Why 1080P on a 5" LCD panel?

Why 1080P on a 5" LCD panel? - Nexus 5 General

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I've been objectively comparing the display on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 side by side and really question why we have 1080P screens on such small displays. Are we all so gullible we take in the marketing and believe more must be better?
Ignoring any arguments about better colors or contrast between the two phones, which have nothing to do with resolution, and that in my case the Nexus 4 looks little different from the Nexus 5 in color and contrast anyway, what about differences the extra resolution and slightly larger diagonal make?
Personally, I fail to see any differences in day to day use, even looking close up everything looks equal on both displays. Yes if I look very closely, closer than I would ever use the device in day to day use, I can just make out the pixel structure on the Nexus 4 where on the Nexus 5 I can't.
So what about the larger screen size? Well we get an extra 6mm approximately in height on the Nexus 5, the width is the same. This extra height has nothing to do with the greater resolution, but is caused by using non-square pixels on the Nexus 4. The aspect ratio of these displays should be 1.777 (1920/1080 or 1280/720 is 1.777). The Nexus 4 aspect ratio is 1.64, so was squashed vertically, the Nexus 5 is 1.78 so the correct aspect ratio. All they have done with the Nexus 5 is given it the correct aspect ratio, hence the extra 6mm in height and the resulting slightly larger diagonal. This could equally have been achieved using 1280x720.
Because we haven't really got a bigger display in the Nexus 5, just a correction of the aspect ratio (hence the width is the same on both), the screen doesn't really show any more information than the Nexus 4. As the display is now thinner compared to the Nexus 4 and due to the Nexus 5 setup, web pages with text will often wrap to the next line sooner than on the Nexus 4, so ironically with the Nexus 5 you may have less shown vertically than the Nexus 4. Sometimes other webpages will suit the taller Nexus 5 a bit better so you get a bit more in, overall though, it's swings and roundabouts.
What 1080P does provide is a faster draining battery as the back light needs to be more powerful to give the same visible brightness than a lower resolution display, and the graphics processor also needs to work much harder with all those extra pixels draining even more battery, that is never good in a phone. Wouldn't it be preferable for a 720P display that is less battery hungry and the R&D invested in better image quality rather than more pixels we can barely discern in such a small area?
So to sum up, what we have here in my opinion is just marketing. LCD phone panels are suffering the same marketing as mega pixels in cameras. Because the manufactures can provide LCD panels with ever growing pixel densities without too much extra cost, they are doing, as bigger numbers sell better and encourage us to replace perfectly good devices.
So for anyone considering the Nexus 5 to replace the Nexus 4 because they consider the larger screen will make the phone better to use for reading web pages etc, after all, the numbers of 1920x1080 compared to 1280x720 are compelling, in reality I'm not sure many people will notice a difference.
Regards
Phil

PhilipL said:
Why 1080P on a 5" LCD panel?
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Simple: because we can.
And within 2 years we'll see 4K resolutions on such small panels as well so this is just scratching the surface (no pun intended) of hand-held touch-operated display technologies.

The only thing I could practically see as useful is being able to display more content on the screen due to DPI scaling. Even still, I don't think it would be significant enough for the tradeoff of battery drain. And it is less than ideal managing a lot of content on such a small screen.
Maybe as video resolution increases, the displays will be able to offer a slight benefit with a higher resolution (beyond 1080p), however pointless it may be. Perhaps phones with video output could benefit by having a higher resolution being able to be displayed on a much larger screen? I am not sure if this is software or hardware dependent so it could be a null point.
Other than that, I suppose they are available because it is possible. As technology advances, more powerful hardware is needed to support/benefit from it and innovation and all that stuff follows leading to more advanced technology.
So if we do end up going beyond 1080p for phones, there is a chance that it will require other related resources to improve in order for it to be useful. I could see breakthroughs in battery life or efficiency being made to support whatever ridiculous and unnecessary resolution display that may be created.
Sorry if what I said irks anybody for whatever reason, just my opinion of the current situation with phones and HD displays so let's all just be happy
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I personally think it's noticeably sharper than my Nexus 4
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Just because you can't notice a difference does not mean you can speak for everyone.

5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?

Because the 720p is awful right now I'll see the difference in a lot of things. Like images, text, internet pages, icons.

I thought the same thing at first, but looking at the screen, it's much sharper than the Nexus 4, especially when it comes to reading. The new thing roboto font complements the resolution perfectly.

BoneXDA said:
5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?
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The "why not", is fairly easy, battery life. As you said the difference in quality is borderline. All of those saying there is a massive difference, well science disagrees with you. What your eye can actually see is defined for the standard 20/20 vision. There is a definitely "shinny new" element, which in many does overpower the science behind what and eye can actually see. It's sort of the same argument for 4k TVs. View distance is key in both.

SykesAT said:
The "why not", is fairly easy, battery life. As you said the difference in quality is borderline. All of those saying there is a massive difference, well science disagrees with you. What your eye can actually see is defined for the standard 20/20 vision. There is a definitely "shinny new" element, which in many does overpower the science behind what and eye can actually see. It's sort of the same argument for 4k TVs. View distance is key in both.
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Experience very much shows that higher resolution screen does NOT result in higher battery drain. Relative to battery capacity, the Galaxy S4's bigger and higher res screen is far more efficient that the S3's, same goes for the HTC One to One X, LG G2 to Optimus G, and the Nexus 5 does better video playback than the Nexus 4 as well (this is the least CPU-dependant testing that tells the most about the screen). This is because like SoCs, AMOLED and LCD technology also evolved in efficiency.

BoneXDA said:
Experience very much shows that higher resolution screen does NOT result in higher battery drain. Relative to battery capacity, the Galaxy S4's bigger and higher res screen is far more efficient that the S3's, same goes for the HTC One to One X, LG G2 to Optimus G, and the Nexus 5 does better video playback than the Nexus 4 as well (this is the least CPU-dependant testing that tells the most about the screen). This is because like SoCs, AMOLED and LCD technology also evolved in efficiency.
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agreed, technology has evolved and become more efficient, but that does not address the power needs of the same gen tech when looking at 720p vs 1080p, nor viewing distances.

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BoneXDA said:
5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?
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Why not get a 1080P panel, battery life perhaps and better quality 720P? The problem with all those pixels is you have loads of extra transistors and wiring on the display, all that means less of the display is being used to transmit light. If they take the same lithography, i.e. smaller transistors and wires that are required to pack in 1920x1080 to a 5" inch display to a 720P 5" panel, so no gaps and more screen area transmissible to light, it would use less power to back light than 720P displays have used before and would look better and brighter for less battery power than an equivalent 1080P display.
Of course we will get 2k displays or even 4k displays on 5" diagonals, then what will happen is what is happening to mobile phone cameras, it will come a point where they can't add any more pixels (with mobile phone cameras they are down to only measuring a few photons at at time in each pixel hence you get very noisy pictures in poor light), so the next marketing trick to sell to us will be as HTC have done with their cameras, reduce the numbers then tell us that the lower number of pixels were all along better.
By the time most people have covered the display with smudges and dust during normal day to day use, they are not going to notice the difference between a 5" display at 720p and 1080p at normal viewing distances. I've had friends fail to notice the difference between 720P and 1080P on the Nexus 7 with a 7" display let alone a 5" one. One friend actually preferred the 720P panel as he said text looked more like a good computer monitor display and was easier to read!
Don't get me wrong I like the Nexus 5, but think it would have been better with longer battery life and a brighter and better display that would have been available using the same new LCD technology but in a 720P panel. This would also give better manufacturing yields, and so reduce the price of display, with the savings going towards better calibration and consistent displays between devices. There is already a thread about poor quality control with very warm yellow displays on some Nexus 5's yet another Nexus 5 sat next to it is bright white looking completely difference. So much for the benefits of 1080P when no two phones are guaranteed to look the same.
Regards
Phil

