So I have the watch now for more than a week and I love it. One thing I hate though is that weird movement to wake the screen to check the time. It works in 75% of the time but 25% of the time it just doesn't work. And if it doesn't work, a repetition of the movement can result in a constant fail to wake the watch. In those cases it would be great to have a "fall back" or "backup" movement. For example turning your wrist a few times very fast.
Or are there some good tips to reduce the 25% fail ratio?
appelflap said:
So I have the watch now for more than a week and I love it. One thing I hate though is that weird movement to wake the screen to check the time. It works in 75% of the time but 25% of the time it just doesn't work. And if it doesn't work, a repetition of the movement can result in a constant fail to wake the watch. In those cases it would be great to have a "fall back" or "backup" movement. For example turning your wrist a few times very fast.
Or are there some good tips to reduce the 25% fail ratio?
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Mine wakes 95% of the time iiiffff i turn it at a slow pace. pebbles quick jerk wake up makes more sense. I dont like it because its not natural to slowly rotate your wrist to check the time.
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More importantly where do we think the gesture would be stored ? In what APK..
Surely we can adjust the sensitivity..
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More importantly where do we think the gesture would be stored ? In what APK..
Surely we can adjust the sensitivity..
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Yep yep was also thinking about this. But I bet that it is hard coded in the kernel. Nevertheless definitely going to do some research to see if some parameters can be changed. Time to flash your Rom
A double tap on the screen would be excellent.
I've found that you can move your wrist as fast or slow as you want, but you have to hold it toward your face a second or two and it will come on.
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Or, you know, there's that big button on the side of watch for exactly this purpose...
JDV28 said:
Or, you know, there's that big button on the side of watch for exactly this purpose...
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I know.
It's got to be the rolling motion when the watch is oriented like you are holding a steering wheel. Look how much the watch turns on when driving.
The problem I have, is not only does the default not always wake the watch when you want to, it often wakes it when you don't mean to. I see it on a lot when I'm driving, or at the gym. Seems like a waste of battery power. Ideally, they'd have a variety of different motions and methods you could choose from to wake it, and even a allow a combination of them to reduce false positives (like a quick jerk then rotate).
dscline said:
The problem I have, is not only does the default not always wake the watch when you want to, it often wakes it when you don't mean to. I see it on a lot when I'm driving, or at the gym. Seems like a waste of battery power. Ideally, they'd have a variety of different motions and methods you could choose from to wake it, and even a allow a combination of them to reduce false positives (like a quick jerk then rotate).
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It would be great if Samsung would implement some kind of learning algorithm. Shouldn't be that difficult.
mhoepfin said:
It's got to be the rolling motion when the watch is oriented like you are holding a steering wheel. Look how much the watch turns on when driving.
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In the log they call the movement WRIST_MOVEMENT_UP. I believe it actually tries to simulate the movement of turning the watch to your eyes.
The question is very good.. For me 75% times work other part no
The movement to wake up gear i think is up-turn... But not always ok.... This must improve.. Because not is more ridiculous look your black watch....and than stay trainyng on the display....and sony has already took this... In the pub of her sw2...
If you raise your arm and turn it works every time
it's painful. sometimes it works, sometimes not.
i wish they enabled tap twice to wake though. pressing the button on the side is not always convenient.
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As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
Stock rom, 1.28.401.7, attached a screenshot.
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As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
Stock rom, 1.28.401.7, attached a screenshot.
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I'm guessing that it adjusts the timeout accordingly.
Like if you were to put it down (but face-up) it'll decrease the timeout down to 15 seconds or something like that. Whereas if you're holding the phone normally, it'd be something like one minute.
Probably just smart stay esque feature.
Quick check of camera to see if your looking at the phone. Not like this is a Samsung thing, there are apps in the play store that do this.
Yeah it's screen time out so if you set it for 1 minute the screen will stay on for 1 minute then shut down
Yeah its like smart stay, try waving your hand in front of the phone and not touch the phone, it wont sleep. Dont work very well as sometimes I lie phone down for a sec but as there is no movement it sleeps quickly.
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As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
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Nice. I keep wondering why HTC doesn't advertise some of these features - Samsung keeps touting them but even though HTC has something similar, sometimes better and sometimes not, it isn't mentioned anywhere. They really need to up their marketing efforts.
Nekromantik said:
Yeah its like smart stay, try waving your hand in front of the phone and not touch the phone, it wont sleep. Dont work very well as sometimes I lie phone down for a sec but as there is no movement it sleeps quickly.
