Hello, It is possible to buy moto x phone on official site and receive in France. The phone support french phone networks like Orange or SFR ? Sorry for my english.
Thanks.
i would guess the only way you will be able to buy it is say through ebay from a seller willing to ship to you (i sent a puerto rico XT1058 unlocked to a guy in the UK...)
they are GSM phones so it shoudl support at least HSPA+. none of the moto phones support the french LTE bands i dont think though.
I agree: you will have to buy it on ebay(like me) or use one of the services that gives you temporary adress in USA so you can order it(this will cost you more, but you can create your own Moto on moto maker, so it can be worth it if you want some unusual color).
As far as I know, majority of Europe networks are GSM, so you don't want one from Verizon or US Cellular(these are CDMA, although I have once seen GSM Verizon version, but they are quite rare on ebay)
Also don't be afraid of locked phones, 99.9% of them can by unlocked for something around 15$ and amount of carrier bloatware is minimal. (Mine Moto is from AT&T and I was able to disable everything except one contact synchronization service)
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daemontus said:
I agree: you will have to buy it on ebay(like me) or use one of the services that gives you temporary adress in USA so you can order it(this will cost you more, but you can create your own Moto on moto maker, so it can be worth it if you want some unusual color).
As far as I know, majority of Europe networks are GSM, so you don't want one from Verizon or US Cellular(these are CDMA, although I have once seen GSM Verizon version, but they are quite rare on ebay)
Also don't be afraid of locked phones, 99.9% of them can by unlocked for something around 15$ and amount of carrier bloatware is minimal. (Mine Moto is from AT&T and I was able to disable everything except one contact synchronization service)
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the verizon XT1060 edition , is GSM compatible, just no LTE (really no difference from your point of view in france). verizon's new moto phones have been GSM unlocked for a while from the factory (even the last generation).
i wouldnt recommend it unless it was very very cheap though as verizon updates are slow, and the bootloader is locked. you'd be better off with one of the puerto rico / chile ones since at least you could unlock and flash the dev images.
Hello all,
I live in the US now but gonna back to France eventually. I plan on buying a Moto X with moto maker using the 150$ coupon and using it in France at some point. My questions are :
- Is there any difference beetween the T-Mobile and ATandT version ? (I know that I don't want a CDMA version)
- Is there a difference beetween the GSM Developper Edition and the one from T-Mob. and ATandT ?
- When it's come to Android update, wich version will you think update the fastest ?
Thanks,
Julien
Different types of Moto x
If you want to use the Moto x in Europe (France) you should know these:
1 Basicly you have two different types of Moto x as far as concerns radio frequencies: GSM type and CDMA type. You can't use CDMA type in Europe therefore you must select between GSM types. CDMA types are phones branded for Verizon, Sprint and any others intended for their networks (US Cellular...).
2 Special case is Republic Wireless which seems to use the dedicated voip application (sip), working primarily on its wireless network and in extension on the Sprint CDMA.
3 On the GSM side you have in the USA phones for the following operators: AT&T, T-mobile and developers edition. In Canada you can get Rogers network which is host for the Fido operator as well.
4. In central and South America you can find Nextel in Mexico, Claro in Chile, Columbia, Peru, Brazil and Puerto Rico and Movistar in Argentina. I might have ommited some of them but they all operates on GSM network.
5. Moto x is sold on the contract in Germany as well for pretty high price and i believe that it is a T-mobile model.
So what is important for the Eropean to make a right choise? You must know that all this phones are more or less branded and some of them locked to the original network. You might experience a serious problem trying to unlock one.
The second fact worth to be considered is the LTE network. It is true that it is not so widely spreaded in Europe as in the USA but it can comes a point in the year or two. And you don't want to buy a fairly expensive phone for six months, do you?
Taking these into the consideration I've been learned so far:
Model XT1058 covered highest number of LTE bands among all. Model XT1058 covers LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100/2600. It is sold by AT&T and some Central/South American operators. While is likely that AT&T's model lacks 2600 band as Jelly Bean and regarding some testimonies gains it with the KITKAT, the others seem to have even more LTE bands deactivated and are practically unuseful in Europe.
Unfortunatelly AT&T's model has others significiant disadvantages: the bootloader is not unlockable what simply means that you might never have opportunity to install the custum ROM. And what is worst: in the last time you hardly get unlock code and that might force you to be hooked on the AT&T network for a long time or forever.
T-mobile and developers models both work on LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 frequencies, what means that they match only one european band - 2100. LTE frequencies which are mostly in use in Europe are: 1800, 2100 and 2600. Otherwise this two models come with unlockable bootloader and they are not locked to any network.
Rogers and Fido have both unlockable bootloader, they are not locked to any network, not branded and they work on LTE 2100 and 2600.
