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[Q] DLNA Mirroring to PC

- Idea: Want to play Mobile Games on my big HD TV (has no DLNA), only solution so far: MHL Cable, but this is a pain in the a s s you need a MHL Adapter, a Charging Cable and a 5 meter HDMI Cable. b*tch please. that's no fun.
- Problem: TV has no DLNA function where i could mirror the Mobile Phone screen, else it would be solved.
Is there a Solution?
my PC is connected with DVI-HDMI to the HD TV, so if i could make my PC work like a DLNA Receiver with VLC Player or something, maybe i could get the Xperia Z find my PC in the LAN as DLNA device and stream the Xperia Screen (Games, Videos) to the PC VLC Player and watch it on my TV then like i play games on my PC.
Is this possible and how ?

DLNA will not enable you to play games on your tv. It will allow the playback of media.
You need something to mirror the phone image. Like MirrorLink. Which isn't available yet.
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ok, that's what i thought in the first place.
i contacted the sony support today and they told me that i can not play games from my phone on my older sony bravia tv without a MHL Adapter Cable (Micro USB to HDMI), but with a newer DLAN TV (yes DLAN, he thought it is correct like this, in the end i told him it's called DLNA).
that's where my thoughts came from, that a pc may also be able to view the screen picture and act as a DLNA Receiver like the newer DLNA TVs.

It's not DLNA, it's Miracast. Currently no solution to have your computer act as receiver exists, but it is theoretically possible on any device with WiFi and WiFi Direct.
Remember though that wireless mirroring doesn't work simultaneously with regular WiFi and has over a second delay.
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Ambroos said:
It's not DLNA, it's Miracast. Currently no solution to have your computer act as receiver exists, but it is theoretically possible on any device with WiFi and WiFi Direct.
Remember though that wireless mirroring doesn't work simultaneously with regular WiFi and has over a second delay.
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You could play limited media through your laptops DLNA server from the phone, just select your computer from the throw settings. But of course you will have to have the computer connected to the TV.
One scond delay over wifi, dude you need a new router or network config, there is a delay, but I would suggest it shouldn't be one second, this would be due to the connected device rendering the image for display not WIFI lag.
Yes as for using your tv for what you are asking MHL is really your only option

danw_oz said:
You could play limited media through your laptops DLNA server from the phone, just select your computer from the throw settings. But of course you will have to have the computer connected to the TV.
One scond delay over wifi, dude you need a new router or network config, there is a delay, but I would suggest it shouldn't be one second, this would be due to the connected device rendering the image for display not WIFI lag.
Yes as for using your tv for what you are asking MHL is really your only option
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He asked about mirroring, not streaming. Streaming music or movies to your pc is easy, I just use foobar for that (music only).
Miracast doesn't use your router at all, it's WiFi Direct which means it goes directly from your phone to the receiving device. You obviously haven't tried it because there really is quite some delay. Your phone has to compress the display data on the fly, transmit it and then the receiver needs to decode it. Don't expect that too be to fast. Check some YouTube videos and you'll see there is a delay.
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Ambroos said:
He asked about mirroring, not streaming. Streaming music or movies to your pc is easy, I just use foobar for that (music only).
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Yep and what do you think DLNA is??? Only streaming of various media types. So the answer is clearly NO. That was his question. And that is what I told him
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Miracast doesn't use your router at all, it's WiFi Direct which means it goes directly from your phone to the receiving device. You obviously haven't tried it because there really is quite some delay. Your phone has to compress the display data on the fly, transmit it and then the receiver needs to decode it. Don't expect that too be to fast. Check some YouTube videos and you'll see there is a delay.
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Yes I wasn't referring to WIFI direct nor miracast, and neither were you in your quote stating about the over one second delay, well at least you didn't make that clear. I was referring to using wifi to mirror my screen on my Sony TV, and I state that quite clearly.
You ovbiously got out of the wrong side of the bed

Can I control Chromecast with my phone without a wifi router?

Can I control Chromecast with my phone without a wifi router? I would like to be able to use just a tv, chromecast, and my phone to stream from my phone. Does anyone know if this is possible or if it will be? I tried downloading a rented movie from Google movie and turn the router off at my house. I tried to stream, but it failed for two reasons. Google movies won't let you stream downloaded movies and Chromecast won't work without my router on. Did I do something wrong here or am I missing something? I would prefer to be able to rely on my phone's data and downloaded files. Doesn't anyone think this would be possible with Chromecast? I guess I'm ultimately looking for portability without the internet.

choosetoride said:
Can I control Chromcast with my phone without a wifi router? I would like to be able to use just a tv, chromecast, and my phone to stream from my phone. Does anyone know if this is possible or if it will be? I tried downloading a rented movie from Google movie and turn the router off at my house. I tried to stream, but it failed for two reasons. Google movies won't let you stream downloaded movies and Chromecast won't work without my router on. Did I do something wrong here or am I missing something? I would prefer to be able to rely on my phone's data and downloaded files. Doesn't anyone think this would be possible with Chromecast? I guess I'm ultimately looking for portability without the internet.
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I'm pretty sure your phone/tablet/laptop need to be on the same subnet as the device so it can be found to cast to, hence the need to have everything on the same wifi router.

I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.

I think the salient point from the above answers is that Chromecast seems to need an Internet connection for some things (like youtube). For Web pages the Windows chrome browser sends the content to Chromecast but other times (YouTube) it's pulling content itself from the Internet.
Once Koush's app is out hopefully you'll be able to stream more content right to your phone, so a peer to peer network might work better
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Jason_V said:
I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.
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You could, but remember that Casting from your phone, computer, etc removes that device from being in the middle, and the Chromecast does the heavy lifting of grabbing the requested stream from the internet and playing it on-screen. Your phone's WiFi may be sufficient, but remember you're going to be pulling HD data over the cellular connection, and that'll probably be jerky and buffer a lot. It was neat to cast a netflix item from my phone and turn my phone OFF while it was still playing (and didn't skip a beat) to verify it wasn't using my phone for anything.

