The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
EDIT: Ok, so it won't be the same story this time around because the majority of everyone will be SKIPPING THE S5. PERIOD.
I agree completely.
I think all carriers should offer a locked variant for a smaller amount and an unlocked version for the "Next" plan being we are going to be paying full price anyway. Not that I want to pay more but for $50 or $100 I'd pay extra for the international
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MattMJB0188 said:
The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
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Do what?? You do understand why they have to release a different version for North America, right? It's not really Samsung's fault that our carriers can't get their s**t together when it comes to their networks and frequencies. The Exynos doesn't support our LTE bands. Since America isn't the world (despite what most of the people in this country seem to think), I'd say they are correct in making a phone that works with for the rest of the world. We still get the Snapdragon 805 which is by no means a bad processor. Also, you want to complain about a locked bootloader on the AT&T version? How about saying something to the NSA's butt buddy. Samsung is in the business of making money. Want to make money selling to AT&T? Follow their rules.
Lastly, the Galaxy S6 will have a Exynos that supports our LTE bands. You can always wait. I know it's a difficult concept these days but it is possible.
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Lastly, the Galaxy S6 will have a Exynos that supports our LTE bands. You can always wait. I know it's a difficult concept these days but it is possible.
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There will never be an Exynos supporting CDMA or for that matter any high-end Exynos with integrated modem. Furthermore that's besides the point, your whole post is nonsense, the processors themselves are not limited to anything. The Note 2 shipped worldwide with Exynos + Qualcomm modems.
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There will never be an Exynos supporting CDMA or for that matter any high-end Exynos with integrated modem. Furthermore that's besides the point, your whole post is nonsense, the processors themselves are not limited to anything. The Note 2 shipped worldwide with Exynos + Qualcomm modems.
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Really? That's why the S2 only had a Exynos available for Sprint and not any other carrier. Due to it supporting WiMax and not LTE. Of course that single device is just one example.
Our current phones are also examples of this occurrence.
To say a processor isn't limited by anything just show your level of understanding of SoC's. To use one device as an example of why something is incorrect is flawed.
Of course I would certainly admit that my posts are wrong if you have verifiable evidence of it being the case. What's your reasoning for the use of the Snapdragon as opposed to the Exynos other than limitations and support?
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I'll admit I was slightly off. The S2 Exynos didn't support LTE. However, the Exynos 5 does - do a degree. It is "capable" of utilizing the LTE bands here but it does't meet power requirements. So I guess if you want a phone that eats your battery, that's all you. Of course everyone already complains about battery power as it is - I can only imagine one with an inefficient LTE modem.
Oh, a resource might be handy. Here's one of many.
http://phandroid.com/2013/03/29/samsung-exynos-5-octa-lte-support/
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To say a processor isn't limited by anything just show your level of understanding of SoC's.
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Are you for real?
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What's your reasoning for the use of the Snapdragon as opposed to the Exynos other than limitations and support?
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Price, availability, performance are the only reasons. Samsungs own SoCs are too expensive and lately they sucked.
Any SoC can be bundled with any modem and there are no technical limitations. The choice boils down to business decisions. Period.
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Are you for real?
Price, availability, performance are the only reasons. Samsungs own SoCs are too expensive and lately they sucked.
Any SoC can be bundled with any modem and there are no technical limitations. The choice boils down to business decisions. Period.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE. There are hardware limitations, compatibility issues, drivers, and a host of other reason why a processor can't be paired with something. So yes, really.
Again, I will recant my statement given verifiable proof stating otherwise. Until then, I can only assume that this thread is just another sign of this site going downhill lately.
At least years ago people would wait until the phone comes out before they complained about it.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE.
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Common knowledge to whom? Forum geniuses who like to spread false assumptions and BS "reports " like you did in the post before just now?
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There are hardware limitations, compatibility issues, drivers, and a host of other reason why a processor can't be paired with something.