Today's 1080 smartphone displays typically use less power overall than the last generation models with 720 displays, believe it or not. Note when I'm saying this I'm leaning more towards the actual display tech itself and not the backlight: when you account for the power requirements of the panel itself (not counting the draw from the backlight) the 1080 panel on the Nexus 5 pulls less current than the 720 on the Nexus 4 (which is more accurately 1280x768 so it's technically a bit more pixels)
The backlight remains the largest draw of current in a smartphone today in typical usage - it's only when you begin to max out the CPU+GPU at the same time will that really begin to sway favor away from the backlight itself.
If I honestly had my choice, I'd have SuperAMOLED(+) tech in every device but the issue there is a) it tends to wash out in direct sunlight (not that I can't cover the device with my hand or something and see it and b) AMOLED dies over time since the organic aspects literally just wear out.
LCDs are still pretty nice in my opinion, and they get the job done just fine, but it sure would be nice to find a way to do a proper backlight that actually get the job done without that massive power requirement that remains attached to that technology even today.
Also, 720p and 1080p are technically video formats, but people just keep right on referring to them as resolutions...

PhilipL said:
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Why not get a 1080P panel, battery life perhaps and better quality 720P? The problem with all those pixels is you have loads of extra transistors and wiring on the display, all that means less of the display is being used to transmit light. If they take the same lithography, i.e. smaller transistors and wires that are required to pack in 1920x1080 to a 5" inch display to a 720P 5" panel, so no gaps and more screen area transmissible to light, it would use less power to back light than 720P displays have used before and would look better and brighter for less battery power than an equivalent 1080P display.
Of course we will get 2k displays or even 4k displays on 5" diagonals, then what will happen is what is happening to mobile phone cameras, it will come a point where they can't add any more pixels (with mobile phone cameras they are down to only measuring a few photons at at time in each pixel hence you get very noisy pictures in poor light), so the next marketing trick to sell to us will be as HTC have done with their cameras, reduce the numbers then tell us that the lower number of pixels were all along better.
By the time most people have covered the display with smudges and dust during normal day to day use, they are not going to notice the difference between a 5" display at 720p and 1080p at normal viewing distances. I've had friends fail to notice the difference between 720P and 1080P on the Nexus 7 with a 7" display let alone a 5" one. One friend actually preferred the 720P panel as he said text looked more like a good computer monitor display and was easier to read!
Don't get me wrong I like the Nexus 5, but think it would have been better with longer battery life and a brighter and better display that would have been available using the same new LCD technology but in a 720P panel. This would also give better manufacturing yields, and so reduce the price of display, with the savings going towards better calibration and consistent displays between devices. There is already a thread about poor quality control with very warm yellow displays on some Nexus 5's yet another Nexus 5 sat next to it is bright white looking completely difference. So much for the benefits of 1080P when no two phones are guaranteed to look the same.
Regards
Phil
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Read my post above. The Nexus 5 screen is not just higher res, it's brighter, more accurate AND more efficient, therefore it's clearly producing better user experience. Your friend has his opinion, but he'll find very few he'd agree that the Nexus 4's 720p screen beats the Nexus 5's 1080p, and that's the comparison that matters since the 5 is replacing the 4.
The Nexus 5's battery problem comes from the battery itself: at an ever so slightly thicker frame the G2 and Droid MAXX managed to pack in 3000mAh+, too bad Google didn't go for that. But the 5 has still better battery life than the 4, and the 1080p still has better efficiency.
Also, are you really complaining about the price of the 1080p display... on a $350 high-end flagship phone?

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thats all, we dont need more than 720p in less than 7", its inperceptible.. but yes we can.

Most people got the phone for the Qualcomm 800 CPU. What does this do? It measures the amount of energy the phone is asking for and makes it as efficient as possible for the phone. Works similarly then you see in a V-Tec or Eco-tec transmission in cars. Also, you gave a lot of opinions in your post, when, you said it would be purely objective. That would make it subjective. *note I didn't say purely subjective, because you did put in some data (objective) results.
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PhilipL said:
Hi
I've been objectively comparing the display on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 side by side and really question why we have 1080P screens on such small displays. Are we all so gullible we take in the marketing and believe more must be better?
Ignoring any arguments about better colors or contrast between the two phones, which have nothing to do with resolution, and that in my case the Nexus 4 looks little different from the Nexus 5 in color and contrast anyway, what about differences the extra resolution and slightly larger diagonal make?
Personally, I fail to see any differences in day to day use, even looking close up everything looks equal on both displays. Yes if I look very closely, closer than I would ever use the device in day to day use, I can just make out the pixel structure on the Nexus 4 where on the Nexus 5 I can't.
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You can kid yourself but I regularly see substantial difference between the N5's 1080p and my GNex's 720p display and the GNex display is about the same as the Nexus 4. If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
On the contrary, most are pleased with fine details in images and videos. If we weren't, the entire HD imaging industry wouldn't be where it is today. It's not marketing, it's consumer demand.

1080p is nice but I would have actually prefered a 720p display if it had the great view angles and contrast of the 2nd generation nexus 7. The panel on that is much nicer despite only being 323ppi.

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TiltedAz said:
You can kid yourself but I regularly see substantial difference between the N5's 1080p and my GNex's 720p display and the GNex display is about the same as the Nexus 4. If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
On the contrary, most are pleased with fine details in images and videos. If we weren't, the entire HD imaging industry wouldn't be where it is today. It's not marketing, it's consumer demand.
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I'm not kidding myself I have both phones, I'm not trying to justify not buying a Nexus 5, I already did
The entire HD industry was built upon HD Ready TVs, at only 720P in the main to start with, set to retina burning brightness and dynamic contrast out the box so they could be sold with contrast ratios of 1,000,000:1 (remember big numbers sell more). The vast majority of people never adjust the TV to true to life settings, and then wonder why anyone with a tan looks orange, even if the tan isn't fake and just accept it! Here in the UK at least, HD broadcasts are so compressed they barely resolve more detail than a standard definition picture should. Our standard definition channels are so compressed they break up regularly into a mosaic of blocks and barely resolve the detail of 360P YouTube clip circa 1995. The vast majority of people don't question the quality, and many thought they were already watching HD just because the TV had an HD sticker on it, and I know a lot of these people. People on the whole don't really care about quality. Marketing swept people towards HD TV, and there are a huge number of people with HD TVs watching nothing more than badly over-compressed standard definition TV and streamed video, none the wiser.
Can a really over compressed 720P video streamed YouTube clip (I don't think they stream 1080P to mobile devices currently) on a 5" display be sharper with more detail when that display is 1080P and not 720P?
If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
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If you do mind missing video information than wouldn't want to watch YouTube or any other for mobile compressed video at all, most of the detail is thrown away in compression. Instead you'd sit down with your friends and family, hire or buy the Blu-ray version of a movie, have a good quality HD TV probably adjusted with a DTS AV decoder and surround sound audio, and enjoy the film as it was intended by the director.
For YouTube clips of someone pouring water over their new Nexus 5 or dropping it on to concrete until it smashes, clips of moody cats, or unboxing reviews of the latest gagdet, I think any resolution of 5" display will do just fine for the vast majority of people.
My argument really isn't relating to us techy types who pixel peek, but the vast majority of people that are persuaded to buy a new mobile phone on the basis of larger numbers driven by marketing, when in reality the benefits are not that great.
Regards
Phil

The Nexus 4 is actually 1280x768, not 1280x720. Anyway, I agree that it has become a marketing game, with 2560x1440 and higher phone displays already planned. It's questionable even if it doesn't cost a penny, because those extra pixels slow down the screen rendering.