It's hard to collect these information and make an optimal decision. Feel free to correct or amend me if you find that I failed in any part of my explanation. But now I know for sure: if I had this knowledge before, I'd undoubtly opted for the Rogers model.
Thanks for this amazing explanation ! It should be pinned somewhere.
Here is what I understand from your answer and all I read :
- I might be able to have the 4G LTE in France with the ATandT version (2600) but it could be tricky to unlock. I'm not sure I understand the KITKAT parts (My english is not so good)
- T mobile are not locked and it's easy to unlock the bootloader. About LTE you say it has 2100. But I don't think we have this frequency available in France. From the wikipedia article it's more 800, 1800 and 2600. So I might not have LTE. Do you know about HSPA+ ?
- The rogers version could be the best option. What about the price ? Can I pick this provider trought the motomaker with Cybermonday deal ?
Now About the 4G LTE in France 2 things :
- The cover is really poor right now unless you live inside a big city
- The plan are way more expensive than regular 3G (HSPA+) except for ''Free Mobile'' who just add the LTE for free at no extra cost (But has a really really bad cover)
That's why I could go with a HSPA version only.
Thanks you again for you answers ! I'm glad I registered on the XDA forum today
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Thanks for this amazing explanation ! It should be pinned somewhere.
Here is what I understand from your answer and all I read :
- I might be able to have the 4G LTE in France with the ATandT version (2600) but it could be tricky to unlock. I'm not sure I understand the KITKAT parts (My english is not so good)
- T mobile are not locked and it's easy to unlock the bootloader. About LTE you say it has 2100. But I don't think we have this frequency available in France. From the wikipedia article it's more 800, 1800 and 2600. So I might not have LTE. Do you know about HSPA+ ?
- The rogers version could be the best option. What about the price ? Can I pick this provider trought the motomaker with Cybermonday deal ?
Now About the 4G LTE in France 2 things :
- The cover is really poor right now unless you live inside a big city
- The plan are way more expensive than regular 3G (HSPA+) except for ''Free Mobile'' who just add the LTE for free at no extra cost (But has a really really bad cover)
That's why I could go with a HSPA version only.
Thanks you again for you answers ! I'm glad I registered on the XDA forum today
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Hi,
the detailed description of Moto x LTE frequencies could be found on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X. The only question is how accurate it is. Regarding my experience you should be careful with Central/South American bands and ask the seller about details before buying one. I asked a lot and once got the information that Claro's from Puerto Rico only supports LTE 700/850/1700. And it is confirmed that AT&T's Moto x with initial operating system (4.2.2) doesn't work on 2600Mhz. Regarding Wiki and some claims, when you upgrade it to 4.4 (KitKat), you get 2600 on LTE. That's what I ment in previous comment about LTE and AT&T. But this is just unproved information though there isn't any 2600MHz LTE network in the USA and nobody has tested it yet. In the USA they prefer lower LTE bands (700, 850 MHz) because they can obtain better signal range and penetration through buildings. But you can gain broader bandwith on higher frequencies, that's why Americans later built more networks on 1700, 1900 and 2500 MHz.
To make the situation clear: AT&T has on the LTE the most suatible frequencies to European networks. According to the Wiki is the same with other XT1058 models, Central/South American Vivo, Claro, Movistar. But for the latest Wiki might be wrong, it worth checking before buying.
As I mentioned before, AT&T's models has other more serious disadvantages. But I wouldn't neglect the LTE capacity of the phone, the features of modern phones which firstly look uninteresting becomes very actual this year. I mean NFC (apps management, direct payment) and LTE. Although LTE is not even nearly as widely spreaded in Europe as in the USA, the situation might change in the near future. European Commission which is very innovative on the field of mobile communications, issued last year the Decision 243/2012/EU establishing a multiannual radio spectrum policy to year 2020. In this policy it not only encourages member states to develop the 4G networks but make them also commited to. The frequencies available for the LTE should be:
- 790 do 862 MHz,
- 880 do 915 MHz,
- 925 do 960 MHz,
- 1.710 do 1.785 MHz,
- 1.805 do 1.880 MHz,
- 1.900 do 1.980 MHz,
- 2.010 do 2.025 MHz,
- 2.110 do 2.170 MHz,
- 2,5 do 2,69 GHz in
- 3,4 do 3,8 GHz.
In fact most of the European countries opt primarly for 2600MHz, 1800MHz, 800MHz and 2100MHz. In concreto in France a rollout of LTE networks began, mostly on 2600MHz and less on 800MHZ. The situation regarding LTE coverage might be completely different at the end of 2014.
There is no problem with GSM and 3G frequencies, all GSM models opreate on: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 and 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 HSDPA (T-mobile and Developers edition additionally on HSDPA 1700).
To summarize, what should be advised to the European buyer of Moto x:
1. Buy a new phone (although the service is only in the USA you still get full warranty registering your phone on the Motorola website).