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are you sure or are you just trying to get people to wave there hands around like mad men
theres nothing on the web about that its just plain old screen off after how long you set it for:laugh:
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are you sure or are you just trying to get people to wave there hands around like mad men
theres nothing on the web about that its just plain old screen off after how long you set it for:laugh:
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It is autosleep OR a time. So it's definitely not 1 minute. Will have to try this
I sent the question to HTC & today got this lame answer:
Please note that you can use the sleep mode in order to put the device in standby mode when you are not using the screen for a long time the screen will go in sleep mode " Standby" automatically
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After doing some testing, I have found the following pattern with "Auto sleep":
If the device is held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, you are actually looking at the screen; the display will sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display.
If the device, after use, is put on a table (horizontally), the display will sleep in about 15 seconds.
So it seems that "Auto sleep" uses the gyro sensor, not the Camera.
Sounds similar to Screeble. ...a must-have app IMO.
I think auto sleep uses the camera and the proximity sensor to determine if you're looking at the phone, because for down reason it doesn't work in a completely dark environment like a bedroom at night, even though I was looking at the phone dead on..... It's an interesting feature nonetheless
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Sounds similar to Screeble. ...a must-have app IMO.
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No must-have anymore... with this auto sleep function built in. It's in HTC One X too with the 4.2.2 update.
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I think auto sleep uses the camera and the proximity sensor to determine if you're looking at the phone, because for down reason it doesn't work in a completely dark environment like a bedroom at night, even though I was looking at the phone dead on..... It's an interesting feature nonetheless
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As stated before, it's probably using sensors to increase time-out, not to disable time-out entirely, like smart-stay does, probably using less energy then smart-stay.
webpatrick said:
No must-have anymore... with this auto sleep function built in. It's in HTC One X too with the 4.2.2 update.
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Will give it a try since it is one less app on the phone... I like that I could set up the angle for which it is activated both for portrait and landscape with Screeble. I don't control anything with the sleep function. Also, I get the impression the phone will still shut off at some point...doesn't with Screeble.
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I was intrigued to know the answer myself. Not being able to find the answer, I tried the following on my phone:
I placed the phone horizontally on a table and left it there without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. It took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I placed the phone at an angle (approximately 45 degrees) and left it still without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. Again, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I grabbed the phone and moved it constantly without touching the screen. I keep doing this for over 2 minutes and the screen never timed out. I got bored, so I put the phone down and from that moment, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out. I tried this at different angles and I realized the angle doesn't really matter as long as the phone is in motion.
This made me to conclude the phone uses the the gyroscope when "auto sleep" is selected to determine when to turn off the screen.
I might be wrong but you can try this yourself. I hope it helps!
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I was intrigued to know the answer myself. Not being able to find the answer, I tried the following on my phone:
I placed the phone horizontally on a table and left it there without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. It took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I placed the phone at an angle (approximately 45 degrees) and left it still without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. Again, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I grabbed the phone and moved it constantly without touching the screen. I keep doing this for over 2 minutes and the screen never timed out. I got bored, so I put the phone down and from that moment, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out. I tried this at different angles and I realized the angle doesn't really matter as long as the phone is in motion.
This made me to conclude the phone uses the the gyroscope when "auto sleep" is selected to determine when to turn off the screen.
I might be wrong but you can try this yourself. I hope it helps!
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What rom version are you running? What you explained would explain why the phone does not sleep when I put it down in the car's cupholder, as long as the car is moving the phone would vibrate/shake & hence does not turn off the display. This is with the Android 4.3 updates (leaks & official 3.22 developer edition).
Previously, Android 4.1 & 4.2 roms, if the device was held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, display would sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display. If the device, after use, was put on a table (horizontally), the display would sleep in about 15 seconds.
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What rom version are you running? What you explained would explain why the phone does not sleep when I put it down in the car's cupholder, as long as the car is moving the phone would vibrate/shake & hence does not turn off the display. This is with the Android 4.3 updates (leaks & official 3.22 developer edition).
Previously, Android 4.1 & 4.2 roms, if the device was held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, display would sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display. If the device, after use, was put on a table (horizontally), the display would sleep in about 15 seconds.
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I'm using CleanRom 6 with Android 4.3. Now that you mention it, I realize I hadn't noticed this on 4.1 and 4.2. I use Pandora all the time. I started wondering when my phone would stay up the whole time I was driving. I never had this issue with 4.1 and 4.2. Good to know!
