked em etc.etc. but still.. my flavour goes to android
about the battery life... hmm i hook it up every night but im sure i could do 1.5 day with it and i use it very heavily, gaming, wifi, bluetooth etc.etc.
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This, all of it. Have the volume on half aswell.
Can do 1,5 day on a charge, thats using it the entire day/evening with the screen actually on and using wifi and bluetooth. Using it to e-mail, making calls, and listen to music. (yes I was quite surprised at that)
I've only had HTC smartphones myself, had a problem with my Touch Pro 2 once, e-mailed them about it and they exchanged it without problems and very quickly. Very satisfied with that service when I needed it for once.
This issue is present in both sony models (xperia Z & ZL). I put my ZL side by side with my old at&t branded DUAL CORE galaxy s3, a nexus 4 (same exact processor), an iphone 5, and an at&t branded htc one.... my brand new crazy expensive ZL takes WAY longer to wake up from sleep then ALL OF THEM. Every one of these phones had a BIG LEAD over my phone. How is there not a thread about this already? When I saw my old GS3 woke up way faster I was sad.... but when I saw how fast the htc one screen woke up I was straight up embarrassed. What are the odds this issue will be resolved? Developers on this forum are very capable and willing to work hard but to an extent. With so much stiff competition I have to ask how many developers will invest their time into even looking into this issue. I have tried every rom/kernel available to me at the moment to no avail. I have tried changing every setting and even eliminated the lock screen... no change. I tried raising the min. cpu speed... nothing.
To make matters worse every single one of the phones I compared my ZL to had better viewing angles and a brighter screen then the POS screen sony decided to cheap out on and stick in this phone. WHAT IS THE POINT OF HIGH PPI IF I CANT SEE ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN UNLESS I HAVE MY PROTRACTOR OUT TO MAKE SURE IM LOOKING AT THE EXACT RIGHT ANGLE. Sony should give you a free protractor key chain with the purchase of this phone I heard about this in reviews but never took it seriously because I didnt realize the extent of the issue. If I look at my phone just slightly off angle the colors are washed out and if its sitting on the table and im looking down on it from my desk the screen is 50% washed out and some colors are muted.
I hear the htc one x had the same wake lag issues and it was resolved via a software update. I wonder if we will be so lucky....
Anyone have any idea or solution to get rid of or at the very least lessen this extremely irritable wake lag?? Let me know !!
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This issue is present in both sony models (xperia Z & ZL). I put my ZL side by side with my old at&t branded DUAL CORE galaxy s3, a nexus 4 (same exact processor), an iphone 5, and an at&t branded htc one.... my brand new crazy expensive ZL takes WAY longer to wake up from sleep then ALL OF THEM. Every one of these phones had a BIG LEAD over my phone. How is there not a thread about this already? When I saw my old GS3 woke up way faster I was sad.... but when I saw how fast the htc one screen woke up I was straight up embarrassed. What are the odds this issue will be resolved? Developers on this forum are very capable and willing to work hard but to an extent. With so much stiff competition I have to ask how many developers will invest their time into even looking into this issue. I have tried every rom/kernel available to me at the moment to no avail. I have tried changing every setting and even eliminated the lock screen... no change. I tried raising the min. cpu speed... nothing.
To make matters worse every single one of the phones I compared my ZL to had better viewing angles and a brighter screen then the POS screen sony decided to cheap out on and stick in this phone. WHAT IS THE POINT OF HIGH PPI IF I CANT SEE ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN UNLESS I HAVE MY PROTRACTOR OUT TO MAKE SURE IM LOOKING AT THE EXACT RIGHT ANGLE. Sony should give you a free protractor key chain with the purchase of this phone I heard about this in reviews but never took it seriously because I didnt realize the extent of the issue. If I look at my phone just slightly off angle the colors are washed out and if its sitting on the table and im looking down on it from my desk the screen is 50% washed out and some colors are muted.
I hear the htc one x had the same wake lag issues and it was resolved via a software update. I wonder if we will be so lucky....
Anyone have any idea or solution to get rid of or at the very least lessen this extremely irritable wake lag?? Let me know !!
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To be honest, I don't notice any wake lag on my device. I was using a Note 2 prior to this phone, and there were complaints about the wake lag which I too noticed. Coming to this phone, my screen is quick to wake up. I have no complaints regarding this.
