Hey guys, I've searched Google and the forums and I couldn't find my answer. I apologize if I overlooked anything.
I'm on Verizon and I understand that GSM phones cannot work with CDMA which made me bummed out since this phone is what I really want to use. I was even planning on going to a different carrier but decided not to.
Anyway, at Best Buy a mobile associate told me that as long as the phone supports Verizon's LTE bands, I can just slip in Verizon's sim card and I'll be able to use the phone. Now I told him that I'm sure he was wrong about it and he insisted that it's a fact and wouldn't change his mind about it at all.
So basically, since the Sony Xperia Z1 supports Verizon's LTE bands, can I just pop in a Verizon sim card and everything will work?
Thanks in advance.
Sorry, but you cannot simply slip a Verizon Sim card into a GSM phone and expect it to work 100%. You may get LTE but I don't believe you'll get anything else (such as phone calling capabilities and what not).
The Best Buy associate is only half right. It's unfortunate because it's guys like him that make us look like we don't know what we're talking about (I'm am employee as well).
Good luck though! At this point, Verizon can offer all the LTE they want, they can't provide customers with all the amazing phones that are available. The Nexus 5 will be another big deal breaker for Verizon customers, as it won't fully with with Verizon either.
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So, I gave my American girlfriend a Nexus One (because Im a nice boyfriend) and it worked fine for her while she was studying in Europe with a SIM Card from Verizon. However, she has sadly now returned to the US and it apparently has stopped working, obviously because of the CDMA network.
So, just wondering if there is any way of using the Nexus One on Verizon in the US at all? She has a SIM Card as I said..
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Nope, fraid not.
Sad. Not even on 2G-only?
Nope, the radios / hardware are completely different.
GSM and CDMA are two completely different technologies which can not mix.
the best thing to do would be to sell it (if it's in good condition it should bring close to $500.00) and then buy an Incredible.
Or, switch her to AT&T or T-Mobile. Keep in mind that the N1 you purchased will get 3g on T-mobile or AT&T, but not both, depending on which one you purchased. It will get Edge on either network.
Hello,
I am going to be selling my N1 on ebay and I didn't want to misadvertise. I purchased my N1 off contract and used it on t-mobile. Does my phone support AT&T? And if someone on AT&T buys my phone will they get 3G service on it?
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The T-Mobile N1 can work on AT&T but only on Edge as they use a different 3G frequency not supported by the T-mobile hardware. There is a separate AT&T compatable model, but they are harder to come by.
So it would be silly for someone on att to get my phone?
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So it would be silly for someone on att to get my phone?
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It all depends on how they want to use it. If they are wanting to use it as a dev phone for apps / ROMs etc..., then 3G is not as critical. If they are wanting to use it as their daily driver, then they may want something else.
As long as you state in the description that this is not compatable with AT&T 3G, you should be covered. How the buyer uses the purchase is up to them.
majority of people would say its crazy to buy a tmobile nexus one for ATT use as there would be no 3g. so yes its almost like false advertising. sure, it would work on edge. but just be up front about it.
Ok. Thanks for the input
Hello everyone,
I want to to know exactly how I can implement this to my HTC one however what I've been told is that what ever Sprint devices they have sold will not able to work on this new upgrade.
I've been chatting back and fourth with an employee and he says it's a gsm based 4g LTE that's works on hspa or something that uses 1900mhz bandwidth. With that said will I be able to go ahead and convert to what my carrier uses?
Another note, I've successfully SIM unlocked but haven't had a SIM to try it out if it is unlocked, in doing the unlock will I be able to utilize this update to my carriers data speeds? All the employee said as of right now Sprint branded devices are not able to be used with the upgraded network and it uses a gsm based 4g that uses 1900mhz bands. Quite a few people are pissed about this but their normal users and do not know about root and everything associated with it, to include SIM unlocking.
Another thing the employee mentioned was they are now selling HTC one m7 and m8 that are able to utilize the network, he says they are "generic" and Verizon, what I'm thinking that they are just global versions of the device, so who ever got Sprint branded phones are screwed cause they can't upgrade to the new network.