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Do you then know what you're talking about or are you spewing buzzwords around?
Any SoC with an SPI or HSIC bus can be connected to any modem because they are standard interconnects. There are no driver issues nor any other source of incompatibility, nor any other vague inexistent reasons you seem incapable of specifying.
The S2 in NA had Snapdragons because of CDMA and it was cheaper to use Qualcomms solution. Qualcomm provides a discount to OEMs if they buy a platform as a package so keep in mind the financial aspect of that choice.
Your Sprint version had Exynos due to another third-party modem due to WiMax which QC didn't provide.
The S3 had a Snapdragon in NA because its MDM solution had a monopoly on LTE for all carriers. The One X was in the very same situation and the reason why they didn't use a Tegra 3 in the NA variant.
The Note 2 launched on Exynos world-wide because QC had a discrete LTE modem available by this time. The S3 LTE (9305) launched at the same time internationally. The reason for this is why this thread was even brought up, the 4412 was simply superior to the Snapdragon S3. The NA userbase is bitter still due to this fact.
The S4 was meant to be NA and Japan QC only but the 5410 was broken performance and consumption wise and it ended up with that all global LTE variants except the Korean one came with a QC chip. The international Exynos versions with LTE were cancelled. In fact, all Exynos versions in LTE markets were cancelled, you could not buy a 3G S4 in Europe.
The Note 3 was initially planned with a 5410 but that also got shelved due to above reasons. It was a miracle that the 5420 was made in time else the Note 3 would have been Qualcomm exclusive world-wide (And I have good source on that it was planned like that).
Now again Qualcomm has a monopoly on LTE-A on their MDM solution as there are no discrete modems currently available, and why all LTE-A devices are S800 solutions.
The S5 will likely still be in the same situation. There will be no competitive discrete products to compete with QC until later this year so you can expect the status quo of different models to continue until then.
So please stop spewing uninformed BS around if you have not the slightest grasp of the industry.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE. There are hardware limitations, compatibility issues, drivers, and a host of other reason why a processor can't be paired with something. So yes, really.
Again, I will recant my statement given verifiable proof stating otherwise. Until then, I can only assume that this thread is just another sign of this site going downhill lately.
At least years ago people would wait until the phone comes out before they complained about it.
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I have to agree, I had the GN10.1 2014 Edition (Exynos WiFi Model) and it stuttered worse than Forest Gump, my GN3 on the other hand with SD800 was rock solid.
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Common knowledge to whom? Forum geniuses who like to spread false assumptions and BS "reports " like you did in the post before just now? Do you then know what you're talking about or are you spewing buzzwords around?
Any SoC with an SPI or HSIC bus can be connected to any modem because they are standard interconnects. There are no driver issues nor any other source of incompatibility, nor any other vague inexistent reasons you seem incapable of specifying.
The S2 in NA had Snapdragons because of CDMA and it was cheaper to use Qualcomms solution. Qualcomm provides a discount to OEMs if they buy a platform as a package so keep in mind the financial aspect of that choice.
Your Sprint version had Exynos due to another third-party modem due to WiMax which QC didn't provide.
The S3 had a Snapdragon in NA because its MDM solution had a monopoly on LTE for all carriers. The One X was in the very same situation and the reason why they didn't use a Tegra 3 in the NA variant.
The Note 2 launched on Exynos world-wide because QC had a discrete LTE modem available by this time. The S3 LTE (9305) launched at the same time internationally. The reason for this is why this thread was even brought up, the 4412 was simply superior to the Snapdragon S3. The NA userbase is bitter still due to this fact.
The S4 was meant to be NA and Japan QC only but the 5410 was broken performance and consumption wise and it ended up with that all global LTE variants except the Korean one came with a QC chip. The international Exynos versions with LTE were cancelled. In fact, all Exynos versions in LTE markets were cancelled, you could not buy a 3G S4 in Europe.