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Nexus 7 screen

I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.

And you do realize the base price is 199.......
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What is this, the 5th thread about complaining about the screen? It's $200-250, people!

Bhatch said:
I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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When I first received my N7 i was feeling the same way. Mines looked washed out but after a couple of hours of using the screen looks better. I know, weird

Bhatch said:
I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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What did you HONESTLY expect for the $199-$249.00 price?
I like the screen. HIgh PPI, it's wonderful for reading and very comfortable to look at.

Tell Apple homies that the screen is double retina. They can't tell.
Also, no issues with the screen here.

I'm with the OP...after reading all of the praise from the reviews I guess I just expected better. Its fine...certainly better than my Galaxy Tab Plus 7.0 but not in the same stratosphere as my Galaxy Nexus...Galaxy S3...or of course my iPad 3. I really only bought it to hack and play a few games and read a few books so its not that big of a deal but I guess the hype got the best of me. Oh well. You guys are right...250 bucks.

Well sure it's not deep black when screen on N7 is LCD, the one on Gnex is Super Amoled that is different.
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I feel the same way about the display but then I remember I could have bought 2 or so of the N7s. I am very satisfied. I don't like the chrome browser because I can't yet get it to work the way I want, I can't set the home page or auto clear cache
Bhatch said:
I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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You also have to understand that you are comparing an IPS LCD panel to Super AMOLED. AMOLED displays are know for their over-the-top contrast and very high color saturation, producing extremely deep blacks, yet as some say "very unrealistic colors".
You should not be too embarrassed. The Nexus 7 has a higher PPI than the majority of tablets out there, higher than both previous generations iPads. Though, it cannot be compared to the high PPI of the high-end Android devices of today. It is quite odd for you to have expected this to be comparable to these devices. Before purchasing this device, I'm sure you should have noticed that it had a mere 216 ppi compared to the 316 on your Galaxy Nexus.

It does look a bit washed out, but overall I'm really happy with the device as a whole.
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Eclair~ said:
You also have to understand that you are comparing an IPS LCD panel to Super AMOLED. AMOLED displays are know for their over-the-top contrast and very high color saturation, producing extremely deep blacks, yet as some say "very unrealistic colors".
You should not be too embarrassed. The Nexus 7 has a higher PPI than the majority of tablets out there, higher than both previous generations iPads. Though, it cannot be compared to the high PPI of the high-end Android devices of today. It is quite odd for you to have expected this to be comparable to these devices. Before purchasing this device, I'm sure you should have noticed that it had a mere 216 ppi compared to the 316 on your Galaxy Nexus.
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Completely correct here. It's the differing technologies.

It may look a bit washed out, but the resolution is pretty good imo. I'm coming from a Nook Tablet though, not an iPad.

lol. You can't blame the OP for noticing. I have a S II and it is obviously superb in screen quality but I don't care cause the Nexus 7 is just that badass.

OP here
Definitely getting used to it, but it would be nice if the two devices matched white balance a bit more, kinda weird going back and forth. I have three monitors at work and they had different whites for awhile and it would screw with my eyes. It was nice once I got them dialed into match a bit more.
My biggest issue with pixels was the font's and for some reason they look fine in Maps, but in Gmail they look a bit grey and pixely.
After a day of comparing Gnex to N7 I kinda wish could blend the screens together so they were both somewhere in the middle color wise. Little more color and black on the N7 and perhaps a touch less saturation on the Gnex, but leave the black as is. The blacks on the Gnex are awesome.
Happy with the device overall, but I'll keep this thread purely about the screen.

i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.

18t said:
i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.
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lol. Nice example. Did the Malibu not have extreme acceleration?
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18t said:
i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.
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What's a porche
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op.. sorry but you still don't seem to understand the difference between super amoled and IPS. they each have their advantages and sometimes it comes down to preference. The important thing is to know what you're getting into as a consumer. now it's clear you prefer the high saturation of amoled. so do I (have a gnex as well). As others already mentioned, there is also a significant difference in ppi and price of the two devices. it's up to you to determine the balance of price vs features that suit your needs/preferences. Most people will agree that for this price range, it's hard to beat and is actually quite impressive.
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Funny, my reaction was just the opposite. for $250 it was much better than I expected.

Nexus 5 screen size, real estate, and battery

The Nexus 5 looks and runs great, but everything's so big I feel like I'm using a toy phone. The PPI really would have made more sense on a 4.5/4.7" screen (or even a 4" screen for us small-handed), and for a budget phone I would have expected 720p (pixels) resolution. This would use less battery which would require less battery so it could have kept about the same thinness (but I'm perfectly happy adding thickness and heft for more battery).
I don't understand Google's thinking behind this phone. It's a great-quality phone, but it's just too big for the things on the screen. They look great about 10 inches away but normal distance from my face, about 7", everything just looks oversized. I feel like at this screen size they could have added another column or row to the launcher and had them match up to the bottom dock shortcuts.
I know how to change the PPI, but I would just more like to know what made Google decide to go with such huge icons and fonts on such a large screen with full HD (1080p) resolution and not add any more real estate to things like Chrome or Settings or anything.

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The Nexus 5 looks and runs great, but everything's so big I feel like I'm using a toy phone. The PPI really would have made more sense on a 4.5/4.7" screen (or even a 4" screen for us small-handed), and for a budget phone I would have expected 720p (pixels) resolution. This would use less battery which would require less battery so it could have kept about the same thinness (but I'm perfectly happy adding thickness and heft for more battery).
I don't understand Google's thinking behind this phone. It's a great-quality phone, but it's just too big for the things on the screen. They look great about 10 inches away but normal distance from my face, about 7", everything just looks oversized. I feel like at this screen size they could have added another column or row to the launcher and had them match up to the bottom dock shortcuts.
I know how to change the PPI, but I would just more like to know what made Google decide to go with such huge icons and fonts on such a large screen with full HD (1080p) resolution and not add any more real estate to things like Chrome or Settings or anything.
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You don't change the PPI, you change the density lol
The Nexus 5 isn't really meant to be as much of a "budget phone" as it is a "developer device" (officially for AOSP, and unofficially on here) or "reference device for other OEMs", hence why it has a 1080p display and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800. It just happens to be cheaper as they also cut some corners (and probably to make it burn a smaller hole in developer's wallets).
Anyways, nothing looks "oversized" without changing the density. Most (if not, then all) Android devices have the density set relative to the resolution (NOT physical screen size nor pixels per inch) as well as what sort of device it is (phone or tablet). It's a standard, not "whatever the OEM wants", if an OEM wants something to appear smaller or larger in their bloated system apps, they're going to modify the app itself, not change the density (which affects ALL apps rather than just the intended). I also have a Note 3 (which I never use and just gathers dust), it's the same resolution but much larger, and the stock density on that is also set to 480 (same as the Nexus 5). I also know that the HTC One (M8) and OnePlus One are also set to 480. Just about ANY Android phone with a 1080p display uses 480 (stock, at least), I don't know of one that doesn't.