I am hoping I can use this new found boost in data speeds locally!!
v1ral said:
Hello everyone,
I want to to know exactly how I can implement this to my HTC one however what I've been told is that what ever Sprint devices they have sold will not able to work on this new upgrade.
I've been chatting back and fourth with an employee and he says it's a gsm based 4g LTE that's works on hspa or something that uses 1900mhz bandwidth. With that said will I be able to go ahead and convert to what my carrier uses?
Another note, I've successfully SIM unlocked but haven't had a SIM to try it out if it is unlocked, in doing the unlock will I be able to utilize this update to my carriers data speeds? All the employee said as of right now Sprint branded devices are not able to be used with the upgraded network and it uses a gsm based 4g that uses 1900mhz bands. Quite a few people are pissed about this but their normal users and do not know about root and everything associated with it, to include SIM unlocking.
Another thing the employee mentioned was they are now selling HTC one m7 and m8 that are able to utilize the network, he says they are "generic" and Verizon, what I'm thinking that they are just global versions of the device, so who ever got Sprint branded phones are screwed cause they can't upgrade to the new network.
I am hoping I can use this new found boost in data speeds locally!!
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County? City? State? You provided no information here. Also from the sounds of it NO you can not convert your phone. The bands 4G uses are limited by the hardware in them, if you bought a SPRINT CDMA phone in a foreign county no one screwed anyone except you screwing yourself. You should have bought the global version directly from HTC.
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County? City? State? You provided no information here. Also from the sounds of it NO you can not convert your phone. The bands 4G uses are limited by the hardware in them, if you bought a SPRINT CDMA phone in a foreign county no one screwed anyone except you screwing yourself. You should have bought the global version directly from HTC.
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Thanks.
I'm not in the states I'm located in Guam, I'm aware of the hardware limitations, but I'm wondering if the device will be able to pick up signal. I believe my carrier will be using hsdpa bands at 1900mhz and I'm under the impression that the Sprint use those
I am screwed as well as others that have gotten Sprint branded devices here, I feel for them but those people are normal users, that don't know rooting and what associated with it. I don't feel too bad about having this device at all, it's been working great, I was just waiting for my carrier to bring out something 3G data.
I was really banking on having it be able to get the upgraded speeds, and maybe help others who are on the same boat as me.
Thanks again!
Hi Everyone,
I've been reading the reviews and specs for the MI5 Pro and am considering purchasing one. GSM/CDMA support, 128Gb Storage, etc. sounds great to me.
My plan is to have something with an unlocked BL so I can root, TWRP, and AOSP it just the way I want it.
Before I do how much of a pain will it be to getting working on Verizon's 4G/LTE networks? If I understand what I am reading correctly it supports all the frequency bands on Big Red. Any thoughts? Comments and suggestions are requested on this.
Thanks in Advance
I should also add this is not for the BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) program. I have a monthly plan and am up for a new device but don't want what they offer.
I highly doubt you'll be able to get it to work on Verizon. Even unlocking GSM bands is a pain.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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I don't specifically know about verizon, but our local CDMA carriers do work with the Mi5.
Cdma carriers the us only allows approved devices.
No hope.
FernBch said:
VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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You can be the guniea pig and try it out but your chances of getting it to work on Verizon are slim to none.
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The more I research this the more dim the results look. It seems that the problem with bringing it to a CDMA network is lack of 4G functionality. Definitely a deal breaker for sure......
Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
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Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
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I knew that was how they were in the past but I thought maybe they loosened up on it. They now have a Bring Your Own Device program. Still doesn't get past getting 4G working flawlessly on CDMA.
I need to look deeper at GSM carriers in the US. Coverage in my area is important for work.
I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
Thanks DFSPCC, I was wondering the same thing and having it listed to work with VZN in the US on willmyphonework.net up to 3G speeds, which is fine by me. Considering the low price at the moment for the Mi5, I think is a great option.
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I'm considering on getting this phone... 5.7 inch with OK specs to work with Verizon only thing is you said 3g but that's OK its just to play and test hopefully I can root it... Don't knkw if they have any Roms for it..... Ive been HTC for over 10 yrs and they have let me down been waiting for a 5.7 or bigger... The max was nice but bad specs realy slow so.... I was going to do the s8 plus but now I see the U12 coming soon. But i don't know if Verizon will carry it... They don't carry the U11 don't know why.... What do you think? And thanks again for your time and help god bless....
