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[Q] Can I update? Confused by so many unclear posts.

Background information:
Bought the AT&T version when it came out right away
Got root the first time it was released
Updated root when next update came out ( Didn't know if I need to )
OTA has been Frozen since I got the phone
Is it safe for me? Should I go back to the first version and then update?
Trust me I've read the posts and since I know there have been some issues on the Verizon side I wasn't sure if that was something that was effecting AT&T too. If some one could please give me an explain of that to it would be extremely helpful as I like to know my **** so I can help others.
Thanks

Icon000 said:
Background information:
Bought the AT&T version when it came out right away
Got root the first time it was released
Updated root when next update came out ( Didn't know if I need to )
OTA has been Frozen since I got the phone
Is it safe for me? Should I go back to the first version and then update?
Trust me I've read the posts and since I know there have been some issues on the Verizon side I wasn't sure if that was something that was effecting AT&T too. If some one could please give me an explain of that to it would be extremely helpful as I like to know my **** so I can help others.
Thanks
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Flash back to stock via RSDLite. Let it boot up. Get your gmail setup.
When the prompt comes up, DL the .54 update. Install.
Root with jcase's new root method.
Or you could just install safestrap. Install a ROM with the camera update and not worry about it until kitkat comes around.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(

I'm not really interested in updating to another Rom unless it has the touchless controls or something really interesting. Touchless Controls is one of the main reasons I got this phone next to battery life.
Is Safestrap finally settled down? I feel like last time I check there were still messages about bugs and other issues?
matt99017d said:
Flash back to stock via RSDLite. Let it boot up. Get your gmail setup.
When the prompt comes up, DL the .54 update. Install.
Root with jcase's new root method.
Or you could just install safestrap. Install a ROM with the camera update and not worry about it until kitkat comes around.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
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Icon000 said:
I'm not really interested in updating to another Rom unless it has the touchless controls or something really interesting. Touchless Controls is one of the main reasons I got this phone next to battery life.
Is Safestrap finally settled down? I feel like last time I check there were still messages about bugs and other issues?
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the only rom out for SS that i am aware of is just a ported tmobile rom for vzw phones that has the update built in. Basically it is just the OTA stock rom running on SS. This is what I am using currently. Not sure if it flashable for ATT phones, but I'm sure there is some workaround there. Or maybe the OP on that thread can make a ATT one if you asked him. SS is stable as of now. Haven't had any new updates to it because no one is having any problems currently (at least with moto x devices).
For your question pertaining to options for taking the OTA. There are 4 methods now.
1. SS method described above
2. use the thread called something like "keep root through the OTA." It basically takes the ota without updating the BL so you can still downgrade to your stock original FW that you are on now. It's the same thing as the SS method because SS also does not udpate the BL, but you won't be using SS for this method obviously.
3. you can flash recovery.img (and system.img if you need to) or just RSD, then install pwnmymoto without running it, then take the ota and pwnmymoto will root the phone automatically after the ota is taken. you won't be able to downgrade your FW anymore with this method.
4. you can just take the ota (also must flash or use rsd to take it obviously) and then use jcase's rockmymoto root exploit. This uses adb commands and telnet stuff. Not too difficult but if you are unfamiliar with all of that then it will take at least some reading. There is also a thread out there for windows users that simplifies it pretty well.
For future Kit kat root. it is still up in the air what will happen with that. I chose to use SS because it was easy. quick. and allows me to make nandroids. I also like knowing that I can still flash to original stock FW in case that might be necessarry for getting root on kit kat. This seems less likely now that jcase created a root method for the OTA that is out, but I'm still just playing it safe personally, even if it might be pointless now.

Rooting 4.2.2 AFTER WP-=OFF what ami missing!

I hope its a simple mistake on my end of being blind, but i have not been able to locate ( if possible ) a way to root 4.2.2 with already running wpnomoto. I was hoping i could do that and get back on SS and run a ROM. Can someone point me in the right direction?
I was on 4.4 and went back to 4.2.2.....or am i out of luck and have to just settle for rooted stock 4.4?

