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Hello P880 community.
This post has the purpose to put together a group of users / developers, who are willing to participate into bringing a different set of roms into our community.
These set of roms that I'm thinking, can range from complete Sense ports to more customized and maybe less popular roms (like ColorOS, LiGux, FlymeOS, FluidUI, etc..).
What's valid on this thread:
- CM / AOSP (any base we already have) themed (like Samsung TouchUI, Optimus, Blur, etc..). So you can grab any rom (with author authorization), theme it (i mean, not just shove an apk as default theme, I mean neat theming ).
- Ports from other devices (evert port needs to have clear authors permission to port it).
- All users are very welcome, everyone can participate, users with porting / developing skills are needed as well.
The idea is simple, we're not going to use this thread to post the work, this is just a thread to talk about possible projects.
We can start by listing which devices are hardware compatible and the port is "easily" possible.
Roms that can be used as a base for eventual future ports.
CM10.2 - thanks to laufersteppenwolf for compiling this build promptly for this purpose
http://goo.im/devs/laufersteppenwolf/CM10.2//cm-10.2-20140305-UNOFFICIAL-p880.zip
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I strongly recommend the use of MultiRom for testing ports and other roms. That way you can maintain your working rom and whenver feeling adventurous you can without going through the hassle of backup / restore / yada yada yada that we are all too familiar with.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655988
- - List of Devices with hardware similar / close / identical to the 4X - -
- HTC One X
- HTC One X +
- More ??
- Possible roms to port:
Right now would be nice to see a OEM rom, such a touchwiz or Sense
Work in Progress
N/A available
(awaiting sugestions
So, what do you guys think? ? Any users with good porting skills ? I know we have good developers! Ideas? Sugestions?
Write away
A few guides from XDA - They may not be all you need to get the job done, but a LOT of important information is written here. Don't forget to thanks their authors
Guides / Tutorials
How to Port Roms by @saywhatt
How to Port Manufacturer Rom. by @GalaxyUser
How to port Stock/GB/CM7/CM9/ICS/CM10/JB Based ROMs by @Peteragent5
PS - Every work that is possible to port and if someone decides to invest time in it, it needs explicit authors permission.
Sure if a few people want a particular rom i can bring it to our device, but i would much prefer helping first time rom builders do this own their own then they can maintain it also
JoinTheRealms said:
Sure if a few people want a particular rom i can bring it to our device, but i would much prefer helping first time rom builders do this own their own then they can maintain it also
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Well, I though about some sort of "voting" to bring a "specific" rom.
Personally, I'd love to have Sense on our device. I had two HTC's before and I miss that Sense interface :b
But far as I'm aware, isn't an easy thing to port.
About your offer, this thread stands mostly with learning. The idea is everyone being able to contribute and more users start bringing roms as their first times. So, thank you so much for lending your help and know how, I'm sure we'll have a fine list of possible ports and then we can talk about how to port them over
Everyone can ask for help and the idea is to everyone who is able to - help.
I like the idea of this thread, but what would also be quite usefull is a list of available ROMs and their maintainer(s).
Also the list should include ROMs someone is working on ATM, so it cannot happpen that 2 devs are working on the same ROM
However, your idea is good, but porting a ROM not from sorce is quite hard, and might need some smali "hacking" in order to resolve bugs.
But well, we're a community, and I guess we can help each other if needed, right
laufersteppenwolf said:
I like the idea of this thread, but what would also be quite usefull is a list of available ROMs and their maintainer(s).
Also the list should include ROMs someone is working on ATM, so it cannot happpen that 2 devs are working on the same ROM
However, your idea is good, but porting a ROM not from sorce is quite hard, and might need some smali "hacking" in order to resolve bugs.
But well, we're a community, and I guess we can help each other if needed, right
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That's correct! :good:
The main point is to learn helping each other who knows in a month or so, today's whiners are tomorrow's contributors
Jokes aside, the first post will be edited in order to structure and add information.
I'm gonna start with compatible devices (the ones that allow porting in a easy way). Ideas? Besides the HTC One X ? I'm guessing the grouper (N7 2012) besides having the same soc, doesn't have the same screen...
PS - (this would be better with an experienced porter) - Maybe we could start with a easy one, and go on from there
I know we have "how to port" threads all around xda ,but each port is different so we can't use "one hat to fit them all" ... or a ring to rule them all, so we should treat each port differently.
However.. I'm gonna put some xda links about porting to bring some light into the matter for who is "new" on this subject... or for whom's feeling adventurous and can't wait to have "their" rom on "our" device
Oh yes finally, have been waiting for a thread like this for a long time me as well would love to see a sense rom on this phone
cm/aosp roms are not that hard to port most of the time u only need the same screen resolution for it to work. (ported a nexus s touchwiz rom over to my old lg optimus 2x) but would have loved to see some oem roms ported over as well, even though it would be a lot harder to port over. but as a wonderful community as this is we might be able to pull it off
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That's correct! :good:
The main point is to learn helping each other who knows in a month or so, today's whiners are tomorrow's contributors
Jokes aside, the first post will be edited in order to structure and add information.
I'm gonna start with compatible devices (the ones that allow porting in a easy way). Ideas? Besides the HTC One X ? I'm guessing the grouper (N7 2012) besides having the same soc, doesn't have the same screen...
PS - (this would be better with an experienced porter) - Maybe we could start with a easy one, and go on from there
I know we have "how to port" threads all around xda ,but each port is different so we can't use "one hat to fit them all" ... or a ring to rule them all, so we should treat each port differently.
