My Moto X is rooted, but other than that, it's pretty much stock. I'm aware of how to flash back to stock using RSD Lite and Jcase's new root method, but my question is: Do I have to do all of that?
Can't I simply use Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper to temp unroot and then take the 4.4 OTA? I am not running a custom recovery.
Has anyone tried this?
greyhulk said:
My Moto X is rooted, but other than that, it's pretty much stock. I'm aware of how to flash back to stock using RSD Lite and Jcase's new root method, but my question is: Do I have to do all of that?
Can't I simply use Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper to temp unroot and then take the 4.4 OTA? I am not running a custom recovery.
Has anyone tried this?
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Try and guarantee it will result in bootloops, obviously you are using one of jcases root methods which hijacks the stock recovery
Unfortunately there is no easy way around it afraik.
Just rsdlite back to stock, except the ota and root with jcases new slapmymoto.
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flashallthetime said:
Try and guarantee it will result in bootloops, obviously you are using one of jcases root methods which hijacks the stock recovery
Unfortunately there is no easy way around it afraik.
Just rsdlite back to stock, except the ota and root with jcases new slapmymoto.
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I forgot about the bootloader. I thought part of the root process was restoring it. What a shame. Thanks!
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I forgot about the bootloader. I thought part of the root process was restoring it. What a shame. Thanks!
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No easy way, no cutting corners either
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I know from previous phones if I rooted and installed a custom recovery that I wouldn't be able to take an OTA update.
Would still I be able to receive a new OTA update (say 4.4.2) if my Moto X (4.4) is Rooted without write protection?
JJHunterx said:
I know from previous phones if I rooted and installed a custom recovery that I wouldn't be able to take an OTA update.
Would still I be able to receive a new OTA update (say 4.4.2) if my Moto X (4.4) is Rooted without write protection?
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I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to install the OTA with a custom recovery.
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With the new root method (wp off) you keep the stock recovery. The only real way to know is too try. I guess its feasible..... But I've seen rooted devices boot loop in OTA's too....time will tell!
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
matt99017d said:
With the new root method (wp off) you keep the stock recovery. The only real way to know is too try. I guess its feasible..... But I've seen rooted devices boot loop in OTA's too....time will tell!
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
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it is not something i would do when the next OTA comes out i would revert to stock and take the OTA or i would wait for a root and go from there. i do know for a fact with a custom recovery if you take a OTA your device will bootloop. with WP off i am not sure what would happen but again i would not recommend trying because it could case some major issues.
Moto X DE rooted. VZW native tether hack. Replaced the "warning unlocked bootloader" message. The rest is stock. Is the 4.4.2 update worth it? I don't see anything that appears to be much different from 4.4
I have a Dev X and pretty much in the same boat as you.... Unlocked, Rooted, changed logo.bin, but I'm using Wifi Tether for root app rather than the entitlement apk hack.
I took the OTA when it hit my phone. I can't say that I notice anything really different after the upgrade. No negative impacts at least.
It was easy to take because I was basically stock... just flash stock recovery back on, and take the OTA. Since it sounds like you did the entitlement apk replacement, you'd need to undo that.
I didn't lose root, and write protection stayed disabled (due to unlocked bootloader). So I just had to reflash my custom logo.bin, and I haven't put custom recovery back on, I don't need to right now. Only issue would be, if I do find a bug that wasn't there in 4.4, I can't downgrade now due to the bootloader update.
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I have a Dev X and pretty much in the same boat as you.... Unlocked, Rooted, changed logo.bin, but I'm using Wifi Tether for root app rather than the entitlement apk hack.
I took the OTA when it hit my phone. I can't say that I notice anything really different after the upgrade. No negative impacts at least.
It was easy to take because I was basically stock... just flash stock recovery back on, and take the OTA. Since it sounds like you did the entitlement apk replacement, you'd need to undo that.
I didn't lose root, and write protection stayed disabled (due to unlocked bootloader). So I just had to reflash my custom logo.bin, and I haven't put custom recovery back on, I don't need to right now. Only issue would be, if I do find a bug that wasn't there in 4.4, I can downgrade now due to the bootloader update.
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You don't have root unless you put the custom recovery back on there.
