So, I want to install Cyanogenmod on my XZ, using flashtool to unlock the bootloader and doomlord's expliots to root.
However, won't rooting first re-lock the bootloader? Or unlocking the bootloader remove root? Both things wipe the everything, so... Help lpease?
Whatever you do, be sure to backup your TA partition before you unlock your bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292598. To do this, you first need to root your device without unlocking your bootloader.
Otherwise you will lose your DRM keys permanently and you will never be able to use certain functions (like Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2) anymore, not even if you relock your bootloader and restore to a stock ROM.
Please also note that by requesting a bootloader unlock key from Sony, the IMEI number of your phone gets blacklisted and your warranty is void.
Apollo89 said:
Please also note that by requesting a bootloader unlock key from Sony, the IMEI number of your phone gets blacklisted and your warranty is void.
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Hi Apollo89, are you sure about that?
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Hi Apollo89, are you sure about that?
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Go to http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/unlock/step1. At step 2, you need to agree with the following legal terms before you can continue:
I acknowledge that use of the boot loader may void the phone’s warranty.
I acknowledge that, if Sony does perform any warranty repairs, Sony may charge a service fee for additional costs associated with the modified software.
So if a phone with an unlocked bootloader (or relocked bootloader) needs to be repaired, your warranty may be void, it's completely up to Sony to decide about that and they have the legal right to charge you for the repair because you agreed to those terms. If that's fine with you, you can continue to unlock your bootloader and flash a custom ROM like CyanogenMod. I myself would only consider this after official firmware updates have been discontinued.
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Go to http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/unlock/step1. At step 2, you need to agree with the following legal terms before you can continue:
I acknowledge that use of the boot loader may void the phone’s warranty.
I acknowledge that, if Sony does perform any warranty repairs, Sony may charge a service fee for additional costs associated with the modified software.
So if a phone with an unlocked bootloader (or relocked bootloader) needs to be repaired, your warranty may be void, it's completely up to Sony to decide about that and they have the legal right to charge you for the repair because you agreed to those terms. If that's fine with you, you can continue to unlock your bootloader and flash a custom ROM like CyanogenMod. I myself would only consider this after official firmware updates have been discontinued.
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Damn, so you say if i request an unlock key for my bootloader, but never use it. Do it still void my warranty. I mean, maybe some people change there mind after they request the unlock key and never use it to unlock the bootloader.
CiscoX said:
Damn, so you say if i request an unlock key for my bootloader, but never use it. Do it still void my warranty. I mean, maybe some people change there mind after they request the unlock key and never use it to unlock the bootloader.
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You should only request the key if you're going to unlock your phone. Sony has no way to check if you unlocked your phone and then restored a TA backup, so that's why they require you to register your IMEI number.
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You should only request the key if you're going to unlock your phone. Sony has no way to check if you unlocked your phone and then restored a TA backup, so that's why they require you to register your IMEI number.
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ahhh, Thanks you so much for the information Apollo89
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ahhh, Thanks you so much for the information Apollo89
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Anyway, if Sony refuses warranty, you could go to court and argue that you only requested the key, but didn't use it. Then it's up to the judge to decide if requesting the key (and agreeing to those terms) is enough evidence or not. However, I think most people won't go to court and just pay for the repair or buy a new phone. What I meant to say is: just be careful and think twice before doing such modifications
I think Denmark have pretty strict rules to protect the consumer, so I really doubt that Sony would get away with applying these rules here - but this definitely makes me not want to unlock the bootloader before I have seen Sonys 4.4 firmware.
Thanks for the info!
That being said, I think Sonys stock ROM works really well.
I'm rootet, running SwiftKey, Handcent SMS, Aqua Mail, HD Widgets an Apex Launcher Pro. I get 3 - 4 hours of screen time on stock settings.
I have no reason to really want another ROM.
Had it been a Samsung or HTC device I would have needed to strip the device of all the bloat
ware and get rid the massive battery drain, caused by wake locks from the manufacturers ROM.
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Is there an option to lock the bootloader again after unlock?? for warranty things
8don't know but I don't think it will work cause of custom boot image.
I don't know. I have flashed the v20a (leak version) and unlock its bootloader, then rollback to official v10e, and then flash the official v20a and the bootloader is already unlocked. I think its been unlock forever maybe????
