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I would like to ask for every one who have "experience" in thins forum to announce them self "would hael newbie"/WHN. So newbie who affradi can PM them, so they can direct to right forum or ask the newbie to make new post, because it's never been posted before.
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I'm cornelius not a proffesional at all.. even not a "senior member" at all, even some time i have wrong english spelling, but i've get a lot of help from this forum, so i'll help newbie who looking for help for their alpine's device. You can PM me, even Email me (like other person was), i can't guarented to answer your question so instant, but with this i hope i can help this forum like this forum help me a lot.Don't be affraid it's public forum...
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But please be polite, someone asked me for help (come from same country as me) but i read their PM to late, then i try to sms that person asking if their problem have been resolve, but he replied me(I try to translate to english): "NOT YET!!!! but if you can't help, just leave.. DAM... as........."I'm shocked and didn't reply him again...
Me, myself often found that "search" function didn't help at all, i have 2 browse manually, even internet connection from my country is slow.... and totally expensive...
But this what i can give to this forum...
I hope other "senior member" or experience member can do same thing...
I Hope this forum always get BETER each time....
Bravo XDA-DEVELOPERS...................
I respectfully disagree. I think we should encourage people to post rather than PM straight away. The only reason I am a "senior member" on this forum is because I have my browser open most of the time at work so I managed to rake up over 500 messages to this day.
I am not an expert, and I have absolutely no knowledge in some of the topics this forum covers. Although I can't speak for everyone I believe this to be true for most people on this forum.
While I will always try to answer any PM to the best of my ability, I will always recommend posting the question to the forum first. I am just one person and may not know the answer, make a mistake or give incomplete information. Also there may be a better way to solve the problem.
This is why it is always better if many people see your question.
As for posting in the wrong place, worse case scenario is that and admin will move your thread to the proper place.
As for the search I can only hope it will improve now that the forum switched to the new system.
Finally, you need not worry about language here. English is not my native language either and it is the same for many on this forum. It is a global forum and that's part of what makes it great.
(P.S. I owe my descent spelling to google toolbar spell checker )
I hope every member can be as polite as you levenum, so this forum will much... better. I mean PM juct for confirmation after that ofcourse it's better 2 post on fourm.
I hope the serach function will be get better...
How to change my forum "Profile name"
Hi, Does nayone know how to change my profile name on this forum. If it is not possible how could i delete this name and add myself under another name?
Thanks
When a member (both new and senior) repeats a post/question that has been answered before torches rise, everybody looses their head and hell breaks loose.
Just hear me out, please
Some members complain that repeating questions and posts "create spam" and just clug the forums. But comments that complain about those posts are just as unhelpful in the community.
All I'm saying is that I belive most users do search before posting a question, and they might not have found the answer with their specific phrasing. If they address the question in a different manner, in a near future when some one else encounters that same problem, they there are more chances of finding the answer, or even better: a more updated one!
So please: if you have easy access to the answer or a reference to it, it will cost you next to nothing and might save the forum several posts there after if you just actually help!!
This is something all forums suffer from. Just wanted to bring more awareness to the issue from a different perspective than most users.
... go ahead and flame me if you must
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All I'm saying is that I believe most users do search before posting a question, and they might not have found the answer with their specific phrasing.
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True enough, but the people who find the answers tend not to start a new thread about how they had a problem and then fixed it .
I've not really run into much trouble with the searching. If I find a thread where someone has asked a question that I'm also looking for the answer to and it's full of replies saying how it's been answered plenty of times before then at least I know it's an issue that's been dealt with and I can keep looking, confident that my answer is out there.
Sometimes it gets a little excessive when there's more than two or three replies to someone's thread telling them to search, but then it is clear that there's a hell of a lot of people out there that just plain don't bother trying to find things out for themselves. If anything can be done to make sure that they only do this the once, I'm all in favour.
ok, so i'll reply to this post by also referencing an answer
this thread is redundant you <insert worst insult you can think of here> noob
please see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371254
Ahhh....the irony!