FractalSphere said:
You could, but remember that Casting from your phone, computer, etc removes that device from being in the middle, and the Chromecast does the heavy lifting of grabbing the requested stream from the internet and playing it on-screen. Your phone's WiFi may be sufficient, but remember you're going to be pulling HD data over the cellular connection, and that'll probably be jerky and buffer a lot. It was neat to cast a netflix item from my phone and turn my phone OFF while it was still playing (and didn't skip a beat) to verify it wasn't using my phone for anything.
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Good point. The handoff is amazing. I just would like the option for when I'm somewhere with no internet. In my opinion, this could be a huge deal breaker for a lot of people. Why make it so small, if it's not meant to be taken everywhere? But, who knows. From my perspective, it goes right back to the DRM issue with Xbox. I buy or rent all of the media I watch, but forcing me to be online anytime I want to view it is just controlling. It removes value.

choosetoride said:
Good point. The handoff is amazing. I just would like the option for when I'm somewhere with no internet. In my opinion, this could be a huge deal breaker for a lot of people. Why make it so small, if it's not meant to be taken everywhere? But, who knows. From my perspective, it goes right back to the DRM issue with Xbox. I buy or rent all of the media I watch, but forcing me to be online anytime I want to view it is just controlling. It removes value.
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I would tether or use one of those mobile hotspots (I don't have one, but might if I traveled extensively) and stream that way at a hotel or even someone elses house.
Ohh, which begs the question, can the Chromecast store more than one Wifi configuration? I don't think the software can do that at the moment.. Would be VERY convenient to travel to known locations back and forth.
As for direct streaming of local video, i was able to stream MP4 files no problem using a Chrome browser tab. The computer doing the rendering needs to be a higher-end PC, though - right now I have a older 'media PC' set up that my Xbox plays DLNA from and it's just a glorified storage device, it didn't want to render those videos well at all. So if you have a decent laptop, and get Connectify (free PC software that makes your laptop a hotspot) you can stream to the Chromecast directly while out at a remote location.

I believe the ad-hoc wireless functionality was only meant to facilitate initial setup, not to be a content streaming solution.
Plus, I doubt your phone would be able to handle the computing stress required to cast content directly to the Chromecast.

Roberek said:
I believe the ad-hoc wireless functionality was only meant to facilitate initial setup, not to be a content streaming solution.
Plus, I doubt your phone would be able to handle the computing stress required to cast content directly to the Chromecast.
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I stream HD Netflix from my phone's hotspot, perfect. I play my xbox online with parties using my hotpsot...perfect.
My down speeds are better than most peoples ISP down speeds so I don't see this being an issue.
The Xbox Smartglass app works from my phone while my phone is giving my Xbox internet so I don't see why the Chromecast wouldn't be able to work either.
I emailed Google about this because I honestly don't see the problem.

iTreezy said:
I stream HD Netflix from my phone's hotspot, perfect. I play my xbox online with parties using my hotpsot...perfect.
My down speeds are better than most peoples ISP down speeds so I don't see this being an issue.
The Xbox Smartglass app works from my phone while my phone is giving my Xbox internet so I don't see why the Chromecast wouldn't be able to work either.
I emailed Google about this because I honestly don't see the problem.
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let me know if you get a reply because i want to do the same thing but apparently this is the reason why it doesn't work
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...android-phone-hotspot-ap-isolation-issue.html
seems like if you can disable ap isolation then it would fix it but i'm not sure how you'd do that

Jason_V said:
I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.
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I tried doing this on my Galaxy Note II (Sprint) using WiFi tether. I was able to get it an IP and connect to the network, but it wasn't pushing the DNS info (ie wasn't getting an internet connection). Unfortunately, WiFi tether can be limited in the it's settings and CC has only a few.
Unfortunately, from what I've seen, you are unable to store multiple networks on the CC. I don't believe it was designed for that much portability. I happen to have a laptop with me and was able to do the setup. Since I wasn't able to get an internet connect, I wasn't able to test if I could cast from the GN2. My expectation is most likely not. But I had a tablet with me too, and would have tested it with that.
As for how it would preform, I assume for Netflix and application with CC extension built in, no problem. Trying to cast a Chrome tab, that could be iffy since it would depend on well WiFi tether can handle the that much traffic and the PC.
I haven't fiddled with it since then. But it's definitely possible with some tweaks.

colonelcack said:
let me know if you get a reply because i want to do the same thing but apparently this is the reason why it doesn't work
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...android-phone-hotspot-ap-isolation-issue.html
seems like if you can disable ap isolation then it would fix it but i'm not sure how you'd do that
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I don't think there is a way to disable AP isolation. I'm no network wiz or anything but I rally think it would be an easy update on their side to grant access to using our phones hot spot.
I also noticed that the Chromecast itself generates its own hotspot...I'm assuming to let other devices connect to it and cast to it.
I'm not mad that it doesn't work ($35 isn't a wallet breaker) but I am mad that I jumped the gun and used my 3 months free promo for Netflix =(