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I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
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Anybody have a list of bands yet? Wondering if all or most of verizon bands are on device! Any info will be appreciated!
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Anybody have a list of bands yet? Wondering if all or most of verizon bands are on device! Any info will be appreciated!
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I'm based in UK so I don't know so much about American networks. However I didn't think Verizon used SIM cards? My understanding is that this phone only works via aim cards?
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I'm based in UK so I don't know so much about American networks. However I didn't think Verizon used SIM cards? My understanding is that this phone only works via aim cards?
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Yes we have sim cards lol never heard of anybody not using sim cards here in states yet
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Yes we have sim cards lol never heard of anybody not using sim cards here in states yet
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My apologies, this was my misunderstanding around CDMA tailored devices.
I had conflated CDMA with a version of using eSIM or something of that nature.
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My apologies, this was my misunderstanding around CDMA tailored devices.
I had conflated CDMA with a version of using eSIM or something of that nature.
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they are trying to go esim, i think everybody here in the states is
To answer your question, data will work on verizon in some areas, but voice won't. Same with all Huawei flagships of late.
Your only hope would be rooting and perhaps enabling VoLTE on verizon, in which case there's a small chance you could get it working.
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Yes we have sim cards lol never heard of anybody not using sim cards here in states yet
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Verizon uses the SIM card only for 4g data, LTE, but for voice it still uses CDMA. I really don't understand why Verizon and Sprint continue using this system, they seem to be the only one in the world with China and maybe some other areas, but most of the countries rely fully on GSM for both data and voice. This is the reason why the p20 pro will only work for data on Verizon but not for voice unless, and just maybe, you use a Chinese version I think the L00 model that uses CDMA too.
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Verizon uses the SIM card only for 4g data, LTE, but for voice it still uses CDMA. I really don't understand why Verizon and Sprint continue using this system, they seem to be the only one in the world with China and maybe some other areas, but most of the countries rely fully on GSM for both data and voice. This is the reason why the p20 pro will only work for data on Verizon but not for voice unless, and just maybe, you use a Chinese version I think the L00 model that uses CDMA too.
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Very interesting because the U11 doesn't have cdma either but voice works on it over LTE. If we could get that on the P20 we would be in business
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Very interesting because the U11 doesn't have CDMA either but voice works on it over LTE. If we could get that on the P20 we would be in business
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You are right. It seems like now Verizon is trying to use only services through LTE like VOLTE and is trying to turn off its old cdma network.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/06/htc-u11-can-used-verizon-even-without-cdma-support.html
Even though it seems like for this the cellphones need to go through Verizon approval and they are not 100% functional like it would be with ATT and Tmobile, which network is 100% GSM/LTE. You can see on the link below that the phone was only approved to use one band on Verizon which could cause really poor service.
https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/942418
Knowing this and all the issue between Huawei and EEUU government I seriously doubt this approval would happen, but who knows.
eoga said:
You are right. It seems like now Verizon is trying to use only services through LTE like VOLTE and is trying to turn off its old cdma network.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/06/htc-u11-can-used-verizon-even-without-cdma-support.html
Even though it seems like for this the cellphones need to go through Verizon approval and they are not 100% functional like it would be with ATT and Tmobile, which network is 100% GSM/LTE. You can see on the link below that the phone was only approved to use one band on Verizon which could cause really poor service.
https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/942418
Knowing this and all the issue between Huawei and EEUU government I seriously doubt this approval would happen, but who knows.
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On the U11 it had 2 of the 3 verizon LTE bands I think it was missing 13 maybe? If i could get 2 out of the 3 bands to work on the P20 Pro I would probably try it
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On the U11 it had 2 of the 3 verizon LTE bands I think it was missing 13 maybe? If i could get 2 out of the 3 bands to work on the P20 Pro I would probably try it
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I think you missed the point in the last link I posted. There it is mentioned that the cell phone has most of Verizon bands if not all but only 13 was authorized to be used and this was what causes many of the issues with the U11 on Verizon network.
