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Just wondering, I found these:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...t_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
They are the correct micro USB charging units, but they are designed for Blackberry smartphones...Will these properly and safely charge our HD2's?
I love the folding plug design.

Hello Free Man:
FWIW..I had purchased one of these exact items from amazon. Haven't used it yet but I read the backpanel and the output is 5v @ 700ma. If you look at the backpanel specs for the wall charger shipped with your unit from HTC it'll show 5v @ 1A on the output. So the unit will work but will take slightly longer, I think.
Take Care

Well as long as it is safe to use, mine should be here in a few days. I would think it would simply take 30% longer to do a full charge and I am only really using the unit to charge overnight when on the road in hotels, so that is really not an issue as a full charge only takes a short time.
Anyone else want to step in and comment on the lower rating?

You are correct, this charger will take longer to fully charge the battery.
Just like charging from a PC USB port takes even longer since that only provides 500mA maximum.

It is absolutely safe to use chargers with lower ampere rating, the downside is that you will either get longer charge time it your device won't charge at all. But nothing will burn or explode.

So you are saying my device will charge safely, just take 30% longer? You mentioned something about it not charging at all, why would it not charge?
Will this shorten the batter life or anything to that affect? Thanks!
vangrieg said:
It is absolutely safe to use chargers with lower ampere rating, the downside is that you will either get longer charge time it your device won't charge at all. But nothing will burn or explode.
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Free Man said:
So you are saying my device will charge safely, just take 30% longer? You mentioned something about it not charging at all, why would it not charge?
Will this shorten the batter life or anything to that affect? Thanks!
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It may not charge at all if the device you are charging needs a certain amount of amperage in order to charge the battery.
No, this will not affect the battery life or anything to that affect.

Thanks, I plugged it in and charged it for 3 minutes and it did begin charging from 69 to 80% in that period, so it works fine and is quite fast. This battery charges fast in my experience.

Streak car charger

Just got a griffin powerjolt micro, comes with an ipod cable so you'll have to use your own, but it charges the streak up a treat
Think it was 12 pounds from amazon.
It's designed for iPads, which need 2 amps, it's rated for 2.1 amps. Charged from 30 to 60% in 20 mins while using gps.
Hope that's useful .
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For battery life is better to charge with low amps and for a long time. I would prefer ,not to use a charger with more than 1A

i got myself te belkin 1A charger. Should work good I guess.

As mentioned in the other thread, both these two work just fine :
https://www.dealextreme.com/p/car-p...cable-charger-set-for-apple-ipad-12-24v-45227
https://www.dealextreme.com/p/car-cigarette-powered-1000ma-usb-adapter-charger-black-dc-12v-40470
$6 or $2 including free shipping worldwide. You'll need the Streak's USB cable to connect it.

Anbuch said:
For battery life is better to charge with low amps and for a long time. I would prefer ,not to use a charger with more than 1A
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The car charger does not force power into the phone, the phone draws what it needs. Using a power supply with a higher Amp rating means less strain on the charger not more power than is needed going into the phone.

Sorry for my bad English, I guess you do not understand what I mean.
You're right that the car charger with more amps does not force more power into the phone (I do not say that),but if you use a charger with more amps , charging time is less. The battery prefers long time charging with less charging amps. In fact using less charging amps ,the battery allowed to load more power (a little bit ). You can try it by using a USB port of yours computer to charge the battery.