Screen angle, this is something many have been complaining about but I view my device at the normal viewing angle and so far it doesn't bother me. Yes, when I look at my phone while it being on a table, the color do look washed out, but again, nothing too bad. You're complaining about the lack of brightness on the device, however where are you facing such an issue? Indoors or outdoors? I use my device at the lowest brightness and yet it is brighter than my Note 2. I have no complains over the brightness of this device.
My only issue with it is the battery life and the vividness of the color reproduced by the screen, however I am sure it can be improved by software updates.
There is the awful hissing noise during calls. It happens when person I'm talking to speaks. Its getting annoying....anyone else having issues with this? You can really tell when on speakerphone.
Don't want to go back to the Evo LTE
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Not with mine... Been great both phone and speakerphone...
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Can we make this the official "I love this phone but..." thread. I think we really need to keep all these nit-picky things in one thread.
Sure....
Explicit.....you've has this phone for awhile...have you had this problem?
Just wondering if I should exchange it or not
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Sure....
Explicit.....you've has this phone for awhile...have you had this problem?
Just wondering if I should exchange it or not
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To be honest, no. If it's a hissing sound you're hearing (which I haven't heard myself), I would take it back to Sprint and tell them about it. Then get a replacement. I'm sorry if I sounded like a DB, but it's just that the phone really isn't anywhere near a problem as some people make it out to be. People over the on the EVO 4G LTE boards are saying it's hardly and upgrade, I almost wanted to ball my fist around my One and punch a hole through my monitor.
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To be honest, no. If it's a hissing sound you're hearing (which I haven't heard myself), I would take it back to Sprint and tell them about it. Then get a replacement. I'm sorry if I sounded like a DB, but it's just that the phone really isn't anywhere near a problem as some people make it out to be. People over the on the EVO 4G LTE boards are saying it's hardly and upgrade, I almost wanted to ball my fist around my One and punch a hole through my monitor.
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Upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade.... No matter which way you slice it. .
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To be honest, no. If it's a hissing sound you're hearing (which I haven't heard myself), I would take it back to Sprint and tell them about it. Then get a replacement. I'm sorry if I sounded like a DB, but it's just that the phone really isn't anywhere near a problem as some people make it out to be. People over the on the EVO 4G LTE boards are saying it's hardly and upgrade, I almost wanted to ball my fist around my One and punch a hole through my monitor.
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Not at all did it sound like a db.
And I hear you man....a lot of nit picky stuff. This is by far the best phone I have owned. I compared the screen to my LTE...AND realized how much crisper the One is.
Just need the phone portion of the phone to function properly lol
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Upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade.... No matter which way you slice it. .
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I agree, I just can't stand some people that act like the phone isn't as hyped up as it really is. This phone is HUGE for HTC, and everyone should really not nit-pick at not having a removable battery, or no SD card slot, or kick stand, or this and that. It's really all just trolling in my book.
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Not at all did it sound like a db.
And I hear you man....a lot of nit picky stuff. This is by far the best phone I have owned. I compared the screen to my LTE...AND realized how much crisper the One is.
Just need the phone portion of the phone to function properly lol
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I agree. The core functionality of the phone should work 100%. Mine works as it should, so I'm not complaining. But like I said, Sprint should be told about it, and it should be replaced if it bothers you.
But the overheating feel is a little overbearing at times when I'm holding the device,especially if it's on the charger at the same time
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I got this phone on release day and I haven't experienced anything close to what I've read from other people about the build quality. I've been totally satisfied with the phone and its feature set. There has been times my phone has gotten hot but it happened with the evo3d too. When devices use as much power as these things demand of course there will be some heat. But overall the phone is well built and works flawlessly for me
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I got this phone on release day and I haven't experienced anything close to what I've read from other people about the build quality. I've been totally satisfied with the phone and its feature set. There has been times my phone has gotten hot but it happened with the evo3d too. When devices use as much power as these things demand of course there will be some heat. But overall the phone is well built and works flawlessly for me
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Same here. And for the heat, I saw someone compare it to your PC or PS3. When I'm running games on my PS3 Slim is gets pretty hot. That's what it does.
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Same here. And for the heat, I saw someone compare it to your PC or PS3. When I'm running games on my PS3 Slim is gets pretty hot. That's what it does.
