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So I gave searched for this and I want honest non biased answers how many SGS4 OWNERS made the wait h to MOTO X and what are your feelings ?

AndreaCristiano said:
So I gave searched for this and I want honest non biased answers how many SGS4 OWNERS made the wait h to MOTO X and what are your feelings ?
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I switched from the SGS4 to the MotoX and couldn't be happier. I prefer a more stock android experience and was a ROM flashaholic with the S4, but nothing was ever good enough on the TouchWiz front (I wanted to keep using some of those bells and whistles the S4 offers, so I always stuck with TW Roms). With the MotoX, I don't even think I will ever flash a ROM should it become possible. Stock is THAT good on this phone. It's really smooth! To me, it's about how well the phone runs, not how powerful it is. Motorola did such a great job tweaking the hardware in this phone that you wouldn't even know the difference that it had a less powerful chipset. It's actually smoother than stock on the S4, IMO. Very reminiscent of the GNex, but more awesome. I only really care about theming with this particular phone anyways, and that, I can do already with xposed. The reception on my MotoX seems way better than what I had on the S4. I like that the MotoX is smaller and more ergonomically sound. It's the perfect size for my tastes. Active notifications are the bees knees and MotoAssist is pretty cool too. The only thing I miss about the S4 is the camera, but I use real cameras for real photography. Patiently waiting on the Verizon update for MotoX. Hopefully, the camera will perform better like it does on the other variants for point and shoot shoots where a DSLR is not required, typical day-to-day use. Like I said, couldn't be happier with my decision to switch to the MotoX, even though I did enjoy the S4, it just wasn't the right phone for me.

Thank you very much I am leaning more and more towards buying a moto X and not waiting for the Nexus 5

I came from the HTC One and the GS4 and I couldn't be happier. The Moto X is the best smart phone ever made. Period.

_MetalHead_ said:
I came from the HTC One and the GS4 and I couldn't be happier. The Moto X is the best smart phone ever made. Period.
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I agree with you 100% bro.
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_MetalHead_ said:
I came from the HTC One and the GS4 and I couldn't be happier. The Moto X is the best smart phone ever made. Period.
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Damn you guys are making me want to pull the trigger and not even wait for the nexus 5

AndreaCristiano said:
Damn you guys are making me want to pull the trigger and not even wait for the nexus 5
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I'm getting the Nexus 5 as well. The X will likely remain my primary phone though. One thing I can tell you is that the N5 won't have Active Notifications and that's a MAJOR selling point for the X. Once you have them, you won't know what you ever did without them. The X also has the best in-hand feel of any device ever, which I doubt the N5 will be able to compete with. Those who know me on XDA know that I am VERY critical of phones, so if I recommend one, it must be amazing. That said, the X has my wholehearted recommendation. It's my first Motorola phone and I must say, they have gained a lifetime customer in me.

You guys that switched went with the carrier version of the Developer?

_MetalHead_ said:
I'm getting the Nexus 5 as well. The X will likely remain my primary phone though. One thing I can tell you is that the N5 won't have Active Notifications and that's a MAJOR selling point for the X. Once you have them, you won't know what you ever did without them. The X also has the best in-hand feel of any device ever, which I doubt the N5 will be able to compete with. Those who know me on XDA know that I am VERY critical of phones, so if I recommend one, it must be amazing. That said, the X has my wholehearted recommendation. It's my first Motorola phone and I must say, they have gained a lifetime customer in me.
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Wow OK I think I'm sold. I wanted to wait for the announcement but I don't know if I can. I'm so over this SGS4 IM willing to buy a black T-Mobile and not wait till the motomaker

AndreaCristiano said:
Wow OK I think I'm sold. I wanted to wait for the announcement but I don't know if I can. I'm so over this SGS4 IM willing to buy a black T-Mobile and not wait till the motomaker
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I have a motomaker one and I still went with all black. The only reason why I went the motomaker route was to get the 32gb version.

_MetalHead_ said:
I have a motomaker one and I still went with all black. The only reason why I went the motomaker route was to get the 32gb version.
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Ah yes unfortunately the att version doesn't work on T-Mobile so I have to go T-Mobile route

Coderedpl said:
You guys that switched went with the carrier version of the Developer?
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I have the carrier version. I believe the only difference between the two is that you can unlock the bootloader on the DE and it comes has 32Gb storage instead of 16Gb. From what I've read, all the specs are the same, otherwise.

I came from a gs4. Before that I had an og droid, gnex, gs3, note 2, and gs4.
I have been so happy with my dev edition vzw Moto x. It is the perfect phone. It doesn't even need roms, just root for gravitybox mods to quick toggles for me. I love the size and feel over my s4. There's something about the feel of the s4 that I always hated and I've come to find the feel and smaller size of the x to feel so much better. the speaker is much MUCH louder and the reception is better too. Stock android runs so much smoother on the x than touch wiz, cm, or paranoid android ran on the s4. And being able to pick up my phone or bump it or pull it out of my pocket and see the time and unlock is amazing. I don't think I could live without active display or touchless controls anymore. On my s4 I even bought the 3000mAh extended batteries and wasn't happy with battery life. With the Moto x, I make it 24 hours with 4.5 to 5.5 hours screen time and that's way better than the s4 at 3.5 hours. The Moto x with the new camera fix and voice cut off fix just seems so perfect to me. The camera short cut with the twisting motion is also very convenient. I'm currently running the newest tmobile build with the Verizon build.prop and I just love it. I've never had a phone this good. The display even though it's 720, blows away the s3's pentile matrix display and makes ur feel like a step up in resolution because of its rgb stripe. I even liked it more than the s4 display's odd matrix layout. It's the perfect phone in my opinion, I just didn't like the bigger phones