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The Nexus 5 looks and runs great, but everything's so big I feel like I'm using a toy phone. The PPI really would have made more sense on a 4.5/4.7" screen (or even a 4" screen for us small-handed), and for a budget phone I would have expected 720p (pixels) resolution. This would use less battery which would require less battery so it could have kept about the same thinness (but I'm perfectly happy adding thickness and heft for more battery).
I don't understand Google's thinking behind this phone. It's a great-quality phone, but it's just too big for the things on the screen. They look great about 10 inches away but normal distance from my face, about 7", everything just looks oversized. I feel like at this screen size they could have added another column or row to the launcher and had them match up to the bottom dock shortcuts.
I know how to change the PPI, but I would just more like to know what made Google decide to go with such huge icons and fonts on such a large screen with full HD (1080p) resolution and not add any more real estate to things like Chrome or Settings or anything.
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I liked more the Galaxy Nexus size. Based on my experience "width" is what matters for one-handed phones.
However....5" is not bad. The only f***** thing here is the resolution. 1080p is a waste for a simple 5" screen.
It must be something slightly bigger than 720 without jumping to 1080.
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I have no problem with the dpi [emoji4]

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I liked more the Galaxy Nexus size. Based on my experience "width" is what matters for one-handed phones.
However....5" is not bad. The only f***** thing here is the resolution. 1080p is a waste for a simple 5" screen.
It must be something slightly bigger than 720 without jumping to 1080.
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1080 isn't a waste at all. Its HD. If it makes sense on a 32" TV several feet away, it makes sense on a 5".screen several inches away. Its called "viewing distance".
Choosing some arbitrary resolution between 720 and 1080 is a silly idea. These resolutions are a global standard and media content is created to these standards. Choosing something win between would mean no content was optimised for our display so something would be lost in the downscaling or upscaling.
1080p is perfect for the distance you view it. If you sit 1 metre away from a 50" 1080p TV, it won't look HD. It will look lower blocky. That is because the pixels are literally bigger than a 32" TV of the same resolution. Its designed to be viewed from further away. As you move the TV further away, the image gets clearer as the pixels appear smaller.
All PPI is about is measuring the amount of pixels in an inch. This is a fixed value. A 1080 screen always has the same amount of pixels. This means the pixels are bigger on a bigger screen, so the PPI decreases. The smaller the PPI is, the further away you would expect to view it from.
1080p on a 5" screen would be ridiculous if the device was intended to be used at over 1 metre away though. Because that is beyond the optimum viewing distance. It would mean that the image again lost detail.
I think 2k and 4k on this size screen is over kill. But that's not because of these reasons. We would definitely notice a sharper image on the display. The problem is that there is a massive performance hit. The GPU works harder meaning its slower than it would be on a lower resolution. It uses battery because of this.since there is very little content, its not a worthwhile trade off at this time.
That said though, visually it would look better. The screen may need to be 6" to really get the benefit though. Otherwise the PPI would be too high for the viewing distance and your need to move the display closer than the screen closer than the usual distance to get the full effect
DPI is something entirely different. That's what causes the assets on screen (buttons, icons etc) to appear bigger or smaller.
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Yeah I know all that. Just saying...1080 is a waste for a 5". A waste of GPU and resources.
We don't really need more than 330ppi on a Phone....
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Yeah I know all that. Just saying...1080 is a waste for a 5". A waste of GPU and resources.
We don't really need more than 330ppi on a Phone....
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Your first sentence directly contradicts your last sentence. If you understood optimal viewing distances you would know that we do need a higher PPI. Why should we be restricted to lower quality videos on a mobile phone?
Yes,it uses more resources to play higher resolution content. But its not a waste because a majority of content is at that resolution
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Well at the distance I use the phone 330ppi is optimal!
I think 330 is ok for phones. Look at the iPhones they've a good screen without having 400+ PPI.
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Well at the distance I use the phone 330ppi is optimal!
I think 330 is ok for phones. Look at the iPhones they've a good screen without having 400+ PPI.
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I can see you're still a bit confused about your argument. PPI is not the unit of measure you should be using. It does nothing to tell us resolution OR screensize so as a number on it's own is entirely useless.
PPI is just a result of resolution and screen size
PPI = width squared + length squared, divided by the square root of screen size.
Optimal viewing distance is about resolution and screen size. The bigger a screen, the further away it needs to be for the resolution to be correct. You can't say "330ppi is optimal" because that's not how it works. You can have 2 completely different resolutions with the same PPI.
For example, on a 5" screen, 720x1500 would be 330 PPI.
Similarly, on a 10" screen, 1500x2950 would be 330 PPI.
The optimal viewing distance of both these example screens is completely different so to say that 330PPI is optimal for a distance is wholly wrong. You cannot use PPI as a valid unit of measure unless you first specify a screen size. There is no such thing as optimal viewing distance for a PPI.
Optimal viewing distance is about resolution and screen size. If you stick to 1 resolution (lets use 1080p as the obvious example), the optimal viewing distance of a 5" screen is less than the optimal viewing distance of a 10" screen. This is because the pixels are bigger on the 10" screen. if you compare an image on a 10" screen to an image of a 5" screen at the same resolution AND distance, and at the opwholeytimal viewing distance of the 5" screen, the 4" image will be crisp and share where as the 10" image will be blocky. You have to increase the viewing distance of the 10" screen to get the same crisp image.
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You can practice this yourself. Put a 1080p movie on your Phone and TV. Watch the movie on your phone at 5" from your face. Watch teh movie on the TV at the same distance. Forget the fact you cannot see the entire screen. Focus on the centre of the screen. You will be able to pick out individual pixels and the section of the screen you are looking at will not appear as a single image. Just a series of blocks. The bigger your TV, the more noticeable this will be.
To get a 330 PPI value on a 4.95" screen like the nexus 5, and maintain 16:9 aspect ratio, you'd be looking at 1450x816 resolution. There are ways to work out optimal viewing distances, but it's quite complex. If you're interested, you can find that information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
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VD: Viewing distance
DS: Display's diagonal size
NHR: Display's native horizontal resolution (in pixels)
NVR: Display's native vertical resolution (in pixels)
CVR: Vertical resolution of the video being displayed (in pixels)
The optimal viewing distance for a screen the size of a nexus 5 is 7.2 inches (0.6 foot) - which is about what we hold it at.*
*based on:
http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/tv-screen-size-calculator/
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
Now I suppose when we get up to 2k and 4k, there will be a problem. At that distance, the human eye may fail to recognise a difference between 1080p and higher resolutions. To get benefit, the screen would need to be bigger and further away...although some say for those holding the screen right up close to their face, characters will look better
All that said, I can recognise a difference between 720p and 1080p at that distance. So yeah, 1080p is about for a screen our size. Or also for a tablet, which typically would use ant a slightly further way distance than a phone.
So really, it all depends on your eyesight or how short your arms are. If you hold the phone too close to your face, 1080p is not optimal on a 5" screen. You would probably want a smaller screen or a higher resolution, otherwise it may appear blocky. At the appropriate distance for a mobile phone, anything over 1080p may be pointless but bringing it closer may prove beneficial, but that could cause eye strain as you're focusing too close.
There is a really useful chart here
In summary:
If you hold your phone further than the optimal distance, you may get away with losing some resolution as the further away it is, the less you'll notice. OR you need a bigger screen to make it the optimal viewing distance for that resolution
If you hold your phone closer than the optimal distance, you could need to get a higher resolution OR a smaller screen
Like TV's, you should buy the size or resolution based on your fixed viewing distance. For a TV, its the resolution standard of 1080p (because most of our content is that resolution) then you look at the distance your sofa is from the TV stand and buy the correct size. Assuming you need the same resolution for content on your phone, you look at the distance and buy the appropriate screen size. People who hold their phones closer will want a smaller screen for 1080. People who hold them further away will want a bigger screen at that resolution. This trend will continue as content resolution increases, but this cannot go on forever.

