nothing about 2gb ram? i think that with vista we need it!
The Micro-DIMM manufacturer (Qimonda) doesn't have 2GB model available yet. There are some threads about this topic. Go for search.
But I definitely agree with you regarding Vista minimum requirements for usability...
Definitely 2GB+ is needed. I've searched exhaustively and not found a suitable memory upgrade. Given the recent considerations against 8mm HDDs, the current lack of availabilty of bigger RAM (and if/when it does come out, it will likely be very expensive), and the general desire for longer battery and better performance, a 64GB SSD (even at $1000) is starting to look very attractive to me. I guess I need to get busy selling my superceded electronics on ebay to offset the $$$.
I have upgraded mine to 64gb SSD. (got it off my portege r500) and swapped them. Now it works great no lags, and 3 seconds 2007 word opening. I highly suggest the ssd solution. it really make it usable, like using it with XP...
How much page file did you set up? Any perceived improvement in battery life?
Very interesting...
Which SSD drive did you use (brand/model) ?
(Toshiba 8mm HDD being definitely too thick for Shift casing... and slow)
FYI. Don't know if you've heard about the new intel SSDs due out in Q3. They will have a 1.8" with 80GB and later 120GB. These, and other larger drives from other manufacturers, will likely devalue current 64GB SSDs by half. Personally, I think I'll wait. I don't have $500 to flush down the toilet right now...
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I don't have $500 to flush down the toilet right now...
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Well... eh.... I do....
What brand and model? and where can I get it? and does it improve battery time?
SSD Reliability ?
I had always thought SSD were SO much more reliable that regular hard drives, but today saw this article:
One-in-four-SSD-based-laptops-fail
Any comments? User experience.
I;m debating whether to void mu Shift warranty by upgrading to SSD and or 2GB DDr sometime near end of this year or so.
But really think I should wait until the next generation Shift, then tinker with my "old" 9501.
Add to wish list for new model:
Auto detect porttait/landscape rotation
Make cell calls (of course)
Unfortunatly, basically all new SSD's that we'll see this yeah on the market will have an SATA interface - especially those with a really good perfomance (as the perfomance improvements comes from the Flash controllers... and nobody will spend big money on that PATA stuff anymore, as it's really an dying technologoy). So, while the currently available SDDs might become cheaper over the time, we won't see that much new (bigger, cheaper, faster) SDDs from now on. Especially not with that funny ZIF connector the SHIFT needs...
so im thinking of buying the mi 8 SE 4gb variant to save some money, but first i have some questions.
what are the benefits of 6gb Ram variant over 4gb? i read its to keep several apps on the background running, but i don't open more than 4 apps, i think i just need one game that keeps running on the background. so.. is 4 ram more than enough for me? or does 6 ram improve something like gaming performance? i actually looking for a phone that can run the new heavy game: black desert mobile and i need it to keep running on background while i browse on youtube
second: is the snapdragon 710 can run heavy games like black desert mobile on max graphics settings without heating problems, lags, and framedrops? do you advice to max the graphics settings, does it drain lots of battery on max settings or only a bit?
and finally how big the gap between SD 710 and 845? i only need a phone that can perform very smoothly on heavy graphical games like black desert. is the SD 710 enough? is there big difference in performance? thank you for helping me decide which one to buy!
I have the same plan to purchase a Mi 8 SE but I'm worried that there will be no community for Mi 8 SE, because it used a different kind of chip.
Don't buy the 8SE. It's really nice for pricing but it will be the new Mi Note 3, bad bad support, a lot don:t care about it, because no FDD-LTE B20 (800MHz).
The 710 is good, really good, better than 820 but thats not the key. The RAM is not that fast and the ROM also not, so no UFS 2.0 or 2.1, just EMMC and this is much slower than UFS. I think for the normal user it's ok but you can not.compare 845 with UFS 2.1, it's much faster.
More RAM is better but 6GB are way too much! With my 6GB device I got 3,3GB free but like I sad, you never have too much.
If you looking for a good device, than wait a lil bit. Maybe Nokia will drop some good device but on the other way ~240€ for SP710 is more than good.
Actually, it has the same LPDDR4x RAM (I think at the same clocks too). Also, it features UFS 2.1. Performance-wise it is a fast device.
In my opinion, the 710 (6xA55+2A75) will be used in many devices in the future. I think it offers the best performance/efficiency/value ratio.
If you don't mind the lack of B20 and the slightly downgraded camera without OIS, go for it.
Is the 12GB RAM version worth it? When will I need this much RAM?
