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Will any Moto X other than the Dev Edition work outside USA's networks?

I've been rocking a Droid Razr M for a while, epic phone!
But I've had my eye on the Moto X since I first heard about it... it just is a fantastic phone from all I've been reading and watching.
Problem is... I'm outside the states. I'm an European currently living in Bolivia.
I can easily get a Moto X same way I got my Razr M => Ebay! .. thing is.. will it work?
The Verizon Droid Razr M worked even before I unlocked it's bootloader etc.. will the Moto X ?

It should work no problem as long as you sim-unlock the phone. I'm using an AT&T Moto X in Canada and it works wonders.

Just make sure you get the correct phone either gsm or CDMA, of course it depends on what system carriers have in your particular country. I can verify that all gsm Roms ie T-Mobile and at&t work on my rogers gsm phone
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Just make sure you get the correct phone either gsm or CDMA, of course it depends on what system carriers have in your particular country. I can verify that all gsm Roms ie T-Mobile and at&t work on my rogers gsm phone
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oh thank you!
To be honest until very recently I didn't even knew there was diferent kinds of networks
all I knew was about diferent frequencies used in diferent contries, for example before coming to Bolivia I bought a Galaxy Ace 2 in Portugal, unlocked. To my surprise when I got to Bolivia it didn't work with 3g networks... just crappy slow 2g internet.
So.. at what Moto X's should I look at? I have no idea which companies use GSM or CDMA. Here in Bolivia it's GSM. (I'm 99% sure, as I had to GSM fix the rom's I installed on my Razr M.. Sorry for still being such a newbie, this is all pretty new to me)

SrPintas said:
...To be honest until very recently I didn't even knew there was diferent kinds of networks
all I knew was about diferent frequencies used in diferent contries, for example before coming to Bolivia I bought a Galaxy Ace 2 in Portugal, unlocked. To my surprise when I got to Bolivia it didn't work with 3g networks... just crappy slow 2g internet.
So.. at what Moto X's should I look at? I have no idea which companies use GSM or CDMA. Here in Bolivia it's GSM. (I'm 99% sure, as I had to GSM fix the rom's I installed on my Razr M.. Sorry for still being such a newbie, this is all pretty new to me)
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Your Droid Razr M was likely a Verizon device (Any with the DROID in their name was due to Verizon licensing "Droid" from Lucas LTD). As such it was CDMA and LTE Band 13 (700MHz range). It also came with quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900) radio for global roaming. Not sure what "GSM FIX" you did, as Moto's web site says it also supports HSPA/UMTS on 850/900/1900/2100MHz.
The X supports the same, but adds support for faster HSPA+ on those same frequencies, and eventually will add LTE band 4 support with a future firmware update.
All Verizon LTE devices are SIM unlocked.
If you only got EDGE with the Razr M, you have a GSM carrier that uses other bands than the Verizon phones support. I'd look for the T-Mobile version of the X, or even the ATT over the Verizon version. From what I understand you can unlock the boot loader on the T-Mobile version. The ATT has a locked bootloader and is SIM locked too. I think the T-Mobile version is not SIM locked, but I could be wrong.
But without knowing what frequencies your carrier supports, its really hard to say.

KidJoe said:
Your Droid Razr M was likely a Verizon device (Any with the DROID in their name was due to Verizon licensing "Droid" from Lucas LTD). As such it was CDMA and LTE Band 13 (700MHz range). It also came with quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900) radio for global roaming. Not sure what "GSM FIX" you did, as Moto's web site says it also supports HSPA/UMTS on 850/900/1900/2100MHz.
The X supports the same, but adds support for faster HSPA+ on those same frequencies, and eventually will add LTE band 4 support with a future firmware update.
All Verizon LTE devices are SIM unlocked.
If you only got EDGE with the Razr M, you have a GSM carrier that uses other bands than the Verizon phones support. I'd look for the T-Mobile version of the X, or even the ATT over the Verizon version. From what I understand you can unlock the boot loader on the T-Mobile version. The ATT has a locked bootloader and is SIM locked too. I think the T-Mobile version is not SIM locked, but I could be wrong.
But without knowing what frequencies your carrier supports, its really hard to say.
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Sorry I explained myself wrong.
The Razr M worked fine out of the box. I had to do a GSM fix for some of the Roms I installed.
It was with the Ace II that I only had EDGE.
You said something super there! All LTE Verizon phones are SIM unlocked? Is that for sure? so if I get a Moto X from Verizon, it's gonna work here for sure
That's great news!