Yeah sorry, when i said "phone" i was meant aproximately 5"... Not 4" or 6" or much more.
I was trying to say that I prefer a 5" screen with 720p than a 5" screen with 1080p. Regardless of the lose of quality.

thesebastian said:
Yeah sorry, when i said "phone" i was meant aproximately 5"... Not 4" or 6" or much more.
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Ok no worries.
As I say, it depends on how good your eyes are and how far away you hold your phone. 1080 is about right for a 5" screen if you have 20/20 vision and hold your phone an average distance from your face, so the 1080p resolution is the average for our phone.
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I was trying to say that I prefer a 5" screen with 720p than a 5" screen with 1080p. Regardless of the lose of quality.
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So then this probably means that you hold your phone a little further away than average... and if you do that's fine. It just means that you're outside the bounds of what a Nexus 5 is catered for, which is the masses (average)
EDIT > I'm like you though, but with 1080. 1080 is great for me with a 5" screen. A higher resolution at that size would be almost pointless for me as I would need to hold it closer, so to get a 2k phone, I would need a bigger screen size as holding it closer isn't really an option.

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EDIT > I'm like you though, but with 1080. 1080 is great for me with a 5" screen. A higher resolution at that size would be almost pointless for me as I would need to hold it closer, so to get a 2k phone, I would need a bigger screen size as holding it closer isn't really an option.
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Just thought I'd say I agree with you lol 1080p is enough on a phone, for most. On a tablet however, higher than 1080p would be pretty nice if the specifications support it decently.

Lethargy said:
Just thought I'd say I agree with you lol 1080p is enough on a phone, for most. On a tablet however, higher than 1080p would be pretty nice if the specifications support it decently.
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Yeah. I also forgot to say that bigger than a 5" screen is also not an option for me as I cant reach everywhere one handed. So I cannot increase screen size and I cannot ergonomically reduce viewing distance, so I am stuck at 1080. With a tablet, one-handed operation wouldn't be a restriction, so I could increase screen size. My viewing distance would be largely the same, so the 1080p resolution could get blocky with a bigger screen if I don't increase the resolution.
Not sure what the next gen of phones I buy will offer. I'm possibly willing to go up to 5.5". BUT I don't think that increase in size would warrant an increase in resolution for me. So if OEM's start to make 2k the standard, I'm going to have a problem.

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Yeah. I also forgot to say that bigger than a 5" screen is also not an option for me as I cant reach everywhere one handed. So I cannot increase screen size and I cannot ergonomically reduce viewing distance, so I am stuck at 1080. With a tablet, one-handed operation wouldn't be a restriction, so I could increase screen size. My viewing distance would be largely the same, so the 1080p resolution could get blocky with a bigger screen if I don't increase the resolution.
Not sure what the next gen of phones I buy will offer. I'm possibly willing to go up to 5.5". BUT I don't think that increase in size would warrant an increase in resolution for me. So if OEM's start to make 2k the standard, I'm going to have a problem.
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The Nexus 5's 4.95" and 1080p already feels perfect.. I have a Note 3 and never use it since I hate the size (and not to mention being a Samsung product). I have a feeling that if newer devices are going to be larger, I'll be sticking with my Nexus 5 for a little longer.

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The Nexus 5's 4.95" and 1080p already feels perfect.. I have a Note 3 and never use it since I hate the size (and not to mention being a Samsung product). I have a feeling that if newer devices are going to be larger, I'll be sticking with my Nexus 5 for a little longer.
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True that.. Note 2/3 have attractive amoled screens, but when it comes to an actual professional pure crisp and sharp screen nexus 5 is damm good.. Extremely sharp and natural colors

Lethargy said:
The Nexus 5's 4.95" and 1080p already feels perfect.. I have a Note 3 and never use it since I hate the size (and not to mention being a Samsung product). I have a feeling that if newer devices are going to be larger, I'll be sticking with my Nexus 5 for a little longer.
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I think for a lot of people, 5" is the sweet spot.

ali262883 said:
True that.. Note 2/3 have attractive amoled screens, but when it comes to an actual professional pure crisp and sharp screen nexus 5 is damm good.. Extremely sharp and natural colors
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AMOLED.. Personally I think they're ugh. Mostly people who do nothing but Facebook/etc on their silly Samsung devices (aka the majority) say its better, but colour reproduction means nothing to them. Lol. I love the Nexus 5's screen.

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AMOLED.. Personally I think they're ugh. Mostly people who do nothing but Facebook/etc on their silly Samsung devices (aka the majority) say its better, but colour reproduction means nothing to them. Lol. I love the Nexus 5's screen.
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Its a compromise. LCD is better colour reproduction but then Amoled have individual pixel lighting, meaning pure black saves energy and also can be used as a night clock without the entire backlight panel lighting up the room.
2 ways to address this.
1) Colour profiles for AMOLED.
2) LED backlighting like TV's for LCD

I love my lcd screen more than my friend's s4 amoled screen [emoji14].. Its colorful but not as sharp as that of nexus 5.. And whites are completely dead..

OnePlus and Display Color Accuracy

Ordered my OnePlus last week (I'm upgrading from a Moto X 2015 Pure) and I'm looking forward to getting it. I've been looking over various reviews and came across this one by AnandTech, regarding the display color/accuracy:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/4
The OnePlus doesn't score very high on the benchmarks that were used, but what I'm curious about is why OnePlus chose to render NTSC color space, instead of the more widely accepted RGB standard?
The author of the review states:
"After reaching out to OnePlus, explaining why the choice of the NTSC color space as a target doesn't make any sense, and showing the errors it causes with sRGB rendition, they told me that they now intend to offer an sRGB mode as an option in an upcoming OTA update."
Is this something that can be tweaked once I get the phone or will I have to wait? I know color accuracy may not be a big deal to many of you, a lot displays are overly saturated straight from factory anyways, but I've also been seeing reports of green tint etc by various reviews/users. I just wanted to post this information here and wanted to know what your thoughts/opinions are about this.

I feel the display has more of a blue tint than a green.
Some of the issues can be fixed through software, imo. Not all.
The display as it is, isn't as bad as that suggests. But it could be improved for sure. I think they've tried to oversaturate to compensate for the panel.