I just put a rehash of previous posts in the last post and in my first post in that thread, and in Notatreofan's recent thread. Just so that more threads aren't created, I've included it here too.
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As for the problem with redundant threads, I've been trying to either:
Giving the new user a search term (that we know will help), or
given the new user a way to navigate and use the resources here, mostly created by us to prevent users from asking questions in the first place, or
given the noob the links he wanted.
If you're genuinely interested in helping others, you'll realize that two of the three ways actually teach a person new things, which means they'll be better off on their own, while #3 only encourages them to ask more questions.
Finally, it's not the amount of time you've been here reading, because that's not contributing back to the community. So my suggestion to you would be to come back and re-read this thread after you've contributed back to the forum by having at least 500+ genuinely helpful posts and see if you feel the same way.
And I don't mean your suggestions to fix a soft key issue by bashing the keyboard with a screwdriver
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I'd like to add, if you're feeling particularly annoyed, you can always include this link. If you append your search terms like this:
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http://www.justf**kinggoogleit.com/search?q=tilt+backlight+phone+call
It will redirect after 15 seconds to the google page you want. I highly suggest a bit of chastising when using that link, but please make sure they're aware that it is humorous and slightly offensive
Perhaps I've forgotten to emphasize that there is a fine line between chastising and harassing. Some members take it too far while not helping at all The idea is to get new users to become self-reliant, not flame the living crap out of them and belittle them
[Mod Edit: The Previous Thread by Dutty was removed by request, because of it's sensitive WM 6.5 content, unfortunatly this sometimes has to happen and is not in particular because the developer or XDA wants to keep information away from the Public. I hope, that without going into to much detail that we can count on the understanding of you al. If there are questions regarding Removed threads please don't hesitate to ask a Mod directly At The Moment this is being investigated.
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There are some strange things.
The first: why that thread was closed?? On that thread there were interesting infos usefull for many people here. So, WHY??
Second: why this morning that thread disappeared completely??
Third: why no one seems to have those rom dumps from Rhodium and Topaz??
Only one person seems to have got those dumps, it's clear reading the thread.
SO, WHY NO ONE HAS SHARED THE DUMPs???
THOSE ARE PERHAPS USELESS FOR THIS COMMUNITY????
In my opinion this is REALLY STRANGE, and I can't understand the points above.
Is this a community to develop something together or not??
SO, WHY NOT SHARE THOSE SOURCES(I REPEAT, SOURCES!!)??? Those are usefull for all the community!!! OR I'M WRONG??!?!?!?!?
Please, someone tell me that I'm wrong or let me know what's the spirit of xda-developers!
make a complaint to admin of this site
Uh! Oh!!!
I can't believe it. I hope that some one could explane me (us) what is it? I couldn't believe such a behaviour on this forum. Never seen before and I am there since so many time!!!
About the sharing: where did the spirit of this forum go???
It is obvious you did not even bother to ask any moderator or the admin before starting this thread. Please follow those procedures before you start a new thread accusing a mod of being sneaky and underhanded. This thread is closed as it will not lead to anything productive. We will look into it.
In the future please afford everyone the respect of actually looking into a matter before publicly accusing people of anything.
Banned Luana P because it's an SOCK-puppet account (reg. IP matches the IP of another user).
This account has been opend by another member to accuse other people and keep the "master" safe.
like the title,is the 23053 ROM have the sms problem like the 23049? it can't receive the sms mail when turn off the screen.
any body can ask me about this?thanks
here's the answer
thank you for your answer.
may be i am a new guy in this forum.so something i don't know yet.so thank you your ask.
but:
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Dont answer this ignorant person, its obvious you havent read the forum rules
yes.i don't read the forum rules. and i don't know have it too.i a new people for this forum.
but i don't damn the forum rules.i just want to ask you forum rules have this one rules. help everybody who need to help.
i am a ignorant person? if you are a ingnorant person,i think you won't wated your time to discuss this no about the mobile question.you will go to ask the question if have somebody need answer.