Anbuch said:
Sorry for my bad English, I guess you do not understand what I mean.
You're right that the car charger with more amps does not force more power into the phone (I do not say that),but if you use a charger with more amps , charging time is less. The battery prefers long time charging with less charging amps. In fact using less charging amps ,the battery allowed to load more power (a little bit ). You can try it by using a USB port of yours computer to charge the battery.
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Maybe it's just me, but what you are saying is exactly the same thing.
If the charger isn't forcing more power into the phone, then the charging time will not change. If the battery is receiving less current then what it was designed, such as a low powered USB port, then it would take longer then normal to fully charge. But once the charger puts out the amount of current that the battery will normally draw, the battery will only charge at that rate. Increasing the current beyond that amount will not speed up the charging time or push more current to the battery.

brianlp said:
If the battery is receiving less current then what it was designed, such as a low powered USB port, then it would take longer then normal to fully charge. But once the charger puts out the amount of current that the battery will normally draw, the battery will only charge at that rate. Increasing the current beyond that amount will not speed up the charging time or push more current to the battery.
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Anbuch is trying to say that the battery will last longer in the first scenario - the longer, slower charge from the low powered USB port.
Quicker battery charging does degrade the cells in less time - if you were to always use a 500mA charger, you would get more life from the battery than if you were to always use the stock 1000mA charger.
You can pick up a replacement battery from eBay for $10, so none of this really matters - when your battery wears out in 18 months, just buy a new one.

Nomgle ,thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to say!
I just gave an example with a USB port. In fact a USB port and a stock 1000mA charger are save enough for the battery of a Streak (1530mA). I just wanted to say : Do not use 2100 mA charger
Flinx78 said:
.... it's rated for 2.1 amps. Charged from 30 to 60% in 20 mins while using gps....
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This will "kill" the battery very soon

Some battery reading:
Understanding lithium-ion
Charging lithium-ion batteries
How to prolong lithium-based batteries
From the last page linked:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Generally speaking, batteries live longer if treated in a gentle manner. High charge voltages, excessive charge rate and extreme load conditions will have a negative effect and shorten the battery life. This also applies to high current rate lithium-ion batteries.
Not only is it better to charge lithium-ion battery at a slower charge rate, high discharge rates also contribute the extra wear and tear.[/FONT]
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I use a black&decker converter and it has a usb port already built into it and that works pretty good for me.
Sent from the phone killer of ALL phone's, Dell Streak!

Just a question regarding charger

I just wanna ask if is it just OK to use a SAMSUNG CHAMP DUOS charger on a NOTE? Same with using a NOKIA E72 MICRO USB CABLE for PC CONNECTIVITY on a NOTE? Because when I tried it both are working fine. I am just worried that my NOTE will get damaged. I prefer DUOS' charger because it's longer same with the NOKIA E72 MICRO USB CABLE.
Thanks a lot!

Whatever charger you are make sure it should nor exceed the specification recommended by the manufacturer. For galaxy note we can use 1000 mah 5V rated output of any brand. I think we can go upto 1200 mah but this is completely at your own risk. Beyond this specifications physical damages may occur depending the exceed of limitations.
I am using HTC's charger of same specifications.
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I been using Samsung DUOS charger for couple of months. So far ok. Although, I am curious about those charger with 2Amp output. Supposingly charged faster but so sure whether will cause damaged to the Note.

It depends on the type of your charger.
The amperage only says how much electricity the charger is able to produce. If it's a fairly new charger, it'll give only as much as the device connected to it will take - and your phone won't take more than it can handle.
Any charger with usb output and proper voltage will work, unless it's amperage is below the minimum required by the phone.

The KERNEL controls the charging current.
If you are using the stock kernel, the Note only gets max. 1000mA (AC-Charging) independent of the used charger.
Charging with a 1200mA-Charger (used a Nokia) wouldn't change the charging time due to the limitation.
As long as the charger obeys the USB-specifications, you shouldn't hurt your Note no matter of USB or AC.
Regards