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KidJoe said:
Only issue would be, if I do find a bug that wasn't there in 4.4, I can downgrade now due to the bootloader update.
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Not to nag, but probably important to correct... you CAN'T downgrade now.
Updated last night. I did it cause I wanted to be on latest and greatest, plus I think the camera does take better low-light pictures now.
Schaweet said:
You don't have root unless you put the custom recovery back on there.
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No, you'll keep root after taking the update. You do not need to reinstall TWRP to have root. Root is root, a recovery is a recovery. If you lost root, you'd need to install a recovery that allows you to install root, but you don't lose root from taking the OTA.
cw18306 said:
Moto X DE rooted. VZW native tether hack. Replaced the "warning unlocked bootloader" message. The rest is stock. Is the 4.4.2 update worth it? I don't see anything that appears to be much different from 4.4
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Not much different, you can always update everything but motoboot and gpt so you can still downgrade if you don't like...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/xt1060-164-55-2-unofficial-fxz-unlocked-t2659682
FWIW, The only things I notice are that USB OTG works in 4.4.2 and static in bluetooth headphones when using wifi is gone.
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You don't have root unless you put the custom recovery back on there.
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I beg to differ. Root Explore, Greenify, Wifi Tether for Root... all work, as do going into system and renaming files, and downloading/installing the hosts file in AdAway from BigTinCan.com (which survive power off/on, so helps to tell me write protection is still disabled).
On an unlocked bootloader, once you have rooted, you can use whatever recovery you like.
Now, for LOCKED bootloader on the X which are rooted via RockMyMoto or SlapMyMoto without using MotoWPNoMo, you might need to keep that "recovery trick" in place so you can boot with write protect disabled. In that case you would loose the ability to boot with write protect disabled (which makes root useless) when you put stock recovery back on, but that is different and doesn't "unroot" you.
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Not to nag, but probably important to correct... you CAN'T downgrade now.
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You are right. that is a Typo that I need to fix!!!
cw18306 said:
Moto X DE rooted. VZW native tether hack. Replaced the "warning unlocked bootloader" message. The rest is stock. Is the 4.4.2 update worth it? I don't see anything that appears to be much different from 4.4
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It took me about an hour to do the update because I am a novice and had to do a bunch of stuff first but I did it and my phone is back to its current state...except now I am using the xposed wifi tether instead of the hack (And the xposed one is better). So it was worth it just to have the latest and get rid of that wifi mod that i never liked to begin with. Apparently the upate makes battery life better but my battery life was already awesome considering I came from Gnex. So I guess the question is why not update? If you know what you are doing it shouldnt take 5-10 minutes.
from what people are saying it seems 4.4.2 makes a huge difference for battery life, i don't have it yet on my xt1058 so i can't say for sure...
Yeah I really only root for the tether hack and tibackup. Both of which I've used less and less since I got this phone. I've never had any issues with the phone and battery life is awesome so I'll probably just wait for some more feedback on the update before I go through the hassle of doing it.
How do you get rid of the unlocked bootloader message? Just flashing logo.bin?
jawest12 said:
How do you get right of the unlocked bootloader message? Just flashing logo.bin?
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Yes replacing logo.bin. the logo.bin's I made for 4.4 work on 4.4.2 too.
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If you are rooted and locked on 4.4 using SlapMyMoto and MotoWPNoMo, can you downgrade to 4.2.2 and use PwnMyMoto then RockMyMoto then SlapMyMoto 0.5c to get the "recovery trick" back? Or is the ability to do that gone once you have used MotoWPNoMo?
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I am not sure since I have a Dev Edition with an unlocked bootloader, so I never used them... only read about them.
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Yes replacing logo.bin. the logo.bin's I made for 4.4 work on 4.4.2 too.
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I am not sure since I have a Dev Edition with an unlocked bootloader, so I never used them... only read about them.
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Thank you for the response. Where can I download your logo.bin to flash?
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No, you'll keep root after taking the update. You do not need to reinstall TWRP to have root. Root is root, a recovery is a recovery. If you lost root, you'd need to install a recovery that allows you to install root, but you don't lose root from taking the OTA.
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For a n00b,,,,,English please?!
jawest12 said:
Thank you for the response. Where can I download your logo.bin to flash?