The fact is you question has been answered a thousand times before and you need to search
if you answer me this,that i'll so thanks for you answer.because i'm a new people.new to this forum. so,for your last answer,i thank you.
but you all answer before,it is likt to ask me,i can't ask any question in this forum, and i must be a senior member when i am joinning this forum.know everything.
being new and having questions is no excuse, if everyone started a thread for every question they had it would turn into chaos.... dont be lazy, read read read, search and follow the rules!
but the forum have too much question.i just search it one time.no body have been post the 23053 ROM question and answer about 23053 ROM SMS. if have the same as my question and answer before,pls show me the address.i think that is your best work. and tell me to see the forum rules and learn it next time.
this is the real helpful for me and the other have same quetion people.no just tell to search and learn the rules.if i know how to do you,i won't post this quetion. if you can let me know about my question answer,pls tell me.and tell me how to do if i have the question too next time. no just tell me how to do next time and tell me i am a ignorant person. you want to joke me or help me and other new people?
the xet member answer me install the tweak and setup it will be OK.i had try,it's really good. so if somebody had the same problem as me.pls install tweak and setup.
today say too much.but just xet the answer is to my question.thanks
ok guys calm down.
First off @ it1861 - Try and abide by forum rules and search before creating a new thread. Yes, you are correct, the rules do say to try and help others when they ask a question. But you have to understand a lt of questions get asked countless times and people lose their patience when others don't search. Obviously they shouldn't lose their cool but instead should direct you to previous thread, and remind you of forum rules before a mod comes and closes thread.
Secondly @ shruff - Everyone has been a noob at some point including myself and it can be hard at first to navigate site. Please treat others with repsect and the way you would like to be treated. No need to lose your cool, just report thread and a mod will come and assist when available.
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Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
Too many people are trying to take the easy road and post a new thread on a subject or idea, usually asking a question about something that has already been answered instead of doing a simple search!
I've been a member here for a couple years now and haven't needed to post very much because, if you take the time, the information is out there. 99.9% of the time, you aren't the first person to ask a question, have a problem, or hit a wall.
If you're having trouble doing something that was posted in a thread, POST YOUR QUESTION IN THAT THREAD!!
It seems as though there are a lot of newbies who are anxious to root their Inc, which is fine: If you pay attention, read the instructions and most of the thread before you begin, and follow them to a T . Every time I have a problem either rooting or installing a ROM or something else, I am the one who did something wrong.
Some of you are probably new to the Thread concept, which is also fine. It's very frustrating getting used to how they work, and learning the "right" way to do things- but trust me, it's worth it.
Posting a new thread is like standing on a chair in the middle of a crowded room and screaming out a question. If your in the wrong room (i.e. wrong section), people are going to be upset. If the question was already answered by another group (i.e. another forum), people are also going to be upset. If you aren't sure if you should start a new thread, you probably shouldn't.
Take the time and READ THE RULES! Here they are if you don't know where to find them:
New forum rules, please read!
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
2. Member conduct.
2.1 Language: XDA is a worldwide community. As a result what is ‘ok’ to say in your part of the world may not be ok in someone else’s part of the world. Please think about who is reading what you write. Keep in mind that what you think of as acceptable use of language may not be acceptable to others. Conversely, while reading member posts, remember that word you find offensive may not be to the writer. Tolerance is a two way street.
2.2 Nudity: XDA is used by people of all ages, including minors. It's not acceptable to post nude/pornographic imagery, which includes exposure of the male or female genitalia or of female breasts.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and/or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive, therefore none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
2.5 New Members: Treat new members the way you would have liked to have been treated when you were a new member. Provide the new members with guidance, advice and instruction always with respect and courtesy.
2.6 All members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules.
3. Post only using a clear subject and message.
You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
4. Use the English language.
We understand that with all the different nationalities not everyone speaks English well, but please try. If you're really unable to post in English use an online translator, You're free to include your original message in your own language below the English translation.