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I came from a gs4. Before that I had an og droid, gnex, gs3, note 2, and gs4.
I have been so happy with my dev edition vzw Moto x. It is the perfect phone. It doesn't even need roms, just root for gravitybox mods to quick toggles for me. I love the size and feel over my s4. There's something about the feel of the s4 that I always hated and I've come to find the feel and smaller size of the x to feel so much better. the speaker is much MUCH louder and the reception is better too. Stock android runs so much smoother on the x than touch wiz, cm, or paranoid android ran on the s4. And being able to pick up my phone or bump it or pull it out of my pocket and see the time and unlock is amazing. I don't think I could live without active display or touchless controls anymore. On my s4 I even bought the 3000mAh extended batteries and wasn't happy with battery life. With the Moto x, I make it 24 hours with 4.5 to 5.5 hours screen time and that's way better than the s4 at 3.5 hours. The Moto x with the new camera fix and voice cut off fix just seems so perfect to me. The camera short cut with the twisting motion is also very convenient. I'm currently running the newest tmobile build with the Verizon build.prop and I just love it. I've never had a phone this good. The display even though it's 720, blows away the s3's pentile matrix display and makes ur feel like a step up in resolution because of its rgb stripe. I even liked it more than the s4 display's odd matrix layout. It's the perfect phone in my opinion, I just didn't like the bigger phones
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I'm telling you the more and more I read the less and less I want to wait for the Nexus 5

AndreaCristiano said:
So I gave searched for this and I want honest non biased answers how many SGS4 OWNERS made the wait h to MOTO X and what are your feelings ?
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switched from a verizon s4 to the dev edition on verizon and i love it
way better battery life
a lot smoother since it doesnt have touch wiz
but the one thing that the x cant compare on is the camera

Really interested in the Moto X...

So I just bought an LG G2 on Verizon last Saturday for $550 and while I love the phone, the Moto X is really tempting me to return my G2 and buy an X instead. I've already got CM10.2 on here so its nearly the same as what the Moto X is running and can currently get around 5-7 hours of screen on time with 19-24+ hours off the charger.
From what I've read, the Moto X gets fantastic battery life and despite its lesser specs, it still performs wonderfully which I've witnessed first hand. And the fact that the camera is no longer complete garbage is a huge plus as well. I'm not a big camera guy, but when I use it I need it to take good pictures.
So, do you guys think I should keep the G2 or return it for a Moto X? Really struggling with this decision and could use some insight. Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

Just ordered one yesterday when I saw jcase had an updated root method. I currently have an mdk s4 but the phone is just too big and I don't like capacitive buttons. To me it's just a matter of build quality... The s4 feels big and cheap and after playing with the x it doesn't even compare
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I owned the G2 for tmobile before I switched to ATT Moto X. Best decision ever.
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I just got my MotoX a few days ago (coming from a Gnex). I cant believe I didnt get this phone 2 months ago. Best phone I've had thus far. I am on the phone for alot of hours during the work week. Probably 100+ calls per day. I have never been able to not have to charge a phone mid way through the day before. I got home today with 23% batt left, with 15hrs of charger and 4.5 hrs of screen time, 4 hrs of calls.
I thought i wanted a larger screen phone, dont think I ever will now.
A friend of mine has an S4. Even though the S4 with CM10.2 gets higher "benchmarks", the fluidity of the stock moto x is much better. It is just a better overall experience. Like I said, not sure why I didnt get this phone 2 months ago.

magicriggs said:
I owned the G2 for tmobile before I switched to ATT Moto X. Best decision ever.
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What do you like better?
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barondebxl said:
What do you like better?
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Okay I was running stock on the G2. I liked the knock on feature on the G2 but it was inconsistent. The UX felt very much like touchwizz and even tho it was quad core, I noticed some lag. The one thing I like more on the G2 over the X is the screen and camera.
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magicriggs said:
Okay I was running stock on the G2. I liked the knock on feature on the G2 but it was inconsistent. The UX felt very much like touchwizz and even tho it was quad core, I noticed some lag. The one thing I like more on the G2 over the X is the screen and camera.
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True, there is some occasional lag on the G2 but overall it's pretty fast I think. I'm also intrigued by the moto x but the AT&T version has no development.
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barondebxl said:
True, there is some occasional lag on the G2 but overall it's pretty fast I think. I'm also intrigued by the moto x but the AT&T version has no development.
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Bro if your rocking stock on the G2 then you'll love Moto X stock. Pretty much straight vanilla with useful tweaks. Active notifications is awesome with that touchless control and moto connect. And these tweaks are flawless not a single issue.
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magicriggs said:
Bro if your rocking stock on the G2 then you'll love Moto X stock. Pretty much straight vanilla with useful tweaks. Active notifications is awesome with that touchless control and moto connect. And these tweaks are flawless not a single issue.
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I'm not too much of a stock android guy, I like custom UIs and I'm running cleanrom XE on the G2, it's pretty solid with insane battery life. But I like to try new phones so maybe I'll give a shot to the moto x
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I got ya bro
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See I just don't know if it's worth it when I'm already running stock Android on my G2 with no problems while also getting crazy battery life. It's just something about the Moto X is drawing me towards it, not to mention that Verizon is rumored to be getting MotoMaker on Nov 11th. My main concern, just like another user said, is that development doesn't seem that active for the Verizon variant. Or maybe I'm just blind?

I'm also waiting for Verizon to have access to Moto Maker (need at least 32GB of internal memory of I can't have an SD card) with fingers crossed that the wooden backs will be an option at that time.
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I've had pretty much every high end phone and I love the moto x. I bought a iPhone 5s only because they just happen to have a gold one while I was there. I sold that, made my profit, and went back to buy the moto x. I really can't think of anything negative to say about it.