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See the "edit" section of Post #150 in this thread -> Moto X Boot Logos The post also has info how they were made and a link to a zip that contains a little more than 25 LOGO.BIN files, and matching BMP's so you can see what they look like first (or use to flash clogo if you have never unlocked your bootloader). they do include the 0-3% battery indication too.
I'm using Logo-prettydev2.png.bin included in the zip file.
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For a n00b,,,,,English please?!
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Moto X Developer Edition only....as this thread title states a DE model.
The OTA doesn't remove ROOT. You need the stock recovery to install the OTA so you have to flash the stock recovery.img back to the phone to install the OTA. Once the OTA is done.....you do NOT need to install TWRP or any other recovery to have root. You never lost root.
All of this is assuming you had previously installed TWRP to root a Moto X Developer Edition (DE) and want the OTA to 4.4.2.
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Moto X Developer Edition only....as this thread title states a DE model.
The OTA doesn't remove ROOT. You need the stock recovery to install the OTA so you have to flash the stock recovery.img back to the phone to install the OTA. Once the OTA is done.....you do NOT need to install TWRP or any other recovery to have root. You never lost root.
All of this is assuming you had previously installed TWRP to root a Moto X Developer Edition (DE) and want the OTA to 4.4.2.
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Also for noobs, how do I flash the stock recovery?
Also, does flashing stock recovery erase any data? (Like messages/pictures/etc..? If not, what actions actually erase this data... I feel like I never know)
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Also, does flashing stock recovery erase any data? (Like messages/pictures/etc..? If not, what actions actually erase this data... I feel like I never know)
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No. Flashing Recovery does NOT erase data. Using RSDLite to flash an entire SBF/XML file (without editing it) will erase data.. or giving the following command via PC with your phone in fastboot mode will erase data... mfastboot erase data
KidJoe said:
I have a Dev X and pretty much in the same boat as you.... Unlocked, Rooted, changed logo.bin, but I'm using Wifi Tether for root app rather than the entitlement apk hack.
It was easy to take because I was basically stock... just flash stock recovery back on, and take the OTA. Since it sounds like you did the entitlement apk replacement, you'd need to undo that.
How do I undo the entitlement apk. I tried to reverse it but messed it up.
Not good at that stuff.
Thanks
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I'm running 4.4 on first gen moto x. I am rooted with jcase method (back when it was script only..lol) I have a loss of battery life. I use to be able to run all day and come home with 40ish %.. I've ran a tad over 9 hours today and I'm at 18%. I have had touch screen issues off "center" for example.. If I'm googleing something and I click on first one pops up I may click on the 2nd or 3rd.. I'd I'm on Facebook and I click "like" it at click on the link.. I am thinking of fxzing my phone back to stock and erase it all. But my concern is 1. If it pulls update before I can stop it, is there a root out for it yet? 2nd, I have not had to root my 4.4 is there an easier way now?
Thanks for the help!!
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If you're on 4.4, why not use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader? That way, you don't have to worry about your first or second question.
To answer your questions:
1. It won't and even so, you have to choose to install the update.
2. TowelPieRoot.
I highly suggest you pony up the $25 to unlock your bootloader though.
I'm on Verizon..last I knew it was unlockable..
Edit: OK...nvm done a bit of research...this is awesome.. Only issue I'm having is I try to download sunshine and it basically says its corrupt.
Slapped my Moto
OK another ?. I did the su shine unlock and tried to install CM11 and bootlooped so I had to reinstall stock...trying to do root I remember I need reflash 4.2.2 and use slapmymoto etc to regain root then take 4.4 update... But I don't think its out what if I take 4.4.4 will I still have root?!
I've also seen u can use towlpieroot but once u reboot, u lose it...is there a perm solution?
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If you unlocked your bootloader you just flash twrp and it roots for you. Hopefully you didn't brick by flashing a lower firmware.
You can just use the Verizon fxz in the general section to update to 4.4.4 and then root with twrp. You are unlocked, no exploits or towel pie or slapping. Just root forever
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OK another ?. I did the su shine unlock and tried to install CM11 and bootlooped so I had to reinstall stock...trying to do root I remember I need reflash 4.2.2 and use slapmymoto etc to regain root then take 4.4 update... But I don't think its out what if I take 4.4.4 will I still have root?!