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I'm using CleanRom 6 with Android 4.3. Now that you mention it, I realize I hadn't noticed this on 4.1 and 4.2. I use Pandora all the time. I started wondering when my phone would stay up the whole time I was driving. I never had this issue with 4.1 and 4.2. Good to know!
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Incertcoin (on SVN R111) now has the auto sleep working like before, 1 minute if held upright, or 15 seconds if placed on a table. I think @baadnewz used the "SmartDim.apk" from an older rom that before auto sleep changed .
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Incertcoin (on SVN R111) now has the auto sleep working like before, 1 minute if held upright, or 15 seconds if placed on a table. I think @baadnewz used the "SmartDim.apk" from an older rom that before auto sleep changed .
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yes i used the 4.2.2 base one because i didn't have time to properly debug the current one and fix, but so far using the old one doesn't break anything it just fixes the issue. credits are due to @yxtl he had the issue and stress him enough to make trial and error .
I believe it uses the gyro/motion sensors to adjust the timeout...if I have my HTC One docked in my car with auto sleep enabled, it will never time out the screen, unless I come to a light and stop...but the motion of the car actually on the road is enough to keep it alive.
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I wish HTC provided some kind of documentation for this...
Hi, I'm about to go for a Neo (don't need a camera), but the reason i returned my original gear was the "turn your wrist to turn the screen on" motin was either
- Too unreliable - meaning i'd be twisting my wrist like a fool just to see the time
- Annoying when i was playing the piano (screen went on/off like crazy)
I'm wondering if this is improved at all? Also, is it possible to actually turn it off completely?
Shame this watch doesn't have an always-on clock....
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Hi, I'm about to go for a Neo (don't need a camera), but the reason i returned my original gear was the "turn your wrist to turn the screen on" motin was either
- Too unreliable - meaning i'd be twisting my wrist like a fool just to see the time
- Annoying when i was playing the piano (screen went on/off like crazy)
I'm wondering if this is improved at all? Also, is it possible to actually turn it off completely?
Shame this watch doesn't have an always-on clock....
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hi sir, you could actually go to setting, display, then wake up gesture and turn it off. hope this helps.
- Too unreliable - meaning i'd be twisting my wrist like a fool just to see the time
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this is my first gear I don't know how good/bad the first one was
as far as I can tell: works really great
had no problems so far
- Annoying when i was playing the piano (screen went on/off like crazy)
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that will never change
you move your arm --> motion sensor activates the screen
what you can do: lower the screen timeout to 10sec or deactivate the motion completely
settings -> display -> wake-up gesture -> off
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(sorry for the code tag, I am not allowed to post links)
Mine is very flaky. Funny thing is I was missing the way my Pebble worked 95% of the time and meant to ask about this until I ran across this thread. With this, wrist flick is maybe 50%, OR I have to do an exaggerated arm raise motion - I can't just look down and flick my wrist like I would on my Pebble to see anything. Also when it does work, it's slow - there's like a half second where I'm waiting in suspense for the display to wake. Maybe you people that came from the older Gears are used to that and it's ok for you, but with my Pebble I was never waiting - maybe it's due to the fact that Pebble is only turning on the backlight from the sensor, as the display is on all the time.
Which brings me to my biggest frustration. I had hoped that somehow an AMOLED screen could be set up to be always on with just the basic info while still saving battery (like active notifications on the Moto devices). I hope that somehow there's a way to work around this and have a simple info display that could be always on (no colors/animations, just white text on the black background to save power). If i needed to charge every night, that's fine. I'd rather have that than look like/feel like an idiot shaking my wrist around and still not getting it to wake up. That's one of the reasons I returned the Sony smartwatch last year.
I just received my NEO yesterday.
The motion sensor *is* rather sensitive and ANY vertical arm motion with even the slightest twisting kicks the phone screen on. At first it's interesting . . . after a while it's a bit annoying.
I would like to have a self-defined motion, or perhaps a bit more control over exactly when it turns on.
At least it would be better if we could reduce the screen time to 3 or 5 seconds that would lessen the distraction.
I turned the motion sensor off and that's actually pretty good -just got a text message and it displayed correctyl, and for now a quick press to see the time is not bad.