Well, here it is guys
Hello Troy,
Thank you for contacting Google Play! It was a pleasure getting to speak with you today. Unfortunately you will need an ISP to hook up your chromecast it will not work off of a hotspot connection.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to reply directly to this email. Also, you can visit our help center at:
https://support.google.com/chromecast/
Regards,
Tracy
The Google Play Support Team!
On 08/10/13 00:10:27 ********** wrote:
first_name_req: Troy
last_name_req: Wisniewski
email_req: **********
Chromekey_serial:
description_req: I don't have an ISP at my residence, I use my Galaxy Nexus
hotspot for everything which always works out well. I was hoping that the
Chromecast would work connected to my hotpot but it seems to have issues.
People have stated that it won't work because your phone has to be
connected to wifi as well but my rebuttal to this is that
Microsoft's "SmartGlass" app is used to control my Xbox, through wifi. I
use my hotspot to give internet access to my Xbox and my phone can control
it even though it is technically not on a wifi network, instead it is
providing the wifi. To me it seems this is the same concept and should work
with a bit of back end support on your end. I would appreciate an email
back stating whether this is going to be possible or not. If it isn't
possible I understand. For $35 ($15 with the Netflix promo) it's not
exactly killing me. The reason I don't have an ISP is because I would
rather not be raped (for lack of better words)
P.S. Google Fiber Metro Detroit please
static_subject_line: Chromecast technical question
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I guess the the next step is for everyone to quote this and spread the word throughout the other posts here at XDA and any other forums related to this topic.

iTreezy said:
I guess the the next step is for everyone to quote this and spread the word throughout the other posts here at XDA and any other forums related to this topic.
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bull****. they're just too lazy to do it. there has to be some hotspot app that has this feature or some kind of workaround that will be figured out eventually...this was the whole reason i bought the device, this would be the ultimate portable media center. i bet that kouch guy could do it...

colonelcack said:
bull****. they're just too lazy to do it. there has to be some hotspot app that has this feature or some kind of workaround that will be figured out eventually...this was the whole reason i bought the device, this would be the ultimate portable media center. i bet that kouch guy could do it...
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Listen.. I'm with you man. I meant spread the official word of google so we can move on to focusing on developers trying to help us out
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iTreezy said:
Listen.. I'm with you man. I meant spread the official word of google so we can move on to focusing on developers trying to help us out
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lol i know man i wasn't saying bull**** to you just in general. i already linked to this to the other post on androidcentral....hopefully this helps spread the word.

Kinda late to the party here, but just FYI I have my CC tethered to my Sprint SGS4 using the native hotspot app. Did the set up using my N10, using the chromecast app.

Bump - Any new developments?
So, Ive been scouring the internet looking for some sort of simple, portable, wireless method to stream content from my Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 to a TV... with the most obvious thought of HDMI adapters and dongles. Obviously one of the leading search results and hype is "Chromecast" which led me here. I was hoping I could confirm the following and see if any progress has been made:
1. Can the Chromecast be used to stream content on a mobile device? Or is it still based strictly on app based media?
2. I doubt much progress has been made in this area, so I really doubt "screencasting" from a mobile device (tablet/phone) is possible, especially without internet connection.
3. Can Chromecast be supported by a portable wifi hotspot yet? or is it still strictly dependent on a ISP to router WiFi connection?
4. If Chromecast doesn't do it, then has any one found any devices that allows you to stream your tablet/phone to a tv wirelessly the same way that you can do if you have the MHL to HDMI cables?

varxtis said:
So, Ive been scouring the internet looking for some sort of simple, portable, wireless method to stream content from my Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 to a TV... with the most obvious thought of HDMI adapters and dongles. Obviously one of the leading search results and hype is "Chromecast" which led me here. I was hoping I could confirm the following and see if any progress has been made:
1. Can the Chromecast be used to stream content on a mobile device? Or is it still based strictly on app based media?
2. I doubt much progress has been made in this area, so I really doubt "screencasting" from a mobile device (tablet/phone) is possible, especially without internet connection.
3. Can Chromecast be supported by a portable wifi hotspot yet? or is it still strictly dependent on a ISP to router WiFi connection?
4. If Chromecast doesn't do it, then has any one found any devices that allows you to stream your tablet/phone to a tv wirelessly the same way that you can do if you have the MHL to HDMI cables?
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Read the Stickies first.

3. As long as your hotspot does not isolates clients or the AP itself, does not block or mangle multicast, and has sufficient bitrate to get the Internet-based media you want, it should work.
4. Wireless HDMI transmitter/receiver, but those cost in the $150+ range for good reason - latency is the biggest enemy. That's why applying the same mechanism that desktop Chrome tab casting won't work. It'll overload the CPU of the phone/tablet with compression and it will still have lag.

Miracast

I have a lg smart TV with miracast and even though it shows my moto x as available it won't connect. The moto x does not show the TV available, miracast on the tv does the device search but the moto does not search for a device. Any one tried to use miracast?
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You should be searching devices from your phone. Go to settings display wireless display and try to search while miracast is enabled on your TV you're basically setting up a hotspot from phone to TV
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That's what i did and the phone does not find the TV but if use the TV WiFi direct search it finds the phone and will attempt to connect fails. So why will the phone not find the TV but the tv will the find the phone?
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kenrw7 said:
That's what i did and the phone does not find the TV but if use the TV WiFi direct search it finds the phone and will attempt to connect fails. So why will the phone not find the TV but the tv will the find the phone?
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My smart tv is a bit finicky like that. Try going into the app you want on the tv and you should be presented with a way to connect to it through the browser. ie. when I use the youtube app to cast to my tv I have to scan a barcode first that is provided through the tv's youtube app interface before I can begin casting. Once I disconnect from my tv I have to do the process all over again. Maybe yours is the same way? Doesn't hurt to troubleshoot and see what options you have available.