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Is there an option to lock the bootloader again after unlock?? for warranty things
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Supposedly, you can flash a v10x firmware and it'll show as locked again, if I'm not mistaken. Although if they update your firmware back to a v20x, as they probably will, it will show as unlocked, and they might have a way to know when/how it was unlocked, and claim you had it unlocked before.
My advice (and personal intention) is, unless you're a developer, do not unlock the bootloader unless you're willing to risk voiding your warranty.
Although I'd be quite curious to know if they'd have the guts to invoke the unlocked bootloader for someone that goes in with stuff like dust between the screen and the Gorilla glass, or hardware failure of some sort.
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Is there an option to lock the bootloader again after unlock?? for warranty things
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AFAIK when you unlocking bootloader you actually write some data to a special memory called fuse. This can be done only once. Therefore it is not possible to be locked again. But it is possible to ruin the the fuse if you do something wrong and you lose forever possibility to unlock.
Well I was on leak v20a and unlock it and flashed cwm, then i flashed Official v20a .dz with lgflashtool and bootloader got locked again. I needed to unlock it again. You can try that.
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Well I was on leak v20a and unlock it and flashed cwm, then i flashed Official v20a .dz with lgflashtool and bootloader got locked again. I needed to unlock it again. You can try that.
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I flashed between 20a leak , official 20a and 20b, and not once i had my bootloader relock by itself
With lgflashtool or kdz? Well I dont have any proof of it becouse I didnt expected it would happen. Anyway I flashed with LGflashtool without battery and sim and with 910kohm cable.
Edit: this will clear all your data and format internal sd
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With lgflashtool or kdz? Well I dont have any proof of it becouse I didnt expected it would happen. Anyway I flashed with LGflashtool without battery and sim and with 910kohm cable.
Edit: this will clear all your data and format internal sd
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Iodak !!!???? Do you have P880 ???
Will you make kernels ?? Maybe solve the overheat problem ..
You are very very welcome here
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With lgflashtool or kdz? Well I dont have any proof of it becouse I didnt expected it would happen. Anyway I flashed with LGflashtool without battery and sim and with 910kohm cable.
Edit: this will clear all your data and format internal sd
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i flashed atleast once with lgflashtool (screwed something up after deleting some bloatware + installing wrong unsecure img or something, all in all i couldnt enter S/W at all), and several times with kdz (between 20a leak and other 20x's).
and all troughout this bootloader stayed unlocked (i am on eur-xxx, so i unlocked my bootloader the day the method was found, if i recall correctly)
It may be an isolated case. You never know with LG But i am sure it was locked again, even flashed cwm thinging it stayed unlocked then gave me security error when I tried to boot recovery. So i unlock it again. Mine is also eur-xxx.
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iodak said:
It may be an isolated case. You never know with LG But i am sure it was locked again, even flashed cwm thinging it stayed unlocked then gave me security error when I tried to boot recovery. Mine is also eur-xxx.
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Bootloader can't be relocked. When you flash kdz with all usual methods available for p880 you also flash secured bootloader and system recovery too. So you must flash these two again from adb every time you flash new kdz. Security error may appear if you don't flash unsecured BL before CWM.
Any way regarding warranty I don't think that LG service will bother to check bootloader state if device is bricked or something.
It can be relocked since mine was in fact relocked. It just that we need to find way. Unsecure boot.img has nothing to do with unlocking bootloader or properly running recovery. It just give you root access from adb. It is property in ramdisk in default.prop ro.secure=0. And they will sure check bootloader unlock status, they even developed Windows app for root checking.
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It can be relocked since mine was in fact relocked. It just that we need to find way. Unsecure boot.img has nothing to do with unlocking bootloader or properly running recovery. It just give you root access from adb. It is property in ramdisk in default.prop ro.secure=0. And they will sure check bootloader unlock status, they even developed Windows app for root checking.
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I'm saying that secured bootloader won't load unsigned recovery. So maybe thats reason why you got security error. Anyway if you think unlocking is reversible maybe its best way to ask LG. Their FOSS section replied for unlocking process, maybe they answer you.
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Any way regarding warranty I don't think that LG service will bother to check bootloader state if device is bricked or something.
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If the device is bricked, they'll need to find the problem before they solve it. They'll surely run diagnostics on it, and a phone diagnostic tool that doesn't diagnose something as basic as "has someone been messing with the bootloader?" isn't that good of a diagnostic tool at all..
So yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll check it. And even if I weren't, some LG support centers (the portuguese one being one of them) have mentioned that unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty, and the warranty itself mentions it (by saying any change to the provided hardware and software, which the bootloader is a part of, will void the warranty). So, at the very least, we should leave it as a warning to the community that their warranty might be voided when unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting their phone.
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If the device is bricked, they'll need to find the problem before they solve it. They'll surely run diagnostics on it, and a phone diagnostic tool that doesn't diagnose something as basic as "has someone been messing with the bootloader?" isn't that good of a diagnostic tool at all..
So yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll check it. And even if I weren't, some LG support centers (the portuguese one being one of them) have mentioned that unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty, and the warranty itself mentions it (by saying any change to the provided hardware and software, which the bootloader is a part of, will void the warranty). So, at the very least, we should leave it as a warning to the community that their warranty might be voided when unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting their phone.
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My point is that it is useless to try relock your phone.
I agree with you completely in everything you said about warranty. I think there should be warning about warranty. Also there still no need to unlock while we waiting for custom rom (CM).
Anyway I'm more than year on this forum and I never saw someone refused by LG service because their device is modded somehow.
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If the device is bricked, they'll need to find the problem before they solve it. They'll surely run diagnostics on it, and a phone diagnostic tool that doesn't diagnose something as basic as "has someone been messing with the bootloader?" isn't that good of a diagnostic tool at all..
So yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll check it. And even if I weren't, some LG support centers (the portuguese one being one of them) have mentioned that unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty, and the warranty itself mentions it (by saying any change to the provided hardware and software, which the bootloader is a part of, will void the warranty). So, at the very least, we should leave it as a warning to the community that their warranty might be voided when unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting their phone.
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from searching internet about someone bricked his phone with erase bootloader command i found 2 cases on Asus nexus 7 that they got replacement after they erased their bootloader - of course they didn't mention it lol
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from searching internet about someone bricked his phone with erase bootloader command i found 2 cases on Asus nexus 7 that they got replacement after they erased their bootloader - of course they didn't mention it lol
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Yes, but Asus's policy wherever that person bought the Nexus 7 might be different that the policy for LG in our respective countries...
I borrow some text from a blog :
This is a joint blog post written together with Carlo Piana with the goal to disband some popular FUD that you lose your warranty if you flash or root your device.
Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer?
In short:
No.Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union.
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It clearly states that not only rooting but also flashing your device with a custom rom , can't be held responsible for the defect at a device.
A friend of mine had a faulty screen on his galaxy nexus and gave his device rooted , of course the store who sold the phone refused to repair it , but after being aware of this directive and to avoid further legal actions from the buyer's side, they agreed to repair the phone at no cost.
I relate this case to the thread for the guarantee part since an unlocked bootloader is needed to flash custom stuff to it and is part of the software imho.
This is the source text.
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-a...t-void-the-warranty-in-eu#footnote-link-255-1
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I borrow some text from a blog :
It clearly states that not only rooting but also flashing your device with a custom rom , can't be held responsible for the defect at a device.
A friend of mine had a faulty screen on his galaxy nexus and gave his device rooted , of course the store who sold the phone refused to repair it , but after being aware of this directive and to avoid further legal actions from the buyer's side, they agreed to repair the phone at no cost.
I relate this case to the thread for the guarantee part since an unlocked bootloader is needed to flash custom stuff to it and is part of the software imho.
This is the source text.
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-a...t-void-the-warranty-in-eu#footnote-link-255-1
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It's nice to know that directive. People speak of them having to fulfill the warranty if the root/unlocking isn't directly linked to the problem, but this gives us something to use in case they don't do it voluntarily.
Although, keep in mind that any problem you cause due to your rooting (e.g. deleting system files, freezing the wrong apps, etc.) or bootloader-unlocking (e.g. deleting your bootloader, incorrectly installing a ROM/kernel, etc.) will probably not be covered by warranty, as it was your action that caused the error.
As per the title say, is it possible to unlock the bootloader without obtaining the unlocking key from sony? is it a software or hardware difficulty? thanks
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As per the title say, is it possible to unlock the bootloader without obtaining the unlocking key from sony? is it a software or hardware difficulty? thanks
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Why not get the key? It won't make any difference if you get the key or you unlock the BL without the key. Once you unlock the BL you will lose the DRM keys and BE2. Sony will be able to tell you unlocked the BL even if they don't have a record of you obtaining the unlock key.