2. Choose the right model taking into consideration: SIM unlocked/locked, bootloader locked/unlocked, LTE band. Sometimes is worth pay more to have significant less problems.
3. Pay with PayPal (you have effective claim against the seller if you don't get the phone as described).
4. Run it at least 1 or better 2 weeks before root or change ROM. That is minimal sufficient time to find out possible malfunctions.
A few words regarding warranty, SIM unlocking, rooting, bootloader unlocking:
In Europe SIM unlocking, rooting and bootloader unlocking is legal and for natural person, any of these acts could not void the warranty regarding Directive 1999/44/CE if the warranty claim doesn't derive from such act and the operating system is recovered to the original. In the USA rooting the device is legal and couldn't void the warranty as long as the device is reverted to original. The situation with SIM unlocking and bootloader unlocking is somehow funny. As from January 26th 2013 according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act unlocking SIM without operators permittion is ilegal. But this rule only applies to cell phones, not to for example to tablets and other devices which use SIM cards and at least data transmittion if not telephony functionality. As regard unlock bootloader the previous stand of Motorola was even more absurd: They sell developers edition of Moto x and they encouraged usesrs to unlock the bootloader but they warned them if they had done so, they warranty would be void. Latter they changed that collision by issuing an original system image for recover and announcing that they would recognize the warranty despite the unlocked bootloader.
In other parts of the word including Canada SIM unlock doesn't have inpact on the warranty.
Just adding one thing!
If you want to set your use the touchless control in French, it is not possible with Latin American phones, they don't have this option and you can't set your phone in French (only English, Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish available), so even if you set your voice search language to French in Google Now or in settings, the recognition is working well but it will never reply to you or do any action. Which ruins all the interest.
Now I think the AT&T phone got French in the settings but I am not sure, can someone confirm this? Not the Voice Search language (all Google languages are available there) but the phone language settings, is there French?
Thanks,
Tih
tihtow said:
Just adding one thing!
If you want to set your use the touchless control in French, it is not possible with Latin American phones, they don't have this option and you can't set your phone in French (only English, Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish available), so even if you set your voice search language to French in Google Now or in settings, the recognition is working well but it will never reply to you or do any action. Which ruins all the interest.
Now I think the AT&T phone got French in the settings but I am not sure, can someone confirm this? Not the Voice Search language (all Google languages are available there) but the phone language settings, is there French?
Thanks,
Tih
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I read on another thread that the T-mobile version comes with french (I don't know for AT&T). For this reason and for the fact that this version is less locked, I bought it on the moto maker. Thanks piskr and all other XDA members for helping me in this choice !
I will let you know what I think of the phone once I received it.
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I read on another thread that the T-mobile version comes with french (I don't know for AT&T). For this reason and for the fact that this version is less locked, I bought it on the moto maker. Thanks piskr and all other XDA members for helping me in this choice !
I will let you know what I think of the phone once I received it.
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I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
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I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
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I have the AT&T model, it supports touchless control in French. Though I don't recoomend it. I guess that all American and Canadian models support French. Better go for Rogers, Fido or T-mobile.
BlackAurora said:
I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
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I'm living in the US right know. And my american roommate was kind enough to use his card. It didn't work with my French one.
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I'm living in the US right know. And my american roommate was kind enough to use his card. It didn't work with my French one.
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I can confirm that none of my credit cards worked on motos website (master cards issued in Sweden). They reserve money at your bank but you get it back a few days later.
I have a friend who studies in the states and he has an american credit card. He will buy it for me and take it to Sweden. I will design the phone at moto maker and save the design. He will then log on to my google account and choose carrier and do all of the "checkout".
So much work for a bloody phone.
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I can confirm that none of my credit cards worked on motos website (master cards issued in Sweden). They reserve money at your bank but you get it back a few days later.
I have a friend who studies in the states and he has an american credit card. He will buy it for me and take it to Sweden. I will design the phone at moto maker and save the design. He will then log on to my google account and choose carrier and do all of the "checkout".
So much work for a bloody phone.
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So, how does it work, the 1058, in your countries?
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hi really want the new droid 4 coming out but im going to uk in a couple of weeks and just want to know if it will be realeased in the UK or Australia and will the U S version work in Australia
I think the title sure is..
will motorola droid 4 work in uk or aus?
will motorola droid 4 also work in hk??
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I think the title sure is..
will motorola droid 4 work in uk or aus?
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Is that better or is there a problem
GSMArena have it listed as supporting 900/2100MHz UMTS 3G. That means Optus/Voafone/Virgin in Australia, all UK networks, and any UMTS provider in Hong Kong except NTT DoCoMo.
In my experience, GSMArena usually f*ck up their frequency listings a lot.