I want to share my pictures or even video taken on the phone but there is not a share option to share with a TV available. I hoped to play on the phone and share via miracast to the TV. And not having a HDMI or mhl connection is a deal breaker for me ( thought miracast would make up for the lack of hdmi /mhl). What a waste of money this phone has been!, its a phone I can't recommend until a solution is available.
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Further information
1) Is the TV's firmware up to date?* yes
2) Are you using an app to get the two devices to talk to one another, or just the native Android Miracast support? native
3) Are you using the Wireless Display settings or Cast Screen - because Cast Screen is just for Chromecast.* Wireless display setting, getting closer now as I've turned off the TV's widi option and using wifi direct the phone finds the TV and TV responds requesting to accept phone connection but after about 45-60 seconds of the 120 this fails.
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kenrw7 said:
Further information
1) Is the TV's firmware up to date?* yes
2) Are you using an app to get the two devices to talk to one another, or just the native Android Miracast support? native
3) Are you using the Wireless Display settings or Cast Screen - because Cast Screen is just for Chromecast.* Wireless display setting, getting closer now as I've turned off the TV's widi option and using wifi direct the phone finds the TV and TV responds requesting to accept phone connection but after about 45-60 seconds of the 120 this fails.
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So there's no solution what a shame thought this was a great phone until now what a big let down a Motorola fail.
Note to self Buy a phone that has a HDMI !

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Note to self,buy miracast certified tv/dongle.clearly the problem is your tv,search for solución un tv's manual. My miracast dongle works perfectly

ganasiff said:
Note to self,buy miracast certified tv/dongle.clearly the problem is your tv,search for solución un tv's manual. My miracast dongle works perfectly
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The TV is Miracast certified.
http://www.wi-fi.org/content/search-page?keys=32LS
4 Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ products matching "32LS" | See All
LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575S-ZD LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575T-ZD LED LCD TV mine
LG Electronics 32LS5700-UA LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS570T-ZA
So getting a dongle would be added expense with NO guarantee that it would work, being wifi certified is no guarantee
It is a phone problem I initiate using the , the TV accepts and responds with request from phone to connect but the phone does not respond.

kenrw7 said:
The TV is Miracast certified.
http://www.wi-fi.org/content/search-page?keys=32LS
4 Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ products matching "32LS" | See All
LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575S-ZD LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575T-ZD LED LCD TV mine
LG Electronics 32LS5700-UA LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS570T-ZA
So getting a dongle would be added expense with NO guarantee that it would work, being wifi certified is no guarantee
It is a phone problem I initiate using the , the TV accepts and responds with request from phone to connect but the phone does not respond.
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You need to search for the TV from your phone go look on YouTube maybe get really close and try again.
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kenrw7 said:
The TV is Miracast certified.
http://www.wi-fi.org/content/search-page?keys=32LS
4 Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ products matching "32LS" | See All
LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575S-ZD LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS575T-ZD LED LCD TV mine
LG Electronics 32LS5700-UA LED LCD TV
LG Electronics 32LS570T-ZA
So getting a dongle would be added expense with NO guarantee that it would work, being wifi certified is no guarantee
It is a phone problem I initiate using the , the TV accepts and responds with request from phone to connect but the phone does not respond.
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What exactly are you looking to do? Since you mention Miracast, I'm guessing you want to "share" or "stream" your X's display onto your TV.
As for the certification for your TV.. Please look closer at the certification certificate for that TV... -> http://certifications.prod.wi-fi.org/pdf/certificate/public/download?cid=WFA15025 while it lists various WIFI certifications (like for basic wifi connectivity needed to connect to a hot spot and use the SmartTV & DLNA features), it does not list Miracast. Where as the certificate for a TV such as the LG 55LB6300 -> http://certifications.prod.wi-fi.org/pdf/certificate/public/download?cid=WFA52662 DOES list Miracast.
LG's web site -> http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-32LS575T-smart-tvs doesn't list Miracast, but does show WIDI and Wifi display, which as far as I understand, are different than Miracast.
So like Bluetooth, WIFI certification does not mean that ALL possible features/protocols are included in the certified device.
I don't believe the X supports WIDI or Wifi Display. But it is supposed to support Wifi Direct (according to its certification certificate)
Since your TV supports Wifi Direct, shouldn't it be able to be used? Well, from my understanding, you can transfer content via Wifi direct, but I don't think you can "stream" them from your phone to TV's screen this way. (Samsung illustrates the process of Wifi Direct here -> http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000005/7954/53595 and it only transfers files, you'd then need to navigate the "target" device's internal storage to locate and play the content that was transferred). However this Sony video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_QrYSEN2Vo implies you can play a video or picture on your phone, and have it show on your TV. I'll have to try that later today when I get a chance.