With me being impatient i ended up going back to 4.4 I know that safestrap does not "work" on 4.4, BUT I was able to install it and flash the eclipse ROM on the stock slot! Booted up and seems to be running like a champ! Id still like to find out in regards to the OP though.

matt99017d said:
With me being impatient i ended up going back to 4.4 I know that safestrap does not "work" on 4.4, BUT I was able to install it and flash the eclipse ROM on the stock slot! Booted up and seems to be running like a champ! Id still like to find out in regards to the OP though.
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i rooted mine then tried to put 4.4 update, and now it keeps rebooting.. won't stop. ideas?

xpsychox said:
i rooted mine then tried to put 4.4 update, and now it keeps rebooting.. won't stop. ideas?
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Fastboot erase cache
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Fastboot erase cache
Sent on my Moto X
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so after I do the root and click install 4.4, shoudl I go to fastboot and clear cache?

xpsychox said:
so after I do the root and click install 4.4, shoudl I go to fastboot and clear cache?
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You can not flash the 4.4 ota with any form of custom recovery or root , it will bootloop as you found out. So to stop the bootloops you need to delete the ota in the cache folder. What method did you use to root?
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
You can not flash the 4.4 ota with any form of custom recovery or root , it will bootloop as you found out. So to stop the bootloops you need to delete the ota in the cache folder. What method did you use to root?
Sent on my Moto X
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rock my moto.. how do i delete the cache? and i didn't flash any 4.4.. i took the OTA like i was told. per the instructions.

xpsychox said:
rock my moto.. how do i delete the cache?
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Fastboot erase cache, read the slapmymoto thread, I believe you need to be on 4.2 to root 4.4 kitkat
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Fastboot erase cache, read the slapmymoto thread, I believe you need to be on 4.2 to root 4.4 kitkat
Sent on my Moto X
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yes, i was on 4.4 and put 4.2.2 back on and gained root access and then went to install 4.4 OTA like the rockmymoto instructions say, and then i get stuck in reboot..

xpsychox said:
yes, i was on 4.4 and put 4.2.2 back on and gained root access and then went to install 4.4 OTA like the rockmymoto instructions say, and then i get stuck in reboot..
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Read slapmymoto, it says you need to install jar files and then you can take the ota
Try this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2573177
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Read slapmymoto, it says you need to install jar files and then you can take the ota
Try this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2573177
Sent on my Moto X
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i did, i adb pushed rockmymoto, with su, and slapmymoto jar files... but then it says to take OTA 4.4 and that's when it reboots indefinitely...

xpsychox said:
i did, i adb pushed rockmymoto, with su, and slapmymoto jar files... but then it says to take OTA 4.4 and that's when it reboots indefinitely...
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Wish I could help further but lucky me , I have a unlockable boot loader, ask in the thread that I linked in my previous post
Sent on my Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Wish I could help further but lucky me , I have a unlockable boot loader, ask in the thread that I linked in my previous post
Sent on my Moto X
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i did, they're all offline.. *sad face* ...lol

matt99017d said:
With me being impatient i ended up going back to 4.4 I know that safestrap does not "work" on 4.4, BUT I was able to install it and flash the eclipse ROM on the stock slot! Booted up and seems to be running like a champ! Id still like to find out in regards to the OP though.
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Matt, I guess that was what you did:
1. You had a root 4.4.
2. You run MotoWpNoMo to turn off WP permenently (yes, it is permenent).
3. You flashed the unit back to 4.2.2 for a reason (but you should lost the root) .
4. With 4.2.2 and WP off, you wished you can run RockMyMoto to gain the root again (in 4.2.2).
5. But you found that RockMyMoto stopped at the Step 1 since the WP is off or "0". No more Step 2 and 3. So basically, you wasn't able to re-gain the root.
6. So you decided to reflash the unit back to 4.4.
7. Then you installed again the Safestrape.
8. And you found that SS was still working.
But, after you lost your root, how did you make the SS to work? Very interesting!