5. Post a message only once.
As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
7. Do not spam.
If you wish to advertise a product, contact us we provide ads. But do not post it in the forums, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
You are however allowed to sell used goods like your own device, parts of your device or accessories for your device in the marketplace forum, please read the rules there before posting. (This rule includes signatures, if you use a signature it will appear in your post)
8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
11. Don’t post with the intent on selling something.
As an elaboration to rule number 7, don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. If you are the proprietor of a for-pay product or service, you may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or offer support on the product, but you may not make any posts with the primary intent of selling. This includes posting press releases, announcements, or links to downloads for trial software. The only exception to this is when you’re posting an exclusive release to XDA.
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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So instead of starting a new thread like "How do I.." or "Where do I" or "Why can't I..." Do a search of the threads, Google it, or even hop on over to PPC Geeks, Trust me- you'll find the answers you're looking for.
BTW - Thanks to Mikey1022 for moderating
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I wish people had to read this before they could post new threads. This forum seems to be worse than most of the other android forums on xda... not sure why.
Everyone who disagrees with this should check out the nexus one forum to get an idea of how lax things are here.
You better watch it. Some people may take offense to this. people also have to be aware when they do make a new thread that it is in the correct section. Too many questions are being posted in Development instead of General. Let's keep the sections on topic so people can find what they came looking for.
I agree, but I can see the other side as well.
The "Root process" thread is up to 108 pages. Sure, searching helps, but you are still poring over pages and pages of forums for hours. I kind of learned that this was the buy-in from my WinMo days, but that doesn't make it less frustrating.
One advantage to sticking to existing threads, however, is that people who are successful will probably post back to that thread, with any variations they used, whereas they are less likely to post to a new thread.
Calibob2001 said:
Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
Too many people are trying to take the easy road and post a new thread on a subject or idea, usually asking a question about something that has already been answered instead of doing a simple search!
I've been a member here for a couple years now and haven't needed to post very much because, if you take the time, the information is out there. 99.9% of the time, you aren't the first person to ask a question, have a problem, or hit a wall.
If you're having trouble doing something that was posted in a thread, POST YOUR QUESTION IN THAT THREAD!!
It seems as though there are a lot of newbies who are anxious to root their Inc, which is fine: If you pay attention, read the instructions and most of the thread before you begin, and follow them to a T . Every time I have a problem either rooting or installing a ROM or something else, I am the one who did something wrong.
Some of you are probably new to the Thread concept, which is also fine. It's very frustrating getting used to how they work, and learning the "right" way to do things- but trust me, it's worth it.
Posting a new thread is like standing on a chair in the middle of a crowded room and screaming out a question. If your in the wrong room (i.e. wrong section), people are going to be upset. If the question was already answered by another group (i.e. another forum), people are also going to be upset. If you aren't sure if you should start a new thread, you probably shouldn't.
Take the time and READ THE RULES! Here they are if you don't know where to find them:
So instead of starting a new thread like "How do I.." or "Where do I" or "Why can't I..." Do a search of the threads, Google it, or even hop on over to PPC Geeks, Trust me- you'll find the answers you're looking for.
BTW - Thanks to Mikey1022 for moderating
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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Hopefully this catches the eyes of those who need to read it most...
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You know they won't. The ones who post these repeated topics are the ones who freak out when they're lost, post a topic, and hit refresh all day instead of looking for the answer. The only ones who actually read this are the ones already pissed off about it.
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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LOL, I didn't even read it. Just scrolled to through the comments
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I agree, but I can see the other side as well.
The "Root process" thread is up to 108 pages. Sure, searching helps, but you are still poring over pages and pages of forums for hours. I kind of learned that this was the buy-in from my WinMo days, but that doesn't make it less frustrating.
One advantage to sticking to existing threads, however, is that people who are successful will probably post back to that thread, with any variations they used, whereas they are less likely to post to a new thread.