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I just got my MotoX a few days ago (coming from a Gnex). I cant believe I didnt get this phone 2 months ago. Best phone I've had thus far. I am on the phone for alot of hours during the work week. Probably 100+ calls per day. I have never been able to not have to charge a phone mid way through the day before. I got home today with 23% batt left, with 15hrs of charger and 4.5 hrs of screen time, 4 hrs of calls.
I thought i wanted a larger screen phone, dont think I ever will now.
A friend of mine has an S4. Even though the S4 with CM10.2 gets higher "benchmarks", the fluidity of the stock moto x is much better. It is just a better overall experience. Like I said, not sure why I didnt get this phone 2 months ago.
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the benchmark tests are BS. They provide some insight into things, but as many reviews of phones have pointed out, the moto x actually does better in a lot of areas in real tests than other high end phones with better processors. I think the moto dev team worked hard to create a phone with lower specs that works faster than other phones because of all the new coding and filing systems they put into the device. This is also one of the reasons that development isn't as fast. A bunch of things are new to the dev community that moto was using and it will take some learning. I bet a lot of phones move to this type of coding and processors running their own thing, which will then make dev easier for phones like this.
hashcode said in his forum on SS that this was the hardest device he worked on getting SS to run properly with. How the system is set up and runs commands is different from other phones so benchmarks are not really benchmarks ya know. They are old benchmarks used just to test a processor, not a phones ability to perform tasks in real life. It's real life benchmarks beat out the htc one in many respects.

I have this phone and totally love it! I have hd every phone you could imagine all the galaxys, htc one, lg's all the iphones except 5s and it is the best phone I have ever had. I have a Nexus 5 coming and I may just return to sender because of how much this phone just works

AndreaCristiano said:
I have this phone and totally love it! I have hd every phone you could imagine all the galaxys, htc one, lg's all the iphones except 5s and it is the best phone I have ever had. I have a Nexus 5 coming and I may just return to sender because of how much this phone just works
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You had the G2 too? And you still think the Moto X is better? Reasons? Thanks in advance!

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You had the G2 too? And you still think the Moto X is better? Reasons? Thanks in advance!
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It feels about a million times better in hand.
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I just recently purchased a Moto X, coming from a motorola Atrix 4G and I'll tell you why...
Motorola has always made good hardware. They have a integrated circuit and electronics division that creates very robust designs. Their consumer and industrial hardware has been top of the line since the beginning days of the 2-way handheld radio. They make good hardware. Solid and rugged stuff.
Now, the Atrix had some problems regarding software support. It was never officially updated past gingerbread. I was fine using the kernel that was developed, although it wasn't perfect. This was a major issue for many that pushed them away from Motorola. I still loved the ruggedness of the once-flagship phone.
However, now that Google and Motorola Mobility are one, I feel there is a good chance this will not be as big of an issue in the future. I really feel we will have the best of both worlds with Motorola now -- excellent hardware as well as long term software support (whatever long term really means nowadays). At least, it's a 'risk' I'm willing to take.
So far, I am extremely happy with my Moto X.

I was an android convert from an iPhone 5. I started with the G2, it was a pretty nice phone but I couldn't get used to the size. I operate my phone with one hand most of the time and couldn't secure it well. The actual hardware was nice. I switched to the moto X four days later. I can wholehearted say that I don't miss ANYTHING on the G2. I really do like all the features that Motorola built into the X and Android.
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I too had a LG G2 and returned it for a Moto X on verizon. My main concerns were lesser battery life and camera.... and, a little bit of a concern was the smaller screen size. I too also had rooted and placed CM10.2 on the phone.
My comparisons....
G2 Pros:
1) Screen is slightly nicer/crisper on the G2. Not by much, but it's noticeable to me.
2) Screen size was nice to have... not a deal breaker, but nice to have.
3) More development community.
4) Battery life was AMAZING
5) Camera was very solid
G2 Cons:
1) Back buttons!!!! If the LG G2 had not decided to place the buttons on the back, I would still have that phone.
2) Knock-on feature, while useful, didn't work all the time. So, you have to pick up the device and try and find the damn back buttons to check a notification. Or look like an idiot stabbing a black screen.
3) Slimy back. I felt like this thing would fall out of my hand. Please note, I really don't care what the phone is made of. I've owned the Note 2 and didn't feel the same way as with the G2. G2 was just slick in comparison.
4) cheezy LG UI. Why can't they just do like Motorola and improve camera/knock-on stuff and leave the stock apps to google?!?
Moto X Pros:
1) Form factor and build quality is really fantastic. Feels so good in the hand that the screen size argument vanishes.
2) Sound/speaker quality is noticeably better than any phone I've had. A little strange that I noticed this, but I've seen it mentioned before from others as well.
3) Active notifications are pretty handy, and am quickly getting used to them.
4) Always listening device... verdict still out on this, perhaps a bit gimmicky.
5) Prefect implementation of AOSP. improved in some areas, and left everything else alone! Hence, no needing for new ROMs. Root, yes. But only for Xposed stuff.
Moto X Cons:
1) Battery not up to par with LG G2... but very good. I get a full day and I'm a heavy user.
2) Camera not quite as good compared to the G2... but the sensor is faster...perhaps a tradeoff.
Anyhow, I think the Moto X is a winner. The fact that I had to

[Q] Motorola Moto X or Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Play Edition?