The Note 3 was initially planned with a 5410 but that also got shelved due to above reasons. It was a miracle that the 5420 was made in time else the Note 3 would have been Qualcomm exclusive world-wide (And I have good source on that it was planned like that).
Now again Qualcomm has a monopoly on LTE-A on their MDM solution as there are no discrete modems currently available, and why all LTE-A devices are S800 solutions.
The S5 will likely still be in the same situation. There will be no competitive discrete products to compete with QC until later this year so you can expect the status quo of different models to continue until then.
So please stop spewing uninformed BS around if you have not the slightest grasp of the industry.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words? Not to mention you're getting very lippy using "bs" and telling me how I'm "spewing" things. Interestingly enough, I stayed that I would admit that I'm wrong if given the proper evidence. In no way was I personally attacking you, nor did I sink to using loose insult attempts with abbreviations of vulgur phrases.
Yet another shining example of the downward trend this site has seen lately. You want to provide sources to back statements? Good. Otherwise I can start throwing around conspiracy paradigms about one entity controlling sunlight and all tech used to view it.
For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent. And just because two objects plug together doesn't mean they work well together if at all. Anyone that has built a computer can tell you that. Hell, I guess I can take the SoC from this phone and toss it in my old G2 and have all sorts of Frankenstein badassery :silly:
Again, all I'm asking for is proof. "Hey, you misunderstand the reason for this here's why" post link. Done. Without the other asinine 12 year old attitude. You seem intelligent, you should portray yourself as such.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words?
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I'm the source as far as you're concerned. I broke the story on several topics over the last year, and I'm not going to post some third-party site which rehashes what I say just to give weight to it for incredulents like you. My track-record speaks for itself.
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For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent.
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You already show that you don't comprehend the difference between component cost and device cost. Please stop trying to participate in this discussion.
The 5410 costed about $30 while the S600 was only $20, and that you can find yourself on the web.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words? Not to mention you're getting very lippy using "bs" and telling me how I'm "spewing" things. Interestingly enough, I stayed that I would admit that I'm wrong if given the proper evidence. In no way was I personally attacking you, nor did I sink to using loose insult attempts with abbreviations of vulgur phrases.
Yet another shining example of the downward trend this site has seen lately. You want to provide sources to back statements? Good. Otherwise I can start throwing around conspiracy paradigms about one entity controlling sunlight and all tech used to view it.
For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent. And just because two objects plug together doesn't mean they work well together if at all. Anyone that has built a computer can tell you that. Hell, I guess I can take the SoC from this phone and toss it in my old G2 and have all sorts of Frankenstein badassery :silly:
Again, all I'm asking for is proof. "Hey, you misunderstand the reason for this here's why" post link. Done. Without the other asinine 12 year old attitude. You seem intelligent, you should portray yourself as such.
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I agree, AndreiLux was a little too offensive, but dude, do you even know who this guy is? Do a little search about his work and background before you call his knowledge hokey.
MattMJB0188 said:
The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
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I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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barondebxl said:
I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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I see root as a strong possibility, but getting an unlocked bootloader on a Verizon or AT&T version is not likely. Did they achieve that with the GS4? The last I read (and just did a Google search) the answer seems to be no.
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I see root as a strong possibility, but getting an unlocked bootloader on a Verizon or AT&T version is not likely. Did they achieve that with the GS4? The last I read (and just did a Google search) the answer seems to be no.
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Root will be achieve and custom roms will happen. I'm pretty sure the AT&T and Verizon versions will have a locked boot loader which sucks, but it won't stop development (at least in the beginning until they patch the exploit that will lead to custom roms and stuff). Who knows, the devs may find a way to unlock those boot loaders.
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barondebxl said:
I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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That's fine. You can disagree all you want. The past speaks for itself. How they have done things in the past has ultimately been a nightmare for us folks who enjoy using our phones the way we like. I bet you anything the S5 will be the same as far as excluding the exynos processor and bootloader.