It would be a huge departure for Verizon to make their new world phones 900/2100MHz when ALL the other world phones they've released are 850/1900/2100. Plus it would make the majority of their roaming agreements with partners useless.
I think it's pretty safe to say it will be at least 850/1900, perhaps 850/1900/2100. That means if your network uses 900MHz you're out of luck.
EDIT: Old thread, sorry. Have no idea why this one popped up!
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will motorola droid 4 also work in hk??
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you are from hk?? me too.
Droid 4 can be working in hk because it is a cdma/gsm device, BUT verizon has locked down the gsm.
so basically, it wont work
DROID 4 is not a GLOBAL phone. It will only work on Verizon network.
ifixit's teardown has a chip identification:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-4-Teardown/7759/2
Has a Qualcomm MDM6600 chip:
from wikipedia:
MDM6600™:
Multi-mode modem
HSPA+ with data rates of up to 14.4 Mbit/s
CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. A/Rev. B support
GPS functionality, including support for Assisted GPS
I'm out of my element here, but that suggests global capability....as to whether it can actually be used, I haven't a clue.
Found some info here http://www.gobi.com/resources#Documentation
Specifically the Gobi3000 product sheet http://www.gobi.com/sites/default/files/Gobi3000r4.pdf
It seems like the chipset can support everything, but CDMA and GSM support are in two separate firmware images. Also even if the chipset has support, there's no guarantee that the requisite antennas and such are connected. But I've already read a few places that Motorola/Verizon plans to enable global roaming with a firmware update in the future, so I'd guess the hardware support is already in place.
The doc doesn't list support for 1700MHz AWS in the frequency list, but it does say "Prepared for UMTS-AWS" which implies that it could be supported with additional tweaks. So probably no US T-Mobile 3G support out of the box, dunno.
Hi,
i'm from italy, anyone know if motorola & verizon release Droid 4 for Europe ( milestone 4 ) with all gsm band? same the droid 1 and 2 released for EU with name milestone 1 and 2.
i read some rumors about a possible declaration of milestone 4 on Mobile World Congress 2012.
thnx
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hi really want the new droid 4 coming out but im going to uk in a couple of weeks and just want to know if it will be realeased in the UK or Australia and will the U S version work in Australia
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I'm not sure, but the Droid 4 does use a GSM Sim, and that would make me think that you could pic up a Sim in country and put it in your phone. I mean if you don't have to unlock your phone first.
I'm interested in this one too!
My carrier uses 900 and 2100mhz for hsdpa...
Apparently, the Droid 4 will have GSM roaming eventually.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/12/2...-and-lg-spectrum-will-have-global-gsm-roaming
There are a lot of possible show stoppers.
First, I don't think that this was an official VZW statement.
And, even if they will make GSM/HSPA work, it's unclear if and how SIM unlocking will work.
Let's see how it will work out with the xyboard tablets ...
The problem is D4 has dedicated LTE radio now which requires SIM card. My guess ia the Verizon's SIM is only compatible with their own network and can't do roaming just yet. Issue could not be technical at all. To be safe they decided to lock down GSM/HSPA radio for now. Once they figure out how their SIM cards can roam properly on other providers, they will likely push OTA update to enable the HSPA settings.
Verizon doesn't care if we want to use another sim card. Will likely make everything possible to prevent us from doing so. They however want their clients to pay for roaming badly. I am sure the matter will be resolved as this is a big revenue point for them.
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Yeah, LTE uses GSM... there is no CDMA LTE connection which is why all the 4g phones have GSM frequency capability, but Verizon has them on a tight lock. It is possible for them to allow you to use in certain GSM areas but I don't think they would unlock it to be used with any other service.
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Droid 4 can be working in hk because it is a cdma/gsm device, BUT verizon has locked down the gsm.
so basically, it wont work
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The challenge isn't the hardware, but rather that the Droid 4 is a Verizon exclusive currently.
Thomas is correct; the radios have more flexibility than Verizon has allowed it. They have announced that sometime this year they will enable global roaming for the phone via their networks, which to me says firmware push.
I am hopeful that Moto will eventually release a GSM-friendly unlocked version, a la the Milestone vs the original Droid.
Idk if I'm using the term right, but I'm with t mobile and I know that they will offer the htc one. But that's rumored to be towards the end of march. But appearntly Europe will be getting it the first of march. So my question is: will all carriers be selling the same EXACT phone? Meaning can I get a euro version when it comes out and use it on t mobile, and still get 2g,3G,and 4g (hspa+,LTE) ? I'm very anxious to get a new phone. I'm down to the htc one and the xperia z.
Yeah it's a world phone, it won't be in the market before 15th march. As clove.co.uk states that. IMO Better to get from your carrier if you don't want to face any issues with network. But if you want fast updates, it's good to purchase from uk.