battery charging takes three things:
a) a charging source (your USB or car "charger")
b) a charge controller (inside the device)
c) a battery
* A fixed voltage charging source cannot push current into a device, it has a current capability.
* A battery will only accept the current that it desires to charge to its full state.
* The terminal voltage of a battery for full charge is determined by its chemistry.
* Control of charging profile and current limiting is done by a charge controller...
The microUSB connections are rated at 1A max, the charge controller will limit the charge current to this...hence the comment by Thor, and there is no downside to plugging in a charging source that has a 2A capability...just dont assume you are getting 2A out of it
safilo said:
I been using Samsung DUOS charger for couple of months. So far ok. Although, I am curious about those charger with 2Amp output. Supposingly charged faster but so sure whether will cause damaged to the Note.
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Am Confused..you guys pointing that whatever the amperage is supplied to our device, it consume (charge rate per hour) only what it has been designed?????
If so why am I getting faster charge time when I use my car charger??? My car charger rating is 1250mah..if I employ my car charger my phone gets full charge in less than 2 hrs from single digit battery % left!!! How is this happening??
Upto my knowledge 1 amp of current will take 1hr to charge 1 amp rating battery. Here our device is 2.5amp so it takes 2.5 hrs for full charge by 1amp supplied current. If amperage rating increased duration will be reduced. Normally kernels controls overcharging...but does it controls amperage rating?? I don't think so.
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thor2001 said:
Charging with a 1200mA-Charger (used a Nokia) wouldn't change the charging time due to the limitation.
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Then why am I getting faster charge with a car charger??
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I think you will find that the car charger is not of such as table voltage as the mains supply. Generally car voltages can vary from about 13 Volts to 15 Volts (with the engine running). I am not sure that the car charger regulates this very well (I have seen the same with other devices). If so, it may well be providing more than 5 Volts.
In this case, that is the only way you could possibly damage the battery. I do not believe the Note itself would be damaged. I also do not think it would be noticeable over a short time, but only over a long time.

that is not how charging works...
a) charge acceptance in a battery is non-linear
b) amps*time is not equal to stored charge Ahr.. that would assume 100% efficiency.. and such is not the case. (that would assume zero internal resistance and so a battery would not get even warm if it was 100% efficient at converting incoming charge current to stored charge).
c) your car charger may or may not have a higher current capability than a desk charger.. my samsung charger charges at 750mA max.. my high output charger charges at 925mA max so one charger charges faster than another...
d) If by some lack or variation in calibration you are constantly able to charge at higher currents than the contacts are rated for, expect issues with the microUSB contacts over time..
There is a good reason why every manufacturer specifies and only warrants their devices to be used with their companion chargers.
You certainly dont need to take my word for any of this, the web is there for you to do your own research.
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Am Confused..you guys pointing that whatever the amperage is supplied to our device, it consume (charge rate per hour) only what it has been designed?????
If so why am I getting faster charge time when I use my car charger??? My car charger rating is 1250mah..if I employ my car charger my phone gets full charge in less than 2 hrs from single digit battery % left!!! How is this happening??
Upto my knowledge 1 amp of current will take 1hr to charge 1 amp rating battery. Here our device is 2.5amp so it takes 2.5 hrs for full charge by 1amp supplied current. If amperage rating increased duration will be reduced. Normally kernels controls overcharging...but does it controls amperage rating?? I don't think so.
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jeromepearce said:
If so, it may well be providing more than 5 Volts.
In this case, that is the only way you could possibly damage the battery.
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Regarding voltage I checked with a multimeter (a good professional one) it shows around 4.937- 4.982 V. And yes I know that this type of charging would affect battery.. But it's less expensive than the device so I didn't care.
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Mystic38 said:
that is not how charging works...
a) charge acceptance in a battery is non-linear
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Thanks for re calling my studies at school..now I remember I learnt this year's back..
But still I need further more clarification..
I wonder when I use my device hardly battery doesn't get hot at all.. Only the above portion were the camera rest get hot so is this means efficiency of battery is good and that heat us produced because of processor and other functioning parts? Whereas my older device's battery gets heated when I use heavy. Did I Get right?
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Charger AMP question.

Hi everyone.
I recently got the Xperia Z and noticed the original charger packs a 1500mAh speed (which got me confused because I thought AMP referred to charging speed), but anyhow. I also bought a power bank (external backup battery) and the thing has 2 ports, 5V 1AMP and another 5V 2.1AMP. So I was wondering if the Z can take the 2.1AMP speed without damaging the battery. What do you guys think?
Thanks.

