This is probably a really stupid/simple question, but how locked down is the AT&T version of the Moto X? I'm interested in jumping to T-Mobile and am off-contract on a MVNO carrier. Would I be able to take a MotoMaker version of the Moto X and unlock/run it on T-Mobile without any issues, if I bought it outright?
terinfire said:
This is probably a really stupid/simple question, but how locked down is the AT&T version of the Moto X? I'm interested in jumping to T-Mobile and am off-contract on a MVNO carrier. Would I be able to take a MotoMaker version of the Moto X and unlock/run it on T-Mobile without any issues, if I bought it outright?
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yes, i am using one from at&t on tmobile and i have no problem so far.
Is it possible to do a moto maker AT&T off contract activate phone on T-Mobile and unlock bootloader?
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Is it possible to do a moto maker AT&T off contract activate phone on T-Mobile and unlock bootloader?
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no because the motomaker edition still can't have its bootloader unlocked.
can moto maker phone (att) ask for unlock code from att?
If you paid for the phone outright they will [should] give you the lock code. Worst case is you can go onto any number of sites and get the code for $10 or less.
The ATT version works fine on TMO as long as you aren't in one of the few remaining areas that hasn't been 're-farmed.' HSPA on AWS is in very limited use now, but markets that still depend on this protocol on this band will not play too nice with an ATT version. Most of TMO coverage though has been re-farmed so that LTE runs on AWS. These areas are fine. If I recall (don't hold me to this) all TMO markets will be re-farmed by the end of the year.
Already ask request but still not have any update from att
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Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.
jgolf said:
Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.
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No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.
There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?
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There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?
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Thanks. Understood that your not confirming but reporting what you've observed. The reason why I would choose T-Mobile and use on AT&T is simply because I want the freedom and flexibility to move between different GSM carriers and their MVNOs just like I am able to do on my Nexus 4.
If the T-Mobile version works on a particular HSPA+ band that the Dev Ed does not, yet has all the other bands that the Dev Ed has, then that would make the T-Mobile phones a better and more flexible phone imo. People who need to root or unlock would feel differently since they have different priorities.
I really want to be able to use T-Mobile since they have the best monthly pricing (especially a family of four) and I love how they have shaken up the market, but T-Mobile indoor building penetration is so poor at my current residence that I really need to go with Straight Talk or Net10 with an AT&T sim, yet if I move or the coverage improves I would switch to T-Mobile.
Does T-Mobile have to giver you a code to get your phone to work on AT&T and its MVNO's?
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No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.
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Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?
I'm planning on ordering up a MotoX here shortly and have been wondering about the DE vs Tmo question too. After a LOT of google searches it seems they are the same phone with the Tmo version supporting extra bands. According to this article there is NO carrier branding or bloatware on the the Tmo version. The article also states that the Tmo Moto X comes sim unlocked with an unlockable bootloader via Motorola's unlock program. Given this, I cant understand why anyone would order the DE and not take advantage of the Motomaker customization.
There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.
As for T-Mobile USA vs Dev edition.. From what I know, they support the same bands and both are SIM Unlocked. While both allow you to unlock their boot loader, doing so on the T-Mobile USA device will void its warranty where as unlocking the boot loader on the Dev Edition does not. That is why some would order the Dev Edition rather than a 32gig T-Mobile version.
As for T-Mobile vs ATT versions...
Two relevant quotes from John Renaldi of Moto here -> https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi
"TMO version will not have all the same LTE banding as the AT&T version. HSPA bands fine though."
"While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17."
later in that discussion, someone else says... "the T-mobile and Dev variants have the same LTE bands (B17/B4/B2), so they'll be equal. On AT&T (in the US), they'll both do just as well as the AT&T variant. Bands 5 and 7 aren't used by these operators in the US." So not having LTE Band 5 & 7 on the T-Mobile US X wont be a factor unless you are traveling to a non-USA country that uses Band 5 or 7 for LTE.
The T-Mobile can unlock the boot loader, where as the ATT variant can't.
Hello
I have almost the same question. I found an article to root the moto G and the moto X (http://www.elandroidelibre.com/2013...buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer) (sorry it's in spanish)...bla bla bla I found the same that I found here but when I read the comments someone logged as "el mostro cortes" said that he flashed the developer edition's GSM factory image to his motoX. That make me think if I can do the same.
I found the radio specs of my carrier here in Colombia:
TIGO
GSM: 1900MHz
UMTS/HSDPA: 1900MHz
After that I look the motoX DEV-E GSM radio specs and find:
Networks:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands:
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands:
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
With this info, can some help me and tell me if can i flash the motoX DEV-E GSM to my phone?
I search in wikipedia and I found that the motoX DEV-E GSM is a X1053 model, and my motoX is a X1058, it's still posible?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!!!:good:
It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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Thanks for clarifying that. 5 &7 are Just useless than in other words.
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Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?
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Yes you can tether, just like stock android.
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It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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I should add, from what I've gleaned from what people are reporting in this thread, is that the
1) T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X, have an HSPA+ band that the AT&T X does not.
2) Therefore, in the US, the T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are fully functional on AT&T's network.
3) But AT&T's X will be lacking some HSPA+ capabilities on T-Mobile's network.
Again, I'm not confirming or asserting any of this as fact, but only trying to summarize as best I can what we have been discussing.
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There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.
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Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
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If you gain any further insight into this between now and Monday please do report back to this thread. I have zero knowledge one way or the other, but this is the first I've heard that there is any branding on T-Mobile X.
Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.
finalarcadia said:
I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.
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This is great news. Thanks a lot mate.
What I'm wondering is why on earth Motorola would give me such informations then. Is it a secret that it comes unlocked? Nevertheless this is profe enough for me. Awesome.
Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.
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Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.