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True. When you compare it to other phones, it gets just as warm. The reason why you think it's really "hot" is bc it's aluminum, which is a good conductor. Keep in mind that when the phone is in cooler conditions, the internals will be much cooler than the insides of a plastic phone.
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True. When you compare it to other phones, it gets just as warm. The reason why you think it's really "hot" is bc it's aluminum, which is a good conductor. Keep in mind that when the phone is in cooler conditions, the internals will be much cooler than the insides of a plastic phone.
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Right. And in the end I think it is a good thing. If the heat is dissipating through the metal case, the processor is staying cooler. Plus with my case on it I don't feel the heat as much now.
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I got this phone on release day and I haven't experienced anything close to what I've read from other people about the build quality. I've been totally satisfied with the phone and its feature set. There has been times my phone has gotten hot but it happened with the evo3d too. When devices use as much power as these things demand of course there will be some heat. But overall the phone is well built and works flawlessly for me
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Most of the people complaining are samsuck fanboys and don't even own the phone.
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Most of the people complaining are samsuck fanboys and don't even own the phone.
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I 100 % agree with you. I just wish those people would stop trolling, it's going on for months.
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Mine had quite a bit of hissing on the first day I had it (launch day). A couple days later it was gone. Maybe Sprint did something on their end?
I think my biggest issue right now is that bluetooth audio is distorted when I stream to my car. It's pretty much unlistenable.
The only other thing I can think of is that when I'm using headphones to listen to music and one of my alarms goes off, after the alarm is dismissed the music goes up to the alarm's volume level. Pretty painful when that happened.
Minor Issues Experienced So Far:
- Long gaming sessions make the phone incredibly hot, almost too hot, but not quite
- Sometimes pressing / holding Home button doesn't open Google Now ... or do anything
- Kind of difficult to use with one hand sometimes due to it's length and fact that it's top heavy
- Camera 'over-focuses' at night - Takes good night shots but sometimes will get stuck in a 'focus loop' for a few seconds
- Trying to switch to Swype takes some doing - It's in the notification bar but not in the Language / KB settings
- Annoying that unlocking the bootloader (rooting) erases all user data with no option to not do that
- Annoying auto-brightness for screen - Placement for the sensor for a righty is right under hand
- Confusing Camera Settings for Scene Types: Normal, Night, HDR. Night setting makes WORSE photos than Normal setting AT night.
- I miss the Motorola / Samsung options. Night, Twilight, Backlit, Inside Dark, etc.
- Last volume before mute setting is actually fairly loud, have to use touch interface to dial it in right
- Micro-USB slot is 'upside-down' compared to most others which have small end on top.
- Little slippery without a case
- Touch doesn't work with gloves at all - vs. my previous Droid Charge which did
Moderate Issue:
- No LTE in my area (yet), 3G gets terribad reception indoors (could be a Sprint thing in general).
Even with these minor issues - most of which can and probably will be fixed with software updates - I still love this thing. It's just unbelievably fast. The fact that it boots in under 10 seconds, the fact that I can run any game (ShadowGun and Real Racing 3 look amazing), and load it in seconds, is awesome. The IR blaster is probably one of the features I have used the most. From controlling a bar TV to my home, it's incredibly convenient. I also have come to love BlinkFeed and just about everything else. This phone gets attention in public for the screen and the beautifully engineered design. I love it.
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Minor Issues Experienced So Far:
- Long gaming sessions make the phone incredibly hot, almost too hot, but not quite
- Sometimes pressing / holding Home button doesn't open Google Now ... or do anything
- Kind of difficult to use with one hand sometimes due to it's length and fact that it's top heavy
- Camera 'over-focuses' at night - Takes good night shots but sometimes will get stuck in a 'focus loop' for a few seconds
- Trying to switch to Swype takes some doing - It's in the notification bar but not in the Language / KB settings
- Annoying that unlocking the bootloader (rooting) erases all user data with no option to not do that
- Annoying auto-brightness for screen - Placement for the sensor for a righty is right under hand
- Confusing Camera Settings for Scene Types: Normal, Night, HDR. Night setting makes WORSE photos than Normal setting AT night.
- I miss the Motorola / Samsung options. Night, Twilight, Backlit, Inside Dark, etc.