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I think you missed the point in the last link I posted. There it is mentioned that the cell phone has most of Verizon bands if not all but only 13 was authorized to be used and this was what causes many of the issues with the U11 on Verizon network.
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My pixel says NONVZW on my verizon website and works fine maybe I will get p20 pro or mi mix 2s and try it and see
oneandroidnut said:
My pixel says NONVZW on my Verizon website and works fine maybe I will get p20 pro or mi mix 2s and try it and see
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Your Pixel says NONVZW because it was not bought directly on Verizon but it is a cell phone that is configured to work on both GSM and CDMA including full compatibility with Verizon so it shouldn't be considered as the same than P20 pro but if you still want to do it go ahead and good luck.
Anytime the same discussion. Thia phone is not official supported by Verizon. It will work on GSM Based Networks. But not on CDMA.
guy your wrong
oneandroidnut said:
Yes we have sim cards lol never heard of anybody not using sim cards here in states yet
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who ever said the US did not have sims is right.
at one point in time the cdma guys did not have a sim card and in some phones still to this day out there they may or may not have a sim. if the person buying the phone gets bull **** from the sales person and buys a locked phone good changes are they may or may not have a sim.
now update to this day.
most if not all companys here have a sim now. they were forced by company's over seas and other gsm company's here being cheaper and no locking you down to a pay over 2 year plan that you more or less are selling a kid to the company to pay the bill.
but I love the fact that we get sims now. If they tryed to pull that bull **** with me now lol.
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who ever said the US did not have sims is right.
at one point in time the cdma guys did not have a sim card and in some phones still to this day out there they may or may not have a sim. if the person buying the phone gets bull **** from the sales person and buys a locked phone good changes are they may or may not have a sim.
now update to this day.
most if not all companys here have a sim now. they were forced by company's over seas and other gsm company's here being cheaper and no locking you down to a pay over 2 year plan that you more or less are selling a kid to the company to pay the bill.
but I love the fact that we get sims now. If they tryed to pull that bull **** with me now lol.
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Ummm I have had a sim card for 10 years now in a smartphone but we don't have them oh ok sure buddy i mean 50 years ago we didnt have sim cards or internet lol
What was the outcome of this discussion? OP, did you ever get to work?
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who ever said the US did not have sims is right.
at one point in time the cdma guys did not have a sim card and in some phones still to this day out there they may or may not have a sim. if the person buying the phone gets bull **** from the sales person and buys a locked phone good changes are they may or may not have a sim.
now update to this day.
most if not all companys here have a sim now. they were forced by company's over seas and other gsm company's here being cheaper and no locking you down to a pay over 2 year plan that you more or less are selling a kid to the company to pay the bill.
but I love the fact that we get sims now. If they tryed to pull that bull **** with me now lol.
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It's got nothing to do with that. CDMA does not require a sim, never has. LTE is what the sim is for because LTE is actually a GSM technology.
I dont know alot about the U11 but from what I could see from a quick search it actually does have all the Verizon LTE bands including 13. 13 is the most important one because its verizon main LTE band.
Guess which band the P20 pro doesn't have...13. It probably will not work and even if you could somehow manage to get it to. it probably wouldn't be a very good expensive, but if you want to spend 700 bucks to try to prove us all wrong more power to you.
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Ummm I have had a sim card for 10 years now in a smartphone but we don't have them oh ok sure buddy i mean 50 years ago we didnt have sim cards or internet lol
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unless you didnt get a mobile phone until like 6-7 years ago...you would know that prior to that Verizon was primarily only CDMA and DID NOT USE SIM CARDS.
you are simply showing your age or lack of experience with mobile phones when you assume Verizon has always had sim cards...which is simply not true.
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unless you didnt get a mobile phone until like 6-7 years ago...you would know that prior to that Verizon was primarily only CDMA and DID NOT USE SIM CARDS.
you are simply showing your age or lack of experience with mobile phones when you assume Verizon has always had sim cards...which is simply not true.
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how long ago did they not have sim cards??? 10-15 years maybe?? Everything phone from 2008??? and on has had a sim card