I've been using the LG Nexus 4 since February & I feel as if it is about time for an upgrade, we've had some great times together but I'm just about ready to retire from it. My main reason why, battery life. It's obvious that the Nexus 4 has awful battery life, I've never been able to make it through a full day even when I first bought it. I love it for the obvious reasons; vanilla android, updates, etc.
SO my question for you guys today is what seems like the better buy here? The Moto X or the GPE S4? Keep in mind that money is not an issue here. Now this is the Moto X thread & I know that many will say go with the X for sure but I want to hear everyone's take on this.
Reasons why I'd consider the Moto X:
Active Display - Just brilliant, I played with it on my friend's X the other day & it's TRUE. I don't think I could consider any other phone that doesn't have this feature. On my Nexus 4, I have to pull it out of my pocket, hit the power button, unlock it, check the notification, hit the power button again & then put it back in my pocket. -_-
Touchless Control - Is a feature I've always wanted without having to buy an S3, S4, with S-Voice. Being able to call out "Okay Google Now" while idle is genius.
Quicklaunch Camera: I was starting to believe that this feature was a gimmick but this isn't the case, I can see myself using this daily.
Vanilla Android: I don't do skins & this is probably why this phone is so damn fluid, I honestly think the X smokes my Nexus 4 with just about everything except maybe gaming. But I could care less about that I'm not a mobile gamer.
Moto Assist: Watching my friend use this feature while riding in the passenger seat of the car I was completely blown away, this works as advertised. Enough said.
AMOLED Display: Confession, I'm an AMOLED whore. I miss the over saturation on my Galaxy Nexus & active display takes full advantage of this. I'm reminded how much more battery I can save with blacked out apps. I don't care about burn in, I don't use a phone as my daily driver for more than two years & I don't find myself staying on one screen for very long.
Build Quality: This phone was obviously well built. It's the same 4.7 inch display on my Nexus 4 but yet somewhat a tad bit smaller which is a plus. I'll leave it at this, the Moto X feels like sex in my hand.
Battery life: Last but certainly not least. I haven't had the chance to play with one for a full day but from what I've been seeing on G+, people have reportedly been able to get through a FULL day of heavy use with an average of 5hrs of SOT consistently. Now that sounds like the kind of battery that I desperately need. If I do end up getting the X I'll probably pick one of these up just in case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0SC-000Y-00026
Timely updates: Android 4.4 KitKat was announced along with the Nexus 5 on Halloween, & every Moto X was updated within three weeks of that. That's quite impressive to me, the Verizon variant was first in line, word?
Cons: The only con that I've been hearing is the camera but apparently the recent update fixed it. I have never been a big smartphone camera dude but I guarantee that it bests my Nexus 4. Another con would be the specs but Moto has proved that the spec war is just about over. The only thing I'm curious about is how long will this phone get updates because of its hardware/processor. Another con, ROM Development: Doesn't really bother me one bit, all I need is XPosed Framework, Unicon, & GravityBox. Truth be told I'm sort of over flashing & flashing every other day. I'm one of the few crack flashers left, I wonder how many there are left out there.
Reasons why I'd consider the Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Play Edition: Let's get this out of the way now, I've been told to just buy the regular S4 & flash the GPE ROM on it, I refuse. I want the actual OTA to come to the phone.
Super AMOLED 1080P Display: Like i said before, I'm an AMOLED whore & the 1080P would sweeten the icing on the cake even more.
Timely updates: Another major deciding factor here, it already has KitKat, but after the Moto X which is okay.
IR Blaster: I DO wish the X had a dedicated IR port, this is a feature that I really need but so far the X has more going for it as you can see above.
Removable Battery: Something that I really miss with my GNex was the removable battery. Battery life means a lot to me and that's WHY I'm not buying a Nexus 5. They say "just flash a custom kernel" but no I want something that is great out of the box with little to no modification. & besides the Nexus 5 doesn't have an OLED display but that's neither here nor there so let's get back on topic. Some say they've switched from the S4 to the X & noticed better battery regardless of the S4 having a slightly larger battery. But this is something I'll purchase if I do pick up the GPE S4: http://zerolemon.com/details.php/zerolemon-2x-galaxy-s4-3000mah-slim-battery-charger
Earbuds: It comes with earbuds, which is something that shouldn't even be on this list but seeing as the GPE S4 is losing I'll add this ha ha.
Cons: I was upset to find out that the GPE S4 doesn't support the 1700mHz band on T-Mobile which is 3G/HSPA+. I did some research but this isn't true. This only applies to the GPE HTC One.
ROM Development: There are like no ROM's for this phone but again, all I need is the XPosed framework, good to go.
No Active Display: I could use Knock2+ Notifications or Dynamic Notifications to achieve the feature on the X but I'm not sure how reliable they are.
Plastic Build Design: The plastic on Samsung phones has NEVER concerned me, although I cannot speak for other's. As I just put a high quality case on it anyway.
That's just my take on it, if you don't mind I'd like to hear everyone's take on this.

I have had both phones and have to say it's not even close. The mha of the battery is misleading on this phone. With all bells and whistles turned on I get consistently around 16 to 20 hours, and I pound out my phone allot all day while professors are gabbing. More if you use tasker and other techniques. And I used to love huge phones but the Moto x just gets every thing right. I'll never own another phone until the Moto x successor, and that's coming from someone who used to switch phones every other month
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I also had a gs4 earlier this year. I was able to get good battery life on my GS4 and it had a great camera but the X overall is a better phone with better battery life and fairly comparable camera. The active notifications are simply amazing, voice control works well and everything else simply just works properly with no lag. The GS4 just seemed glitchy and the stock samsung ROM was laggy.
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Thanks guys keep them coming!

I just came from a Galaxy S4 and moving to Moto X was the best decision I ever did.
Moto X has a much better battery life, it doesn't lag AT ALL, active notifications, voice recognition, almost no bloatware (google apps don't count).

I came from a Galaxy Nexus. The hardware design alone is astounding - you would actually rather have it in plastic than in metal, like what the HTC One offers. I spoke at length about what's so wonderful about the phone in some other thread. Long story short, I'm not switching away from this phone for a long time. I haven't had such a regretless purchase in a while. heh

I came from an S3 so take it for what it's worth.
Don't worry about specs. This phone runs very smooth better than my note2(when I had it). Every touchwiz device seems to have that bit of a lag or stutter.
I purchased this phone primarily for the touchless control feature, bit I've found myself liking the active notification feature just as much.
Although I did think the twist to launch camera was a gimmick it's actually very handy to be able to launch the camera from anywhere with a flick of the wrist.
One con of this phone is the camera quality I do prefer the pics of the S3.
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EternalAndroid said:
Removable Battery: Something that I really miss with my GNex was the removable battery. Battery life means a lot to me and that's WHY I'm not buying a Nexus 5. They say "just flash a custom kernel" but no I want something that is great out of the box with little to no modification. & besides the Nexus 5 doesn't have an OLED display but that's neither here nor there so let's get back on topic. Some say they've switched from the S4 to the X & noticed better battery regardless of the S4 having a slightly larger battery. But this is something I'll purchase if I do pick up the GPE S4: http://zerolemon.com/details.php/zerolemon-2x-galaxy-s4-3000mah-slim-battery-charger
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I've been looking into alternate battery options on the Moto X lately and for what it's worth Zero Lemon are making batteries for the Moto X.