I've also seen u can use towlpieroot but once u reboot, u lose it...is there a perm solution?
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If sunshine properly unlocked your bootloader, you shouldn't have any issues rooting, no matter what ROM you have on your phone.
Once you unlock your bootloader, you do not need to use SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto or the like, nor do you need MotoWpNoMo.
If you get 4.4.2 or higher on your phone do NOT downgrade!!!
PIE and TowelPieRoot only work on 4.4.2, it does not work on 4.4.4. And it is only a temp root, as with a locked bootloader on 4.4.2 and up, you can't disable write protection.
IF you've used Sunshine to unlock your bootloader then, To ROOT Once you unlocked your bootloader, Download the latest TWRP Recovery from -> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/234 (under the Download-Fastboot heading) and the latest SuperSU from -> http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu or the latest CWM / TWRP / MobileODIN installable ZIP from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053 and use them while following the instructions in this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
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If sunshine properly unlocked your bootloader, you shouldn't have any issues rooting, no matter what ROM you have on your phone.
Once you unlock your bootloader, you do not need to use SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto or the like, nor do you need MotoWpNoMo.
If you get 4.4.2 or higher on your phone do NOT downgrade!!!
PIE and TowelPieRoot only work on 4.4.2, it does not work on 4.4.4. And it is only a temp root, as with a locked bootloader on 4.4.2 and up, you can't disable write protection.
IF you've used Sunshine to unlock your bootloader then, To ROOT Once you unlocked your bootloader, Download the latest TWRP Recovery from -> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/234 (under the Download-Fastboot heading) and the latest SuperSU from -> http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu or the latest CWM / TWRP / MobileODIN installable ZIP from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053 and use them while following the instructions in this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
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Deffinatly good to know..but kind of sucks cu now I won't have a nandroid back up..been using safestrap..lol
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Edit: I already ran slapmymoto and m WP is killed long ago (like 4 months ago) so it's done and gone.. I'm thinking of takeing the 4.4.4 but I want root and only temp root is what I found... unless you know of something I don't?
xpsychox said:
Deffinatly good to know..but kind of sucks cu now I won't have a nandroid back up..been using safestrap..lol
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Edit: I already ran slapmymoto and m WP is killed long ago (like 4 months ago) so it's done and gone.. I'm thinking of takeing the 4.4.4 but I want root and only temp root is what I found... unless you know of something I don't?
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You used MotoWPNoMo to disable write protection. If you upgrade to 4.4.2, you'll likely keep root which was provided by SlapMyMoto, but the vulnerability being exploited by MotoWpNoMo was patched, so write protection will be re-enabled.
On 4.4.2 and up, the only way to disable write protection is unlocking the bootloader.
The Vulnerabilities used to gain root via SlapMyMoto on 4.4, and Pie, TowelPieRoot on 4.4.2 are patched in 4.4.4, and there is no root on 4.4.4 unless you unlock the bootloader and flash a custom recovery to root.
That being said. If you have NEVER upgraded to 4.4.4, you could try Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. Its $25, but it checks if your phone is compatible before it charges you. This thread discusses it -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471
And in case you missed the many posts/threads... Once on 4.4.2 or up, DO NOT DOWNGRADE or attempt to downgrade!!!! You will end up with a Brick!! (So this means if you have 4.4.4, you can't downgrade to 4.4.2 or 4.4 to try and use the older exploits/processes.)
that's actually what i did.. lol, thanks though.
Hey all,
I've been receiving notifications for the OTA for a few days now, and I certainly would like to update my Moto X. That being said, OTA fails since I have a rooted device, go figure.
Anyways, my plan of action is to back uo everything, unroot using SuperSU, apply the update (still on stock recovery), and then re-root on the other side.
Has anyone gone about this route yet? Does this all sound like it should work? Also, it's been a while since I've modded my X, so any new rooting methods for 5.1 that people have tried and succeeded with?
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Not only do you need to unroot, you have to undo any modifications you made with root. As long as you can do that the update will work.