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Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.
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Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.
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I just reread my post and it made no sense to me at all. (The info is still right, don't worry)
I don't know what I was doing when I wrote it. At least you understood it.
I live in Israel (mostly same systems as Europe) and would like to buy a moto X, I can easily get one, but my question is will it work out of the box in Israel (Just put in the SIM and call)?
Does it matter which carrier I bought it from? I understand they all have a place for SIM right?
Republic's moto X cant be used by any other carrier correct? How about Sprint? Is there any unlock process involved? Is that any carrier that makes the unlocking process (if needed) easier?
Please include as much information as possible cause I want to be sure I'll be able to use the phone and know what steps are needed.
Thanks in advance
Brush-N said:
I live in Israel (mostly same systems as Europe) and would like to buy a moto X, I can easily get one, but my question is will it work out of the box in Israel (Just put in the SIM and call)?
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Yes it will work in Israel since it has all required 2G and 3G bands. You can see comparison of different version in the attached file. You should probably get T-mobile version since it is not SIM locked and has an unlockable bootloader.
It's important for you not to buy Sprint a Republic Wireless version 'cause they don't work with GSM carriers.
Any other is compatible with 2G/3G European frequencies. As for LTE I cannot help you as I don't what are the frequencies used by Israelian carriers.
Thank you very much, I found the table really helpful! So basically T-mobile is the best option, while Verison should also be fine. I find Sprint & AT&T ones to be the cheapest on ebay, is there any easy way to SIM unlock them?
What does unlockable bootloader mean? How is it useful?
Lastly to GSM LC, Thanks for clarifying about Republic Wireless. We don't have LTE in Israel yet, but the planned bands are 7 and 3, so I won't get support for them anyway...
1) AT&T version can be unlocked by unlocking services like cellunlocker.net.
2) Unlocked bootloader allows flashing custom ROMs.
3) Regarding LTE bands AT&T version probably supports band 7. It is not mentioned in any official spec/document but several users confirmed its presence in XT1058
I'm also planning to buy a Moto X on cyber monday.. I live in Dubai UAE, usually UK/Euro variants of phones work well here. Should i go for the Developer edition with GSM network or T-Mobile off contract version? I would prefer to buy the T-Mobile or AT n T version as i can customize it unlike the developer edition. Any help would be great Thanks.
Guys, is Verizon Moto X like D4 in terms of global unlocked capability?
I bought a D4 last year and using it on GSM without any problem. Anybody can help me?
Hi there!
I am looking to get a Moto X to be used with any GSM carrier in the US and Europe.
(I don't want to root it)
Do I need to buy the Developer Edition or can I also get the No-Contract T-Mobile one (customizable via motomaker)?
Thanks in advance!
The T-mobile is unlocked and good to go, no need to buy the developer edition.
HwlHwl said:
Hi there!
I am looking to get a Moto X to be used with any GSM carrier in the US and Europe.
(I don't want to root it)
Do I need to buy the Developer Edition or can I also get the No-Contract T-Mobile one (customizable via motomaker)?
Thanks in advance!
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They're the exact same phone x1053, make sure the LTE bands are correct for the carriers you want to use (5 and 7 are x1058 only)
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The T-mobile is unlocked and good to go, no need to buy the developer edition.
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Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
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I can't verify whether it's SIM locked or not but I have one in my hand and the T-Mobile XT1053 does not have any branding on it. There is no logo on it. There are no T-Mo apps on it either.
It's unlocked. Using it with prepaid at&t.
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I'm willing to buy one from eBay
I found a Dev Edition Verizon 32GB
Can I use it directly without any activation or unlocking?
I don't care about 4G/LTE. I only care about 3G and H+
Thanks
GSM DEV ED is working factory unlocked out of the box as is the T mobile version. No activation needed or required. VZW edition is for those on their network not wanting to void warranty by unlocking bootloader.
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mkb_1989 said:
I'm willing to buy one from eBay
I found a Dev Edition Verizon 32GB
Can I use it directly without any activation or unlocking?
I don't care about 4G/LTE. I only care about 3G and H+
Thanks
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I'm pretty certain that the Verizon one will not work overseas. Best bet is to get a T-Mobile or GSM DE. Swappa is the best place for it.
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I'm pretty certain that the Verizon one will not work overseas. Best bet is to get a T-Mobile or GSM DE. Swappa is the best place for it.
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It's my understanding that an unlocked moto-x will work on either CDMA or GSM networks depending on the sim that is put in the phone. There is apparently no hardware difference in the various phones other than 16gb or 32gb. The differences are in the preloading and locking of carrier stuff...and the warranty for developer edition not being voided by unlocking it.
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I'm pretty certain that the Verizon one will not work overseas. Best bet is to get a T-Mobile or GSM DE. Swappa is the best place for it.
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All verizon LTE phones are sim un-locked now (FCC requires this as part of the licensing deal for the 700MHz spectrum). The trick is to find a local carrier that matches the phones radio bands, or to buy a phone from a carrier whos radio bands match your perferred local carriers as closely as possible. The Wikipedia page lists the variants of the Moto X and their radios.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
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All verizon LTE phones are sim un-locked now (FCC requires this as part of the licensing deal for the 700MHz spectrum). The trick is to find a local carrier that matches the phones radio bands, or to buy a phone from a carrier whos radio bands match your perferred local carriers as closely as possible. The Wikipedia page lists the variants of the Moto X and their radios.
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I just returned from a week in Europe with my Verizon Moto X (non-DE). When I landed in Italy, it took about 10 minutes before the phone picked up a local carrier and then everything worked great. In Italy I was roaming on Vodafone, and in Switzerland I was roaming on Swisscom. Data worked great in both places. I didn't try using a local SIM card, but I'm sure there are plenty that would work.