SrPintas said:
Sorry I explained myself wrong.
The Razr M worked fine out of the box. I had to do a GSM fix for some of the Roms I installed.
It was with the Ace II that I only had EDGE.
You said something super there! All LTE Verizon phones are SIM unlocked? Is that for sure? so if I get a Moto X from Verizon, it's gonna work here for sure
That's great news!
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Yes, their LTE phones are SIM unlocked. Its due to the rules around the 700mhz spectrum they got.
That being said, the latest update to my VZW Samsung Galaxy S4 changed it to that I now have to manually enter the T-Mobile APN settings when I put my T-Mobile USA sim in it. With the MDK and ME7 roms, the came down automatically. I'll have to try the X with the Tmo SIM in it if I get a chance later today to see if its manual or automatic.

KidJoe said:
Yes, their LTE phones are SIM unlocked. Its due to the rules around the 700mhz spectrum they got.
That being said, the latest update to my VZW Samsung Galaxy S4 changed it to that I now have to manually enter the T-Mobile APN settings when I put my T-Mobile USA sim in it. With the MDK and ME7 roms, the came down automatically. I'll have to try the X with the Tmo SIM in it if I get a chance later today to see if its manual or automatic.
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Thank you, that'd be great help!

KidJoe said:
...I'll have to try the X with the Tmo SIM in it if I get a chance later today to see if its manual or automatic.
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Ok, I just tried... first some info... My Moto X is Stock 16gig from Verizon (not rooted, not a dev edition), with the latest OTA update Verizon pushed (that fixes camera). System Version: 139.15.1.ghost_verizon build 13.9.0Q2.x-116-MX-17-57-x-1. The phone is in "Global" mode, with global roaming settings enabled for all trips. The T-Mobile sim is from my Samsung Galaxy S3 T-Mobile USA (work device).
I powered off the X, removed my Verizon SIM, put in the T-Mo USA sim, and powered it up. The X notifies me "this sim is from an unknown provider." I got an Edge signal. I see T-Mobile on the lock screen. After a another power off/on, I get H+ using the T-Mobile SIM.
Data works - Tested via Chrome and visiting web sites. BB Messenger signs in as well.
SMS works - I sent an SMS from X to my Verizon iPhone 5s (other work phone), it was received fine on the iPhone and reported the T-Mobile phone number. Sent a SMS from my iPhone 5 to the T-Mo phone number, it was received fine on the X.
MMS works - Sent a picture taken on the X to my iP5s, and one from the my iP5s to the X. They were both sent/received just fine.
Calling works - Called my T-Mo USA number from my iP5s, and the X rang was able to answer and talk fine. Called iP5s number from the X, and call came in on my iP5s identified with my T-Mo USA number, was able to answer and talk fine.
All this works WITHOUT manually entering the APN settings on the X when the T-Mobile SIM is in there. But based on the VZW GS4, there is no guarantee the X will remain this way, and you may eventually have to manually enter your APN settings. The again, your wireless carrier may require you to manually enter the APN settings.. I don't know.