However.. I'm gonna put some xda links about porting to bring some light into the matter for who is "new" on this subject... or for whom's feeling adventurous and can't wait to have "their" rom on "our" device
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You can add the HOX+ to the list as well
About porting, you need to seperate it in two halfs, porting from source, and "winzipping". TBH, I'm no fas of winzipping at all, but some stuff (like sense or TW) can only be winzipped...
BTW, if you need a 2nd/3rd post, just let me know
Personally, I'd like to see a GFlex or even better, a G2 (/mini) ROM for our phone (KitKat, of course )
This thread has potential
I'm new to this forum,so i dont know whats going on about roms,i see there are few devs working full time.
I think this is the best way to go: Port ALL open source roms,such as we have already,but we need them all.
Second,make a badass kernel,with all features and customizations,possibly 3.4.
Third,and just a suggestion,Make a community ROM?
I really like this thread,and i even more like this OX4 community,you all get along,and i've missed that,i was on a forum that has no frendly people whatsoever.
And,about the roms,the idea is awesome,but i always think of the clash of clans rule,max everything out before going on a higher level.
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Regarding stock roms, it's an interesting thing, but I'm guessing stock roms are more trouble to port comparing to AOSP or CM.
I remember on the HTC Sensation forums the headaches sense brought to many developers and porters, the bunch of files that needed to be edited, kernel changes (aosp kernel is different from stock / sense kernel in that case).. so Stock roms are maybe harder to port fully.
Right now we have some apks from the G2 (lock screen, messaging, etc..), maybe someone will port some things from the Flex, but the whole base.. hum
@DeHuMaNiZeD , thanks for your reply
The other roms based of AOSP and CM, in my opinion, unless they're different (modded, themed, customized - etc..) but if not, if they are "clean" roms with no changes, then - we have them already I believe you'll agree. (Unless the idea is to test something).
A 3.4 kernel would be something, but perhaps a developer can shed some light here - what benefits would we have from a 3.4 kernel ?
A community rom is indeed long due. This thread is a different subject because it's about *several* roms, ports and tutorials, maybe you would like to create a thread here on General about that? You can start with votes (i believe it's a proper way to do it) with which base should we use (Cm, AOSP, Stock, etc..), included apps (or not), possibly aroma maybe and so on
DeHuMaNiZeD said:
This thread has potential
I'm new to this forum,so i dont know whats going on about roms,i see there are few devs working full time.
I think this is the best way to go: Port ALL open source roms,such as we have already,but we need them all.
Second,make a badass kernel,with all features and customizations,possibly 3.4.
Third,and just a suggestion,Make a community ROM?
I really like this thread,and i even more like this OX4 community,you all get along,and i've missed that,i was on a forum that has no frendly people whatsoever.
And,about the roms,the idea is awesome,but i always think of the clash of clans rule,max everything out before going on a higher level.
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Well, this sounds quite good, but the real problem is: this is a hell lot of work. Also, it needs resources. The sourcecode of a ROM is ~25-30GB. When it's compiled it's about double the size, and takes my PC (8 cores @ 4GHz) about 75Min to compile. Not to mention the time 'til the sources are Downloaded. My 500GB HDD is near to its limit very soon, so sooner or later I will need a new HDD, then I might be able to get another ROM ported, but right now, hard...
Also, why do you need a 3.4 kernel?
MidnightDevil said:
Regarding stock roms, it's an interesting thing, but I'm guessing stock roms are more trouble to port comparing to AOSP or CM.
I remember on the HTC Sensation forums the headaches sense brought to many developers and porters, the bunch of files that needed to be edited, kernel changes (aosp kernel is different from stock / sense kernel in that case).. so Stock roms are maybe harder to port fully.
Right now we have some apks from the G2 (lock screen, messaging, etc..), maybe someone will port some things from the Flex, but the whole base.. hum
@DeHuMaNiZeD , thanks for your reply
The other roms based of AOSP and CM, in my opinion, unless they're different (modded, themed, customized - etc..) but if not, if they are "clean" roms with no changes, then - we have them already I believe you'll agree. (Unless the idea is to test something).
A 3.4 kernel would be something, but perhaps a developer can shed some light here - what benefits would we have from a 3.4 kernel ?
A community rom is indeed long due. This thread is a different subject because it's about *several* roms, ports and tutorials, maybe you would like to create a thread here on General about that? You can start with votes (i believe it's a proper way to do it) with which base should we use (Cm, AOSP, Stock, etc..), included apps (or not), possibly aroma maybe and so on
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For stock ROMs to work, it's your best bet to use AOSP as your base, and then look for what's missing/broken. This, however, means you need an AOSP base first to work with. And AOSP is not always the easiest thing to get properly running.
About the benefits of an 3.4 kernel: None IMO. All you get is a higher version-number, and that's it. We actually already have some 3.4 features backported, and also tweaked the 3.1 kernel quite a lot. So the actual benefits are all in your head (well, except you count bugs as benefits )
Community ROM? Meh, what for? We have so many ROMs already, so everyone should find the one that suits him/her best
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Well, this sounds quite good, but the real problem is: this is a hell lot of work. Also, it needs resources. The sourcecode of a ROM is ~25-30GB. When it's compiled it's about double the size, and takes my PC (8 cores @ 4GHz) about 75Min to compile. Not to mention the time 'til the sources are Downloaded. My 500GB HDD is near to its limit very soon, so sooner or later I will need a new HDD, then I might be able to get another ROM ported, but right now, hard...