KidJoe said:
What exactly are you looking to do? Since you mention Miracast, I'm guessing you want to "share" or "stream" your X's display onto your TV.
As for the certification for your TV.. Please look closer at the certification certificate for that TV... -> http://certifications.prod.wi-fi.org/pdf/certificate/public/download?cid=WFA15025 while it lists various WIFI certifications (like for basic wifi connectivity needed to connect to a hot spot and use the SmartTV & DLNA features), it does not list Miracast. Where as the certificate for a TV such as the LG 55LB6300 -> http://certifications.prod.wi-fi.org/pdf/certificate/public/download?cid=WFA52662 DOES list Miracast.
LG's web site -> http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-32LS575T-smart-tvs doesn't list Miracast, but does show WIDI and Wifi display, which as far as I understand, are different than Miracast.
So like Bluetooth, WIFI certification does not mean that ALL possible features/protocols are included in the certified device.
I don't believe the X supports WIDI or Wifi Display. But it is supposed to support Wifi Direct (according to its certification certificate)
Since your TV supports Wifi Direct, shouldn't it be able to be used? Well, from my understanding, you can transfer content via Wifi direct, but I don't think you can "stream" them from your phone to TV's screen this way. (Samsung illustrates the process of Wifi Direct here -> http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000005/7954/53595 and it only transfers files, you'd then need to navigate the "target" device's internal storage to locate and play the content that was transferred).
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Thank you for your comments.
I understand that Miracast is limited to Wi-Fi Direct supported devices.
I want to mirror the phone display on the TV and by that means stream video on the phone to the TV.
You quote "I don't believe the X supports WIDI or Wifi Display." so why in phone settings is Wireless Display option, this what used with the TV wireless display on (under the Widi option trying to connect to the phone I get get on phone saying widi is not supported).
The phone searches for the TV shows available tap option to connect phone show waiting for connection, at this time the TV shows phone available tick and select TV asks do you wish to connect yes next screen is waiting for connection time limit to connect is 120 seconds.
Phone responds after about 80-110 seconds connection failed.
I agree LG do not show the TV as miracast enabled but do state it has wireless display connectivity ( and widi connectivity), so I may be quote miracast in error.
Also both the TV and the moto X are list by the Wifi Alliance as certified for wireless display connectivity which is widi or miracast.
So having devices certified is not a prerequisite to connectivity, so what is the point of the wifi alliance.
I was naive to believe that devices that are have wifi alliance approvals would also connect to each other, it either LG or it Motorola, I've the question with LG support they blame Motorola. I've got no answer from the Motorola support.
So I'll not be changing the TV but I can change the phone (unless someone can provide a solution
the only true way to mirror the phone on the TV is HDMIor MHL so the next phone will have either a HDMI or MHL connectivity, wireless display just does not work, there are too many industry standards, the wifi alliance is not providing a prerequisite that all devices connect.

kenrw7 said:
Thank you for your comments.
I understand that Miracast is limited to Wi-Fi Direct supported devices.
I want to mirror the phone display on the TV and by that means stream video on the phone to the TV.
You quote "I don't believe the X supports WIDI or Wifi Display." so why in phone settings is Wireless Display option, this what used with the TV wireless display on (under the Widi option trying to connect to the phone I get get on phone saying widi is not supported).
The phone searches for the TV shows available tap option to connect phone show waiting for connection, at this time the TV shows phone available tick and select TV asks do you wish to connect yes next screen is waiting for connection time limit to connect is 120 seconds.
Phone responds after about 80-110 seconds connection failed.
I agree LG do not show the TV as miracast enabled but do state it has wireless display connectivity ( and widi connectivity), so I may be quote miracast in error.
Also both the TV and the moto X are list by the Wifi Alliance as certified for wireless display connectivity which is widi or miracast.
So having devices certified is not a prerequisite to connectivity, so what is the point of the wifi alliance.
I was naive to believe that devices that are have wifi alliance approvals would also connect to each other, it either LG or it Motorola, I've the question with LG support they blame Motorola. I've got no answer from the Motorola support.
So I'll not be changing the TV but I can change the phone (unless someone can provide a solution
the only true way to mirror the phone on the TV is HDMIor MHL so the next phone will have either a HDMI or MHL connectivity, wireless display just does not work, there are too many industry standards, the wifi alliance is not providing a prerequisite that all devices connect.
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You need to look into it further. The Wireless display option on the X under App Drawer -> Settings -> Display -> Wireless Display... the learn more link takes me to -> http://help.motorola.com/hc/apps/wd/10/en-us/lm-wireless.html which states "To get started, you need a Miracast™ compatible HDTV or a Miracast wireless display adapter to connect to your HDTV"
As for the Wifi Alliance and certification... there are basic wifi connection standards which ensure interoperability between devices, brands, etc. And then there are wifi features that can be add on. This doesn't mean every Wireless N device supports all the same features (look at Wifi N.. you can have 2.4ghz or dualband 2.4Ghz+5Ghz Wifi N).
To help explain that better, think of Bluetooth and phones.. something OLD I wrote up -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/BT-PHONE.htm all the phones listed on that page are BT certified... But notice the different profiles each support? Same thing with wifi and wifi certification.
for the rest, I'm late for my son's T-ball game, so I'll reply later when I get a chance...

LG have sent email TV network setting and disable soft AP as miracast works when disabled. I've yet to find that setting option when do I'll report back
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kenrw7 said:
LG have sent email TV network setting and disable soft AP as miracast works when disabled. I've yet to find that setting option when do I'll report back
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edit not found AP setting.
But easily connected my windows tablet to the TV using Intelwidi