I'd say if you are going with the Chinese version it's worth it, especially if you like notifications without delay cause in some cases you may have to keep apps open that's when the extra RAM will be of benefit. And on another note the price difference isn't crazy especially with the decent prices for the phone itself already
Well,the obvious advantage of having the 12gb ram model is the 256gb of ufs 3.0 storage which will come in handy even if the 12gb ram is probably Overkill,
To quote the great Flossy Carter:
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it"
If you use your smartphone as a workstation as a lot of people do, editing 4k videos, using heavy resources apps as running Ubuntu through Termux and some others things ... it is worth it. If you use it for checking social media and play games go with the X2 and save 100/150$
I am planning to buy k20 pro. can someone please suggest if 6gb varient has no lag or I should buy 8gb. I read many articles which confirms that buying 8gb is waste of money as it will not make any performance change. currently, I am using MI A2 as per developer option I can see my usage is around 3gb but not sure why phones lags a lot. Can someone please suggest on Redmi K20 pro please
Depends on your multitasking and usage pattern.
In the 6GB model you get around 5.7GB total RAM and from that around 2.2GB of RAM is consumed by the OS and kernel.
If you use heavy apps and games and like to multitask between them often ..like txting someone on facebook or instagram and getting back to chrome/youtube/games etc then do consider the 8gb model as you'll face far less stutters and microlags on that vs the 6gb model.
It's ofcourse smooth on the 6GB ram to but you just get that extra headroom on the latter model to strech your android's legs a little bit more
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Depends on your multitasking and usage pattern.
In the 6GB model you get around 5.7GB total RAM and from that around 2.2GB of RAM is consumed by the OS and kernel.
If you use heavy apps and games and like to multitask between them often ..like txting someone on facebook or instagram and getting back to chrome/youtube/games etc then do consider the 8gb model as you'll face far less stutters and microlags on that vs the 6gb model.
It's ofcourse smooth on the 6GB ram to but you just get that extra headroom on the latter model to strech your android's legs a little bit more
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Thank you for your valuable information.
Since the price difference between them is somewhat small,
I'd go for the 8 gig version, every day of the week. The phone
is still very cheap, and offers the most bang for the buck.....
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Hi All! Leaving the internal memory size apart, is 16 GB RAM worth the pocket stretch? Does it make a difference in any specific scenarios?
I am asking because, in my usage case, I don't need 512 GB internal memory, as I keep my files (including music, recorded videos etc.) backed-up in cloud and on external drives. I would consider the 512 GB version only if 16 GB RAM would bring any additional benefit (for example smoother performance, battery efficiency, future-proofing etc.).
Curious about your thoughts on this subject.
Highly doubt it. My gaming PC has 16GB of RAM and that's still fine lol.
I went for the 256/12GB model.
Consider the non Ultra models make do with 8GB and have excellent performance as do many phones with 6 and 8 GB.
Also the RAM on the S21 Ultra is a newer gen of RAM which has higher speeds (read/write) which has a performance benefit as well. Reviewers have subtly mentioned that although it doesn't seem to get brought up much in marketing ect. Not sure if the regular and + models have the same.
If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.
RAM is used simply for fast storage and retrieval of data and code while a program is running. The general advice is that adding more RAM when you are not using the RAM you already have is a total waste of time and money. So, what could you store in RAM? Well, for an Android phone the most likely answer is "more programs." Since the system doesn't necessarily actually close a program when you go to the home menu or push back it's still potentially taking up RAM. The more RAM you have, the more programs you could potentially keep in RAM and so the more programs you could potentially start nearly instantly. But, the flash memory on these phones is pretty fast anyway so I'm not sure you'd really notice the difference between a .5 second and 1.1 second start up for a program. Another thing RAM can do is cache the contents of your long term (flash) storage. That way the system can access such data more rapidly when it needs it. This is actually where most RAM goes when you're running Windows or Linux - they're passively using all the otherwise unused RAM as cache for the file system. So, more RAM could mean faster file I/O but only if you are doing a lot of file I/O.
I have 16GB of RAM in my laptop. I play all the latest games, I do software development, I do CAD/CAM work. I have never used 16GB of RAM except when running high end simulation systems. There's a system called CARLA which uses Unity to simulate a driving environment for autonomous driving systems. That uses 24GB of RAM to initially compile the simulation. That's the one and only thing I would need more than 16GB for. Now, we're really talking about 12GB vs 16GB here. So, the question is, do you need those extra 4GB for anything? No, I can't think of any real reason a phone would need more than 12GB of RAM. I'll bet I could live with 12GB in my laptop and still virtually never use it all up.
Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo. Now, I'm about 99% sure they don't do that. But, maybe they could. You might not be able to write to flash quickly enough for some super speed or super high end (like 8K) video without significant buffering to RAM. So, maybe in that case more RAM could be useful. But, the fact that the Ultra comes with 12GB normally would suggest that they aren't likely to optimize applications just for the 1% of people who opt for the top of the line top of the line phone.
TL;DR - No, I don't think the extra 4GB is worth the money and I didn't buy the 16GB/512GB version.
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If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.
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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.
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Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.
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Yeah ancient history
Try it... you'll like it.
Popcorn on standby
Is Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 a Step Backward for Smartphones?
Could Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 actually send phones backward, as far as overall performance and battery life? It's not impossible -- but it's not a sure thing, either. It'll depend on just how much optimization Qualcomm and its OEM partners do around these new capabilities to offset the cost of 5G.
www.extremetech.com
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Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo.
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Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.
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Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.
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I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.
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I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.
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Yeah, who knows how much demand on RAM it'll put, but it's bundled w/ 1/2TB drive and that actually makes the deal somewhat cost effective, hence no extSD.
I've built a couple of PCs for my own use in the past(WindwsOS) and I'm aware of the ever changing requirements for a decent rig, and that reminds me of the same arguments about RAM when I was preparing to get the components for the first one, long, long time ago: "oh.. 2X4GB is plenty enough, 16?, yeah, but that won't be utilized, it's an overkill". Then, with the second one the build required a min. of 16 for Windows and then some more to better accommodate the CPU and the software I was running, mostly graphics/videos. I don't have the need to build computers anymore but I do check sometimes on the adds about the newest CPUs, MBs etc... totally amazed about the number of available RAM slots.
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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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Yeah I'm not at all saying it'll drain significantly more, and I would still consider it as a minus even when the drain is a hair bit more and isn't doing any favour to the phone performance wise.
My whole point is that one shouldn't waste more money going for the more RAM variant if 256 gigs storage suffices one's need.
Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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Not that I know of. As far as I know, the S20 Ultra was the first Samsung phone to come in 12GB and 16GB versions. Considering that S21 phones are still in pre-order phase and have not reached consumers, maybe people who own S20 Ultras are in the position to say something about this (if they read this thread by any chance).
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Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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At ldle my guess is not even 1% difference. This is the latest generation ram; about 20% more efficient than the Note 10+ and faster.
I have the 10+ 12 gb ram variant. It runs cool and fast. It never even entered my mind the 8 gb variant gets better battery life; doubt it does.
Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.
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Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.
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No SD card, no sale. Worthless overpriced junk to me... no matter how much bloody ram it has.
I don't use DeX so much, therefore its future development does not concern me that much. Also, I never have more than 3-4 apps opened simultaneously, to which I switch alternately. Also, most of the time I tend to clear unused apps from memory (pressing the "recent apps" button and closing them). It is all about battery efficiency and smooth experience for me, this is what matters most. If the extra 4GB RAM has nothing to do with that, then I'll pass.
One thing that could be relevant is the future Android major updates (i.e. Android 12, 13), since I plan to use the phone for at least 2-3 years. Would extra RAM benefit me? I personally doubt that next Android versions will need that much RAM, but who knows?
when i got the note i was pretty convinced i wouldnt upgrade phones until one met 2 criteria of simply 1. more ram, and 2. any other reason making me want to buy it.
no its not needed at all for phone calls and texting... but you can have open a huge confrence call BDM, another game, and web browser and a terminal running some linux install your also connected to with on vnc.. and you know what... you can do all this already with 12gb... sooo
ill get it if and when i get it(it is however a very nice device with 512 and 16.. even the 256 and 12 and other variants anyone using them wouldnt have speed complaints with any of them and can record in 8k.. if you have the option in life for 16.. why not, especially if your ending up paying monthly)
I Initially wanted to go for the 12gb/256gb as I feel the 128gb would just not cut it for photography or videos, but decided to go for the 16/512gb as I got it around the same price as the 12gb/256gb with employee discount.
I also went crazy as since my S9+ didn't get excited about any other samsung phones than this one.
Also as google wants to stop free google photos upload to cloud it made sense to go for the higher tier.
I have my Pixel4XL to supplement the S21 Ultra
On a side note, I love the fact the S21 ultra can go from Macro to Space Zoom to wide angle which on Paper looks like the Army Swiss knife of photography.