Also, why do you need a 3.4 kernel?
For stock ROMs to work, it's your best bet to use AOSP as your base, and then look for what's missing/broken. This, however, means you need an AOSP base first to work with. And AOSP is not always the easiest thing to get properly running.
About the benefits of an 3.4 kernel: None IMO. All you get is a higher version-number, and that's it. We actually already have some 3.4 features backported, and also tweaked the 3.1 kernel quite a lot. So the actual benefits are all in your head (well, except you count bugs as benefits )
Community ROM? Meh, what for? We have so many ROMs already, so everyone should find the one that suits him/her best
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Why dont you set up that build server,i think they're cheap atm,or someone could borrow you? It would take a lot less time and effort. that's why i think offical rom support is important,once it's merged to the build bot,its their responsibility.
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DeHuMaNiZeD said:
Why dont you set up that build server,i think they're cheap atm,or someone could borrow you? It would take a lot less time and effort. that's why i think offical rom support is important,once it's merged to the build bot,its their responsibility.
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It's not as easy as you might think
I do have access to a buildserver, however I only have 100GB as it's a shared one, so this is genious for official builds, or quick tests/ports. But it isn't ideal for the long terms.
Also, having it official doesn't mean you're done you need to update it, and also fix it when it's broken. 'cause when it's broken, it can mess up the whole build process of the buildbot
But in general, you're right, having it official does help a lot
{fd}ware said:
Does anyone of you have a link to the latest CM10.2 (Android 4.3) for our device?
It seems like it's not anymore on get.cm and I wanted to start porting a TouchWiz (Note 3) ROM to our phone when I have free time
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I can't find them either, but I'm on a tablet so I can't look properly.
@laufersteppenwolf, do you have any *spare* 4.3 build?
MidnightDevil said:
I can't find them either, but I'm on a tablet so I can't look properly.
@laufersteppenwolf, do you have any *spare* 4.3 build?
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LOL, no, I do not, but gimme a few hours and I'll have one
Syncing right now
laufersteppenwolf said:
LOL, no, I do not, but gimme a few hours and I'll have one
Syncing right now
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Thank you
{fd}ware said:
BTW, did anyone tried to port a ROM this way? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245786
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Nope, I actually never "winzipped" a ROM
Lot of things to comment on here. Very good initiative I have to admit. I'm sure I'll have more ideas as the discussion evolves.
Similar hardware: You can add HOX+ as laufer said. Very minor differences are there only.
What I would personally prefer is TouchWiz, at least Nature UX 2.0, but new S5 UI is also really awesome. I liked Sense till 4.5, but 5.0+ versions are now out of my 'inner circles'. Especially what I don't like is the UI.
Few suggestions:
FlymeOS (from Meizu MX) - I got 2.0 booting last summer, but had touchkey issues (they were freezing the device lol) and never released it. Nobody ever booted 2.0+ on other Android devices yet.
Porting LG roms might be the best start, I think porting full Optimus G system wouldn't be that hard. Just a pain in the *ss merging process.
What we mainly need is same screen size (unless you wanna resizing 100+ apps ). Similar SoC is a good extra, but that's very limited. Also, it's better to avoid Qualcomm SoCs to port from, it's extremely hard, there are a lot of code changes in low-level code which just make the device get into deep segfault cycles. :cyclops: Even Exynos is easier to port from, trust me. I got SGS3 leaked 4.2 booting on the O4X last autumn.
Big issue we have to note: In 4.2, Google radically changed graphics libraries code. We have old, 4.1.2 blobs and those need hacks in libgui.so and libsurfaceflinger.so to function properly (in 4.4+ libEGL.so, libGLES_v1_CM.so and libGLES_v2.so also need a change). Here comes the problem: Manufacturers do change these libraries, mainly adding Wi-Fi display and HDMI support code which other blobs rely on. Of course we can't just replace these libs, graphics wouldn't function that way. Either we have to guess those function signatures and reimplement some stub in the code, or use new blobs, i.e. what I did in Omni. But y'all now those are not perfect _yet_.
Regarding newer kernels: If, I emphasize, IF it's properly ported, it would cause a noticeable effect on overall performance, battery life, etc. What do I mean by proper porting: All machine-specific code must be updated to Nvidia/Google upstream, no excuses! I don't say anything for sure, I didn't check it much, but kholk didn't do this merge. His kernel still uses 3.1 files with slight modifications to be 3.4-compatible. What I mean would be a very long and painful process, but would surely benefit after all. 3.4 has no Android branch, mainline Nvidia Tegra kernel does only have Linux support, it might be even harder. 3.10 is maintained by Google for Android, issues I have found so far: No graphics driver support for T2 and T3, have to forward-port it and I didn't find core Android components like wakelocks, earlysuspend, etc. Weird.
A little related story: I initially started working on MultiROM so I can test and port different roms while I can keep a stable rom for myself and there'd be no need for reflash then. That's what I can suggest. Use MultiROM, it has so many capabilities! Maybe it's better with kernel sharing so you don't have to wait for hardboot on every reboot (which one needs a lot if porting). @MidnightDevil you could add this to the OP maybe.
MidnightDevil said:
I can't find them either, but I'm on a tablet so I can't look properly.
@laufersteppenwolf, do you have any *spare* 4.3 build?