I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.

Droff said:
I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.

gtg465x said:
Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great.
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Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
I was very worried about this, especially as I already on OP2 and was wondering whether I should get the OP3. According to anandtech, OP3 is amazing in everything other than the screen calibration, just like the OP2. So thanks for the clarification. :highfive: It's annoying that they didn't cover some topics like audio/DAC quality and community development support. The amount of source code released is staggering, on par with a Nexus, even dash charge will work as they will release the binaries as stated on their GitHub. We got our first custom rom within an hour of the op3 announcement, which I believe is a new record. Many famous devs from other devices are moving to the OP3, like arter97, DespairFactor and sultanxda. And we already have grarak.
But I was also wondering(since I don't have a spectrophotometer) whether the default color profile on custom roms for the op2 and op3 are accurate or whether they are same as stock. I tried the threads, but couldn't find a satisfactory answer. I assume with kcal it could be fixed, but atleast for the OP2 I have found no color profiles that claim to have been a result of accurate calibration using a spectrophotometer. So I just boosted the saturation a tiny bit and it looks much better. You are right that the display looks good though, but users will never know the difference if they aren't exposed to accurate colors right? I wonder how anandtech knows that the display colors seem off just by looking at it.
And like the other user said, this is actually odd because oneplus sells through the internet, not retail, so they have no incentive to calibrate to appear "vivid", whatever that's supposed to mean. So I basically don't understand why oneplus would choose to calibrate their display like this.
About the resolution, atleast on my OP2 and a friend's Galaxy note 5(stock, friend isn't a power user) compared side to side(at different viewing distances), I could tell that the note 5 display was way better/sharper, atleast to me. And I actually went in expecting my op2 display to be better.
I don't know whether that was because of the colors or actual resolution or something else. I could also notice how freaking blue the op2 display was when we compared high res black and white pictures. To be fair, the black and white pic on the note 5 looked a bit yellow to me.
So to sum up, my questions are,
is the default color profile on custom roms for op2/op3 accurate unlike stock?
If not, is there an easy way to obtain an accurate display on these devices using kcal or something else?
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
Regardless, I am most likely going to purchase an OP3(although I'm still skeptical about the display), since as you said, the numerous advantages dwarf the few minor flaws, and it costs half as much as many flagships. I'm currently in India, but will be going to the US in August to study undergrad computer science (maybe get into Android development as well!). So I'm probably going to have to wait to purchase the north american model instead of the global one for LTE reasons, will have to check. Kinda sucks. I wonder why oems have SO MANY different variants of the same phone(especially Samsung). One reason I can think of is they can't fit in all the LTE and other radios required to support all frequencies/bands without compromising on other parts of the phone.
I personally think a cool phone for some people would be one that has one large compromise, but is near perfect in everything else, like design, performance, and dev support. For example, a phone without cameras, but near perfect in everything else. Maybe if the op3 eliminated the camera and poured that money into the display and other minor flaws, it would have been even better! Just my opinion though.
Edit: hey I just realized, that's the strength of truly modular phones!!! You can choose your own compromises, like no large camera in favour of using that space for a larger battery, or some other combo! Ugh, that was so obvious..

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Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
"With our relationships in the supply chain, we know the BOM (bill of materials) of all other flagships. Out of all the devices that the OnePlus 3 gets compared to, it is one of, if not the most expensive to make. Do you think the price delta between a 2K AMOLED and a 1080p AMOLED is huge? It's a product decision, and spec by spec is not how to judge a product. The OnePlus 3 uses latest generation AMOLED made to our specifications by Samsung. The vast majority of our users, and reviewers love Optic AMOLED. It is NOT tuned to sRGB, and was never meant to be. sRGB tuning is a niche requirement and is not the right choice for the vast majority of smartphone users. Why do you think it's hidden under developer settings on the 6P? For those who need it, we've taken note, and have added it to the next OTA."
Source: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/even-carl-tires-of-constant-nitpicking-display-options-forthcoming-on-next-ota.451786/

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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
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Interesting. Check out further debate in the comments.
http://www.anandtech.com/comments/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/504784
I'm no expert, but it seems like anandtech sticks to sRGB for a reason. I would not trust any party(oneplus, anandtech, anyone else) too much until I have more info. But you have to admit anandtech seem slightly more trustworthy since they give you "real" reasons and are a 3rd party reviewer unlike oneplus. Carl's reason was just that people like it and sRGB is not the standard(no reason provided). He didn't even respond to the usage of pentile amoled(last used in the Galaxy note 3 I believe). And im confused as to why he is citing expenses. That does not seem relevant (if we don't take into consideration that higher price means higher quality).
Usually your eyes just adapt to the display regardless of its color accuracy, since I don't think most people can't judge very well whether colors are accurate.(including me)
Thanks for the link though. Wonder when Android when implement some kind of color calibration standard. Or when some kind of metric for smartphone display quality/accuracy will be developed.
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Here's another link. Note the last paragraph which I've also pasted here in hide quotes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7821/color-gamut-in-mobile-and-pcs
Seems pretty unbiased and there really doesn't seem to be any incentive for them to misconstrue their report.
http://gizmodo.com/which-smartphone-and-tablet-displays-show-the-most-accu-1660275228
Ultimately, such quibbles over color gamut and the resultant color accuracy of the display may not be able to override the dominant discourse of subjectively evaluated color in a display, and many people prefer the look of an oversaturated display to that of a properly calibrated one. But within the debates that will undoubtedly take place over such a subject, it is crucial to keep in mind that regardless of personal opinion on display colors, color accuracy is a quantitative, objective analysis of display quality. While subjectively, one may prefer a display that has a color gamut larger than sRGB, objectively, such a display isn't accurate. Of course, including a vivid display profile isn't a problem, but there should always be a display profile that makes for accurate color.
@TritonB7 if you're on the oneplus forums (I'm not), I think it would be interesting if you posted there and linked them here to see what their response is.
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I hope someone releases a guide on xda or elsewhere, how to calibrate displays accurately using kcal, or publishes a list of calibrated kcal profiles for different phones. Or maybe there already is a guide like that. I'll try searching.

Konskl said:
can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.

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can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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Two more things fixed. http://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3-reviewer-ota-brings-srgb-mode-and-ram-adjustments/

I just got my phone yesterday and very impressed with it having come from the Moto X Pure. I do see the display shift to blue hue when viewing the display at an angle, but I rarely ever do that and it's not enough to bother me. Also, I thought I'd link to this review regarding ota 3.1.4 ( you will need to use google translate).
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/oneplus/365110_oneplus-3-oxygenos-3-1-4-mise-a-jour-change

For me, the "Optic AMOLED" is most problematic when it comes to having lots of text on the screen and reading text. Granted, that's an extremely important feature, but I just mean that as far as the experience of playing games, consuming media, looking at and taking pictures, and so on, the average user will probably be happier with an oversaturated display (re: more Samsung-like) than they would be with more faithful color reproduction. It seems like to the layman, oversaturation = better quality display, at least to a degree.

Hey everyone, just wanted to check back in and thank everyone for their thoughts on this matter. I also wanted let you all know that Anandtech just posted an update to their original review regarding the OnePlus3 display, stating:
To say that OnePlus's new sRGB mode provides a substantial improvement in display accuracy would be an understatement. The display has gone from being the most inaccurate display that I've seen in years, to being among the most accurate displays that we have on record.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2

gtg465x said:
No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.
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Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.