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There are so many pages of topics because of the issue that is being described. There is a very handy function called "search" that, while not perfect, at least narrows results down for you. You can search within a Section, Topic or down to a single thread for key words.
Odds are, if you are on here you know how to navigate the web. If you can't perform a basic search in a topic or thread then please don't try to root your phone or follow any instructions to change, modify or "hack" anything.
As was brought out by [OP], if you WANT to do something that you think will be useful to you, read up on it. If you do run into an issue, search the key word of your issue. Entering "boot loop", "frozen", "Error message 123" will return something to help you find your answer. Odds are, you are not alone and, if you find you are alone, return to the thread where you were following instructions to do whatever it was you want to do and post a reply describing your issues. [OP] or others who are familiar with the process will help. Patience is a must.
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How much time did you spend writing this? No ones going to pay attention.
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Far too long than I care to admit - My first draft was rather angry and the overtone has calmed quite a bit...
And even if ONE newbie reads it and gleans even a whisper of insight as to how to operate the forums, then I have been 100% successful- even if 1% of those who read it take this to heart, at this point, that's still 2 fewer Threads the moderators have to close down...
Trust me, no matter what you try to do, you cannot stop people from reposting over and over.
Trust me, no matter what forum I'm at, it's the same thing over and over. It ruins it for us that actually read stuff and search for a while before asking, but such is life.
Infact if you'd search you'd see that there are multiple threads of this nature all over every forum...I know I've seen quite a few on XDA alone.
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Infact if you'd search you'd see that there are multiple threads of this nature all over every forum...I know I've seen quite a few on XDA alone.
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So are you saying the op didn't take his own advice?
BTW I am glad someone changed the title of this thread as no one is going to respect your opinion when you start off that way.
On a side note I am new to this forum but from my experience thus far it has been very underwhelming. I made one thread and had issues with posters coming off as elitists. I don't know how modding gets done around here but until people can be civil this will always be a secondary place for me to post about Android news and the Droid Incredible.
I expected more from an XDA forum.
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So are you saying the op didn't take his own advice?
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What he's saying is that there are a lot of people who don't read the Forum rules and post new threads without doing a little research to figure things out for themselves. If you need help figuring things out, that's fine- but don't expect other people to do your leg work for you.
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On a side note I am new to this forum but from my experience thus far it has been very underwhelming. I made one thread and had issues with posters coming off as elitists. I don't know how modding gets done around here but until people can be civil this will always be a secondary place for me to post about Android news and the Droid Incredible.
I expected more from an XDA forum.
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I looked up your thread, and honestly I found the answer to both of your questions with a very simple Google search- These are the threads that frustrate members most. There is already a thread that addresses everything from unlocking to removing apps and it's HERE, or better yet, you can look HERE for a list of safe apps to remove and how to remove them... This is where your questions should probably be, not in a new thread.
There are a lot of helpful, knowledgeable people here, you just gotta learn to follow the rules...
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and honestly I found the answer to both of your questions with a very simple Google search
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So you suggest doing a google search instead of coming to these forums for an answer?
Calibob2001 said:
There is already a thread that addresses everything from unlocking to removing apps and it's HERE, or better yet, you can look HERE for a list of safe apps to remove and how to remove them... This is where your questions should probably be, not in a new thread.
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The first thread you linked to is a root thread that covers every topic under the sun. So according to you we should just have one thread on this entire forum and no one should post anything outside of it.
The second thread you linked to I posted in and got 1 answer but many other questions were unanswered.
Still you are coming off as a complete elitist and I don't know why this thread is stickied when on most other forums this would have been locked, especially with the condescending way you started things off.
That is just my two cents.
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firstly the rules are already out there: dont repost them asking people not to repost
secondly people do search, but you cant expect everyone to get the search terms right all the time and find what they want. also there are a lot of questions that may sound similar but are not. most of the folks on xda are good people who are trying to get answers and are not purposeful spamming douchebags, so stop the whining and dont read threads you dont want to.