Solution for loss of gesture control on Samsung Gear2 Neo.
eurorauser said:
Hi, I'm about to go for a Neo (don't need a camera), but the reason i returned my original gear was the "turn your wrist to turn the screen on" motin was either
- Too unreliable - meaning i'd be twisting my wrist like a fool just to see the time
- Annoying when i was playing the piano (screen went on/off like crazy)
I'm wondering if this is improved at all? Also, is it possible to actually turn it off completely?
Shame this watch doesn't have an always-on clock....
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Over time my neo appeared to become more and more unresponsive to my wrist movements until it stopped completely and only pressing the button allowed me to see the clock. After reading this post and the replies I decided to press the 're-set Gear' switch in 'Settings' on the Neo. This removes all the stored data from the device and restores the factory defaults.
After restoring the Bluetooth link using the gear manager app on my Galaxy S5 gesture control was restored and worked perfectly. Also I switched off the gesture control using the button in 'Settings' under 'Display' and that worked too.
What I can't tell you is why what I did worked. However as the onset of the problem was gradual it might suggest that it might be related to a gradual build-up of data in the Neo's memory that might be a factor affecting the device's performance. I suspect more time deleting alerts and notifications might help, or if you're not using your neo to play music or store photos and videos you could just do what I did as and when the need arises while we wait for Samsung to supply a system upgrade to solve the problem.
I hope this reaches you in time to stop you sending your Neo watch back as I have become very fond of mine. I too play pianos and synths but I've always taken off any watches before playing out of personal preference, but we can always switch our Neos' gesture control off while playing, but beware of any mics nearby picking up it's chimes!
My Neo is no longer responding to the wrist motion. I've tried resetting it to stock numerous times, and reloading (never restoring) all the software.
Could it be that the motion sensor has failed?
I got this in Dec 2014, and I'm really disappointed that this has happened already. It was easily my favorite feature.
Is there any test, or diagnostic I can run to confirm my suspicions?
Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch Wakeup Gesture Doesn't Work
I had the same problem with my Gear S2. Tried everything, including disabling "Do not disturb", but wakeup gesture still didn't work. Reported problem to seller who sent another S2, but it also did not work.
Sometime I twist my wrist to view the watch and the screen doesn't turn on..so I have to twist my wrist a second time for the watch to react.
yes twisting isn t very good. sometime yes sometimes no
daigoro76 said:
yes twisting isn t very good. sometime yes sometimes no
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Damn and I love this watch.
I had same problem with my ex galaxy gear. I thinks it concern all smartwatch
daigoro76 said:
I had same problem with my ex galaxy gear. I thinks it concern all smartwatch
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My G watch doesn't have those issues. LG G watch R problems: http://youtu.be/24USeBUjlVk
Mine is worst :crying: waiting a lg Update or asking a new watch ?
I want to turn it off completely, dont see the point of it if im running screen always on. Damn thing turns on every time i move.
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I want to turn it off completely, dont see the point of it if im running screen always on. Damn thing turns on every time i move.
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same here, it keeps turning on everytime i move my hand, and then sometimes when i want it to turn on it doesn't. I wish i could just deactivate this and use the power button / tap the screen
The answer to this problem is simple. When turning your wrist, simply flick it down with a quick rotation toward yourself and the screen will activate every time. There is nothing wrong with the accelerometer. It is just set to not turn on from random movement.
The wrist flick toward you and down is the key.
Funny mine turns on every time I even move my arm
I returned my first one and the second one is MUCH better.
i would prefer an option to calibrate this behaviour or even disable it^^
It's okay to me to tap on the screen for activating
I prefer to leave my watch face off until I look at it. The problem is that the accelerometer on this watch isn't always as sensitive as you might like (probably to prevent accidental activations). Unfortunately this means that if you have your wrist on the desk and then look at the watch, sometimes the face will not activate.
What I have found though is that if you give your wrist a slight rotational flick towards yourself as you raise your arm, the screen activates much more reliably.
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I prefer to leave my watch face off until I look at it. The problem is that the accelerometer on this watch isn't always as sensitive as you might like (probably to prevent accidental activations). Unfortunately this means that if you have your wrist on the desk and then look at the watch, sometimes the face will not activate.
What I have found though is that if you give your wrist a slight rotational flick towards yourself as you raise your arm, the screen activates much more reliably.
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Has anybody else noticed that the watch face does not light up when you raise the watch if it is in mute mode?
You can switch the screen on by pressing the button or touching the screen but raising your arm doesn't do it.