KidJoe said:
Ok, I just tried... first some info... My Moto X is Stock 16gig from Verizon (not rooted, not a dev edition), with the latest OTA update Verizon pushed (that fixes camera). System Version: 139.15.1.ghost_verizon build 13.9.0Q2.x-116-MX-17-57-x-1. The phone is in "Global" mode, with global roaming settings enabled for all trips. The T-Mobile sim is from my Samsung Galaxy S3 T-Mobile USA (work device).
I powered off the X, removed my Verizon SIM, put in the T-Mo USA sim, and powered it up. The X notifies me "this sim is from an unknown provider." I got an Edge signal. I see T-Mobile on the lock screen. After a another power off/on, I get H+ using the T-Mobile SIM.
Data works - Tested via Chrome and visiting web sites. BB Messenger signs in as well.
SMS works - I sent an SMS from X to my Verizon iPhone 5s (other work phone), it was received fine on the iPhone and reported the T-Mobile phone number. Sent a SMS from my iPhone 5 to the T-Mo phone number, it was received fine on the X.
MMS works - Sent a picture taken on the X to my iP5s, and one from the my iP5s to the X. They were both sent/received just fine.
Calling works - Called my T-Mo USA number from my iP5s, and the X rang was able to answer and talk fine. Called iP5s number from the X, and call came in on my iP5s identified with my T-Mo USA number, was able to answer and talk fine.
All this works WITHOUT manually entering the APN settings on the X when the T-Mobile SIM is in there. But based on the VZW GS4, there is no guarantee the X will remain this way, and you may eventually have to manually enter your APN settings. The again, your wireless carrier may require you to manually enter the APN settings.. I don't know.
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Thank you. It behaves like my Razr M did, I get a warning but then it all works anyway!
So even if something changes in the future it would be that I have to enter the Apn manually? this is Bolivia, there's no such thing as NOT entering the APN manually !! ahah =)
Wow that's super!
The Moto X is by far the best Android phone out there for me. I hate big phones... it's like a cancer on Android Flagships.
That's why I really like the Razr M, performance and small size (about the size of an iphone 5, for comparisson sake) and the Moto X aint that much bigger and comes with kickass OS from start.. I kinda had given up on owning one, now I can look into it again! =D
Thank you!

SrPintas said:
Thank you. It behaves like my Razr M did, I get a warning but then it all works anyway!
So even if something changes in the future it would be that I have to enter the Apn manually?
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yes, I would think it should behave the same as the Razr M.
As for the future.. I do not expect Verizon to SIM lock (due to FCC rules), and the only change I've seen so far on my GS4 is now having to manually enter the APN settings... NOTE: now that I manually have to enter the APN settings on the GS4, sending/receiving MMS hasn't worked. So either I got a setting wrong, or something is missing. I've compared the APN settings between the X, Lumia 928 and GS4 when the T-Mo sim is in each, and they appear to be the same so I'm not sure why the GS4 doesn't work. But i you are manually entering your APN settings on the Razr M and its working, I'd expect the X to work no problem.

I have another question. It's pretty hard to get a Moto X safely here in Bolivia. I'll have to buy from ebay, and not only there's a chance that it gets "lost" during transport (not frequent, but can happen) but also the fact that corruption is HIIIIIIIGHHHH here and the customs guys love to basically rob foreigns... I had to drop a big bill when I imported my Razr M to release it from customs office.
So, to avoid all that I thought of something, I have a collegue in faculty whose from Canada and he's going to Canada for Xmas. He could get a Moto X there for me and bring it over with him safely. Question is, are Moto X's in Canada GSM compatible? if so which ones etc, what should I look for and what to avoid?
KidJoe said:
yes, I would think it should behave the same as the Razr M.
As for the future.. I do not expect Verizon to SIM lock (due to FCC rules), and the only change I've seen so far on my GS4 is now having to manually enter the APN settings... NOTE: now that I manually have to enter the APN settings on the GS4, sending/receiving MMS hasn't worked. So either I got a setting wrong, or something is missing. I've compared the APN settings between the X, Lumia 928 and GS4 when the T-Mo sim is in each, and they appear to be the same so I'm not sure why the GS4 doesn't work. But i you are manually entering your APN settings on the Razr M and its working, I'd expect the X to work no problem.
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SrPintas said:
I have another question. It's pretty hard to get a Moto X safely here in Bolivia. I'll have to buy from ebay, and not only there's a chance that it gets "lost" during transport (not frequent, but can happen) but also the fact that corruption is HIIIIIIIGHHHH here and the customs guys love to basically rob foreigns... I had to drop a big bill when I imported my Razr M to release it from customs office.
So, to avoid all that I thought of something, I have a collegue in faculty whose from Canada and he's going to Canada for Xmas. He could get a Moto X there for me and bring it over with him safely. Question is, are Moto X's in Canada GSM compatible? if so which ones etc, what should I look for and what to avoid?
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The Moto X is available in Canada only on Rogers and Fido and its the XT1058 version. While it has the same frequencies as the AT&T and a few others, it also allows you to unlock the bootloader via Moto's website.
Right now only the 16GB version is available in black or white.
A good comparison chart of all of the versions of the Moto X is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X#Variants