Triton, that's really great to hear!
Now if just my replacement device (had irregular color hue on screen...) would be here... then I could enjoy this great phone even more!

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Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.
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If it was a few generations old, it would not be accurate or efficient

I can't wait for the update. These updates will bring positivity to OnePlus 3. I'm waiting for update before root.
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Are you serious? The S7 display is WAY better in every aspect.
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I'm serious. I have both phones right here. And I did say that the S7 Edge display is a little brighter and a little sharper, but I don't see how that makes it WAY better, especially now that OnePlus has provided an update that calibrates it to be just as accurate as the S7 display in sRGB mode.
Many aspects are the same. Both are covered in Gorilla Glass 4. They have equal viewing angles. They are both AMOLED and made by Samsung. They both have similarly accurate colors in sRGB mode.

Bad Diaplay

My display is looking like it's in a low resolution, feels like I can see the pixels and look oversharp, I didn't change anything on the settings and coming from a phone who isnt famous for the display (iPhone 7) this screen feels worse ;(

That's because it's a 1080 pentile matrix display . With a pentile matrix the effective resolution is lower than it actually is around 900, so yes the OP3T display isn't great and looks quite grainy.

I'm coming from a Nexus 6p with qhd and the difference is not noticeable. It could be during some game but actually I didn't see any difference..

Lol i dont see any problem and i welcome this display over these ridiculous 4k battery hogs. The funny thing is 4 years ago you would have looked at the latest iphone and been like wow the display is beautiful. Just because there are phones with better looking displays doesn't mean anything worse than them is now somehow bad.

EuEra said:
Lol i dont see any problem and i welcome this display over these ridiculous 4k battery hogs. The funny thing is 4 years ago you would have looked at the latest iphone and been like wow the display is beautiful. Just because there are phones with better looking displays doesn't mean anything worse than them is now somehow bad.
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The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.

B3501 said:
The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.
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I don't see it either. I've recently switched to the OP3T from a Xperia Z3 with an LCD screen and the OP3T definitely has a much better screen.

B3501 said:
The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.
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Yes, for me the problem is the sharpness, comparing to my Moto G4 screen the OP3 looks worse.
I don't know what to do to smooth it ;/

alexandrekva said:
Yes, for me the problem is the sharpness, comparing to my Moto G4 screen the OP3 looks worse.
I don't know what to do to smooth it ;/
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There's bad fringing around text also. It's just a bad display.
I do think some people are more sensitive to it though, it definitely annoys me.

B3501 said:
There's bad fringing around text also. It's just a bad display.
I do think some people are more sensitive to it though, it definitely annoys me.
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Yes, i don't know how this display is worse than the one in g4 ;(
When there's a black text on a white or light background it's very very annoying.

B3501 said:
The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.
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You definitely cant see pixels it's clearly in your head people where claiming you couldn't see pixels on the iphone 4s at the time. Can i ask what size your pc monitor and what resolution it puts out? I don't understand why people think 1080 on such a tiny display isn't already insane as it is. You are just getting fixated on numbers for no reason. And you are being silly there is no myth, more pixels = more battery use no matter which way you look at it it's a fact, the newer panels might be more efficient but it still doesn't make up the difference.

EuEra said:
You definitely cant see pixels it's clearly in your head people where claiming you couldn't see pixels on the iphone 4s at the time. Can i ask what size your pc monitor and what resolution it puts out? I don't understand why people think 1080 on such a tiny display isn't already insane as it is. You are just getting fixated on numbers for no reason. And you are being silly there is no myth, more pixels = more battery use no matter which way you look at it it's a fact, the newer panels might be more efficient but it still doesn't make up the difference.
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I completely disagree. I'd say that some people are more sensitive to it and so might not be able to see the pixels where some can. 1080 on a 5.5inch pentile display isn't overkill. The OP3T doesn't beat the S7 or even the 2K Pixel XL on battery life, why if 1080 is such a big battery saver? because Samsung are class leaders in screens and optimisation, their panels sip battery.

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I completely disagree. I'd say that some people are more sensitive to it and so might not be able to see the pixels where some can. 1080 on a 5.5inch pentile display isn't overkill. The OP3T doesn't beat the S7 or even the 2K Pixel XL on battery life, why if 1080 is such a big battery saver? because Samsung are class leaders in screens and optimisation, their panels sip battery.
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Samsung actually makes the displays in the OP3/T...

EuEra said:
You definitely cant see pixels it's clearly in your head people where claiming you couldn't see pixels on the iphone 4s at the time. Can i ask what size your pc monitor and what resolution it puts out? I don't understand why people think 1080 on such a tiny display isn't already insane as it is. You are just getting fixated on numbers for no reason. And you are being silly there is no myth, more pixels = more battery use no matter which way you look at it it's a fact, the newer panels might be more efficient but it still doesn't make up the difference.
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Exactly why samsung and those 2K screens now default to 1080 resolution on Nougat. You have to go in and manually set it to 2K if you want it that high for some reason. I wonder why Samsung would do that if it didnt improve performance and battery?

EuEra said:
You definitely cant see pixels it's clearly in your head people where claiming you couldn't see pixels on the iphone 4s at the time. Can i ask what size your pc monitor and what resolution it puts out? I don't understand why people think 1080 on such a tiny display isn't already insane as it is. You are just getting fixated on numbers for no reason. And you are being silly there is no myth, more pixels = more battery use no matter which way you look at it it's a fact, the newer panels might be more efficient but it still doesn't make up the difference.
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I know that a 1080p diplay is just fine, but im questioning the quality of the display. Again, i dont know if its just mine device but theres a notable oversharp.

B3501 said:
The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.
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Coming from an S7 Edge as of Friday, I can tell you that the battery life on it isn't very good. 100% stock I would get less than a full day, and with the garbage root method we had, I would get about 6 hours (with 5 hours being standby) before I had to charge it. And as far as the screen goes, I can't see pixels exactly, but I do notice the grainy effect because of the pentile matrix. Although colors, contrast, and sharpness are fantastic. White letters on a colored background can be seen as grainy if you're really looking for it. Still very happy with this display

Gotta say I love the display on the 3T which is same as 3 so yah really don't see the quality problem. My other phone being the Galaxy S7 really don't see much a difference with these to.

I have to say the 3T display isn't great, I can definitely notice the drop in resolution over a 2k screen. The 3T looks grainy. I hope they increase the resolution for the OP5.

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The latest optimised 2k(they're not 4K) panels use LESS battery than most poor 1080panels. The whole "2k panels use more battery" is a myth with today's tech, check out the S7 battery life for this. The fact is, the OP3T panel is poor quality and the pixels can be quite easily seen.
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When you say "easily", what do you mean ?? Like sticking the phone on your nose to see the pixels ??
Cause I use it about 1 feet away "at least", and I don't see no pixels.
Asking for a 2K display on phones is like those people who ask for 60+ FPS on a game, but has only a 60Hz monitor.

devlamania said:
When you say "easily", what do you mean ?? Like sticking the phone on your nose to see the pixels ??
Cause I use it about 1 feet away "at least", and I don't see no pixels.
Asking for a 2K display on phones is like those people who ask for 60+ FPS on a game, but has only a 60Hz monitor.
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I can without a doubt see a grainy effect on text at normal viewing distance. 2k resolution smooths it out, 4k is probably overkill.