danhe said:
Matt, I guess that was what you did:
1. You had a root 4.4.
2. You run MotoWpNoMo to turn off WP permenently (yes, it is permenent).
3. You flashed the unit back to 4.2.2 for a reason (but you should lost the root) .
4. With 4.2.2 and WP off, you wished you can run RockMyMoto to gain the root again (in 4.2.2).
5. But you found that RockMyMoto stopped at the Step 1 since the WP is off or "0". No more Step 2 and 3. So basically, you wasn't able to re-gain the root.
6. So you decided to reflash the unit back to 4.4.
7. Then you installed again the Safestrape.
8. And you found that SS was still working.
But, after you lost your root, how did you make the SS to work? Very interesting!
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Update. SS is sketchy. I tried to use it and its rough around the edges. I think I flashed my phone via RSD today around 6 times..... I ended up back on rooted 4.4
I though I read somewhere that someone had altered the program so it'll root 4.2.2.......
FYI I was able to obtain root on just 4.2.2 using slapmymoto and NOT taking the OTA. I did every step and I was able to install super su and get root access.
That means I have tried SS ON 4.2.2 AND 4.4 I got the same result on both stock Roms. The only thing I tried to flash was ECLIPSE ROM. Maybe that ROM was what was being finiky and NOT SS......MAKE SENSE?
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matt99017d said:
Update. SS is sketchy. I tried to use it and its rough around the edges. I think I flashed my phone via RSD today around 6 times..... I ended up back on rooted 4.4
I though I read somewhere that someone had altered the program so it'll root 4.2.2.......
FYI I was able to obtain root on just 4.2.2 using slapmymoto and NOT taking the OTA. I did every step and I was able to install super su and get root access.
That means I have tried SS ON 4.2.2 AND 4.4 I got the same result on both stock Roms. The only thing I tried to flash was ECLIPSE ROM. Maybe that ROM was what was being finiky and NOT SS......MAKE SENSE?
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Matt, thanks for your quick response. I found that I wasn't able to gain the root for a WP-Off unit with 4.2.2 by the "old" SlapMyMoto. jcase released a new version that works perfectly for a WP-Off unit. Thanks, jcase!

I flashed 4.2.2 and rooting.

Some games I wanted to play doesn't support 4.4 so I flashed back to Camera update 4.2.2 and tried again games worked. So, I decided to stay on 4.2.2.
I tried rockmymoto again and I get is system is not write protected... executing step 3... nothing happens
toolkit even doesn't work. Any methods to root only 4.2.2? at&t user here...
Thanks in advance!

I believe since you disabled write protection you need to root using slapmymoto 4.4
slapped the sh*t out of my X

LeonKnight12 said:
Some games I wanted to play doesn't support 4.4 so I flashed back to Camera update 4.2.2 and tried again games worked. So, I decided to stay on 4.2.2.
I tried rockmymoto again and I get is system is not write protected... executing step 3... nothing happens
toolkit even doesn't work. Any methods to root only 4.2.2? at&t user here...
Thanks in advance!
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Root in 3 mins or less
Easy..... Just install recovery twrp 2.6.3.1, it works with 4.2.2 and 4.4. This recovery will ask u if u want to root/install superSU.
Then...when the moto x starts goto playtore and update/install superSU.

omias said:
Root in 3 mins or less
Easy..... Just install recovery twrp 2.6.3.1, it works with 4.2.2 and 4.4. This recovery will ask u if u want to root/install superSU.
Then...when the moto x starts goto playtore and update/install superSU.
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I think you missed where LeonKnight12 says " at&t user here." so can't install TWRP since ATT can't unlock bootloader, unless I missed something.

U right...... Fk at&t !!!

First time I rooted I made back up and updated I forgot to take that back up into PC :banghead:
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lowvolt1 said:
I believe since you disabled write protection you need to root using slapmymoto 4.4
slapped the sh*t out of my X
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You are right, I never realized slapmymot 4.4 can be used on 4.2.2 to root. I wasted many hours to find solution. I'm glad I rooted 4.2.2 and staying there.

[Q] Moto X can't be rerooted?

As for the Moto X my issue seems isolated. Heres what happened.
1.After successfully gaining root access on 4.4, I notice one big problem. My touchless control wouldn't activate via saying ok google now unless I was google search. I tried everything I could to get it to work (check my recent post) but going back to 4.2.2 to re-slapmymoto was the only option.
2.Flashed to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite. Good news is touchless control worked again. Now the disappointing news...
3.Before slapping I wanted to see what was lost and what stuck after flashing, so I checked my write protection. It came back '0'. Check for root access, it showed su: not found or in other words, not rooted.
4.I was going through the rockmymoto process then hit a snag. After entering the dalvikvm code into puttytel/telnet, it took me straight to step 3 and did absolutely nothing (see picture). I waited for 1min anyways and checked root again...no dice. Adb rebooted the device, reconnected to puttytel and checked again...nothing.
I've searched for about 4hrs straight trying to figure this out. Is there really no way to root again???
Verizon Moto X (currently 4.2.2)