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Has anybody else noticed that the watch face does not light up when you raise the watch if it is in mute mode?
You can switch the screen on by pressing the button or touching the screen but raising your arm doesn't do it.
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Thats why you can Mute the Device, i like this option (allways good when i bring the Baby to bed)
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Thats why you can Mute the Device, i like this option (allways good when i bring the Baby to bed)
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I agree - it is neat.
I had expected mute to stop alerts and cards popping up but hadn't realised that it would stop activation as described and when I first noticed it, I thought that my watch was faulty. Posting details here in case anyone else thinks the same!
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I prefer to leave my watch face off until I look at it. The problem is that the accelerometer on this watch isn't always as sensitive as you might like (probably to prevent accidental activations). Unfortunately this means that if you have your wrist on the desk and then look at the watch, sometimes the face will not activate.
What I have found though is that if you give your wrist a slight rotational flick towards yourself as you raise your arm, the screen activates much more reliably.
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I have the exact same observations as well .. in fact, if the watch has been idle for some time,even with the slight rotational flick, I find that the screen will not be activated.
I found some custom watchfaces were *much* slower and often took two wrist-flicks to get the watch to wake up.
I found stock faces and also better 3rd party faces avoided that problem.
YMMV
Ahh .. i AM using Facer and Custom watchfaces ... perhaps the graphics are slowing down the watch ..
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I found some custom watchfaces were *much* slower and often took two wrist-flicks to get the watch to wake up.
I found stock faces and also better 3rd party faces avoided that problem.
YMMV
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Ahh .. i AM using Facer and Custom watchfaces ... perhaps the graphics are slowing down the watch ..
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Keen to hear your findings - as it happened, I was using a Facer face but I suspect that it wasn't facer but the watch face itself.
Howdy...
I love this watch (had it 2 days now)... but many reviews I've read say 'reading even in direct sunlight'...
So, I have the screen cranked to full brightness, and I find it hard to read in the sunlight, even with no sunglasses on... The 'ambient' screen is barely visible, and the fully activated screen is not much better...
Am I doing something wrong here? Why are reviewers saying 'perfect in bright sulight' and I can barely read it...?
Thanks!
Best,
Ben
Well it has been overcast here last few days so cant really comment too much.. but the couple of times the sun was out it did wash out and made the display a little bit hard to see... my brightness was set to 4. There is a "brightness boost" in the pull down menu .. have you tried that?
You can download apps for brightness boosting but I doubt it would help
You know, I haven't tried the brightness boost, mostly because it seems like too much work to get to it if I just want to glance at the watch to know the time and such...
Best,
Ben
Yes exactly, the boost is too much effort for its intended purpose when you can simply cup your other hand over the watch in a fraction of the time but I would go further, the feature has a ball dropping feel to me. Shouldn't someone have figured out that having the solution to not being able to see the screen be nested multiple screens into the on screen menu system of the screen you cant see as being a bad idea? I would like to see the boost attached to something like a triple tap. As to it working in bright sunlight flawlessly I would say no but I've not had any device that ever did and wasn't expecting it to be visible in the brightest sunlight. I would say it can be seen in most sunlit situations in "on" configuraton and that compared to similar devices it is relatively good.
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Yes exactly, the boost is too much effort for its intended purpose when you can simply cup your other hand over the watch in a fraction of the time but I would go further, the feature has a ball dropping feel to me. Shouldn't someone have figured out that having the solution to not being able to see the screen be nested multiple screens into the on screen menu system of the screen you cant see as being a bad idea? I would like to see the boost attached to something like a triple tap. As to it working in bright sunlight flawlessly I would say no but I've not had any device that ever did and wasn't expecting it to be visible in the brightest sunlight. I would say it can be seen in most sunlit situations in "on" configuraton and that compared to similar devices it is relatively good.
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Triple press the button
Double press will toggle Theater mode, by the way
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Triple press the button
Double press will toggle Theater mode, by the way
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SUPER HELPFUL TIP! :highfive:
Where did you find these?
ANymore?
fantastic tip!!!
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Triple press the button
Double press will toggle Theater mode, by the way
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Ah, thanks. It never occured to me to try multiple actions on the crown.
These shortcuts first appeared with the Android Wear update in December.
Before that long pressing the button would take you to the settings (this keeps working)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...watchs-button-activate-theatre-sunlight-mode/
holy crap I never knew there were shortcuts with pressing the crown!
Thank you!!