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Yes for 2g and 3g, not really for LTE in selected countries... And then I am certain that the LTE band will be tied down to that network provider. I will be amazed if this is not the case because HTC always does this, with exception of the HTC J-Butterfly (only in Japan), the reason behind this is that Japan law requires the phones to have world network support. The Sony XZ defninately covers world support on 2g,3g & 4g
We are in the same boat!
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Idk if I'm using the term right, but I'm with t mobile and I know that they will offer the htc one. But that's rumored to be towards the end of march. But appearntly Europe will be getting it the first of march. So my question is: will all carriers be selling the same EXACT phone? Meaning can I get a euro version when it comes out and use it on t mobile, and still get 2g,3G,and 4g (hspa+,LTE) ? I'm very anxious to get a new phone. I'm down to the htc one and the xperia z.
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We are in the same boat. I am with Tmobile and have Galaxy S3, but as soon as I saw the leaked image of HTC One, I was instantly fell in love with it and I am surely glad they kept the design. It is the kind of design and material I wanted for a long time. Anyway, cut to the point, I pre-ordered from Clove.co.uk and expansys-usa.com. Whichever can ship it first will have my money. The reason I pre-order instead of waiting is it looks like it will be cheaper this way since I am buying off-contract. Tmobile's phone usually have much higher price than other carriers like ATT. Of course you can buy att one and unlock it, but it is illegal in USA now so that complicates things. Only thing I am worrying about is the compatibility with Tmobile's upcoming LTE network. Since I am living in Houston, TX, it is only logical to think Tmobile's next LTE market will be somewhere in TX if not Houston. But, I saw their LTE band is not the one supported by HTC One. (I saw this in one of forum here. Don't have the link) Tmobile maybe make LTE version of this phone like galaxy note 2, but then that will now complicates the battery life. So I am not sure if I want to have LTE version of HTC One when the battery is not user replaceable. Besides I am more than content with current Tmobile's data speed as HSPA+ in houston area. So my point is if you are sure you will get this phone, pre-order seems the fastest one so far. I picked silver one BTW.
It might sound lazy but I'm actually really confused about the bands for the different networks in my country. I want to get an HTC One but I'm not sure if I will have 3g on my company "VTR", this company is from Chile in South America and I would be really thankful if anyone can give me a hand on this:
The website of the company is: http://www.vtr.com
Please, give me a hand on this as I'm really confused and I have been searching a lot to get more information. This is what I've found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
VTR is at the number IV AWS 1700
Also I found this:
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/vtr-nextel-win-3g-licences-in-chile--690358
VTR, Nextel win 3G licences in Chile
Chile's telecommunications regulator Subtel has granted mobile operators VTR and Nextel spectrum for provision of 3G services. The tender covered three blocks of 30 MHz in the 1700/2100 MHz frequency band. Nextel won two out of three blocks of spectrum up in the 1700/2100MHz frequency bands, while VTR won the remaining block. Nextel's total offer for spectrum blocks B and C reached USD 14.7 million, while VTR won block A with an offer of USD 3.02 million. The new licences aim to boost competition on the Chilean mobile telephony market, currently divided among Entel PCS, Movistar and Claro. The Chilean telecoms market currently reaches 15 million customers. According to Rene Cortazar, minister of transport and communications, the two licence winners have a maximum of one year – that is by the second half of 2010 – to complete their 3G networks deployment across the country.
VTR 3g frecuencies: 1700/2100
I currently have an HTC Desire HD, however, I'm unable to use 3g with my device. Please help me confirm that the ONE will work on this network, else, I will have to change my network
A little bit more information can be found here:
http://www.apecdoc.org/site/chile/2009/06/11/vtr-sets-up-vtr-movil-to-bid-for-3g-licence-chile/
Thank you very much for all your help
The phone doesn't have support for the 1700 band, but will work on the 2100 band offered by your provider. The biggest problem you face is what is the difference between bands for VTS, typically network providers will offer a faster network and or more coverage on one of their bands. If in Chile this is the 2100 band you are away laughing.
Just had a look at the specs of your HTC Desire HD and the news is bad.The new HTC one will the same as your previous phone on that network.
I don't understand what you are saying about your phone not on 3G, the 2100Mhz network is 3G, however it would seem that your provider is offering it's premium higher speed services on 1700Mhz.
I suggest you go to www.gsmarena.com then search for brands of phones that have 1700Mhz radios. So got to say HTC, and under bands select 1700 then filter, you will find only 13.
After checking this, scrub the above and only use it as a super rough guide. Because it states the Sony XZ as 1700Mhz, but no Sony website claims this that I can see.
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The phone doesn't have support for the 1700 band, but will work on the 2100 band offered by your provider. The biggest problem you face is what is the difference between bands for VTS, typically network providers will offer a faster network and or more coverage on one of their bands. If in Chile this is the 2100 band you are away laughing.