Got my unlocked AT&T Moto X from eBay ; works just perfect in the Netherlands, w/o any further modifications.

Have your friend buy a Rogers/Fido Moto X in Canada. They are all XT1058s, same as the AT&T model however the bootloader can be unlocked and the phone can be sim unlocked easily for 8 bucks. They are also completely unbranded, no provider markings on the case or in the firmware.
If your friend is lucky he can find a dealer to sell him one for $450.00 cdn, (about 440.00 USD)

Steve-x said:
Have your friend buy a Rogers/Fido Moto X in Canada. They are all XT1058s, same as the AT&T model however the bootloader can be unlocked and the phone can be sim unlocked easily for 8 bucks. They are also completely unbranded, no provider markings on the case or in the firmware.
If your friend is lucky he can find a dealer to sell him one for $450.00 cdn, (about 440.00 USD)
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Oh that is kickass!
thanks a lot for all the input!

Is the sprint version of the phone globally unlocked as well?
Can I buy a Sprint moto x and use a GSM Sim card in Latin America?
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gabo_e30 said:
Can I buy a Sprint moto x and use a GSM Sim card in Latin America?
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Edit: Most US carriers should sell them unlocked, confirmed for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon. I've seen conflicting stories on Sprint. Verizon also may limit some other functionality like forwarding calls for Google Voice, but that's generally a US-only service. Republic Wireless may be locked as well.

bmszabo said:
Got my unlocked AT&T Moto X from eBay ; works just perfect in the Netherlands, w/o any further modifications.
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Did you buy it already unlocked? I just bought mine on ebay, but its still new in box but bought off contract

RobHands said:
Did you buy it already unlocked? I just bought mine on ebay, but its still new in box but bought off contract
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Yes, according to description on eBay 'unlocked AT&T model'. Package was evidently opened, also on pics, for unlocking, as stated, otherwise unused, everything in original packaging, state, even protection folie on the phone.
After inserting my Dutch sim card started up w/o any problems!
And bonus; let it shipped as 'used item' (matter of fact is; package opened), so hadn't bothered customs office (pretty money hungry here in the Netherlands) neither..

Any difference between T-Mobile and Dev Ed.??

Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.

jgolf said:
Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.
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No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.

There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?

scottjb said:
There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?
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Thanks. Understood that your not confirming but reporting what you've observed. The reason why I would choose T-Mobile and use on AT&T is simply because I want the freedom and flexibility to move between different GSM carriers and their MVNOs just like I am able to do on my Nexus 4.
If the T-Mobile version works on a particular HSPA+ band that the Dev Ed does not, yet has all the other bands that the Dev Ed has, then that would make the T-Mobile phones a better and more flexible phone imo. People who need to root or unlock would feel differently since they have different priorities.
I really want to be able to use T-Mobile since they have the best monthly pricing (especially a family of four) and I love how they have shaken up the market, but T-Mobile indoor building penetration is so poor at my current residence that I really need to go with Straight Talk or Net10 with an AT&T sim, yet if I move or the coverage improves I would switch to T-Mobile.
Does T-Mobile have to giver you a code to get your phone to work on AT&T and its MVNO's?

finalarcadia said:
No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.
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Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?