EternalAndroid said:
Removable Battery: Something that I really miss with my GNex was the removable battery. Battery life means a lot to me and that's WHY I'm not buying a Nexus 5. They say "just flash a custom kernel" but no I want something that is great out of the box with little to no modification.
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The highlighted text describes the Moto X so well, and that applies across the board. Well, except the camera maybe.
What other phone can you think of that has middle of the road specs yet offers a user experience that bests all the flagships? I had the S3, I still have my Note 2, and I've played with all the current flagships. I think it's rare that a device, which can't (or shouldn't) compete on paper with the latest and greatest, leaves users without envy.
The Moto X truly is greater than the sum of its parts.

I love how you mention how you'd never go back to a phone with a fixed battery. I switched from an S3 to the Moto X and I'm loving all the other features but I miss the camera picture quality.

I have both phones. Moto X is superior in pretty much every way, perhaps save the screen. The software on the s4 impedes use and causes lag and crashes. The Moto SW actually improves things (shocker I know). Love active notifications, and as long as I'm alone OK Google Now is pretty fun

Moto X. And I like Samsung phones. I don't miss the removable battery nor microSD slot.
Both have the full AOSP experience, Motorola takes it to the next level with their X8.

Should I get the Moto X Dev Edition? Or is it getting too old?

I've been going back and forth between the Moto X and HTC M8 for a while, and I'm really not sure which one to buy and play around with. I have a $60 off .edu coupon for the X so that would bring it to $390 as compared to $650 for the HTC M8. I've got a pre order for the M8 right now, and I can cancel until Wednesday this week. I'm not sure about the fact that the Moto X is getting kinda old, but the Active Listening is soooo cool. I've used both and I really couldn't pick a favorite.
So the question is:
Is the Moto X still a worthy purchase being a little over halfway through it's life cycle?
Thanks!

I still think my X is the best phone I have. Its responsive, and fits my hand best, and works best for single handed operation. I had a One (M7) 30demo before the X. It was ok, but wasn't comfortable and felt clumsy in my hand. With the One (M8) having a larger screen, single handed use would still be an issue for me.
(I'm 6'1" with average sized hands for someone this height)
Having the faster processor, screen, possibly better camera, makes the One (M8) attractive. but comfort in every day use is main sticking point for me.
As for the X being old. Yeah, its about 1/2 through its life cycle since Moto said they were working on a replacement. But I still think its a great phone.

KidJoe said:
I still think my X is the best phone I have. Its responsive, and fits my hand best, and works best for single handed operation. I had a One (M7) 30demo before the X. It was ok, but wasn't comfortable and felt clumsy in my hand. With the One (M8) having a larger screen, single handed use would still be an issue for me.
(I'm 6'1" with average sized hands for someone this height)
Having the faster processor, screen, possibly better camera, makes the One (M8) attractive. but comfort in every day use is main sticking point for me.
As for the X being old. Yeah, its about 1/2 through its life cycle since Moto said they were working on a replacement. But I still think its a great phone.
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Thanks for the insight! I used the M8 at the Verizon store and found it was much easier to use than the M7 one handed. I'm sure the Moto X has better single-hand operation, but it is greatly improved on the M8 (I'm 6'3" with pretty long fingers). I will surely buy the Moto X 2, it's just deciding on the phone that will hold me over until then . With the S801, I think the M8 and X are about the same in responsiveness (Moto was ahead for a while with S600 chips in phones), but the M8 still has a superior screen.
How often do you use the Active Listening voice control?

SolarTrans said:
Thanks for the insight! I used the M8 at the Verizon store and found it was much easier to use than the M7 one handed. I'm sure the Moto X has better single-hand operation, but it is greatly improved on the M8 (I'm 6'3" with pretty long fingers). I will surely buy the Moto X 2, it's just deciding on the phone that will hold me over until then . With the S801, I think the M8 and X are about the same in responsiveness (Moto was ahead for a while with S600 chips in phones), but the M8 still has a superior screen.
How often do you use the Active Listening voice control?
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I agree with kidjoe, I've used an M7 not M8 and after reading the glowing reviews for the M7. I was shocked how everything was average, from battery life to Ultra Pixel camera
Here are the pros vs cons for my Moto GSM Unlocked version
PROS
-Fits great in hand
-voiceless controls work wonderful even in semi noisy environments
-the contour of the phone
-Active display really is superb
-Battery life, I get 3-5 hours screen on with moderate usage, battery always last a day, and running 4.4 it's a beast in standby! 4.2.2 eeehhh..
-Moto customer service is great! I think they understand they're the underdog and are acting accordingly.
-the price!
-The hardware and software runs smooth
-unlockable bootloader vis Moto's website
CONS
-Inline messaging bug using the email app
-I have been having MMS problems with 3 Moto X I received, most don't send :'( (I wanna blame T-mobile but still am not sure yet)
-Camera doesn't have digital or optical stabilization so you'll need steady hands and patience!
p.s. I've gotten a free case and SOL headphones from talking with Reps, if you have a gripe a bout a deal or one day shipping or something you could manage to get a freebie
Any questions feel free to ask.