Just had a look at the specs of your HTC Desire HD and the news is bad.The new HTC one will the same as your previous phone on that network.
I don't understand what you are saying about your phone not on 3G, the 2100Mhz network is 3G, however it would seem that your provider is offering it's premium higher speed services on 1700Mhz.
I suggest you go to www.gsmarena.com then search for brands of phones that have 1700Mhz radios. So got to say HTC, and under bands select 1700 then filter, you will find only 13.
After checking this, scrub the above and only use it as a super rough guide. Because it states the Sony XZ as 1700Mhz, but no Sony website claims this that I can see.
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Thanks a lot, I hope the phone gets 3g, however, I know that Entel (another company in my country) will offer the HTC One on the third or fourth trimester of this year and it might allow LTE connection. If that's the situation, I might consider changing my mobile provider
I really appreciate your answer.
Thank you
its not worth buying the international version anymore if the US carrier versions are the same as the international one..
LTE is moving forward and HSPA+ will stop development in a few years once T-Mobile switch to LTE
im sure the T-Mobile version will be the same as the rest with LTE ready
yes i think only small 4g lte variations
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its not worth buying the international version anymore if the US carrier versions are the same as the international one..
LTE is moving forward and HSPA+ will stop development in a few years once T-Mobile switch to LTE
im sure the T-Mobile version will be the same as the rest with LTE ready
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Not true, there is three LTE variants in the US depending on the band eg provider The best US is AT&T which covers all of US. It all comes down to what bands your country decides to go with on LTE.
So it is a toss up between AT&T or UK model depending on your LTE band requirements.
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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:No-Frost: said:
Thanks a lot, I hope the phone gets 3g, however, I know that Entel (another company in my country) will offer the HTC One on the third or fourth trimester of this year and it might allow LTE connection. If that's the situation, I might consider changing my mobile provider
I really appreciate your answer.
Thank you
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No worries, it's my pleasure.
As I said before your current HTC phone should be 3G on your network provider because 2100mhz is 3G.
ANd most unfortunate for you in South America is that they use such a mix of LTE bands covering most of the LTE spectrum, in this case you are better off with the Sony Xperia Z, which covers almost all of the used LTE bands.
I have used Claro in South America which has great coverage, but bad customer service, but I guess you always get that with the big players.
Hi,
I'm on a Canadian provider that has a hard time with getting good phones. I'm on Wind mobile and actually those who are on Mobilicity are in the same boat. When HTC One X came out it wasn't available for Wind or Mobilicity, when HTC One X+ came out it wasn't available either. Only the cheaper versions of One S would work on it, other ones didn't support the bands. I can see that for Canada none of these providers are listed to carry HTC One. Does it support the bands that Wind and Mobilicity operate at? Will it work on it? They operate in AWS
Do a search is been answered a hundred times already
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help
i need help with my one.. it doesnt seem to want to turn on after it gets a full charge
overpound said:
i need help with my one.. it doesnt seem to want to turn on after it gets a full charge
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Why hijack this thread, what does your phone turning on or not have anything to do with the topic
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Hi,
I'm on a Canadian provider that has a hard time with getting good phones. I'm on Wind mobile and actually those who are on Mobilicity are in the same boat. When HTC One X came out it wasn't available for Wind or Mobilicity, when HTC One X+ came out it wasn't available either. Only the cheaper versions of One S would work on it, other ones didn't support the bands. I can see that for Canada none of these providers are listed to carry HTC One. Does it support the bands that Wind and Mobilicity operate at? Will it work on it? They operate in AWS
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Why don't you go back one page and read, I have posted all the bands supported by the phone. AT&T will be your best option for coverage
I've got a bit of a similar question about where this phone will work on a specific network. If I buy an unlocked CDMA version of the HTC one, can I just drop a Verizon sim card into it and use the phone on verizon's network?
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I've got a bit of a similar question about where this phone will work on a specific network. If I buy an unlocked CDMA version of the HTC one, can I just drop a Verizon sim card into it and use the phone on verizon's network?
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There is no CDMA version, and cdma devices do not use sim cards.
M.
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only reason i bring that up because the ONE will be on sprint's network which is CDMA, along with the fact that i thought verizon 4g phones used sim cards ( my pantech marauder loner phone had one). thanks for the answer
Hello
Do you know if the European version of the HTC One will be compatible with the American 3G network (ie : AT&T)...
Because last summer I was in USA and with my old HTC (not compatible with AT&T 3G), I was only able to use 2G networks for internet and it was very very bad...
So I'm asking !
Many thanks in advance for the answer !!! :good:
mbh017 said:
Hello
Do you know if the European version of the HTC One will be compatible with the American 3G network (ie : AT&T)...
Because last summer I was in USA and with my old HTC (not compatible with AT&T 3G), I was only able to use 2G networks for internet and it was very very bad...