- Last volume before mute setting is actually fairly loud, have to use touch interface to dial it in right
- Micro-USB slot is 'upside-down' compared to most others which have small end on top.
- Little slippery without a case
- Touch doesn't work with gloves at all - vs. my previous Droid Charge which did
Moderate Issue:
- No LTE in my area (yet), 3G gets terribad reception indoors (could be a Sprint thing in general).
Even with these minor issues - most of which can and probably will be fixed with software updates - I still love this thing. It's just unbelievably fast. The fact that it boots in under 10 seconds, the fact that I can run any game (ShadowGun and Real Racing 3 look amazing), and load it in seconds, is awesome. The IR blaster is probably one of the features I have used the most. From controlling a bar TV to my home, it's incredibly convenient. I also have come to love BlinkFeed and just about everything else. This phone gets attention in public for the screen and the beautifully engineered design. I love it.
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This must be your first HTC phone. My EVO 3D, EVO 4G LTE and my HTC One all have the USB port positioned the exact same way. I've never really handled a phone other than HTC phones, so I don't know if Samsung has it the other way, or any other manufacturers.
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This must be your first HTC phone. My EVO 3D, EVO 4G LTE and my HTC One all have the USB port positioned the exact same way. I've never really handled a phone other than HTC phones, so I don't know if Samsung has it the other way, or any other manufacturers.
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Had a Droid X, and Droid Charge are like that for me.
Let me start by saying that I am an avid HTC fan. Been using all HTC flagship devices..but now I feel its time for a change. I love the One, especially the speakers and the feel of the device, but the camera is really bad. So now I was thinking of moving to the Z1...but before I do..I have couple of queries
1. Custom ROM: I ALWAYS use custom ROMS and I am not too impressed with the choices. Either way, since I have no control over which ROM version I am going to get, I was wondering if there are bootloader lock issues, or other things I should be concerned about? Do I really need to unlock boot loader before I install a custom ROM?
2. I read that the camera doesnt work if the bootloader is unlocked..is this still true? If yes, then how do you guys manage?
3. I read the speakers arent that great (and no comparison to the HTC one), but how is the headphone sound? I read that these devices use the same audio chipset and I know PureX audio (or something like that is great) is available. What is the general view?
4. Do I really need to get a case? (I HATE cases...just kills the beauty of the device!)
Appreciate your comments/remarks.
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Let me start by saying that I am an avid HTC fan. Been using all HTC flagship devices..but now I feel its time for a change. I love the One, especially the speakers and the feel of the device, but the camera is really bad. So now I was thinking of moving to the Z1...but before I do..I have couple of queries
1. Custom ROM: I ALWAYS use custom ROMS and I am not too impressed with the choices. Either way, since I have no control over which ROM version I am going to get, I was wondering if there are bootloader lock issues, or other things I should be concerned about? Do I really need to unlock boot loader before I install a custom ROM?
2. I read that the camera doesnt work if the bootloader is unlocked..is this still true? If yes, then how do you guys manage?
3. I read the speakers arent that great (and no comparison to the HTC one), but how is the headphone sound? I read that these devices use the same audio chipset and I know PureX audio (or something like that is great) is available. What is the general view?
4. Do I really need to get a case? (I HATE cases...just kills the beauty of the device!)
Appreciate your comments/remarks.
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hi i am also htc fan had htc one replaced it for z1 due to purple tint issue
1)at the moment unlocking bootloader causes camera to break and sony might solve this issue in future
2)at this moment happy with the stock and some roms which can be flashed with locked bootloader
3)as compared to htc one not that much great
4)it depends on u r use i found no need of case
I can't comment on any of the ROM questions as I haven't gone in to that yet, but for the others...
Headphone sound is excellent. I bluetooth mine to some Sony MDR1BT's and the quality is very good. Very negligible difference between BT and cable operation. I have a few sets of high end cans and the quality is right up there. Can't say what the cheap earbuds are like that you get with the phone as I haven't taken them out of the packaging!
With the case, I'm 100% with you on that one, I hate cases on phones. However, the anti shatter film that they put on the front and back scratches ridiculously easy. Easier than most screen protectors I've used (also not a big fan of those either). The glass is meant to be very durable, but the film on top is not. I'd recommend a tempered glass set, pretty sure you can get them for the front and back.