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Here you are! Compiled this because wanted to start porting from Note 2, but finally worked on Omni more and abandoned it.
{fd}ware said:
BTW, did anyone tried to port a ROM this way? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245786
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That's way too generic unfortunately.
Quick suggestion for you port: Use Note 2 base with Note 3 features. Note 2 has the same resolution and you won't need to resize.
Adam77Root said:
Lot of things to comment on here. Very good initiative I have to admit. I'm sure I'll have more ideas as the discussion evolves.
Similar hardware: You can add HOX+ as laufer said. Very minor differences are there only.
What I would personally prefer is TouchWiz, at least Nature UX 2.0, but new S5 UI is also really awesome. I liked Sense till 4.5, but 5.0+ versions are now out of my 'inner circles'. Especially what I don't like is the UI.
Few suggestions:
FlymeOS (from Meizu MX) - I got 2.0 booting last summer, but had touchkey issues (they were freezing the device lol) and never released it. Nobody ever booted 2.0+ on other Android devices yet.
Porting LG roms might be the best start, I think porting full Optimus G system wouldn't be that hard. Just a pain in the *ss merging process.
What we mainly need is same screen size (unless you wanna resizing 100+ apps ). Similar SoC is a good extra, but that's very limited. Also, it's better to avoid Qualcomm SoCs to port from, it's extremely hard, there are a lot of code changes in low-level code which just make the device get into deep segfault cycles. :cyclops: Even Exynos is easier to port from, trust me. I got SGS3 leaked 4.2 booting on the O4X last autumn.
Big issue we have to note: In 4.2, Google radically changed graphics libraries code. We have old, 4.1.2 blobs and those need hacks in libgui.so and libsurfaceflinger.so to function properly (in 4.4+ libEGL.so, libGLES_v1_CM.so and libGLES_v2.so also need a change). Here comes the problem: Manufacturers do change these libraries, mainly adding Wi-Fi display and HDMI support code which other blobs rely on. Of course we can't just replace these libs, graphics wouldn't function that way. Either we have to guess those function signatures and reimplement some stub in the code, or use new blobs, i.e. what I did in Omni. But y'all now those are not perfect _yet_.
Regarding newer kernels: If, I emphasize, IF it's properly ported, it would cause a noticeable effect on overall performance, battery life, etc. What do I mean by proper porting: All machine-specific code must be updated to Nvidia/Google upstream, no excuses! I don't say anything for sure, I didn't check it much, but kholk didn't do this merge. His kernel still uses 3.1 files with slight modifications to be 3.4-compatible. What I mean would be a very long and painful process, but would surely benefit after all. 3.4 has no Android branch, mainline Nvidia Tegra kernel does only have Linux support, it might be even harder. 3.10 is maintained by Google for Android, issues I have found so far: No graphics driver support for T2 and T3, have to forward-port it and I didn't find core Android components like wakelocks, earlysuspend, etc. Weird.
A little related story: I initially started working on MultiROM so I can test and port different roms while I can keep a stable rom for myself and there'd be no need for reflash then. That's what I can suggest. Use MultiROM, it has so many capabilities! Maybe it's better with kernel sharing so you don't have to wait for hardboot on every reboot (which one needs a lot if porting). @MidnightDevil you could add this to the OP maybe.
Here you are! Compiled this because wanted to start porting from Note 2, but finally worked on Omni more and abandoned it.
That's way too generic unfortunately.
Quick suggestion for you port: Use Note 2 base with Note 3 features. Note 2 has the same resolution and you won't need to resize.
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Dang, you've beaten me but mine's as fresh as it could be
HERE you guys go, for all who need the newest CM10.2
laufersteppenwolf said:
Dang, you've beaten me but mine's as fresh as it could be
HERE you guys go, for all who need the newest CM10.2
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Just don't delete the sources, you might need them in the close future.
I think we should create a schedule about what to do. As you all know, good buildings all have good grounding. So let's get started from the very beginning I say. First fix remaining bugs in MultiROM, then create a unified kernel so users don't have to choose. Very likely this is not possible as people think different so just make all kernels hardboot compatible. After these we have a solid base for starting all the work. Of course this cannot be done if not everybody is involved. Both devs and users should share a part in this magnificent journey.
(High expectations, I know. )
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Is it just me or have the custom ROMs gotten boring. All of them are the same now. There is nothing really setting them apart anymore they all have the same features the same ui. Yes I know its KitKat but it really. Where is the difference.
Make one brotha! Stock based roms are pretty snappy as is and most devs have moved on to newer devices at this point. I'm still on Negaman's latest.
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Make one brotha! Stock based roms are pretty snappy as is and most devs have moved on to newer devices at this point. I'm still on Negaman's latest.
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I have built plenty ROMs. And on two teams. I'm not a TW user. I've used nega rom seen issues with it and didnt like the theme but that was my own opinion.
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Then my question to you is if you are capable of building your own rom.....the way you would like it for yourself, why complain that they are all the same? Why not build your own that could be very much different.....with the performance and the theming to fit your own taste. It really is as simple as that.
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Then my question to you is if you are capable of building your own rom.....the way you would like it for yourself, why complain that they are all the same? Why not build your own that could be very much different.....with the performance and the theming to fit your own taste. It really is as simple as that.
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Look I'm not here to get slammed by people I was just putting it out there to find out from other people if they felt the same.
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Look I'm not here to get slammed by people I was just putting it out there to find out from other people if they felt the same.