Should've also posted this in the Q&A thread.
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Why not get the key? It won't make any difference if you get the key or you unlock the BL without the key. Once you unlock the BL you will lose the DRM keys and BE2. Sony will be able to tell you unlocked the BL even if they don't have a record of you obtaining the unlock key.
Should've also posted this in the Q&A thread.
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i see, so no way of leaving no traces that we have unlocked the bootloader before? i thought that they won't be able to know it if we didn't obtain the key from them
my main concern is the warranty, especially i've extended my warranty for an extra 2 years
p.s. can the mod please move it to the Q&A thread please? thanks
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i see, so no way of leaving no traces that we have unlocked the bootloader before? i thought that they won't be able to know it if we didn't obtain the key from them
my main concern is the warranty, especially i've extended my warranty for an extra 2 years
p.s. can the mod please move it to the Q&A thread please? thanks
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There's no way to hide it. Even if you manage to unlock the bootloader without the keys not having the DRM keys and BE2 is the proof that the BL was unlocked. Relocking it won't get the DRM keys back, they are gone for good.
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i see, so no way of leaving no traces that we have unlocked the bootloader before? i thought that they won't be able to know it if we didn't obtain the key from them
my main concern is the warranty, especially i've extended my warranty for an extra 2 years
p.s. can the mod please move it to the Q&A thread please? thanks
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Don't worry... They will not check for missing/present DRM keys, etc. So long as you flash to a stock ROM before sending it in, they will not even bother checking for unlocked bootloader.
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Don't worry... They will not check for missing/present DRM keys, etc. So long as you flash to a stock ROM before sending it in, they will not even bother checking for unlocked bootloader.
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can someone please confirm the above statement for me?
the only reason i haven't unlocked my BL is the fear from voiding my warranty in case of something goes bad... (SOD etc.)
Some very recent and very interesting articles:
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...nlocking-for-the-atrix-hd-razr-hd-and-razr-m/
http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
Edit: Yeah this is Motorola, but at least you get the idea what stuff is going on..
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can someone please confirm the above statement for me?
the only reason i haven't unlocked my BL is the fear from voiding my warranty in case of something goes bad... (SOD etc.)
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You should read this
http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com
They say, unlocking may void your warranty.
So their is a chance you can unlock without voiding it.
Just make sure you read there terms carefully before unlocking
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Don't worry... They will not check for missing/present DRM keys, etc. So long as you flash to a stock ROM before sending it in, they will not even bother checking for unlocked bootloader.
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You cannot be 100% sure about that. They MAY still check for DRM keys.
abd_alazeez2002 said:
You should read this
http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com
They say, unlocking may void your warranty.
So their is a chance you can unlock without voiding it.
Just make sure you read there terms carefully before unlocking
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Yes but there's always a chance of voiding it. A chance that if the OP wants to take.
thanks guys for the feedback, will take it into consideration of the risk involved before i unlock my bootloader
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You cannot be 100% sure about that. They MAY still check for DRM keys.
Yes but there's always a chance of voiding it. A chance that if the OP wants to take.
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o.k, so it's not a 100% safe I see.
is there any method (maybe in the future) of unlocking BL without loosing those keys?
afaik, since those keys are software-based and not hard-coded such as IMEI, perhaps there is a way to back them up to PC/SDCARD and 'regenerate' them once the unlocking process has finished?
I don't care of doing some research myself and share my conclusions here, can someone please provide a method of listing those DRM keys as a start point? I mean, SONY must has a way of regenerate those keys on unlocked BL devices if they want to, right?
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o.k, so it's not a 100% safe I see.
is there any method (maybe in the future) of unlocking BL without loosing those keys?
afaik, since those keys are software-based and not hard-coded such as IMEI, perhaps there is a way to back them up to PC/SDCARD and 'regenerate' them once the unlocking process has finished?
I don't care of doing some research myself and share my conclusions here, can someone please provide a method of listing those DRM keys as a start point? I mean, SONY must has a way of regenerate those keys on unlocked BL devices if they want to, right?