I'm planning on ordering up a MotoX here shortly and have been wondering about the DE vs Tmo question too. After a LOT of google searches it seems they are the same phone with the Tmo version supporting extra bands. According to this article there is NO carrier branding or bloatware on the the Tmo version. The article also states that the Tmo Moto X comes sim unlocked with an unlockable bootloader via Motorola's unlock program. Given this, I cant understand why anyone would order the DE and not take advantage of the Motomaker customization.

There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.

As for T-Mobile USA vs Dev edition.. From what I know, they support the same bands and both are SIM Unlocked. While both allow you to unlock their boot loader, doing so on the T-Mobile USA device will void its warranty where as unlocking the boot loader on the Dev Edition does not. That is why some would order the Dev Edition rather than a 32gig T-Mobile version.
As for T-Mobile vs ATT versions...
Two relevant quotes from John Renaldi of Moto here -> https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi
"TMO version will not have all the same LTE banding as the AT&T version. HSPA bands fine though."
"While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17."
later in that discussion, someone else says... "the T-mobile and Dev variants have the same LTE bands (B17/B4/B2), so they'll be equal. On AT&T (in the US), they'll both do just as well as the AT&T variant. Bands 5 and 7 aren't used by these operators in the US." So not having LTE Band 5 & 7 on the T-Mobile US X wont be a factor unless you are traveling to a non-USA country that uses Band 5 or 7 for LTE.
The T-Mobile can unlock the boot loader, where as the ATT variant can't.

Hello
I have almost the same question. I found an article to root the moto G and the moto X (http://www.elandroidelibre.com/2013...buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer) (sorry it's in spanish)...bla bla bla I found the same that I found here but when I read the comments someone logged as "el mostro cortes" said that he flashed the developer edition's GSM factory image to his motoX. That make me think if I can do the same.
I found the radio specs of my carrier here in Colombia:
TIGO
GSM: 1900MHz
UMTS/HSDPA: 1900MHz
After that I look the motoX DEV-E GSM radio specs and find:
Networks:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands:
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands:
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
With this info, can some help me and tell me if can i flash the motoX DEV-E GSM to my phone?
I search in wikipedia and I found that the motoX DEV-E GSM is a X1053 model, and my motoX is a X1058, it's still posible?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!!!:good:

It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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jgolf said:
It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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Thanks for clarifying that. 5 &7 are Just useless than in other words.
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Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?
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Yes you can tether, just like stock android.

jgolf said:
It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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I should add, from what I've gleaned from what people are reporting in this thread, is that the
1) T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X, have an HSPA+ band that the AT&T X does not.
2) Therefore, in the US, the T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are fully functional on AT&T's network.
3) But AT&T's X will be lacking some HSPA+ capabilities on T-Mobile's network.
Again, I'm not confirming or asserting any of this as fact, but only trying to summarize as best I can what we have been discussing.

aooga said:
There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.
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Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.

Odelheim said:
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
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If you gain any further insight into this between now and Monday please do report back to this thread. I have zero knowledge one way or the other, but this is the first I've heard that there is any branding on T-Mobile X.

Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.

finalarcadia said:
I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.
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This is great news. Thanks a lot mate.
What I'm wondering is why on earth Motorola would give me such informations then. Is it a secret that it comes unlocked? Nevertheless this is profe enough for me. Awesome.

Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.

aooga said:
Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.
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Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.

Odelheim said:
Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.
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I just reread my post and it made no sense to me at all. (The info is still right, don't worry)
I don't know what I was doing when I wrote it. At least you understood it.