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I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. The only difference is they keep their whiny, disrespectful opinions to themselves.
We have a great group of developers here who spend tons of their unpaid personal time to put out some awesome roms. If their products don't meet your personal needs, make your own REMOVED.
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I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. The only difference is they keep their whiny, disrespectful opinions to themselves.
We have a great group of developers here who spend tons of their unpaid personal time to put out some awesome roms. If their products don't meet your personal needs, make your own REMOVED.
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I agree. The roms available all seem too alike. Most have bugs. And if not they seem to lack features id put in standard.. i am not a rom dev.. but have been working on my own. It will be a compilation of miui aosp and aome cherry picks. But again.. its gonna be the same base.. what can i do to make mine different? We're all stuck using either samsungs crap base or cm... I'm getting discouraged. :'(
Why Android is so awesome
The beauty of Android is the ability to make it any way you like. It has already been said, but I would like to reinforce this idea. ROMs are all very similar because the MAJORITY of people have the same basic requirements from their phones. This means that the feature set that most people demand is very similar, and therefore the features offered in the various ROMs will be similar as well.
The people who make ROMs that are overly different from the 'normal' do it primarily for their own benefit, and their specific needs are not often shared by others. So these "unique" ROMs never really get out because there isn't a demand for them.
I personally have done many of my own "purpose-built" ROMs that go outside the normal, but posting them wouldn't make much sense, because the things that are different are not needed by other people. Also, supporting a COMMUNITY of people who use your ROM is much harder than supporting yourself. I can make ROM changes for myself, but I absolutely do not have time to try to upkeep a ROM thread. The work that those guys put in is INCREDIBLE. Making a ROM work for one person on one phone in one configuration is trivial compared to trying to roll out a mass-compatible distribution. The only ROMs that are worth that kind of time are the ROMs that suit the needs of many, not the needs of few. Therefore, the ROMs that are distributed online are all seeking to fill the same basic roles.
As to how you can make your ROM unique, that is like asking how to make a car unique. First you have to decide what you want. Do you want a race car (speed)? Do you want amazing gas mileage (battery life)? Does it need to be street legal (compatibility)? Do you care about color (theme)? Do you need a great sound system (music player)?
I think you begin to see what I mean. You can make a ROM unique in many ways, but you have to figure out what you want from the ROM before you can figure out what the ROM needs to be like.
You also mentioned that many ROMs are buggy. Get used to it. Especially if you are going to start building your own. I don't mean to sound harsh, but that is the nature of the game. If you want maximum stability, go back to stock. Everything has a trade-off. If you want great features, you will have to work through the glitches. I am not saying that a "perfect" ROM is impossible, but be prepared to put in the time. The ROM devs around here do everything they can, but ultimately they also have full-time jobs doing other things. If each of the custom ROMs on this forum had the 500 man full-time dev team that Samsung has, the ROMs would be just as stable. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
Welcome to the world of Android, my friend. Have fun building!
I feel like that was completely unnecessary and very untrue. Ive ran several 'stable' AOSP/CM roms and the one im building is quite stable thank you.
A base is just a base. The features i add are always in demand. And some may or may not be activated upon flashing. Thats up to the user to
decide. imo this whole conversation seems to lure in bashers. All i did was ask for some simple advice. Ill take my leave now.
Daisflaque said:
I feel like that was completely unnecessary and very untrue. Ive ran several 'stable' AOSP/CM roms and the one im building is quite stable thank you.
A base is just a base. The features i add are always in demand. And some may or may not be activated upon flashing. Thats up to the user to
decide. imo this whole conversation seems to lure in bashers. All i did was ask for some simple advice. Ill take my leave now.
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I just want to say that I meant no disrespect! And I am very happy you have a stable ROM. All I was suggesting is that I would guess you have had some bumps in the road along the way. I am confident that you have worked through them, or are in the process of doing so, but I would wager to bet that in the future you will run into more bumps. You will fix them and all will be good.
I am simply trying to point out that in the process of adding new features, often we encounter issues, bugs, glitches, etc. If you haven't, then I think you are extremely lucky and in a league of your own as far as programming goes. Far above me and many others.
And if the features you add are always in demand, then I propose that you are adding features that are similar to what many others are adding. I could be wrong, but I feel that to meet the demands of the masses it is easy to fall into a trail that closely parallels others. There are certain unique differences, but in the end I think that this is why ROMs are similar today.
Anyway, please know that I meant you no disrespect or flame. I was just trying to explain my perspective on why there was not as much variation as we would all like, and why occasionally someone discovers a bug.
Very well written. And well said. Yes theres always a problem when adding/removing features.. but the point is to release when its stable/feature rich. Anyways. I thank you for the input. And soon DUI (DaisUI) will hit xda servers.
cuz aosp is aosp no matter how u look at it. differences are kernels.. updated toolchains.. and customizations... like nameless roms otg mode.. pretty neat.. or sokps dolby audio... its easy to cherry pick stuff u like about roms n drop them into cm... rom devs really just making stuff THEY like n sharing with us
I have just moved from sprint s3 to s4. Was a huge fan of m.o.a.r., wicked sensations, and wicked x. For their customized everything. I am NOT a programmer so please don't slam me. But most of the roms I have seen for the s4 are kind of vanilla. Are there any roms like wicked out there for s4 or is it time to learn to do it myself?