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At this stage no one has found a way to get the DRM keys back. Sony could get the keys back but they won't fix the device under warranty. My guess is that it's embedded in the BL somehow. And unlocking it somehow the keys are deleted. It could be specific keys as well (not 100% sure) for each device.
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At this stage no one has found a way to get the DRM keys back. Sony could get the keys back but they won't fix the device under warranty. My guess is that it's embedded in the BL somehow. And unlocking it somehow the keys are deleted. It could be specific keys as well (not 100% sure) for each device.
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When you meant they wont fix the device under warantee.. That be after the DRM keys are redone and took as the repair is final. Or when sending it in for DRM recovery is also chargeable?
Go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41763438 Backup TA partition and unlock bootloader. If you want DRM keys back, restore TA. This will also relock bootloader. It will appear as if bootloader was never unlocked.
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Hello there, I was just wondering if anyone returned their Asus Rog Phone 2 for repair or simply returned it after relocking the bootloader.
On XDA there is a great guide on locking the bootloader here https://forum.xda-developers.com/rog-phone-2/how-to/guide-convert-cn-to-ww-rom-26-08-t3961042http://
So would be interesting to see if locking the bootloader is all we need to peacefully rma the phone or does asus have some other sneaky peaky something going on to detect if we ever rooted.
I am perfectly happy with my phone its just some people on my youtube channel were asking if its safe to return after relocking I just said I haven't heard of anyone doing so, so not 100% sure.
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Hello there, I was just wondering if anyone returned their Asus Rog Phone 2 for repair or simply returned it after relocking the bootloader.
On XDA there is a great guide on locking the bootloader here https://forum.xda-developers.com/rog-phone-2/how-to/guide-convert-cn-to-ww-rom-26-08-t3961042http://
So would be interesting to see if locking the bootloader is all we need to peacefully rma the phone or does asus have some other sneaky peaky something going on to detect if we ever rooted.
I am perfectly happy with my phone its just some people on my youtube channel were asking if its safe to return after relocking I just said I haven't heard of anyone doing so, so not 100% sure.
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Most Android devices have a record in system chip. Once bootloader has been unlocked it will change status from 0 to 1 and even if you relock the device it will still stay as 1. Since you triggered the log thingy. So Asus techs will still be able to find out that bootloader has been touched. For example on Samsung devices they use something called a KNOX chip and when you unlock bootloader on a Samsung S9 or s10 the Knox chip will break and no longer work and status will say that Knox chip has been triggered with 0 to 1. That's how Samsung finds out if you have unlocked your bootloader on their devices. So Asus have probably a way aswell on their end.
You can return the device for repair but repair service will reject warranty repair and will put a price how much it will cost you to repair the device. Since they will see bootloader has been touched. So then warranty is voided.
I returned my 1st one because of no volte. Bl was unlocked, relocked using asus's app before the tool here was available. No issues, got a full refund.
I doubt they wouldn't repair it under warranty, unless it was actually caused by a bad flash, or something.
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I returned my 1st one because of no volte. Bl was unlocked, relocked using asus's app before the tool here was available. No issues, got a full refund.
I doubt they wouldn't repair it under warranty, unless it was actually caused by a bad flash, or something.
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What Asus app did you use to relock the bootloader? I thought the only way to relock is to use a fastboot command. Asus has an apk for unlocking the phone, haven't heard of one for relocking.
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What Asus app did you use to relock the bootloader? I thought the only way to relock is to use a fastboot command. Asus has an apk for unlocking the phone, haven't heard of one for relocking.
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Sorry, i used app to unlock, and used fastboot to lock
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Sorry, i used app to unlock, and used fastboot to lock
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Ah OK no worries. At least now we know that people can safely return or repair their phones if they relocked the bootloader properly. Thanks for responding.
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Ah OK no worries. At least now we know that people can safely return or repair their phones if they relocked the bootloader properly. Thanks for responding.
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Afaik in EU they cant refuse repairing faulty hardware because you tried a software mod.
Since ASUS voids warrenty for their phone if the bootloader has been unlocked, I wonder if the bootloader is re-locked, whether the warranty comes back or at least they cannot notice it.
When you unlock BL (once) their app send info about this to ASUS and your phone will permanently banned for OTA-updates. Also it will void warranty (same app send info to ASUS) and it's void even if you relock BL back.
You can relock BL but there is no sense to do it.