So I'm asking !
Many thanks in advance for the answer !!! :good:
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Well, as far as I know, the HTC One will be just one device with no difference with the ones sold in America, Europe, Asia, etc...
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Well, as far as I know, the HTC One will be just one device with no difference with the ones sold in America, Europe, Asia, etc...
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Thank you!
If it's confirmed, I will definitly buy this HTC One in march!!
Hi there
I want to buy the HTC ONE "again", but the problem is that I'm not sure which one.
After some research, I've found that there are several different versions of the HTC ONE:
HTC 801n ONE, ONE HTC 801e, 801a ONE HTC, HTC ONE 801W ...
Well why "again"?
Thing is that I had one until recently, the 801n, i got through a contract renewal in Switzerland, and I was very very happy with it!
But the trouble started when I went on a trip again. I travel a lot between Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, and the US, and due prolonged
stays in these countries, I have a simcard in each country, as well as prepaid and contract, each with internet access (3G and 4G).
Now in Mexico I noticed that my brand new HTC ONE 801n, was not compatible with the frequencies used here (3G, 850Mhz with Telcel Mexico), which made it useless as a smartphone. Therefore I sold it. But I loved this phone, so I am going to buy me a new HTC One!
Question is, which HTC ONE is the right for me?? Also I read everywhere on the internet about an "international" HTC one, an "international version"??
Is this one of the above versions I mentioned? "International," does it mean that it will work with all the frequencies in all the countries I travel to? With at least 3G Internet can use, perhaps even with 4G? And where do they sell it? And how can I identify it?
Thanks for your help
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I travel a lot between Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, and the US,
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You might find this thread useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39991298
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You might find this thread useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39991298
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Not really, because already sold mine europe htc one, and looking for a new international one, which I can use in in europe and in the US, without hacking or flashing it.
And as noob in the smartphone area, i wouldnt be able to do it,even right now i am having problems to understand what they are talking about in the other thread
International version means it isn't locked to any specific carrier yoy basically any sim from any country should work. You should check that the network frequencies that the phone can handle are compatible with the country that you're visiting but a quick check of the phone specs will tell you that.
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And as noob in the smartphone area, i wouldnt be able to do it,even right now i am having problems to understand what they are talking about in the other thread
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You just need to look at the table in the first post
First, find out what 3G/4G frequencies are available with what carriers in each country you travel to. Then you can pick a model that will provide the most coverage. Just going off the 850MHz 3G requirement, you have a few variants to choose from.
deeevan said:
You just need to look at the table in the first post
First, find out what 3G/4G frequencies are available with what carriers in each country you travel to. Then you can pick a model that will provide the most coverage. Just going off the 850MHz 3G requirement, you have a few variants to choose from.
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US and in Mexico , 3G 850 MHz , and one thing i read was that if the 850 MHZ are not supported by the phone, it seems that it doesnt matter that all other frecuencies avaible in the coutry are supported, the phone wont work with 3G, no matter what. is that right.
No beeing right now most of the time in Mexico for the rest of the year, thinking to buy the HTC One in the US HTC online shop, the unlocked version, 600 USD,
and it says
This HTC One® unlocked version comes with: 32GB of onboard memory and is SIM unlocked.
- HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
- GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
- LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Now, at Telcel Mexico , they told, if I buy a phone in the US, it has to be an ATnT compatible phone, and it will work without a problem in Mexico,same frecuencies as AtnT.
Are those the frecuencies used by AtNT??
If the only 3G frequency your carrier supports is 850Mhz, then it doesn't matter what other frequencies the phone is capable of.
Look at the table in the HTC One variants thread, and compare the frequencies of that phone with what is listed for AT&T. And more importantly, what Telcel Mexico support.
What about 4G and Europe, are they high or low priority? The Asian variant supports 850Mhz 3G and has a good overlap with the European 3G and 4G frequencies, but not the US 4G frequencies. What do you consider more important?
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
Earthbrain said:
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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http://negrielectronics.com/phones/android-mobile-c-67.html
According to the above link...the 16 gb version does exist.
Does the n9005 model have AT&T LTE for sure?
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Earthbrain said:
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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Before committed to pay big $ for the phone ... check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
I'd buy what you're looking for in a heartbeat - if it existed. So far it doesn't. At least not ln any of the N3's for the UK, EU, or Latin America that have been announced. The Korean S-800 SGS4 supports AT&T's bands so their N3 probably will also. But the Korean phones have funky TV h/w and a funky MMS system that's different than Western versions. Rogers' (Canada) version will be compatible with AT&T LTE and may be closer to "virgin" than AT&T's version. The challenge is warranty service both because you'd have to send it to Canada for repair (assuming Rogers' services a phone for a non-subscriber) and because Knox prevents resetting the warranty status if a non-standard ROM's been flashed. Speaking of which, you'd probably only be able to flash Rogers' ROMs via Odin unless their N3 was a "pure" i9505 capable of using international ROMs.