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I have just moved from sprint s3 to s4. Was a huge fan of m.o.a.r., wicked sensations, and wicked x. For their customized everything. I am NOT a programmer so please don't slam me. But most of the roms I have seen for the s4 are kind of vanilla. Are there any roms like wicked out there for s4 or is it time to learn to do it myself?
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You can try out negalite
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dead forum is dead forum.. can't really complain considering how dead development for the device really is.. i think there are too many phones these days being released which does has an impact on how much modding happens. i remember the days of the ppc-6700/touchpro/2/etc and how those devices even after years there was tons of active stuff going on (and those were WM devices lol). now the peak of most devices tend to be 6 months before people seem to lose interest and they upgrade to the next phone with barely any improvements. i tend to stick to a phone for at least 2 to maybe 3 gens before i swap. currently i'm on the S4 and skipped the S5 because how lackluster it is.. will wait to see how the S6 looks like, but i think the S4 will be my last samsung for a while.. my eyes are set on the Xperia Z3 coming out to sprint this fall. samsung seems to be stuck in the plastic shell generation after generation.. well this is a whole other topic
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dead forum is dead forum.. can't really complain considering how dead development for the device really is.. i think there are too many phones these days being released which does has an impact on how much modding happens. i remember the days of the ppc-6700/touchpro/2/etc and how those devices even after years there was tons of active stuff going on (and those were WM devices lol). now the peak of most devices tend to be 6 months before people seem to lose interest and they upgrade to the next phone with barely any improvements. i tend to stick to a phone for at least 2 to maybe 3 gens before i swap. currently i'm on the S4 and skipped the S5 because how lackluster it is.. will wait to see how the S6 looks like, but i think the S4 will be my last samsung for a while.. my eyes are set on the Xperia Z3 coming out to sprint this fall. samsung seems to be stuck in the plastic shell generation after generation.. well this is a whole other topic
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S3 seems to be running strong still. Had I not dropped mine, I would have stayed with it.
Which rom are you running on your S4
I found Negalite and really like it... but it looks like its dead too.
You guys know there is a Unified Development forum for the S4 right? Most non-TW ROMs have moved to there.
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You guys know there is a Unified Development forum for the S4 right? Most non-TW ROMs have moved to there.
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For some reason that sub forum doesn't work with Tapatalk for me, always wants to open in chrome. Anyone else experience this or know why it happens?
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For some reason that sub forum doesn't work with Tapatalk for me, always wants to open in chrome. Anyone else experience this or know why it happens?
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Redirects don't work on mobile apps. The real thread is located in the International Galaxy S4 section. Here is the real thread if you want to subscribe in Tapatalk http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/unified-development
Hi guys,
I know its really hard to create a new ROM and updating it and giving to users. But since the launch of Android 5.0 Lollipop I don't find difference between all major ROMs.
If there is difference, it is of the Bugs. Some ROMs got big bugs and some with small bugs. But rest is same. The looks the feel, everything same (Except MIUI - which is not on Android 5.0).
I have tried almost all of them. Thanks to all the devs. But my question is there any ROM which is unique???
I am getting same functions in all of them with same looks Even they are same in smoothness and working.
The difference is created by Cyanogen ROMs with theme engine, but now all ROMs now include that theme engine. So we are basically using the same ROM everywhere.
At the moment I am using DirtyUnicorn and I don't want to change because all the ROMs are same.
Is there any ROM which is unique??????? Any?????
Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
gautam.is.sharma said:
Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
See I do agree with you. Most roms are pretty similar when compared to back in the days of A4.2.
What I think is more important is the choice of kernel. Allowing the ability to over/underclock and control voltages automatically and many other things. I think learning how to use a kernel and it's various governers is what will separate phones.
I dont know why so little roms have cm profiles. It's a feature that have much more benefits than any theme engine
I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
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What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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So let me get this straight. You think coping is ok yet dont like that all the roms "seem" the same to you?
IOS is more Android?
Your right their environment is different. They dont care what users want or say.
Cm is not even worth mentioning anymore really. They are fast becoming just as big a joke as MIUI in the android world. No one with any real thoughts of their own even use their roms anymore.
The problem is that we all think that the developers actually develop something.
The matter of the fact is that they only tinker with what Google gave them.
So I wouldn't hold my breath for a sense like rom that has its own framework.
No one has got time for that. Big things come from big companies. Or maybe from a team of good friends.
A long time a go a bunch of people gave us Theme Engine, Hybrid Mode, Profiles, PIE, Heads-up, Immersive mode and lots of stuff that was new at the time. I really believe that the creative process is, has been and will be strong on XDA - Developers... but i agree with the OP albeit for different reasons.
I think that as technology, products or processes are understood better, being innovative, creative or "disruptive" becomes harder:
1.- We (the consumer) demand a series of features that become standarized which tramples innovation
2.-And there is the thing with the source material P.E. There is so much a thinkerer can do with a hammer a 2x4 and a couple of nails... Same with android.
3.- As a technology matures the innovation rate diminishes. Look at clocks, TV, videogames or smartphones! Every year there are new models, but little game changing technology even when there are hundred of people working on with, fully paid and with the backing of big companies.
Science and technology advance is not linear... I think that we are on a low point on ROM innovation but to me, that only means that soon somebody will come up with something new and great.
Android roms are same?
Yes they are with a little difference in each and every rom ..coz they are built from the same mother source...AOSP...
Google itself builds it factory images from aosp with touch of google changes...
Every oem uses the aosp and modifies it to make sense, touchwiz, zenui etc etc...
Things have certainly changed in past few years when we only had cm pa pac man ..