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When you unlock BL (once) their app send info about this to ASUS and your phone will permanently banned for OTA-updates. Also it will void warranty (same app send info to ASUS) and it's void even if you relock BL back.
You can relock BL but there is no sense to do it.
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Does the invalidation of warranty exclude payed services too, like for changing broken exterior or screen?
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Does the invalidation of warranty exclude payed services too, like for changing broken exterior or screen?
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What do you mean? Of course if you want to replace something in your phone - you can ask about it official service center, but you'll have to pay for it)
If your main board die, and you have unlocked BL - you can replace it on paid basis.
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What do you mean? Of course if you want to replace something in your phone - you can ask about it official service center, but you'll have to pay for it)
If your main board die, and you have unlocked BL - you can replace it on paid basis.
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I mean some cases they don’t even allow paid services too…
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I mean some cases they don’t even allow paid services too…
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I don't know. But I guess on paid basis you can get same bunch of services that users with valid warranty have.
I just bought this phone. It's actually quite nice and better than I expected. Paid 475€ for it brand new in a store here in Italy. I'm coming from the good old XZ1 Compact, aka the best phone ever made. This seems to be a big (too big, tfw no phone under 5.5) improvement over it.
That being said, I was wondering how does Asus react to their phones being unlocked. I come from Sony which does not like unlocking, in fact on the XZ1 and XZ2, unlocking was permanent and you lost drm keys and stock features fOrEveR. How is it on this one? Does it void the warranty forever? Do you lose stock features after unlocking? Can you relock the bootloader and go back to full stock eventually?
I googled and searched all over but I find conflicting and contraddicting informations about this, on top of the usual ****ty websites with ai generated copypaste guides.
Thanks in advance.
MarkMRL said:
I just bought this phone. It's actually quite nice and better than I expected. Paid 475€ for it brand new in a store here in Italy. I'm coming from the good old XZ1 Compact, aka the best phone ever made. This seems to be a big (too big, tfw no phone under 5.5) improvement over it.
That being said, I was wondering how does Asus react to their phones being unlocked. I come from Sony which does not like unlocking, in fact on the XZ1 and XZ2, unlocking was permanent and you lost drm keys and stock features fOrEveR. How is it on this one? Does it void the warranty forever? Do you lose stock features after unlocking? Can you relock the bootloader and go back to full stock eventually?
I googled and searched all over but I find conflicting and contraddicting informations about this, on top of the usual ****ty websites with ai generated copypaste guides.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi
see the readme from the ASUS Unlock tool from here https://www.asus.com/de/Mobile/Phones/ZenFone/Zenfone-8/HelpDesk_Download/
Unlock Device App
NOTICE:
Before you download, install, and use the Unlock Device App (“Service”), you understand that you need to take all risks in terms of quality and performance of the Service, including but not limited to: once you trigger the Service, you’re not able to recover your ASUS products to the original status at the time of manufacturing (“Original Product”) anymore. Original Products which is used with the Service (“Changed Product”) will no longer be regarded as the Original Products. The software updates will not be available to the Changed Product, and the digital content in the Changed Product may no longer be used. In addition, the software and hardware problems of your ASUS product caused by using the Service may not apply to your ASUS Warranty Information, please read ASUS Warranty Information of your ASUS product carefully on ASUS official website.(https://bacchus.asus.com/support/Article/1060/)
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>> Does it void the warranty forever?
I think so
>>Do you lose stock features after unlocking?
I did not find anything that did not work anymore after unlocking (but I tested only the functionality that is important for me ....)
>>Can you relock the bootloader and go back to full stock eventually?
I don't know if you can relock the phone but I doubt it.
You can reinstall the Original ASUS Firmware and it still works like before. You can also install the updates for the original OS manually (I did not test if OTA still works)
regards
Bernd
MarkMRL said:
I just bought this phone. It's actually quite nice and better than I expected. Paid 475€ for it brand new in a store here in Italy. I'm coming from the good old XZ1 Compact, aka the best phone ever made. This seems to be a big (too big, tfw no phone under 5.5) improvement over it.
That being said, I was wondering how does Asus react to their phones being unlocked. I come from Sony which does not like unlocking, in fact on the XZ1 and XZ2, unlocking was permanent and you lost drm keys and stock features fOrEveR. How is it on this one? Does it void the warranty forever? Do you lose stock features after unlocking? Can you relock the bootloader and go back to full stock eventually?