I've been reading that if you downgrade to 4.2.2 then receive OTA update you will brick the phone, be careful.
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SPACE-AGE-INC said:
As for the Moto X my issue seems isolated. Heres what happened.
1.After successfully gaining root access on 4.4, I notice one big problem. My touchless control wouldn't activate via saying ok google now unless I was google search. I tried everything I could to get it to work (check my recent post) but going back to 4.2.2 to re-slapmymoto was the only option.
2.Flashed to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite. Good news is touchless control worked again. Now the disappointing news...
3.Before slapping I wanted to see what was lost and what stuck after flashing, so I checked my write protection. It came back '0'. Check for root access, it showed su: not found or in other words, not rooted.
4.I was going through the rockmymoto process then hit a snag. After entering the dalvikvm code into puttytel/telnet, it took me straight to step 3 and did absolutely nothing (see picture). I waited for 1min anyways and checked root again...no dice. Adb rebooted the device, reconnected to puttytel and checked again...nothing.
I've searched for about 4hrs straight trying to figure this out. Is there really no way to root again???
Verizon Moto X (currently 4.2.2)
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Lol,you won't brick.
To get phone rooted again since you already have write protection turned off, just use slapmymoto instead of rockmymoto. I know you said you were on 4.2.2 but the write protection turned off will not let rockmymoto complete.
Good luck and hope this helps!

eksasol said:
I've been reading that if you downgrade to 4.2.2 then receive OTA update you will brick the phone, be careful.
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Klown80 said:
Lol,you won't brick.
To get phone rooted again since you already have write protection turned off, just use slapmymoto instead of rockmymoto. I know you said you were on 4.2.2 but the write protection turned off will not let rockmymoto complete.
Good luck and hope this helps!
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SPACE-AGE-INC said:
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I'm having the exact same problem as OP doing the exact same thing WP 0 etc.. I used SlapMYMoto, after the reboot on step 2 I waited about 5 minutes installed Supersu and same error OP was getting, thoughts?

Lost root on moto x

I'm on Verizon 4.4 never took update since no root (that I know of) woke up a few days ago and saw titanium backup said "unable to gain root access" somehow I lost it? I used jcades way with adb and gained root.. Killed WP. I downloaded root checker and said I had none.. Ideas?
Slapped my Moto

I don't know how root would go away without something on your phone changing...but best place to ask might be in the thread you got the root method from.

xpsychox said:
I'm on Verizon 4.4 never took update since no root (that I know of) woke up a few days ago and saw titanium backup said "unable to gain root access" somehow I lost it? I used jcades way with adb and gained root.. Killed WP. I downloaded root checker and said I had none.. Ideas?
Slapped my Moto
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Sounds like you either accepted the OTA to 4.4.2, or the 4.4.2 OTA was FORCED on you. Double check your phone under Settings -> About.
With 4.4.2, the vulnerability that allowed MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection with a locked bootloader has been patched, and the ability to safely and successfully downgrade your ROM to 4.4 and below (in order to make use of MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection, and SlapyMyMoto or the like to root) has been taken away too. No new vulnerabilities have been found, nor has a replacement for MotoWpNoMo been found/created/released.
In short, if you have 4.4.2 or above on your X, and you can't unlock the booloader (like Verizon and ATT, unless you are able to make use of the Chinese web site or MiddleMan), you can't disable write protection (so any apps that need to write/save to /system, /system/bin, etc wont work even if you manage to gain root) and while PIE roots 4.4.2 it is "temporary" in that its lost every time you reboot (power off/on). NOTE: the vulnerability used is patched in 4.4.3 so PIE can't be used on 4.4.3 and above.
If by chance you are still on 4.4,I don't know why you would have lost root, but I would consider backing everything up,flashing the stock VZW 4.4 SBF, and following the SlapMyMoto/MotoWpNoMo processes from scratch. When completed find the /System/priv-app/3C_OTA.APK and rename it so your phone doesn't check for future OTA's.

I've got moto ota froze..
Slapped my Moto

xpsychox said:
I've got moto ota froze..
Slapped my Moto
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And did you double check your version?

Yes..checked before postinf
Slapped my Moto

Screen shot that I just took
Slapped my Moto

xpsychox said:
Screen shot that I just took
Slapped my Moto
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And you never flashed 4.4.2 and downgraded to 4.4, right?