[Q] Moto x from usa

Hi,this is my first post so i hope that i'm in the right place and not breaking any rules of the forum, anyway...
I'm lookin for a Moto x and i saw really cheap one on ebay from the usa but i have some question:
1: i've found out that i have no problem in using it in italy if it has tha gsm card slot and right frequencies, so ok,
2: i've seen some services that unlock for you the phone with a small fee, it can be done with bad esn/imei? no i suppose but i'm asking anyway.
3: a bad esn phone with gsm slot can be used anyway outside usa since esn is related to cdma?
4: all sprint's phones are only CDMA? can i unlock the gsm to use it outside usa?
Thank you guys 4 your work,
Federico

I might work....it might not.
But it sure is a gamble with your money. Plus you'd be supporting a thief.

The Moto X is available in europe since around february(?), you can even buy it directly from motorola on amazon.it
As far as i can see that should be the german version, but the european Moto X (XT1052) has all languages available so you can easily change it.
Besides you would have no problems with any frequencies and even LTE would work (which doesnt with a US Moto X).
This should also be cheaper than importing it from the US as you have to pay additional ~25% taxes.
Hope this helps you, i also imported the Moto X from the US back when it was released and everyone thought it was going to be US only.

fede.rico said:
Hi,this is my first post so i hope that i'm in the right place and not breaking any rules of the forum, anyway...
I'm lookin for a Moto x and i saw really cheap one on ebay from the usa but i have some question:
1: i've found out that i have no problem in using it in italy if it has tha gsm card slot and right frequencies, so ok,
2: i've seen some services that unlock for you the phone with a small fee, it can be done with bad esn/imei? no i suppose but i'm asking anyway.
3: a bad esn phone with gsm slot can be used anyway outside usa since esn is related to cdma?
4: all sprint's phones are only CDMA? can i unlock the gsm to use it outside usa?
Thank you guys 4 your work,
Federico
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Make sure the phone supports ALL frequencies of your carrier. Not all X's support all frequencies. While most support the standard 4 standard GSM/GPRS/EDGE frequencies, if the phone you buy doesn't support the frequencies your carrier uses for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ or LTE, you could be stuck as Edge Only. Oh, and from reading threads on the Republic Wireless X it appears that variant X doesn't support the 4 GSM frequencies.
It depends. In the past, the "bad" IMEI/ESN databases were kept by the carrier and not shared. More recently carriers are sharing, but I don't know if this is shared between countries, nor do I know if its shared with SIM Unlock Code sellers.
Since the CDMA X has a SIM slot capable of GSM roaming, reporting a bad ESN might also cause the IMEI to be reported as bad too.
Sprint X does support quad band GSM for global roaming, but apparently only SPRINT has the needed SIM unlock code. To get it, you must be a current sprint customer, with that phone on your line. There are many posts of people buying the Sprint X to use over seas, who are not able to get it SIM Unlocked

[Q] Moto X from T-Mobile to AT&T

I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!