I googled and searched all over but I find conflicting and contraddicting informations about this, on top of the usual ****ty websites with ai generated copypaste guides.
Thanks in advance.
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To add to bnsmb's response,
When the phone is unlocked, some apps will not work, like google pay for example, but the bootloader can be relocked with one fastboot command and you will get all features back (except OTA updates from the settings, you will have to update manually)
(It is not recommended to relock the bootloader when not on the Stock Asus ROM)
To relock, simply type these two commands
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot oem asus-csc_lk
reboot
The phone will prompt you to do a factory reset when booting
Adaoh said:
To add to bnsmb's response,
When the phone is unlocked, some apps will not work, like google pay for example, but the bootloader can be relocked with one fastboot command and you will get all features back (except OTA updates from the settings, you will have to update manually)
(It is not recommended to relock the bootloader when not on the Stock Asus ROM)
To relock, simply type these two commands
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot oem asus-csc_lk
reboot
The phone will prompt you to do a factory reset when booting
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Hi
>>To relock, simply type these two commands
Good to know that but before I test it:
The phone can be unlocked again after the relock?
regards
Bernd
bnsmb said:
Hi
>>To relock, simply type these two commands
Good to know that but before I test it:
The phone can be unlocked again after the relock?
regards
Bernd
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Yes, I have tried it once, but some people reported it does not work depending on the version, I tried on Android 12 and it worked the first time (and on android 11 but that was the first unlock a while ago)
Thank you for the info! I can't find the official manual or faq though, even from the link bnsmb provided :\
That's why I asked here in the first place. From what I can tell after looking through this info, they will know you have unlocked from the imei, considering their unlock tool talks to the mothership before doing the deed. It is still unclear if they will respect the warranty period even after unlocking. I don't care about asking them for support on an unlocked phone, I just want to make sure it will get repaired or replaced for free (in terms of money and hassle) if I get a defect down the line that is unrelated to the unlock, such as a hardwre failure or assembly defect.
Anyway, it seems the only way to shed light on this mystery is to ask Asus themselves. I will report back as soon as they respond to my questions.
Warranty with unlocked bootloader
The warning text of the unlock app links you to the Warranty Policy for ASUS Phones, where the relevant part reads:
6. Exclusions from this limited Warranty Service
[...]
(m) Unusability or damage to hardware of the product caused by installing and using any kind of the Unlock Device App, which is a utility that will unlock your product’s boot loader but will render the warranty null and void.
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So yes as is usual, they will try to use "you having unlocked your bootloader" as an excuse to not repair their broken phones under warranty.
But, depending on your local consumer protection laws, there is a good chance this is actually illegal. In the EU for example, during the 2 years of required warranty THEY have to prove YOU that the defect was ACTUALLY CAUSED by you messing with the phone's software - which generally speaking they can't because it wasn't.
If you haven't seen it i recommend this thread for some details of people who have actually been in that situation - from what i saw after a quick glance through, 3 out of 3 people there got their unlocked&rooted phones replaced under warranty in the end, even it it took some effort to convince the support...
sirozan said:
If you haven't seen it i recommend this thread for some details of people who have actually been in that situation - from what i saw after a quick glance through, 3 out of 3 people there got their unlocked&rooted phones replaced under warranty in the end, even it it took some effort to convince the support...
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The linked thread does tell that one person was successful with the ASUS support, "all other" unfortunately not, see e.g. post #6.
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The linked thread does tell that one person was successful with the ASUS support, "all other" unfortunately not, see e.g. post #6.
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Reading posts #31 and #38 i am pretty sure the person from post #6 did not have to play in the end as well. I also can't see anyone else in there who reported they tried to get unlocked phone replaced and didn't
Ups my fault, I have not seen the posts after #20 ... So it seems the warranty (given by law) is not void but the guarantee is (given by the company).
Anyway, in the meantime, Asus replied to me saying that if you unlock you lose your entire warranty no matter what. I reiterated, asking if I will also lose my right to a free repair for issues totally unrelated to the unlock, and they said yes, you will lose every right to repair.
So that is the official stance!
Too bad, I'm still in the return period so I might just get rid of it and hunt for a Pixel 5. Kind of sad though, the phone performed pretty well for me so far. But I need muh root and eventually LineageOS...