Now we have 100s of options ..some developers even kind enough to merge our 'wanted' changes in their rom.
So instead of looking at this thing as 'all are same with little changes' , look it as a 'single thing with 100s of options/modifications' to exactly suit your needs.
Yes its confusing sometimes especially when you are a nexus user
Try a different oem if u want a great change on changing custom roms (migrating from touchwiz to vanilla android gives a wow feeling )
Of course they're 100 pretty much exactly the same roms out there. It's really hard to notice any difference among them. It´s all true. Also calling every room-cooker a developer is in my opinion little too much.
It's been already stated that if you want more variation is better to go for oem devices. however probably at the price of never getting fully working aosp/cm rom (unles we're talking about gpe devices). If you want variation go for flagship oems if you want to enjoy aosp go for nexus.
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Do you think all ROMs are basically same in Android 5.0??
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"Same" is a relative term like "IS".
A relative term is that it is different for different people or situations. An example: someone who is 5 feet tall might think someone who is 5 feet six inches tall is tall, but someone who is 6 feet would think that that person is short.
So I voted no, I don't think all ROM's are the same but they are definitely very similar.
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~Peace
Agreed, there does not seem to be a lot of innovation in Lollipop ROM features. I have tried Euphoria, TeamUB, crDroid, Slim, RastaPOP, OminROM and XenonHD.
So far they all have the same features. The best one really is XenonHD with its custom long press and double-tap actions on the Nav Bar buttons. This is a great carry over feature from KitKat.
All the other ROMs suck in terms of "new" features.
+1 ..
I guess after 3 4 yrs being on xda, flashing roms with different features, developers amazing us with new and unique features every few months, for me Now it all comes down to the daily use of these features
The PA per app color, pie and omni roms split screen were something that i could use as a daily driver. I really miss PA roms Pie, slimpie somehow is just isnt the same. I miss the tablet mode from PA too.
What i want as a user is a smooth stable rom with some basic tweaks that i dont find on a stock rom and less battery drain. Which i pretty much have with LiquidSmooth.
The speed of innovation has slowed down or rather there arent many more innovative things to do that can be used for daily use anymore i guess. Im not complaining here, just a thought.
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Hi all,
So just looking for opinions here...I just got my OP3T and am looking to change from the stock OOS to something else. However, I need something that functions more as a daily driver. Sure I could go LineageOS and stick with what I know from my OnePlus One, but I'm looking to try something different.
Sure I OOS Beta isn't different per se, but I like what I've got with OOS stock so far, but I personally like being on a beta...it's fun.
My experience with Paranoid Android was only with my old HP TouchPad, but what I did experience, it was very good.
So I can't decide, so I'm leaving this one up to the votes...have fun!
I've been on the Beta before, and right now I'm using PA. Personally, I prefer PA because it's so well-refined. The only thing is that you can't really use a custom kernel unless it's specifically made for AOSPA; whereas the OOS Beta you can use any stock-compatible kernel. But if you want something stable but customisable and such, I'd go with PA.
Also, OOS has the forced DM_Verity thingo and I always find that painful to fiddle around with.
What kind of amazing topic is this???
Try both buddy.
I would go for AOSPA, simply because stock Android is better than OOS and with PA you don't loose your camera
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What kind of amazing topic is this???
Try both buddy.
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Of course I'd try both...if I had the time between school, work, and traveling for work. I just want opinions from my fellow XDA folks.
Normally, I'd love to tinker with both (and I have in the past with other ROMs), but hence why I'm asking here....extreme lack of time.
Everyone is busy. And yet most of us don't need to make new threads or polls to decide what ROM to flash.
The best ROM for you isn't determined by a popularity contest. It also shouldn't be a decision left to strangers that know nothing about your preferences or how you use the phone.
In the end, how you feel about the ROM when using it, is going to be the sole determining factor about whether you like it, stay on it, etc. In light of that, asking strangers isn't much better than flipping a coin.
There are a ton of resurrection ROMs here, so somewhat feels as if you're limited to either stock or Paranoid Android. From all accounts I've heard, PA has exceptional battery performance. It's a good ROM if you aren't into heavy customizable features ROMs like RR bring. Carbon nightlies are out as well. If you're strapped for time. I wouldn't suggest RR or any other ROM similar. I don't usually use stock ROMs, so I can't clarify for which camera is better. I know PA camera doesn't appear to have the ability to switch between 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ration I've found that out from uploading videos to YouTube. PIE settings has been updated from your old days of using PA, but it doesn't have a ton of options allowing you to change anything. It's very barebones in my opinion. I'm not sure if that's how PA wants it or if they plan on adding more to PIE settings. PA also has a theme engine feature different from other ROMs. Once again, I'm not sure if that's correct or not. Considering nowadays I don't heavily modify my phone. Development around here seems to be stalled a bit. I guess most of the devs have got the OP5 now.
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I would go for AOSPA, simply because stock Android is better than OOS and with PA you don't loose your camera
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What is AOSPA exactly, what is it built from? I know what LineageOS is. And what do you mean by not losing camera, can you still use the official one?
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What is AOSPA exactly, what is it built from? I know what LineageOS is. And what do you mean by not losing camera, can you still use the official one?
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AOSPA = Paranoid Android ROM, fully CAF based
with "loosing the camera" I mean the quality. Oneplus never released their drivers for the camera. All photos taken with a custom rom are not as good as with OxygenOS. Paranoid Android Devs created own drivers resulting in excellent picture quality.