shahud said:
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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Friend..the best way to do it, is to purchase an unbranded, no carrier Moto X from Motorola Website..then you can use whomever you wish..I'd suggest the Developer Edition..otherwise you'll probably have to purchase a "branded" model..
Tip: do everything in your power to purchase an "unbranded" unlockable device..
Here is a list of devices that can be unlocked..look in Moto X list..which can be unlocked..I don't see AT&T listed as unlockable..but they do offer the Moto X..but if I was to guess..I'd say theirs is also unlockable.. but verify this before a purchase..
But..if your budget doesn't allow for the price of a Moto XDEV..then certainly consider the new Moto G 4G LTE..the two are VERY similar is size, and the G will run right along side with the X..I have both..and a budget certainly will justify the new Moto G..and its not carrier branded, runs LTE blazing..consider the Moto G..I have one on AT&T..all my devices are now on AT&T..but of course, depends on your area, to which carrier..
Here >> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
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shahud said:
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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I don't know that there is a "T-Mobile Branded" X, and I don't think T-Mobile sells the X directly (at least it isn't on their web site).
Your choice, is the GSM UNlocked (includes T-Mobile sim) from Moto Maker web site, or the GSM Developer Edition... why?
These are the only way to get a Moto X that supports HSPA/HSPA+ over AWS (1700mhz) that T-mobile uses. History or why is this a consideration: When T-mobile started rolling out their HSPA/HSPA+ network, they did so on AWS(1700mhz) and are the only carrier to do so. While they are re-farming their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA+ in many areas, that isn't complete, so if the phone doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, it will fall back to EDGE in those legacy areas which remain.
Now, what is the difference between the GSM Unlocked and GSM Dev Edition? Kind of simple...
The GSM Developer Edition comes only as 32gig with black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), and says Developer Edition on the back.
The GSM Unlocked (includes T-Mobile SIM) on Moto Maker can be ordered as 16, 32, or 64gig, and the face, back and accents can be customized, along with other customization.
BOTH are SIM unlocked out of the box. Both can be bootloader unlocked, however doing so voids the warranty on the GSM Unlocked version but not the Dev Edition.
Both of these editions support the same GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE bands and frequencies. In fact, they are the same "board' inside, use the same roms, etc. i.e. other than the look of the outside & customization options, and bootloader unlocking voiding vs not voiding the warranty, they are the same phone. (hence the GSM Dev Edition being the preferred choice so you can unlock the bootloader and easily root it without voiding the warranty).
If you are on T-Mobile today, you could buy the ATT version at no contract direct from Moto, BUT... you can't unlock the bootloader (moto doesn't give out the codes for ATT, Verizon, Republic wireless and a few others), ATT Wont sim unlock it (so you could use with T-Mobile) unless you are their customer for a certain period of time, and it doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. While the ATT X does support 2 extra LTE bands, those bands are not currently used in the USA.
Hope that makes sense.

Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
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Yes, that is correct. The only caveat being that if ATT ever starts using those two extra LTE Bands (band 5 and 7) in the USA then the GSM Unlocked will have a slight disadvantage as it doesn't support them (hardware wise).

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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moto x is a great phone for mom because it just works. Good choice my friend.
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shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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tnp9008 said:
I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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I have this device on the AT&T GoPhone plan and very pleased with LTE here in the mountains of NC..out performs my Moto X Dev Edition and Droid Maxx Dev Edition (Verizon) here..
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Pure Edition

Thinking of getting the Moto X pure edition. For Verizon. Is this an unlock version like dev version of the phone? and theres a selection for unlock sim choice. Does that mean I can take it to any carrier? Thanks for any reply in advance.

1. It is carrier unlocked, but not boot loader unlocked. You can request a code from moto for that.
2. When I ordered my pure edition, the only option I saw was a T-Mobile Sim, though I've heard others say they got a different Sims installed.
3. I don't know how many carriers the PE works on, but it's more than just T-Mobile. And as for Verizon, I don't know, sorry.

StankFiss said:
Thinking of getting the Moto X pure edition. For Verizon. Is this an unlock version like dev version of the phone? and theres a selection for unlock sim choice. Does that mean I can take it to any carrier? Thanks for any reply in advance.
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I would ask someone who has Verizon to let you use their SIM card to see what service you get. Band 4 is VZW's "XLTE" band, which the PE supports. You won't get band 13, since the PE lacks that hardware. You might be able to pick band 4 though.

Unlikely that Verizon would activate a Pure on their network, so while you might get some LTE data you'll never have voice calling.
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why does it have to be on Verizon?
I'm using my Pure Edition (XT1095) with Straight Talk (AT&T compatible SIM) with no issues and it gets about 15-20 MBs down with LTE within a 60-70 mile radius for me. I get good coverage and not have to deal with BS contracts.

chrisrozon said:
Unlikely that Verizon would activate a Pure on their network, so while you might get some LTE data you'll never have voice calling.
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This.
Verizon's network isn't like GSM networks where you can just pop your SIM in practically any phone and be done with it. They have to physically activate the phone on their network, and they won't if it's not their device. Your options are to either get a Verizon branded Moto X, or use the Pure on AT&T, TMo, or one of the many GSM MVNOs.