Camera will break if you try to unlock, rooting and installing Xperia roms however are fine
Also I am really mad about the camera quality...
You should also know that you won't be having a lot of choices in rom and mode department, if you come from HTC (like me) you will feel a giant hole in Z1 threads...
Speaker is not going to be pleasing in anyway but you should know that this is a waterproof phone, so shouldn't be having high expectations, and finally I don't use cases and this phone really doesn't need one so no worries there
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But for some reason I like the Z1 better than the One
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aidicula said:
Let me start by saying that I am an avid HTC fan. Been using all HTC flagship devices..but now I feel its time for a change. I love the One, especially the speakers and the feel of the device, but the camera is really bad. So now I was thinking of moving to the Z1...but before I do..I have couple of queries
1. Custom ROM: I ALWAYS use custom ROMS and I am not too impressed with the choices. Either way, since I have no control over which ROM version I am going to get, I was wondering if there are bootloader lock issues, or other things I should be concerned about? Do I really need to unlock boot loader before I install a custom ROM?
2. I read that the camera doesnt work if the bootloader is unlocked..is this still true? If yes, then how do you guys manage?
3. I read the speakers arent that great (and no comparison to the HTC one), but how is the headphone sound? I read that these devices use the same audio chipset and I know PureX audio (or something like that is great) is available. What is the general view?
4. Do I really need to get a case? (I HATE cases...just kills the beauty of the device!)
Appreciate your comments/remarks.
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Hi mate
1. We have, for now, just a few custom ROMs, based on CM (PAC) or based on stock which is better solution for now - because we still have camera problem when we unlock bootloader.
And, yes, if you want custom ROM based on CM or anything else except stock you have to unlock bootloader because you have to flash custom kernel and it's possible to flash kernels only when you unlock bootloader.
2. Yes, camera will broke if you unlock bootloader, for now.
But, as you could see, few guys claims that have informations that Sony is already working on it.
Also, what's important is to backup TA numbers before you unlock bootloader.
On custom ROM you can't use X-Reality and you'll lost any chance to get it back even when you go nack to stock - if you haven't backup TA.
You have great tutorials for that.
3. Speaker is good enough.
You have MODs and you don't have to unlock bootloader to flash that MOD.
But headphones that you get with your phone are great - sound is deep and the base is strong and clear.
If you are using professional headphones you'll get even better sound.
4 Absolutely agree with that statement.
Z1 is beautiful device and it would be shame to put "condom" over it.
I bought front and back screen protectors (follies) and just ordered rubber frame for it.
You can buy rubber or metal frame that looks awesome and protect device but your device isn't covered with case and it's perfectly visible.
I would definitely recommed Z1.
I had few Xperia devices (I still have them) and I can say Z1 is the best device I ever had.
Elegant, fast and beautiful.
And....as we are on 4.2.2 and are very, very satisfied, you can just imagine how happy we will be when we get Kitkat for it
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Also coming from the HTC One to the Z1 and this is my first Sony, it seemed like the logical choice and it's certainly the best phone for me at the moment anyway, it beats the competition in my eyes.
As for my reaction to the Z1 and it's performance, well i couldn't be happier, i'm not knocking the One, i think it's a fantastic phone and I would still recommend it to anyone.
I'm running a custom rom on my Z1 at the moment, Monx rom and it's superb, i've got CRT off animation and various tweaks by using xposed mod, i'm also running the google launcher from the Nexus 5 and all in all it's a great combination.
Audio, screen, camera, build quality, battery life, functionality and performance are all top notch, well worth the upgrade.
The bootloader isn't an issue as you can still flash custom rom's.
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Also coming from the HTC One to the Z1 and this is my first Sony, it seemed like the logical choice and it's certainly the best phone for me at the moment anyway, it beats the competition in my eyes.
As for my reaction to the Z1 and it's performance, well i couldn't be happier, i'm not knocking the One, i think it's a fantastic phone and I would still recommend it to anyone.
I'm running a custom rom on my Z1 at the moment, Monx rom and it's superb, i've got CRT off animation and various tweaks by using xposed mod, i'm also running the google launcher from the Nexus 5 and all in all it's a great combination.