SolarTrans said:
...How often do you use the Active Listening voice control?
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I use it in the car to read me notifications, or "whats up" ... along with calling and stuff. But not much else.
I don't like SPEAKING out loud with my phone in public.

drago10029 said:
I agree with kidjoe, I've used an M7 not M8 and after reading the glowing reviews for the M7. I was shocked how everything was average, from battery life to Ultra Pixel camera
Here are the pros vs cons for my Moto GSM Unlocked version
PROS
-Fits great in hand
-voiceless controls work wonderful even in semi noisy environments
-the contour of the phone
-Active display really is superb
-Battery life, I get 3-5 hours screen on with moderate usage, battery always last a day, and running 4.4 it's a beast in standby! 4.2.2 eeehhh..
-Moto customer service is great! I think they understand they're the underdog and are acting accordingly.
-the price!
-The hardware and software runs smooth
-unlockable bootloader vis Moto's website
CONS
-Inline messaging bug using the email app
-I have been having MMS problems with 3 Moto X I received, most don't send :'( (I wanna blame T-mobile but still am not sure yet)
-Camera doesn't have digital or optical stabilization so you'll need steady hands and patience!
p.s. I've gotten a free case and SOL headphones from talking with Reps, if you have a gripe a bout a deal or one day shipping or something you could manage to get a freebie
Any questions feel free to ask.
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Thanks! From what I've heard, the M8 actually has much better battery life than the M7, and the Moto's camera is probably about as good as the M8's. Your cons seem to be fairly minor and that's a good thing
M8 doesn't have OIS either, so that's a wash.
From some comparisons I've seen, the consensus is that the M8 is better just because it's so much newer and has better hardware. TBH that better hardware probably finally caught it up to the Moto X's stellar performance XD.
These phones are both so great it's really hard to decide :/
But the question is, is it a worthy purchase? What would you say?

SolarTrans said:
Thanks! From what I've heard, the M8 actually has much better battery life than the M7, and the Moto's camera is probably about as good as the M8's. Your cons seem to be fairly minor and that's a good thing
M8 doesn't have OIS either, so that's a wash.
From some comparisons I've seen, the consensus is that the M8 is better just because it's so much newer and has better hardware. TBH that better hardware probably finally caught it up to the Moto X's stellar performance XD.
These phones are both so great it's really hard to decide :/
But the question is, is it a worthy purchase? What would you say?
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Honestly there's another factor. an important one. The XDA factor as you would know since you're posting here on XDA.
Price and performance, battery life would always leave me with the Moto X. But as you've seen the development is very quiet around these forums sadly. So if ROMs and such are really important you may want to cancel the pre-order and see what development is like for the M8.
Again this is coming from a guy who values efficiency over everything. I knew Moto X had lower specs but being the genius I am (not really) I know specs don't matter, at least higher specs don't. When a phone boast things like that it usually means it's potentially riding on that for success rather than good software/usability or what I call efficiency.
Again, any question feel free. My moto X is an open book for you and I love helping people make the best choice for them.

Thanks! Honestly, I usually stick with stock on my phones (I only root to enable AdAway and fix SD permissions), so development isn't that big of a deal. I've noticed there's not much Dev action on the Moto X, but again: it isn't too big of a deal for me. Though, from what I've seen in the M8 forum, there is already getting to be a good amount of Dev following.
So some questions now:
How do you like the screen? Are the pixels noticeable when reading text? How is it outdoors?
I'm using the iPhone 5s as my daily driver, and the ~320PPI screen isn't too bad. Thing is, it has one of the highest quality IPS displays on the market.
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If the one and s5 don't do it for you id get a used x to last you the next 5-6 months until the new x's are announced and maybe a new nexus?

I have the $60 off coupon, so I could get an unlocked/Dev 32GB for $390. I'd go that way if I got a Moto.
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Thanks! Honestly, I usually stick with stock on my phones (I only root to enable AdAway and fix SD permissions), so development isn't that big of a deal. I've noticed there's not much Dev action on the Moto X, but again: it isn't too big of a deal for me. Though, from what I've seen in the M8 forum, there is already getting to be a good amount of Dev following.
So some questions now:
How do you like the screen? Are the pixels noticeable when reading text? How is it outdoors?
I'm using the iPhone 5s as my daily driver, and the ~320PPI screen isn't too bad. Thing is, it has one of the highest quality IPS displays on the market.
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The screen looks crisp. I rarely use full brightness outdoors. after about 70% it doesn't make too big a difference to me. And there honestly the 1080p, 720p things are gimmicky. People say they notice the difference but from the S3 to the Moto X to the M7 I've used the sharpness are all on par with each other. Including the IPS on iPhone 5/5S which my girlfriend has. they are all crisp screens.
video look great! The headphone volume is a little low though, i solved that with Viper4android (highly recommend for music lovers). Call quality is actually really really clear! It has 3 mics on it.
That answer your question?

Yep perfectly! But I think I've decided to go with the M8 for these next few months. For a couple of reasons:
1. When I used the Moto X at Verizon, the small screen really reminded me of my iPhone. 5in isn't much bigger than 4.7, but especially with the on screen buttons on a black bar (not always on, but I still noticed), it felt somewhat small to me.
2. My last Android phone was the S4 GPE, and I'm a little tired of the stock-like interface, and being quite reluctant to use ROMs I'd like to give Sense 6 a good try for a while. Moto 360 and X 2 are almost guaranteed to be on my list this year though
Thanks so much for your help!
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SolarTrans said:
Yep perfectly! But I think I've decided to go with the M8 for these next few months. For a couple of reasons:
1. When I used the Moto X at Verizon, the small screen really reminded me of my iPhone. 5in isn't much bigger than 4.7, but especially with the on screen buttons on a black bar (not always on, but I still noticed), it felt somewhat small to me.
2. My last Android phone was the S4 GPE, and I'm a little tired of the stock-like interface, and being quite reluctant to use ROMs I'd like to give Sense 6 a good try for a while. Moto 360 and X 2 are almost guaranteed to be on my list this year though
Thanks so much for your help!
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You got it! glad you found something you like.