KidJoe
Thank you for time taken and advice given. Ive resigned myself to the fact that I'm unable to connect the phone to the TV. As said earlier it is easier to change the phone, no matter how good the moto x is (which it is) it may be a lg fault but I'm not I'm not getting the functuallity I want.
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Now that I have some time, I just want to dive into this a little more so we both understand this a little better... I'm no expert on this stuff, I'm just learning...
kenrw7 said:
I understand that Miracast is limited to Wi-Fi Direct supported devices.
I want to mirror the phone display on the TV and by that means stream video on the phone to the TV.
You quote "I don't believe the X supports WIDI or Wifi Display." so why in phone settings is Wireless Display option, this what used with the TV wireless display on (under the Widi option trying to connect to the phone I get get on phone saying widi is not supported).
The phone searches for the TV shows available tap option to connect phone show waiting for connection, at this time the TV shows phone available tick and select TV asks do you wish to connect yes next screen is waiting for connection time limit to connect is 120 seconds.
Phone responds after about 80-110 seconds connection failed.
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From what I've been able to find and read on the subject, Wifi Display, WiDi, and WiFi Direct are different. WiDi is an intel standard that has been out for a few years. Its used by intel based PC's and laptops to use a TV as a monitor without wires. Wifi Direct can connect two wifi devices directly, and can be used to transfer files. Wifi Display I'm still learning about as it appears to just be an underlying component to Miracast and Miracast Certification, not something used separately.
from the 5 Frequently Asked Questions on -> http://www.wi-fi.org/content/search-page?keys=Wifi display#.U2-IAIFdUhE
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[B]What is the difference between Miracast and Wi-Fi Display?[/B]
Miracast is the brand for the certification program operated by Wi-Fi Alliance. Devices that pass this certification testing can be referred to as “Miracast devices”. Miracast certification is based on the Wi-Fi Alliance Wi-Fi Display Specification. This is the underlying technological specification developed by Wi-Fi Alliance members, and is copyrighted and owned by Wi-Fi Alliance.
[b]How is Miracast related to Wi-Fi Direct?[/b]
Wi-Fi Direct allows devices to connect directly to each other, without the need for a Wi-Fi AP, and requiring just the push of a button, the entry of a PIN, or tapping two NFC-capable devices together. Wi-Fi Direct allows source and display devices to discover one another and provides the underlying device-to-device connectivity for Miracast. Miracast builds upon Wi-Fi Direct with mechanisms to negotiate video capabilities, setup content protection (if needed), stream content, and maintain the video session.
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I agree LG do not show the TV as miracast enabled but do state it has wireless display connectivity ( and widi connectivity), so I may be quote miracast in error.
Also both the TV and the moto X are list by the Wifi Alliance as certified for wireless display connectivity which is widi or miracast.
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Widi is NOT Miracast, see the above WiDi link I supplied. WiDi and Wifi Display are not listed on the certification documents for your TV and the X, only Wifi-Direct. In addition to Wifi-Direct, the certification sheet for the X also lists Miracast-Source.
So with the LG web site claiming Widi and Wifi Display, they might not have received certification for it. Why can they show the wifi alliance certificaiton on their box? Maybe because they received certifications for the other parts (like wifi-direct and connectivity)?
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So having devices certified is not a prerequisite to connectivity, so what is the point of the wifi alliance.
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There are various levels of Wifi Alliance certification. Basic connection, Basic interoperability standards, backwards compatibility, etc. They ensure that you pick up a Wireless G card from belkin and it connects to your Netgear Wireless G router, or that your wireless N card can work with your B, G, or N router properly, etc. Just that "connect" needs Wifi Alliance certification, and that is enough to bare the symbol on the box. Then there are the "add-ons" like Wifi Direct, Miracast, etc.
My older LG BD390 and BD570 bluray players have the Wifi Certification logo on the box. Only wireless they can do is make a connection to a B, G, or N access point.
Think of it this way... You can buy a Buick Verano... get it equipped with or without Nav, with our without leather type interior, with or without sunroof... but any way you buy it, its a Buick Verano. Yeah, its not the best analogy, but I hope it, and the bluetooth link for the older phones I provided, illustrates different configuration possibilities while still being able to have the "certification" logo.
Oh, and there is similar dis-function in the DLNA certification process!! (even though my BD390 and BD570 received DLNA certification and have the logo on the sides of their boxes, they do not properly adhere to DLNA standards so some DLNA servers like Serviio and others don't properly work with them)
kenrw7 said:
I was naive to believe that devices that are have wifi alliance approvals would also connect to each other, it either LG or it Motorola, I've the question with LG support they blame Motorola. I've got no answer from the Motorola support.
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Each vendor is going to blame the other. That is how it goes. They build their devices to a "standard" and get it "certified" so they think it must be the other guy's fault.
kenrw7 said:
So I'll not be changing the TV but I can change the phone (unless someone can provide a solution
the only true way to mirror the phone on the TV is HDMIor MHL so the next phone will have either a HDMI or MHL connectivity, wireless display just does not work, there are too many industry standards, the wifi alliance is not providing a prerequisite that all devices connect.
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As suggested earlier, you could buy a real Miracast dongle for your TV. It will probably be more cost effective than replacing the phone.
Or you could by a Samsung phone. I think they still support MHL on the S5. Or they support their AllCast Share (which would need a device for your TV to make work).
All that being said, the Wifi Alliance Certification certificate for my Sony KDL-5HX750 is very similar to yours, except your TV supports 5Ghz A band wifi, where mine does not. Both only list WPA/WPA2 Security, Wifi B, G, N, Wifi-Direct, WMM, and WPS.
The X (XT1060/XT1050/XT941L) lists those plus support for Wifi Direct and Miracast Source.
So in the interest of this discussion, and to see what is possible, I tried Wifi Direct via the following -> http://www.sony-asia.com/microsite/bravia_i-manuals/FY11/GA/eng/HX920_DS/nt_wfdirect.html and I can make the connection. If I follow -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0wnkZUVDKs I get to the 1:20 mark just fine, and the connection is established. The video then demonstrates "throwing" content from the device. The built in video player and photo gallery apps on the X do not have these options, unless I can find an add on app in the store?
I need to better understand the statement of "media remote" in the video since Sony does have a Media Remote app in the PlayStore, but that has been replaced by what looks like a TV remote only app. Installing the older Media Remote (OLD) app from the play store, In DEMO MODE I do get throw/catch options on my phone. I will have to get time to try and use this while connected to my TV. Its Mothers day, so that will have to wait.

Ivy did know there is a difference between wifi direct (file transfer) wifi display (streaming) widi (Intel streaming). I have widi working with my Intel tablet. But ive not got WiFi display working with TV/phone may be because the tv is not branded as miracast. Reading your post I read as there are 2 WiFi display standards, one of which is the miracast brand the other unbranded and from my experience you can't make connectivity between the two. TV ( WiFi display) will not connect to moto x (miracast) even both are certified. So miracast:miracast or WiFi display:WiFi display only
But not WiFi display:miracast
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I've got an LG Smart TV and Miracast works flawlessly with it any time I want to use it.
My Nexus 5 was very flaky and wouldn't connect properly but the Moto X is perfect.