Audio, screen, camera, build quality, battery life, functionality and performance are all top notch, well worth the upgrade.
The bootloader isn't an issue as you can still flash custom rom's.
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I wasn't very happy with my xperia x10 because of the updates, so I decided to give sony one more try, I come from HTC One to Z1 (Bell C6906), all I can say is very disappointed, the phone is heavy and more bulkier for a 5" screen hard to operate with one hand, speaker is lousy even compared to my old S3, camera is okay but not what it seems to be 20mp, the whites on website is yellowish even with brightness to high compare to the htc with auto brightness (but I don't have the yellow tint on the device) viewing angles are bad I just tilt the phone 10 degress and the color is washed out, I have to look at the device straight on, I keep my htc one any day over the z1, waterproof is just another gimmick, the phone software/hardware is buggy, it reboots randomly and I was on my 2 DOA replacement, finally sold the Z1 I hope sony can learn from their mistakes and make a better device on their next flagship but for now im staying away from their device because all those problems
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I wasn't very happy with my xperia x10 because of the updates, so I decided to give sony one more try, I come from HTC One to Z1 (Bell C6906), all I can say is very disappointed, the phone is heavy and more bulkier for a 5" screen hard to operate with one hand, speaker is lousy even compared to my old S3, camera is okay but not what it seems to be 20mp, the whites on website is yellowish even with brightness to high compare to the htc with auto brightness (but I don't have the yellow tint on the device) viewing angles are bad I just tilt the phone 10 degress and the color is washed out, I have to look at the device straight on, I keep my htc one any day over the z1, waterproof is just another gimmick, the phone software/hardware is buggy, it reboots randomly and I was on my 2 DOA replacement, finally sold the Z1 I hope sony can learn from their mistakes and make a better device on their next flagship but for now im staying away from their device because all those problems
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The Z1 is a stellar phone, the only problem at the moment is development, however once the camera / bootlock issue is fixed i believe that will turn around, don't get me wrong i loved my HTC, but you really can't compare a last gen phone to a next gen phone and that's what these two are, regardless of how old they are, the 800 is the newest hardware available and if you want to compare it to another device then you should only compare it to another 800 (note 3 and G2) pitting it against the HTC One is a little like bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's going to lose.
As for the screen, I have to agree with you in terms of visibility, but then again i don't hold my phone on a slant when i use it so hardly anything to write home about.
As for the Camera, there is a manual mode so I suggest you look into using that properly before you judge it, simply using the automatic option is going to give you an 8MP picture with lots of features turned on to make it look as good as possible, hardly something a person with knowledge of a decent camera would do.
The bugs you mentioned are literally software issues which will be ironed out with further updates and as i said before once the camera / bootlock issue is sorted i have every confidence that they will be rectified.
As for the bulkiness, i actually like the size, i do have quite big hands so i guess it fits me, I did use the phone in the shop before i bought it so i knew it would work ok, i guess you should have done the same before commiting, bit of a rookie mistake in all fairness.
The speaker is a bit of a come down from the HTC One's boom sound speakers but in terms of loudness and with active equalizers on both, i think you'll find that the Z1's speaker isn't half bad and with them both playing infront of me you could hear both, the HTC didn't exactly drown out the sound of the Z1 so again I believe you should spend a little time tweaking your phone to get the most out of it.
The yellowish tint you describe I actually can't say that I have noticed it, but it's possible that your eyes are playing tricks on you as you've come from one screen to another entirely, check out an s3 compared to the HTC One and you'll see that the One appears to be washed out, but this is just a different screen, not worse or better, different people like different things.
Anyway, none of this matters because by all accounts you've sold your phone now, I just find it strange that you would go out and buy one and then find out all the things that you could have summarized in a shop ?
Either way, good luck with whatever phone you pick next, for me and a lot of others, the Z1 is the best of the bunch at the moment, so it's either Samsung's note 3 or the G2, and I do believe that both of those phones aren't without issues and definitely a pair of large phones if using it with one hand was an issue on the Z1.
PS: Lastly, the water proof casing for me is superb, I can use the phone in the rain (i live in the UK) for me it's a great feature and not a gimmick as you say, the last thing you need is something going wrong with your phone, only for the company to tell you it's water damaged even though you have never got the bugger wet before.
Just my two cents.