You won't harm it instantly no. Over time, yes.
The battery lives better if you charge it slowly, I charge mine with 500mA when I go to bed. I'd use the 2ma if you were really rushed.
My Stock charger is 1800mA btw. (Dock)

The phone will automatically limit the charging current (amperage), so the battery won't be charged too fast even if you use a 2A charger. I do not know at what amperage the XZ limits the current, but I suppose it's somewhere around the 1500mA of the standard charger.
On the other hand, charging with very low currents may also damage the battery. I read somewhere that prolonged use of a charger with less capacity than around 0.5c (c=the capacity of the battery; 2330mA) might be bad for the battery. Therefore it isn't recommended to only use the USB port of your computer (500mA).
So, for repeated use over long periods of time, a charger with a capacity of over 1165mA (0.5c) is recommended.

Well I don't know what to believe anymore :x

You can safely charge with almost any trusted-brand MicroUSB charger. As long as it's not broken or a cheap chinese knock-off or anything like that. It will output only as much as the phone will accept.
EDIT: 2.1AMP (as you state it) is 2100mA (milliamperes). That's it's current output. It does not refer to "speed" per se, but a battery will charge faster with a higher output charger. A 1000mAh battery will charge from 0 to 100% in one hour if you use a 1000mA charger. Or in half an hour with a 2000mA charger. That's the theory.
In reality, phones and batteries will have safety circuits that limit the charging current so that the battery won't get damaged. It simply will not charge faster than what's safe. If, say, our XZ is limited at 1500mA, then it won't let in more than 1500mA. No matter if the charger is rated at 1500mA or 2000mA. The phone will, however, accept less than 1500mA, but when the current sinks below a certain limit, the phone won't charge at all. That lower limit might be somewhere around 400mA. If your computer's USB port gives out considerably less than 500mA (which is the norm), then there might be something wrong with the port and the phone won't accept it.
For comparison, the Samsung Galaxy S II won't charge at any higher than 700mA. No matter if you connect it to a 700mA or a 2000mA charger, it will only take 700mA and that's it. The stock SGSII wall charger is 750mA.
The XZ, having a bigger battery, will charge at higher than that. I'm guessing 1400-1500mA because the stock charger is 1500mA.

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You can safely charge with almost any MicroUSB charger. As long as it's not broken or anything.
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Awesome then, thanks a lot for your help

Let's face it. It's always best to go with the original charger. If you use a non standard charger the best practise is to use one that has a similar amperage. That said, my Power Bank case puts out 1amp via the dock pins, so... And it's made for the Xperia.
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Fast charge & USB

Hi everyone, I'm looking for more info about the fast charge function of the Note 4: I can read on the charger that it either provides 5 on 9V. Does this mean that I can supply 9V on the USB port to fast charge my note 4 ? Does anyone know how the charger detects wheher it it should supply 5 or 9V?

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Hi everyone, I'm looking for more info about the fast charge function of the Note 4: I can read on the charger that it either provides 5 on 9V. Does this mean that I can supply 9V on the USB port to fast charge my note 4 ? Does anyone know how the charger detects wheher it it should supply 5 or 9V?
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Yes, it means that that charger will deliver power at 9 V (at 1.67 A) to the phone.
As for how it decides which voltage/current to use, it'll be as a function of the battery's charge level, temperature, and probably some other factors, but that's getting into some very specific settings for the phone/charger system by that point.