Wutang200 which model number is your LG?
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Mirroring to Chromecast without having to be connected to Wifi?

I Just bought a Chromecast and am wondering is there a way to Mirror my Samsung galaxy s4 to Chromecast without having the Chromecast connected to a wifi source?
I know you can Mirror with the "Chromecast app" while the Chromecast is connected to a wifi source.
but that defeats the purpose to me. You see I only use my hotspot with my S4 and it will of course not allow you to use hotspot while using wifi obviously.
So I was wondering if I bought the "Allcast app" if that or something like that will allow me to Mirror with the Chromecast without having the Chromecast connected to a wifi source similar to DLNA?
Thanks so much in advance!!
P.S. If I put this thead in the wrong place I am very Sorry.
please just move it if necessary.

No, Chromecast will do nothing without Internet. Because it gets the apps that it runs from the Internet...
Some folks have been able to get WiFi and hotspot working simultaneously, but I think that's largely dependent upon the ROM - and possibly luck.

Anyone know if I can mirror my Nexus 6 to my TV using Chromecast without WifI? I've gotten screen casting to work through wifi direct and a miracast dongle, but I can't get Netflix to work. I don't want to stream content, just mirror my device. So would Chromecast work for this function?

ryan4a said:
Anyone know if I can mirror my Nexus 6 to my TV using Chromecast without WifI? I've gotten screen casting to work through wifi direct and a miracast dongle, but I can't get Netflix to work. I don't want to stream content, just mirror my device. So would Chromecast work for this function?
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You don't need to mirror Netflix if you have a Chromecast as it has Netflix support built in and all you do is send the content to the CCast via the mobile app and the CCast takes over without needing the mobile device anymore...
And the quality will be MUCH better than anything you would get by screen casting.
But you will need internet access fr the CCast...It does nothing but boot up without one.

Asphyx said:
You don't need to mirror Netflix if you have a Chromecast as it has Netflix support built in and all you do is send the content to the CCast via the mobile app and the CCast takes over without needing the mobile device anymore...
And the quality will be MUCH better than anything you would get by screen casting.
But you will need internet access fr the CCast...It does nothing but boot up without one.
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Thanks. Ideally I want to mirror Netflix from my Nexus 6 to my TV, not stream to Chromecast. Still working on it though.

ryan4a said:
Thanks. Ideally I want to mirror Netflix from my Nexus 6 to my TV, not stream to Chromecast. Still working on it though.
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CCast won't work without Internet PERIOD!
Sure you could mirror your device but you still need Internet.
And there is no way to get to your TV without some device, a SmartTV with DLNA support (no go for Netflix), or a Chromecast with Internet.
And if you have a smart TV chances are likely you can get the netflix app and get rid of the Mobile device altogether....
Even if you could mirror Netflix will NEVER allow you to because it protects it's screen from being copied and even if they didn't do that the quality would be so horrible compared to a Smart TV app, Chromecast streaming or HDMI cable!

OP:
I was in the same boat as you, then I realized that I had an old razr laying around. So I turned on tethering with my note 3, then setup the chromecast via the razr. I can now cast and mirror my screen on the note 3.
Just have to keep the razr connected to my hotspot.

You know there is a thread here someplace where someone go tethering and CCast control working on the same device...
Might be worth a search.

brex91 said:
OP:
I was in the same boat as you, then I realized that I had an old razr laying around. So I turned on tethering with my note 3, then setup the chromecast via the razr. I can now cast and mirror my screen on the note 3.
Just have to keep the razr connected to my hotspot.
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Brex need a bit of clarification. Note 3 has carrier data. Razr does NOT have carrier data. Chromecast not connected to internet.
You turn on the Note 3 hotspot - Connect the Razr to the Note 3 hotspot. Open the Chromecast App on the Razr to connect to the Chromecast. Activate Cast Screen on the Note 3 - now can cast the Note 3 screen to the Chromecast. Is this correct?
Thanks in Advance - DJC

I have since sold my chromecast, but you are essentially right, but once set up, I did not have to do anything with the razr, i just keep it on and plugged in behind my tv.
Of course I have unlimited data, so that didn't bother me, if you are on a tiered plan, this might not be a good solution for you.
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yes, n3 has data, using carrier data, but not using any wifi, just mobile hotspot via n3.

swc2001 said:
I Just bought a Chromecast and am wondering is there a way to Mirror my Samsung galaxy s4 to Chromecast without having the Chromecast connected to a wifi source?
I know you can Mirror with the "Chromecast app" while the Chromecast is connected to a wifi source.
but that defeats the purpose to me. You see I only use my hotspot with my S4 and it will of course not allow you to use hotspot while using wifi obviously.
So I was wondering if I bought the "Allcast app" if that or something like that will allow me to Mirror with the Chromecast without having the Chromecast connected to a wifi source similar to DLNA?
Thanks so much in advance!!
P.S. If I put this thead in the wrong place I am very Sorry.
please just move it if necessary.
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I used a Sony BDPS2200 Blu-Ray player to screen mirror Netflix from my S4 to BR/TV using T-Mobile unlimited data plan. I recently thought I could continue to do so with my Nexus 6 (S4 shot craps), but only to find out not only do I need a Chromecast, but also need cable/WiFi (found that out after buying a CCast). Cannot use phone unlimited data now. Google suckered me. Contemplating going back to Samsung.
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CCast won't work without Internet PERIOD!
Sure you could mirror your device but you still need Internet.
And there is no way to get to your TV without some device, a SmartTV with DLNA support (no go for Netflix), or a Chromecast with Internet.
And if you have a smart TV chances are likely you can get the netflix app and get rid of the Mobile device altogether....
Even if you could mirror Netflix will NEVER allow you to because it protects it's screen from being copied and even if they didn't do that the quality would be so horrible compared to a Smart TV app, Chromecast streaming or HDMI cable!
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I used a Sony BDPS2200 Blu-Ray player to screen mirror Netflix (Netflix did not block) from my S4 to BR/TV using T-Mobile unlimited data plan. I recently thought I could continue to do so with my Nexus 6 (S4 shot craps), but only to find out not only do I need a Chromecast, but also need cable/WiFi (found that out after buying a CCast). Cannot use phone unlimited data now. Google suckered me. Contemplating going back to Samsung.