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The Z1 is a stellar phone, the only problem at the moment is development, however once the camera / bootlock issue is fixed i believe that will turn around, don't get me wrong i loved my HTC, but you really can't compare a last gen phone to a next gen phone and that's what these two are, regardless of how old they are, the 800 is the newest hardware available and if you want to compare it to another device then you should only compare it to another 800 (note 3 and G2) pitting it against the HTC One is a little like bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's going to lose.
As for the screen, I have to agree with you in terms of visibility, but then again i don't hold my phone on a slant when i use it so hardly anything to write home about.
As for the Camera, there is a manual mode so I suggest you look into using that properly before you judge it, simply using the automatic option is going to give you an 8MP picture with lots of features turned on to make it look as good as possible, hardly something a person with knowledge of a decent camera would do.
The bugs you mentioned are literally software issues which will be ironed out with further updates and as i said before once the camera / bootlock issue is sorted i have every confidence that they will be rectified.
As for the bulkiness, i actually like the size, i do have quite big hands so i guess it fits me, I did use the phone in the shop before i bought it so i knew it would work ok, i guess you should have done the same before commiting, bit of a rookie mistake in all fairness.
The speaker is a bit of a come down from the HTC One's boom sound speakers but in terms of loudness and with active equalizers on both, i think you'll find that the Z1's speaker isn't half bad and with them both playing infront of me you could hear both, the HTC didn't exactly drown out the sound of the Z1 so again I believe you should spend a little time tweaking your phone to get the most out of it.
The yellowish tint you describe I actually can't say that I have noticed it, but it's possible that your eyes are playing tricks on you as you've come from one screen to another entirely, check out an s3 compared to the HTC One and you'll see that the One appears to be washed out, but this is just a different screen, not worse or better, different people like different things.
Anyway, none of this matters because by all accounts you've sold your phone now, I just find it strange that you would go out and buy one and then find out all the things that you could have summarized in a shop ?
Either way, good luck with whatever phone you pick next, for me and a lot of others, the Z1 is the best of the bunch at the moment, so it's either Samsung's note 3 or the G2, and I do believe that both of those phones aren't without issues and definitely a pair of large phones if using it with one hand was an issue on the Z1.
PS: Lastly, the water proof casing for me is superb, I can use the phone in the rain (i live in the UK) for me it's a great feature and not a gimmick as you say, the last thing you need is something going wrong with your phone, only for the company to tell you it's water damaged even though you have never got the bugger wet before.
Just my two cents.
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In real life everyday use you don't notice a huge difference between snapdragon 800 to 600 speed unless you are a benchmark freak, The HTC One doesn't washed out compared to the S3, you can notice the display on the HTC one a lot whiter and more sharper than the S3, I still have both devices maybe u are a defective One? I have tried the camera in 20mp manual mode play around w the ISO and EV setting I still think its not a 20mp camera phone more of a 13, i was able to test the g2 is felt nicely in a single hand use but is the power and volume key in the back is just not so good, I wish I could try the Z1 device here in Canada I went to many shops they don't even have a demo display if they did I would've tested it before I commited buy. As you can read in the forum not everyone z1 device is waterproof when its submerged in water and why a company dont cover water damage on their warranty, if a device is certified waterproof why not warranty it, I'm not saying Z1 is a bad device but the viewing angle is just deal breaker for me since my phone mostly on a table at work I don't always hold the device dead on
I'm personally using a One and bought my wife a Z1. The Z1 is pretty snappy but the screen viewing angles (while sharing video with someone) and sound is a disappointment compared to the One. The water proofing is top notch (tested thoroughly because of the 6 month accidental damage warranty). Anyone invested in the HTC Sense experience will face a few issues initially especially with migrating from the excellent contacts/ phone application in Sense phones. My wife is now using a purchased app to manage her contacts, ex-dialer or something. Z1's running stock rooted with Xposed.
And like others have already pointed out, ROM dev is pretty scarce on the Z1.
Try the 4.4 launcher and other apps on the z1, simply brilliant.
The OK Google voice activation is quality, works perfect an i've even got a scouse accent.
Cool Can U Give Me Link To Those Apps From Where You've Downloaded !
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Cool Can U Give Me Link To Those Apps From Where You've Downloaded !