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Everyone is busy. And yet most of us don't need to make new threads or polls to decide what ROM to flash.
The best ROM for you isn't determined by a popularity contest. It also shouldn't be a decision left to strangers that know nothing about your preferences or how you use the phone.
In the end, how you feel about the ROM when using it, is going to be the sole determining factor about whether you like it, stay on it, etc. In light of that, asking strangers isn't much better than flipping a coin.
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Sure no different flipping a coin....if you have a coin that will give you some pros & cons. Hence why I asked. I've got plenty of preferences, what I like, don't like, etc. Didn't think all that is something folks want/need to read or hear...as you said and I said, we're all busy.
HOWEVER, I only ask as I want to hear what folks may have to say in terms of pros and cons here. Sure I can find that on sites all over the place, including here. I simply didn't find anything specific comparing these two ROMS here.
So no...not really a popularity contest, my bad on the wording if that came off that way. No need to get a tad salty my friend.
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Sure no different flipping a coin....if you have a coin that will give you some pros & cons. Hence why I asked. I've got plenty of preferences, what I like, don't like, etc. Didn't think all that is something folks want/need to read or hear...as you said and I said, we're all busy.
HOWEVER, I only ask as I want to hear what folks may have to say in terms of pros and cons here. Sure I can find that on sites all over the place, including here. I simply didn't find anything specific comparing these two ROMS here.
So no...not really a popularity contest, my bad on the wording if that came off that way. No need to get a tad salty my friend.
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Paranoid android definitely for me..I used OOS, and all other ROMs..settled with either paranoid or vertex
PacoL250 said:
Sure no different flipping a coin....if you have a coin that will give you some pros & cons. Hence why I asked. I've got plenty of preferences, what I like, don't like, etc. Didn't think all that is something folks want/need to read or hear...as you said and I said, we're all busy.
HOWEVER, I only ask as I want to hear what folks may have to say in terms of pros and cons here. Sure I can find that on sites all over the place, including here. I simply didn't find anything specific comparing these two ROMS here.
So no...not really a popularity contest, my bad on the wording if that came off that way. No need to get a tad salty my friend.
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lol
Paranoid is a great ROM .. definitely worth trying...PHAEX is also very good and feels very different cause of EAS..
but imao OOS is better battery optimised..
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PacoL250 said:
So no...not really a popularity contest, my bad on the wording if that came off that way. No need to get a tad salty my friend.
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Nothing "salty" was posted by me. There is nothing insulting to you, or even close. Just stated basic facts. But I do find it frustrating when folks resort to insinuating that they were somehow insulted or slighted, when someone merely points out simple truths they didn't want to hear.
You're still missing the whole point. The "pros and cons" are completely subjective (and not objective) between one user and another. The whole point in having all these ROMs, is so you can find one that works best for you as an individual.
By setting up a "majority rules" type poll, you are also robbing yourself of potentially finding the "hidden gems". I've had instances where the ROM that worked best for me, was not one that was particularly popular. And also instances where the most popular ROMs caused me some problems; not due to any fault of the ROM per se; but more due to the nuances of my particular local cell provider.
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Nothing "salty" was posted by me. There is nothing insulting to you, or even close. Just stated basic facts. But I do find it frustrating when folks resort to insinuating that they were somehow insulted or slighted, when someone merely points out simple truths they didn't want to hear.
You're still missing the whole point. The "pros and cons" are completely subjective (and not objective) between one user and another. The whole point in having all these ROMs, is so you can find one that works best for you as an individual.
By setting up a "majority rules" type poll, you are also robbing yourself of potentially finding the "hidden gems". I've had instances where the ROM that worked best for me, was not one that was particularly popular. And also instances where the most popular ROMs caused me some problems; not due to any fault of the ROM per se; but more due to the nuances of my particular local cell provider.
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Sorry, it just came off that way. I was a tad surprised since you've been pretty helpful elsewhere as I've seen. No harm, no foul. :good:
I'm not completely missing the point since I've narrowed it down to OOS Beta or PA. I've looked at others and these are the two that I've narrowed it down (based on videos, posts others have made here and elsewhere, etc.). I've worked with LineageOS on my OnePlus One, but I need something that's just a bit more stable.
I'm sure when I have the time, I'll take a look at others, but I'd prefer not having to keep switching between ROMs if I can help it.
Perhaps maybe I'll have to...who knows.
I just switch back to open beta from PA. They're both very good ROMs. Honestly, you can't go wrong.
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I just switch back to open beta from PA. They're both very good ROMs. Honestly, you can't go wrong.
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So would u recommend PA or PAEX?
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So would u recommend PA or PAEX?
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Haven't tried PAEX. I've only run stock, beta, and PA on my 3T. Maybe, I'll try it next...
is it only me or pa has some weird lag/choppy video recording ?
I know its pretty retarded asking something like this given that this phone now has pie. But recently, with dropped CMTE support and other ROMs managing to LOOK exactly identical, I don't see any other way for the phone to be themed in any way. Plus, the specs list kitkat as the launch OS, so onto the question: is there not a single CM11 rom for victara?
Also, at this point, the material look has gotten so bland that I'd rather not care about the security and no, Substratum based solutions are wayy too complicated for my likes.
P.s : I honestly dunno if im posting in the right forums so mods help me. (No pun intended)
ah unfortunate. Time to do some serious reading I guess... Never too late to learn the ways of the source. Thanks anyways.