Yes..I used the jcase method by adb shell before someone made a tool.. With slapmymoto etc.like in said wokebup one day (about a week ago?) And said no more root?
Slapped my Moto

xpsychox said:
Yes..I used the jcase method by adb shell before someone made a tool.. With slapmymoto etc.like in said wokebup one day (about a week ago?) And said no more root?
Slapped my Moto
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I have no idea then. The only times I've seen root lost is those where update was forced on them. And the only time I've seen root lost when using SlapMyMoto/MotoWPNoMO on reboot was one or two who had 4.4.2 and did a partial down grade to 4.4 and tried Slap/WpNoMo.

When I get home I'll have to try and re root...
Slapped my Moto

I just noticed something strange as I was checking my root and updates status, system updates is now at the bottom of the menu .. used to be top. I rooted with slap and than renamed the 3c_ota.apk and .odex files and I force a system update check and it fails.. so im still good on root but dont know how the menu has changed on my phone. I dont freeze anything dont have titanium thing installed..

This is weird...lol
Slapped my Moto

so i've decided to go ahead and try to re root my moto x. I'm following the instructions i did last time, the slapmymoto (don't need to do motowpnomo cuz i did check the WP, i have 0), pushed rockmymoto but i can't get cydia impactor to connect, keeps saying "signature bugs unavailable" and if i click "usb" drop down and say "scan for device" it say "no device" ideas?

xpsychox said:
so i've decided to go ahead and try to re root my moto x. I'm following the instructions i did last time, the slapmymoto (don't need to do motowpnomo cuz i did check the WP, i have 0), pushed rockmymoto but i can't get cydia impactor to connect, keeps saying "signature bugs unavailable" and if i click "usb" drop down and say "scan for device" it say "no device" ideas?
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Straight from jcase's slapmymoto thread: "This is a "root path" for the 4.4 update, and in this case you will retain your stock recovery so features like remote wipe will continue to work. It requires you downgrading to 4.2.2 or already be on 4.2.2 before updating to 4.4."
Your screenshot shows that you are running 4.4. Additionally, you start off saying you followed instructions for slapmymoto, then you reference rockmymoto... Which one are you using? Or are you using both?
Additionally, you need to be VERY careful if you downgrade. Follow jcase's instructions exactly. There is a big risk of bricking if you make even one innocent mistake.
Please advise...

samwathegreat said:
Straight from jcase's slapmymoto thread: "This is a "root path" for the 4.4 update, and in this case you will retain your stock recovery so features like remote wipe will continue to work. It requires you downgrading to 4.2.2 or already be on 4.2.2 before updating to 4.4."
Your screenshot shows that you are running 4.4. Additionally, you start off saying you followed instructions for slapmymoto, then you reference rockmymoto... Which one are you using? Or are you using both?
Additionally, you need to be VERY careful if you downgrade. Follow jcase's instructions exactly. There is a big risk of bricking if you make even one innocent mistake.
Please advise...
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I was pushing both BC it says to..as I said in first post I did jcases root and had then somehow lost it... So idk how/why just did.. I was hoping I didn't have to downgrade but I had a feeling... But even so it wouldn't explain why I can't use the err.. That program that starts with a c.. Only thing I can remember from last time I think I had to play with my phone setting and put it from USB to photo mode or something like that... Other thing I have thought about is now I am using a cradle point mbr95 modem/router combo. Idk if it blocks it? I know HW to downgrade to 4.2.2 u have to edit one of the lines in the script for the fxz. Done it before... Just don't understand why that program wouldn't work?
Slapped my Moto

Have you tried going into SuperSU > settings tab > unchecking and checking "enable superuser"? I know this sounds like a stupid question but sometimes stating the obvious can help narrow things down. I had this problem on my old Skyrocket before where I would suddenly lose root but be able to gain it back again simply by refreshing this setting in SuperSU.

1ad_m12 said:
Have you tried going into SuperSU > settings tab > unchecking and checking "enable superuser"? I know this sounds like a stupid question but sometimes stating the obvious can help narrow things down. I had this problem on my old Skyrocket before where I would suddenly lose root but be able to gain it back again simply by refreshing this setting in SuperSU.
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Wtf.... Wow disabled and renamed and it worked.... Never heard if it.. Thanks!!
Slapped my Moto

xpsychox said:
Wtf.... Wow disabled and renamed and it worked.... Never heard if it.. Thanks!!
Slapped my Moto
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:good: glad to help!

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:good: glad to help!
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I still can't believe that worked... Lol
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