SolarTrans said:
I've been going back and forth between the Moto X and HTC M8 for a while, and I'm really not sure which one to buy and play around with. I have a $60 off .edu coupon for the X so that would bring it to $390 as compared to $650 for the HTC M8. I've got a pre order for the M8 right now, and I can cancel until Wednesday this week. I'm not sure about the fact that the Moto X is getting kinda old, but the Active Listening is soooo cool. I've used both and I really couldn't pick a favorite.
So the question is:
Is the Moto X still a worthy purchase being a little over halfway through it's life cycle?
Thanks!
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Ok. So I dropped my dev moto x on concrete and the screen broke, my fault. So I decided I was going to upgrade to an HTC m8 with the Dot Case.
Well. I just sent in my Moto x to be repaired, because I am going to return the m8.
1. The M8 is a GREAT phone. Great camera, speed, memory expansion.
But in the end I love my Moto X (this is only my opinion)
Why I want my Moto X back? Active notifications, Touchless Control, Ability to mute from the power button, ability to root and remove all bloat (I am sure the HTC will be able to do this soon), size (I like a phone I can hold easily) and doesn't feel like a weight in my pocket.
The problems I had with the M8 (this is my opinion )
Rather have Google Experience than BlinkFeed (Yes I installed the APK), The quick gestures were useless to me. The car mode defaulted to the HTC music app, I use Google Music. Hard to hold comfortably. TV was good, but I already have 300 remotes, and 1 universal. Adding one more was just a pain. Sense 6 is nice, but I rather have a pure experience that I can add too, IE: Gravity Module
I always say in my opinion because I think phones are as unique as people. What I find in the M8/Moto X as useless/useful could be 100% different for someone else.

hill180 said:
Ok. So I dropped my dev moto x on concrete and the screen broke, my fault. So I decided I was going to upgrade to an HTC m8 with the Dot Case.
Well. I just sent in my Moto x to be repaired, because I am going to return the m8.
1. The M8 is a GREAT phone. Great camera, speed, memory expansion.
But in the end I love my Moto X (this is only my opinion)
Why I want my Moto X back? Active notifications, Touchless Control, Ability to mute from the power button, ability to root and remove all bloat (I am sure the HTC will be able to do this soon), size (I like a phone I can hold easily) and doesn't feel like a weight in my pocket.
The problems I had with the M8 (this is my opinion )
Rather have Google Experience than BlinkFeed (Yes I installed the APK), The quick gestures were useless to me. The car mode defaulted to the HTC music app, I use Google Music. Hard to hold comfortably. TV was good, but I already have 300 remotes, and 1 universal. Adding one more was just a pain. Sense 6 is nice, but I rather have a pure experience that I can add too, IE: Gravity Module
I always say in my opinion because I think phones are as unique as people. What I find in the M8/Moto X as useless/useful could be 100% different for someone else.
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I feel like if you play with the moto x in the store your not getting the full day to day usage and the features that help make it the #1 android phone of 2013. I know spec on sheet is all that people care about now but until you have owned the phone and then go to something else you'll want to come back to this phone.
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S 4 (T-Mobile running GPE ROM) and a moto X GSM dev editon. After going back and forth a few times in the past week I keep going back to the X. Which is surprising because I used the S4 as my DD for the better part of a year and loved everything but the size.
I actually found that the performance is similar and the screen on the X looks better because its RGB and not pentile, regardless of the resolution difference.
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S 4 (T-Mobile running GPE ROM) and a moto X GSM dev editon. After going back and forth a few times in the past week I keep going back to the X. Which is surprising because I used the S4 as my DD for the better part of a year and loved everything but the size.
I actually found that the performance is similar and the screen on the X looks better because its RGB and not pentile, regardless of the resolution difference.
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Huh didn't know it was RGB. The S5 (while having the best smartphone display ever made according to DisplayMate) still uses PenTile and has 305PPI for red and blue (but 432 for white and green). This is actually less than the Moto X's density, so I was kind of surprised. Displays can't really compare though, as from what I've read the Moto X just isn't as nice as other flagships in the display department
Update on the thread: I actually cancelled my M8 order because after using one again I found I really disliked the whole UI.
Any further comparison for will be with the S5, as that's where I moved my pre-order after canceling.
If one thing were to sway me towards the X from the S5, it'd be the size. The Moto X feels truly amazing (even for the few minutes in store that I tested it). The S5 is quite nice as well, but it doesn't quite match the curve of the X.
From all I've read and felt so far, the S5 and Moto X are both insanely attractive offerings. I haven't seen a single person dissatisfied with their X, and everyone (me included) who's used an S5 thought it was great.
Considering how attached to the X people are, I may just have to spend the $390 and go for it. The S5 may have better specs and be faster, but the overwhelming praise of the X is definitely something I'll consider.
Thanks all for the help so far! If anyone has any further input it'd be much appreciated.
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New to Moto X

I just switched from a S3 to a Moto X. My S3 was starting to lag pretty bad and the battery was crap. Well I can't say I am to impressed with the Moto X. I read comparisons between the 2 and the Moto X seemed better on paper to me. I know the camera on the S3 is much better but I wasn't to worried about that.
My question is Motorola just behind in the overall look of the phone? The interface with the dialer is back to the look of when I have an Incredible. And the battery is on par with my 3 year old S3. This phone is already at 4.4.4, so I cannot root it. Should I get rid of this and go for a S4 or pay more for an S5? I love the size of this phone and overall feel of it just disappointed I guess overall as compared to everything I was able to do with my Galaxy.

Like what ?