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Yes, it means that that charger will deliver power at 9 V (at 1.67 A) to the phone.
As for how it decides which voltage/current to use, it'll be as a function of the battery's charge level, temperature, and probably some other factors, but that's getting into some very specific settings for the phone/charger system by that point.
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thanks for the quick reply! I've got a couple of Dc Converters (buck) and lipo batteries (11.1V) and was wondering how the phone signals the charger it can accept 9V and if I can use my DC step down to feed the phone with9V...
I guess I will have to try

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thanks for the quick reply! I've got a couple of Dc Converters (buck) and lipo batteries (11.1V) and was wondering how the phone signals the charger it can accept 9V and if I can use my DC step down to feed the phone with9V...
I guess I will have to try
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I guess it requires original charger for that function, probably with kernel modification you can disable that only 9v OEM charger use for QC

Hello guys ! Do you think this fast charging function is alright for the battery ? as far as i know high current may damage the battery .

liberfarb said:
Hello guys ! Do you think this fast charging function is alright for the battery ? as far as i know high current may damage the battery .
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I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.

ozaghloul said:
I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.
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Thank you for the quick replay mate , I have switched this feature off as well for the same reason I charge my smartphone during the night

ozaghloul said:
I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.
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I personally thought the option to disable Fast Charging was Samsungs' way of reminding us, or letting the uninformed know, that it can do it.

The generally accepted rule amongst radio control hobbyists is that provided the battery is well made, it's not the current that'll kill a battery - it's overcharging it (over 4.2V per cell on a LiPo). Provided that the charging circuit is good (and I have no doubt it is of a high quality) we shouldn't see any degradation in battery life when used with the fast charge process.
Others may chime in with more info, but that's how I understand it.

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The generally accepted rule amongst radio control hobbyists is that provided the battery is well made, it's not the current that'll kill a battery - it's overcharging it (over 4.2V per cell on a LiPo). Provided that the charging circuit is good (and I have no doubt it is of a high quality) we shouldn't see any degradation in battery life when used with the fast charge process.
Others may chime in with more info, but that's how I understand it.
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l believe the fast charge is safe for the battery as it charges it at 1C (=1hr charge) which is actually not so fast.
Here is my tip: I have an old charger to charge overnight and use the mote 4 charger only for fast charging during the day (I leave it in my bag). I'm actually lookingfor a way to make a fast charging battery bank.
So here is my question again: has anyone tried supplying 9V to the phone ?

best device in charging
its charging up the whole battery in about an hour, i really like that and the battery gives me a full day

So far right now i can talk for about an hour and play games for about an hour and leave it on overnight and all day and still have 82% left. I'm super impressed!

equlizer said:
So far right now i can talk for about an hour and play games for about an hour and leave it on overnight and all day and still have 82% left. I'm super impressed!
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YOAH!!! Thats insane!

I know that the amperage on the charger is huge in its speed.
I used many custom Roms and kernels in the past on other phones with fast charge. I used several chargers and always charged much quicker with higher amperage outputs. Some were as low as 300 MA to as high as 1.2A. This is why the amperage is so high on this phones charger. The voltage is needed to push the charge quicker. Good luck finding high A charger at 9v.
My 1.2A charger i use as backup is much faster then the 500/700ma ones I have but they are all 5v and can't compete with fast charge.
Sent from my *ROOTED* Note 4 SM-N910W8

I'm also looking for a power bank that would be able to charge at
- 5V 2A,
- 5.5V (Galaxy Tab S)
- 9V (Note 4).
- with 2x18650
- able to charge itself fast too;
- charge-through (charging a device while changing itself).
i now have this ENB model, but it does not deliver 2A to Tab S (and charges at 5V not 5.5).
And it charges itself with 1A even from 2A-capable power supply.

Hi all,
I notice something that the note 4 does not charge fast after I installed S-View cover (original one), although an indication appeared that it is using the fast charging function.
I guessed it assume that the cover is open and charge slower. However, if I removed the S-View it charge noticeably faster.
Do you think this a bug in firmware ??
Thank you,

The so-called USB fast chargers query the device to be charged. Devices capable of fast charging at 9V DC have additional circuitry in their USB ports that the charger can detect. If the charger doesn't detect the circuitry, it falls back to 5V DC mode, like any other USB charger. Assuming the fast charger is functioning correctly, it should not over-charge an older phone or tablet that doesn't support fast charging; it will simply take as long as the original "dumb" USB charger did.