And as someone above mentioned there's some question as to what "unlocked" means with the N3 as there are now regional limitations on top of carrier's locking phones to their networks.
If I find a true international N3 that works on AT&T's LTE that's not regionally SIM locked I'll let you know. Until then I'm sticking with AT&T's version and hoping they haven't molested it too badly.
Thread cleaned.
Lets knock off the keyboard hero stuff and get back on topic.
The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
designgears said:
The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
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Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
choch69 said:
Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
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You can't just say "N9005" and expect to get an answer. "N9005" refers to generic Snapdragon 800 LTE capable version of GN3, but each country and carrier in the world has different LTE bands enabled in that Snapdragon's SoC radio. Find your Rogers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It operates on bands 4 and 7 - none of the Euro countries' carriers work on band 4, as you can see from the list. AT&T USA, T-Mobile USA and Rogers CA should be LTE cross compatible in most coverage areas, but not all.
If you buy N9005 version with unlocked bootloader - later, when someone makes Odin compatible with GN3 you will be able to flash Roger's LTE modem firmware to your N9005, no matter which country it is from and what LTE bands it currently has enabled
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
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This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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The OP needs to take into consideration that If he buys from an online retailer an international unit, this unit will need to be activated in its intended region before he can use it in the states.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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I've never heard of that. Seems like a problematic setup since the RF properties of bands can vary so much. Seems like you would get in a situation where you have up but not downstream or vice versa.
Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
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Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
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Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
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Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
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Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
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Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.[/QUOTEN
N9005 from HK or Singapore (perhaps others too) will work.
The South American N9000 are region locked to South American, North American, carribean etc. SIM cards (western hemisphere).
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Hello
My friend spoted on ebay that the Moto X Xt1058 is in good price 280$ (at least for me this is good price - I would prefere a version from moto maker but its to expensive)
Will this version work properly in Poland with my GSM provieder?
The bands of my GSM provider are:
"PLAY" uses EGSM 900 for its 2G services and UMTS 2100 and UMTS 900 for 3G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_(telecommunications)
Play - LTE 1800 MHz
thanks for support
It will work but LTE is probably not going to work
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Penetratore said:
Hello
My friend spoted on ebay that the Moto X Xt1058 is in good price 280$ (at least for me this is good price - I would prefere a version from moto maker but its to expensive)
Will this version work properly in Poland with my GSM provieder?
The bands of my GSM provider are:
"PLAY" uses EGSM 900 for its 2G services and UMTS 2100 and UMTS 900 for 3G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_(telecommunications)
Play - LTE 1800 MHz
thanks for support
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All XT1058 Variants support ALL the GSM & UMTS bands you have listed.
If possible, don't get the AT&T version because you cannot unlock the bootloader, and it comes SIM-locked. If you can get the Rogers Canada version or pretty much ANY other XT1058 you should be able to unlock the bootloader and AFAIK all the variants except AT&T come sim-unlocked...
Good Luck
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If possible, don't get the AT&T version because you cannot unlock the bootloader, and it comes SIM-locked. ...
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Thanks for the tip. Root and loading mods is very important to me.
Now the moto x is still the flagship. But soon we will have the succesor. Do you Think it will supported in 1-2 years?
I use an xt1058 (att version) for more than a year in the Netherlands (and the rest of Europe); never had any issues with it, even 4g works as charm.
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I use an xt1058 (att version) for more than a year in the Netherlands (and the rest of Europe); never had any issues with it, even 4g works as charm.
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Thanks for the comment bmszabo. Are you the original owner? Likely someone (yourself even?) had it sim-unlocked....or are the AT&T variants already sim-unlocked for international use? I know for certain that the Sprint XT1056 variants are SIM-locked for both domestic AND international.
As for the bootloader, unless you used the China Middleman, it should still be locked down.
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Thanks for the comment bmszabo. Are you the original owner? Likely someone (yourself even?) had it sim-unlocked....or are the AT&T variants already sim-unlocked for international use? I know for certain that the Sprint XT1056 variants are SIM-locked for both domestic AND international.
As for the bootloader, unless you used the China Middleman, it should still be locked down.
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It was an eBay bargain; sim-unlocked ATT Moto X; don't know HOW it was unlocked, but it works just perfect with my Dutch provider (and any other European carriers). In US workes fine with ATT; only thing, but only if I am in the US is a nag message about 'unable to sign in to ATT', or something similar..
What about the version with "bad ESN" ?
Is it only blocked for US or also for europe ?
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What about the version with "bad ESN" ?
Is it only blocked for US or also for europe ?
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It will depend entirely on whether or not AT&T adds blacklisted IMEIs to the international banned list. Can someone comment on whether or not this data is shared internationally?