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Here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506595
Thanks Btw Another Question That Ok Google Thing (Whatever We Call) Can i Run This In My Another Cell ?
Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
Bummer. I'm really happy with mine. Well good luck to you.
cant put mine down. really love how it looks and feels. also its super fast with the nova launcher.
Battery life is good to me. I'm all stock and not rooted. I will believe you have good battery life once I seen your screenshots from the HTC.
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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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No reason regretting your purchase. No one is ever stuck with a phone when they have one that is worth some money. Sell the N5 and you will make more than enough to get a HTC ONE or trade someone strait up. It sounds like you are a HTC fan and not really fond of stock android and that is okay.
Have you heard the speakers after the 4.4.2 update? They sound MUCH better to me.
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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.
I'll trade straight up
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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.
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I have an HTC One (Verizon) that I dropped as soon as the Nexus 5 came out. There's no looking back for me, as I previously had a Nexus 4 and left it for the One. I'm back on T-Mobile, and back with the Nexus line, and I love it. So if you're really looking to dump your N5 and get back to HTC, send me a PM. I'll trade you straight up. My HTC One is Mint.
I've owned a few htc and samsung phones, also a galaxy nexus and a nexus 4, and for me the nexus 5 is the best device (looks+performance) i ever owned. Period.
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I somewhat agree with you. My first N5 had the speaker problem. I returned it and my replacement sounds good now. It is plenty loud, but I would like a little bit better sound quality. Instead of one speaker and one faux speaker, two speakers would have been nice. My battery lasts me all day with even heavy use. By far, the biggest battery hog is the screen. I use Lux for better brightness controls, and Tasker to turn on/off wifi, data, GPS, and other battery thieves automatically. See my screen shot.
As stated by others, having a Nexus is more about the operating system and not the hardware. I use a Nexus for all the custom mods and Roms. You can't have a better device than the latest Nexus for that.
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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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I was in your shoes.. Decided to let the N5 go.. And I was a big fan of the N4. The size, the feel in hand, the bad cracking speaker, I just wasn't happy with it.
ausaras said:
Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Well.... in regards to the feel of the phone.... a lot of people went with the black N5, simply because of the different back panel. The white N5's panel is more of a smooth plastic, whereas the black is what i can best describe as slightly rubberized. Does feel quite nice, at least to me, coming from a Motorola Atrix 4g and a Galaxy S3.
As for the built-in speaker.... it's rare to find a phone where they're reasonable.... HTC One aside. It only has one tiny speaker, but still sounds FAR better than my GS3 and Atrix did. But i don't really use the speaker for much... so that doesn't really bother me.
Battery life.... i dunno... i have to say i think it does fairly well. Lasts a fair bit longer than my S3 did with similar usage, and even on the stock ROM.
As for the LED.... it IS "fully rounded"... it just has a bit of a dithered outside edge. I'm assuming that's to try and make it appear as less of a beacon of light in a dark room when it's flashing (Like my S3's notification LED was). As for "colors mixed in along the edge".... uuh.... you DO understand how RGB LED's work, right? They essentially have three semiconductor sets that, when current is applied, light up in a different color. One red, one blue, one green. Which is usually why they can only really do variations on those three colors very well... not so much with a custom color. If you look at the LED when it's trying to recreate "white".... you'll see that around the edge, it looks like there's some red, green, and blue there, too. That's because there is. It's how they create white light with RGB LED's. It's probably not really visible on some other phones because they probably do more to hide the outside edges of the LED. Kinda like how HTC seems to have a thing for hiding it in the speaker/headphone grille.
I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.
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I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.
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That's why it was better when carriers didn't sell the nexus. Nobody out of the development world knew about them
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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five
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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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Had a GS4 too with a 64gb micro-SD, I was a little apprehensive at first, mostly due to the storage downgrade. But now, having my N5 for about 3 weeks, I don't regret it at all.
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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five
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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.
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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.
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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...
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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...
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Again, absolutely none of this is a surprise if you educate yourself about the product you're buying. It has nothing to do with fanboyism.
I will say, though, that I totally disagree with your assessment of the screen. I don't have a single use case that requires me to view the phone diagonally and off-axis. Viewing angles are great from the sides, top, and bottom, and that's all I need. To each his own.
You guys fail to realize this is a cheaply made $350 device. Stop comparing it to devices double the price
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