If you can't get it back to unmodified, you will have to flash a stock system image.
As far as root, the process is the same for 4.4.4, 5.0, and 5.1. Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you, or flash supersu zip. Very easy.
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As far as root, the process is the same for 4.4.4, 5.0, and 5.1. Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you, or flash supersu zip. Very easy.
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I originally rooted 5.0. To get the OTA I had to unroot and reflash the stock recovery. After that the OTA applied fine.
The main reason I rooted was for Greenify. I'm now unrooted on 5.1 and my battery sucks. I want to think that Greenify actually works so I would like to root 5.1. As mentioned I have rooted before but am still very much a novice. You state "Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you". I think I have saw in the forums that if I boot into twrp it will actually leave the stock recovery? I really don't want to do anything except root so that I can install Greenify again. I want to make as easy as possible to take the next OTA. If booting into twrp will allow this, is there a link to a simple process? There is so much information out there and most of it is dated so it scares me that it might not work on 5.1. Thanks.
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As far as root, the process is the same for 4.4.4, 5.0, and 5.1. Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you, or flash supersu zip. Very easy.
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I originally rooted 5.0. To get the OTA I had to unroot and reflash the stock recovery. After that the OTA applied fine.
The main reason I rooted was for Greenify. I'm now unrooted on 5.1 and my battery sucks. I want to think that Greenify actually works so I would like to root 5.1. As mentioned I have rooted before but am still very much a novice. You state "Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you". I think I have saw in the forums that if I boot into twrp it will actually leave the stock recovery? I really don't want to do anything except root so that I can install Greenify again. I want to make as easy as possible to take the next OTA. If booting into twrp will allow this, is there a link to a simple process? There is so much information out there and most of it is dated so it scares me that it might not work on 5.1. Thanks.
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Yes, if you just boot it, the stock recovery stays on the phone. No need to flash TWRP. Download version 2.8.5.0! The newer versions don't boot, the new ones can only be flashed. With 2.8.5.0 type:
fastboot boot twrpfilenamehere.img
Then you will be in twrp and can root.
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AGISCI said:
Not only do you need to unroot, you have to undo any modifications you made with root. As long as you can do that the update will work.
If you can't get it back to unmodified, you will have to flash a stock system image.
As far as root, the process is the same for 4.4.4, 5.0, and 5.1. Just boot into twrp and let it root it for you, or flash supersu zip. Very easy.
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Sorry about the late reply, thanks! I still have my stock recovery, and have been pretty lazy about installing busy box or xposed or any other fun things. I'll probably muster up the courage this week. After all, I've killed and resurrected this thing once before
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Sorry for such a basic question. I rooted my Moto X quite a while ago. It is still on 4.2.2, the phone asks me to update every day and I just decline it. How can I update it to a newer version without losing root or causing any issues??
Thanks in advance!
You'll have to lose the root first. But may I suggest you explore the option of unlocking your bootloader 1st before updating as you won't be able to unlock it once you do the update to latest firmware.
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treepog said:
Sorry for such a basic question. I rooted my Moto X quite a while ago. It is still on 4.2.2, the phone asks me to update every day and I just decline it. How can I update it to a newer version without losing root or causing any issues??
Thanks in advance!
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Unroot + Update, then Root again...
Thank you both for the replies. Yes, I'd like to unlock bootloader. I don't remember exactly what I used to root since it was a while ago. I believe it was an app. Does it matter? What's the easiest way to unlock bootloader?
How do I unroot since I don't remember exactly how I rooted? Then once I unlock bootloader do I try to get the auto update from Sprint or download the update somewhere?
Thanks again!
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You'll have to lose the root first. But may I suggest you explore the option of unlocking your bootloader 1st before updating as you won't be able to unlock it once you do the update to latest firmware.
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nijom said:
Unroot + Update, then Root again...
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You can unroot by the su app but you don't have to be unrooted to take ota's. Just have stock recovery and your stock ROM. If I were you, I wouldn't update the bootloader, so you can easily go back. Lots of complaints about 5.1. So go unlock the bootloader first with root, flash twrp, and then flash this ROM here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3155843
Then if you don't like stock lollipop, you can go back. Lots of people like 4.4.4. This ROM doesn't update the boot loader
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