I also came from an S3 to a Moto X and it was completely night and day. S3 drained my battery and touchwiz was laggy as heck.
Agree the camera is not that good in the Moto X but other than that..i can't think of anything i missed from the galaxy S3.
I really can't think of what could be bogging down your phone so much... maybe you got a lemon..was it used?
I've been using mine for a year now and it's still pretty snappy and battery definitely is better than the S3 in my experience.
cheers
Ken

Having a large variety of devices on hand that I use (see the link in my sig), I still like the X best.
Sure, my S4 and S5 have a brighter display and better cameras (although, with 4.4.4 Moto has again made some improvements). But over all, the S4 and S5 are laggy compared to the X. (Note: Being my personal device, my X is loaded with apps and music. Being work devices, and often having to wipe and test, my S4 and S5 are stock with only two or three added apps.)
I'm 6'1" with average hands for a man that size. I find the S4 and S5 too big for single handed operation. The X is just the right size for single handed use, and fits in my pocket when needed without being noticeable.
Touch Wiz makes my samsungs look/feel cheap, and appears to be the cause of some/most of the lag I see. The only thing I LIKE is its calendar app, how it lists the agenda for the day on the bottom half of the screen. However, since I've been using Today Calendar on my X, I find that gives me what I like without bogging down my phone.
Not sure I see the resemblance between the Incredible's dialer and the near stock android dialer of the X. To be honest, I liked HTC Sense on my Incredible and Thunderbolt. I didn't like stock android on my original droid, or blur on my Droid X. Moto has made some nice, albeit slight, changes from stock on the X. Just enough to enhance it, and not too much that their changes get in the way or impact performance.
Battery life on my X is pretty good. I often go for more than a day and a half on my X between charges. Yeah, I wish it had replaceable battery, and microSD card slot, but I've learned to live without them now (I just have to make sure I always get a 32gig or more phone!).
I get that the X isn't the right phone for everyone, so if *you* don't like it. Return it. If you purchased it used, sell it. Don't rely on what others think or have to say.

It's your usage, setup or a poor signal causing your battery times... Or some issue.
It's not just "the phone".
Troubleshoot the issues in the "how's your battery life" thread in general. Lots of people to help there. ?

You're probably disappointed because there's no huge difference between the two.
Both have similar screens, battery life, etc. Moto X is faster, but the SGS3 has better camera and microSD.
I was thinking of buying the Moto X too. I have the SGS3, but I think the difference is little and not worth the money.

Sorry I made a post and haven't responded until now. I've had the Moto X for a week or 2 now and have gotten used to it but it seems like the battery dies must faster than my S3 did. I look at the usage and my work email is taking up most of the battery. I changed the sync from 15 mins to 30 mins but doesn't seem to help. I downloaded the Clean Master app and clear out the junk and stop apps from running a couple times a day but doesn't seem to help. Not sure if rooting would help but I've briefly read that if it's on 4.4.4 you can't. Oh well I still have my S3 so I may switch back and forth to see which I like better. Overall I like the size of the Moto X better as well as the speed!

I moved from a N4 to a G2 to a N5, to a MotoX. I didn't not have a HUGE down grade from the G2 to N2 with regards to battery. I'm not sure about the X yet as I've had it less than a day. I expect it to be the same as the N5 though.

nygbrad said:
I just switched from a S3 to a Moto X. My S3 was starting to lag pretty bad and the battery was crap. Well I can't say I am to impressed with the Moto X. I read comparisons between the 2 and the Moto X seemed better on paper to me. I know the camera on the S3 is much better but I wasn't to worried about that.
My question is Motorola just behind in the overall look of the phone? The interface with the dialer is back to the look of when I have an Incredible. And the battery is on par with my 3 year old S3. This phone is already at 4.4.4, so I cannot root it. Should I get rid of this and go for a S4 or pay more for an S5? I love the size of this phone and overall feel of it just disappointed I guess overall as compared to everything I was able to do with my Galaxy.
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What model of the x you have?

It's just a Verizon Moto X 16gb

So why you can't root it. Just unlock the bootloader and root it.

nexuspur said:
So why you can't root it. Just unlock the bootloader and root it.
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I thought the first sticky said any phone with 4.4.3 or higher cannot be unlocked.

nygbrad said:
Sorry I made a post and haven't responded until now. I've had the Moto X for a week or 2 now and have gotten used to it but it seems like the battery dies must faster than my S3 did. I look at the usage and my work email is taking up most of the battery. I changed the sync from 15 mins to 30 mins but doesn't seem to help. I downloaded the Clean Master app and clear out the junk and stop apps from running a couple times a day but doesn't seem to help. Not sure if rooting would help but I've briefly read that if it's on 4.4.4 you can't. Oh well I still have my S3 so I may switch back and forth to see which I like better. Overall I like the size of the Moto X better as well as the speed!
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If you're writing a lot emails you could try out K9 and change the theme to "dark". It switches from black text on white background to white text on black background. That way you save a lot energy on AMOLED-screens. It's also quite well done in K9. Most inverted or "blacked out"-apps tend to look rather goofy. For SMS I use "Textra", that has a pretty nice dark theme too.

nygbrad said:
I thought the first sticky said any phone with 4.4.3 or higher cannot be unlocked.
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there is one way to find out: TRY IT

Thanks I will definitely try the email app.
And I'm not an expert in rooting. Only did the last few phones I had. I always make sure they're proven to work before I try them haha.

nygbrad said:
I thought the first sticky said any phone with 4.4.3 or higher cannot be unlocked.
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You read it totally wrong. Any phone on 4.4.3 or higher can not be rooted WITH AN EXPLOIT.
Any phone *except* Verizon (non-dev edition), AT&T, and Republic Wireless, can have the BL unlocked FREE, from Moto's unlock site.
Good Luck.

I came from an S3 and i found the MotoX to be much faster in responsiveness. Touchwiz is such a bulky laggy skin, although with that said, I do miss a couple of things about it:
1. The notification toggles
2. The photo gallery (create folders and drag-drop move feature so handy)
3. The ICS calendar integration
On 4.4 the battery was great on the X, but i found later iterations of the OS made the battery worse
Radio signal is much better on the MotoX device I can get LTE signal in my house which I never got with the S3
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