wwsummersjr said:
I used a Sony BDPS2200 Blu-Ray player to screen mirror Netflix (Netflix did not block) from my S4 to BR/TV using T-Mobile unlimited data plan. I recently thought I could continue to do so with my Nexus 6 (S4 shot craps), but only to find out not only do I need a Chromecast, but also need cable/WiFi (found that out after buying a CCast). Cannot use phone unlimited data now. Google suckered me. Contemplating going back to Samsung.
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If you could screen-mirror to your Blu-ray player, why can't you screen-mirror from your Nexus 6? Does the Nexus 6 no longer support Miracast? It's been built-in since late (4.2/4.3) Jellybean.
You *might* be able to use your phone's hotspot, but it depends on whether you can talk to Chromecast while simultaneously using the hotspot (ie, does your phone also look like a device on its hotspot LAN). Sometimes it requires a third device to control Chromecast.
Also, your Blu-ray player doesn't support Netflix natively??

bhiga said:
If you could screen-mirror to your Blu-ray player, why can't you screen-mirror from your Nexus 6? Does the Nexus 6 no longer support Miracast? It's been built-in since late (4.2/4.3) Jellybean.
You *might* be able to use your phone's hotspot, but it depends on whether you can talk to Chromecast while simultaneously using the hotspot (ie, does your phone also look like a device on its hotspot LAN). Sometimes it requires a third device to control Chromecast.
Also, your Blu-ray player doesn't support Netflix natively??
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The whole point is I was able to use unlimited data from Samsung Galaxy S4 phone (not hot-spot which is limited) with Netflix app on phone. Each (S4 phone and Sony BR player) had screen mirroring mode that would enable connection to my TV. If I use Netflix embedded on a blu-ray player or TV, it must have separate broadband. This is also the problem with the Google Nexus 6 and Chromecast. Must have stand alone broadband wifi (not the unlimited data on my phone).

wwsummersjr said:
The whole point is I was able to use unlimited data from Samsung Galaxy S4 phone (not hot-spot which is limited) with Netflix app on phone. Each (S4 phone and Sony BR player) had screen mirroring mode that would enable connection to my TV.
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I see on the data access part, I'm a bit confused on the BR player's involvement.
Were you screen mirroring from the S4 to the BR player?

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I see on the data access part, I'm a bit confused on the BR player's involvement.
Were you screen mirroring from the S4 to the BR player?
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Yes, I was screen mirroring from S4 to Sony BR player.

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Yes, I was screen mirroring from S4 to Sony BR player.
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I see.
I read [Q] Nexus 6 Miracast? to find (surprisingly) that Miracast is not available on the Nexus 6, though it does seem you can work around that. But certain apps that requires HDCP (Netflix, Hulu, etc) may be problematic.
It would work on a Chromecast, but then you can't use your phone's data connection.
If your phone can be tethered, I would try a mobile router that can share a cellular data connection like the ones from Cradlepoint and TP-Link. That assumes your provider doesn't charge you for tethering.

Turn on hotspot, connect Chromecast to hotspot, start screen casting, turn off data but leave on hotspot and it will STILL be casting without internet! Good luck!

Throw issues

Ok so I had the z2 before and had same issue for some reason the wifi video streaming to tv is bad on Sony compared to Samsung and LG. I have a Sony smart tv and I assumed it should work flawless being two Sony device and it won't work. Same problem with my new z3c anyone else having issues.
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I tried to "throw" somthing at a Samsung SmartTV yesterday. Video doesn't work, pictures and music do work most of the time. Still not very reliable the whole thing.

Miracast is great in theory but sadly still a bit unreliable, getting it to work between two devices is kind of like gambling. The fact that there are tons of different names for it also doesn't really help. And it stops working if the bootloader is unlocked.

The OP really needs to explain properly what they mean by "is bad" and "wont work": what sources, what are they expecting to see, and what happens instead.
The problem here is that "Throw" in this context could mean a number of different things if the Auto-select option (Settings > Xperia Connectivity > Throw settings) is set: DLNA, Miracast or Chromecast. The OP should disable the automatic option and try manually.
DLNA is obviously dependent on the destination device supporting the codecs of the source. Sony TVs can be quite weak with these, and depending on your model they may only support the most basic video codecs for DLNA compliance - check your TV manual.
Some source devices & apps can transcode to the best supported destination codec, or use a server app on a PC to do this in the background or on the fly. Try apps like BubbleUPnP to test this.
On the other hand, Chromecast (& Cast screen) works very well with the Z3C if DLNA is flakey ...

I got it to work I just had to keep on disconnect and reconnect wifi on the phone. also I meant not working as it won't connect to the TV as dlna and the tv is a Sony is w850 so that's not the problem as my previous Samsung and LG phone worked instantly the Sony seem to take longer.
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