Batfink33 said:
I can without a doubt see a grainy effect on text at normal viewing distance. 2k resolution smooths it out, 4k is probably overkill.
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But I don't think that the problem here is the resolution, seems like the display quality is the real problem ;/
I did something and in my opinion the display look a lot better. If you have root download easy dpi changer and change the resolution to 2560/1440, 3200/1800, 3840/2160.
Tell me if you see any difference, I know that seems crazy, but for me worked.
There are some bugs like black recent apps e tou can't take screenshots, but for me worth it.

Pentile Amoled

I am keen to buy the OP5 but the pentile Amoled is holding me back ! Have heard a few reviews of the lacking display, especially with only FHD resolution.
Any thoughts or feedback, and any feedback from OP3 users would be appreciated.
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I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.

pharpe said:
I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.
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That's true but I would keep FHD to mid-range phone and QHD on top-end phones. Yes I agree 1080p is definitely more than enough for a normal user but not a power user such as myself as 2K makes a HUGE different in Virtual Reality which is becoming big. Nothing stops OnePlus from implementing the same feature as the S8 where it switches between 1080p and 2K when it needs it! (not sure if that's true just something I heard) or for an another example there's the Sony flagship with the 4K screen it only enables 4K when it needs it as that will eat the battery and resources. So I don't see no reason why they shouldn't implement a 2K screen (apart from them keeping costs down)

Since V/R-A/R will be with us on smartphones for at least 1 more iteration, How will this resolution look in V/R?

pharpe said:
I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.
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It's not the resolution which is a challenge, rather it's the pentile arrangement of the Amoled screen... That's what I am looking to get more info about.
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Agree totally. Loved the OP3 apart from the screen which was really poor compared to rivals. You could get used to it for sure but side by side with others it was really apparent how poor it was (effective resolution due to pentile and the colours)

Pentile on 1080 is totally NOT ok. It is clearly visible.
Pentile on 2k would give a full 1080 resolution.
But... My LG G2 is from 2013 and has a full 1080(lcd) display. If I buy a phone 4 years later, i'd expect it to be a full 2k resolution.

The 1080 pentile on the OP3 is horrible. I'm praying the OP5 has a QHD display or I won't buy it.

I own a OP3 and the screen is perfectly fine for me and my friends.
To be nitpicking just blacks are a bit washed out, but not badly at all.

Giocarro said:
I own a OP3 and the screen is perfectly fine for me and my friends.
To be nitpicking just blacks are a bit washed out, but not badly at all.
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Coming from a S7edge, that's sounds like bad news for me [emoji22]
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I would also love to see a 1440p display.

Well, while people gripe about why their microscopic screens don't have the resolution required for a 60 inch tv to have I guess less of us are going to enjoy the best smartphone of 2017. People are really pushing for the uselessness of QHD for experimental technology such as VR? Even if you get the QHD you want, are you really going to have that headset plugged in all the time to justify having QHD? Then again i guess those 160x160 photos people post on facebook look great in 2560x1440. My tablet has a QHD screen and i dont notice the difference. QHD is just useless on anything smaller than a 32 inch display. Stop jacking up the price for the 5% of people who would even benefit from QHD. Im sure VR looks fine in 1080, or does it look bad because some famous tech reviewer said it looks bad?

OcazPrime said:
Well, while people gripe about why their microscopic screens don't have the resolution required for a 60 inch tv to have I guess less of us are going to enjoy the best smartphone of 2017. People are really pushing for the uselessness of QHD for experimental technology such as VR? Even if you get the QHD you want, are you really going to have that headset plugged in all the time to justify having QHD? Then again i guess those 160x160 photos people post on facebook look great in 2560x1440. My tablet has a QHD screen and i dont notice the difference. QHD is just useless on anything smaller than a 32 inch display. Stop jacking up the price for the 5% of people who would even benefit from QHD. Im sure VR looks fine in 1080, or does it look bad because some famous tech reviewer said it looks bad?
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Nonsense.

B3501 said:
Nonsense.
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Nice rebuttal m8

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Nice rebuttal m8
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Do people not know how pentile displays work? Your getting an effective resolution of around 800-900 with the 1080 OP3. It's not enough and you can see it on the 3T. The OPO is even sharper because it doesn't use a pentile display. If the OP5 has another 1080 pentile display its a major draw back.

B3501 said:
Do people not know how pentile displays work? Your getting an effective resolution of around 800-900 with the 1080 OP3. It's not enough and you can see it on the 3T. The OPO is even sharper because it doesn't use a pentile display. If the OP5 has another 1080 pentile display its a major draw back.
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I know how they work. It's a phone dude. Who cares about huge resolutions on this small display. It's not a major draw back, it saves power and money for both us and OnePlus. Get a computer if you need better viewing conditions. I've never had an issue watching youtube in HD or twitch in HD on my 3T. It always looks incredibly sharp and clear with nice colors. Then again I appear to be not even 1% as picky as you seem to be
I personally don't need the extreme HD screen because most of what people do on phones is check email, text, take pictures, social media, web browsing and maybe a game for a bit or watch youtube for a little bit. Not everyone is watching 4K videos on their phones or using VR or whatever else you'd even need a QHD screen for....

OcazPrime said:
I know how they work. It's a phone dude. Who cares about huge resolutions on this small display. It's not a major draw back, it saves power and money for both us and OnePlus. Get a computer if you need better viewing conditions. I've never had an issue watching youtube in HD or twitch in HD on my 3T. It always looks incredibly sharp and clear with nice colors. Then again I appear to be not even 1% as picky as you seem to be
I personally don't need the extreme HD screen because most of what people do on phones is check email, text, take pictures, social media, web browsing and maybe a game for a bit or watch youtube for a little bit. Not everyone is watching 4K videos on their phones or using VR or whatever else you'd even need a QHD screen for....
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It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.

B3501 said:
It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.
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+1.

B3501 said:
It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.
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the thing is, no one here seems to be taking these leaks with a grain of salt whatsoever. They think they know all the specs already. If they turn out to be correct then great. But, the reveal is 6 days away from now. Can't we just wait for the reveal until we're up in arms about a small piece of glass with glowing lights? I'm all for whatever lets me have more battery and a good experience overall. But we know nothing official about the internals of the phone at the moment. I'm going to say wait and relax until the thing is out or we know the official specs straight from oneplus themselves.

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the thing is, no one here seems to be taking these leaks with a grain of salt whatsoever. They think they know all the specs already. If they turn out to be correct then great. But, the reveal is 6 days away from now. Can't we just wait for the reveal until we're up in arms about a small piece of glass with glowing lights? I'm all for whatever lets me have more battery and a good experience overall. But we know nothing official about the internals of the phone at the moment. I'm going to say wait and relax until the thing is out or we know the official specs straight from oneplus themselves.
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If it is pentile, I'd have to see it in person to tell if it would bother me or not. I had a galaxy nexus which had a 720p pentile, and that was a little bit bothersome, and the nexus 6 with 1440p pentile, which I couldn't notice if I tried. I don't think I've ever seen a 1080p pentile in person, but it's gotta be better than 720p pentile!

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