The T-Mobile Note 3 does get AT&T LTE, however, in my experience the LTE signal was horrible. Everywhere my AT&T branded S4 got a good LTE signal, my TMO N3 would struggle to pick up even one bar. And your wrong about AT&T versions having more development support. The AT&T S4 development is practically dead. The N3 for AT&T has active development, but its much more difficult for someone to root or use safestrap than previous methods. It is also very dangerous to attempt these new methods. Locked bootloaders only leads to more bricks. ENOUGH SAID.
Can't be positive, gotta be realistic.
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That's fine. You can disagree all you want. The past speaks for itself. How they have done things in the past has ultimately been a nightmare for us folks who enjoy using our phones the way we like. I bet you anything the S5 will be the same as far as excluding the exynos processor and bootloader.
The T-Mobile Note 3 does get AT&T LTE, however, in my experience the LTE signal was horrible. Everywhere my AT&T branded S4 got a good LTE signal, my TMO N3 would struggle to pick up even one bar. And your wrong about AT&T versions having more development support. The AT&T S4 development is practically dead. The N3 for AT&T has active development, but its much more difficult for someone to root or use safestrap than previous methods. It is also very dangerous to attempt these new methods. Locked bootloaders only leads to more bricks. ENOUGH SAID.
Can't be positive, gotta be realistic.
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You're not being realistic my friend, you sound negative.
You should have said that earlier about the tmobile devices not playing nice on AT&T LTE network, you can't speak for everyone cause I had great speed with my Tmobile note 3 on AT&T.
Again you're misunderstanding, I never said the Ar&t s4 got better development than the others, I said at least it got development despite the locked boot loaders.
And lastly, give some credit to the devs, it isn't their fault if the boot loader is locked. Safestrap isn't as cool as a regular recovery but they did a fine job giving us the opportunity to flash Roms. At the end of the day it's your choice, you can always buy something else cause here are some almost certainty:
-AT&T S5 will have a locked boot loader
- devs will come up with a work around to flash roms
If these things bother you perhaps you should consider another phone.
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well the exynos s4 was inferior to the snapdragon model in every single way...
it only had slightly better gpu performance, we are talking about 1 to 3 fps here, but the battery life was considerably worse, and lacking lte.
i also heard that it was better to develop for the snapdragon model or something
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Root will be achieve and custom roms will happen. I'm pretty sure the AT&T and Verizon versions will have a locked boot loader which sucks, but it won't stop development (at least in the beginning until they patch the exploit that will lead to custom roms and stuff). Who knows, the devs may find a way to unlock those boot loaders.
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I don't see development being hampered by anything globally, but what we get in the US is a bit more limited since we will likely never see the bootloader unlocked but hey root is enough for me most of the time.
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I've asked a few questions here, on different threads regarding the Galaxy Tab from Sprint, and no one seems to want to address the thing. Is my version of the Tab cursed, or infected or something? Every thread I've read tip toes around whether or not something will work on the SPH-P100, and for the most part states that their super special something or other will not work on the Sprint Tab. I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
Any insight would greatly comfort me...lol
yes! I see this too! I keep wondering if I should go return it or something. to be honest I would have gotten the Verizon version if they had it in stock but after reading these forums I feel like I should've went with the t-mo version!
+1 here ive had mine 2 days i may just do that.
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The lack of ROM's and support for the Sprint version of the tab has kept me from rooting.....no point right now. Needless to say its very frustrating right now, but I haver faith in the Dev's. They always seem to come through
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Honestly even for AT&T or T-Mobile contributions are still poor compared with many other phones on xda. At least the ones I used to own. But yeah way worse for Sprint/Verizon
That said it makes sense: he tab has been out only for a small period of time, it's expensive and not many devs have it... Hopefully with time you will get more support. If the tab is not left in the shadow too quickly by the new Tegra 2 tablets (Hipefully they wont't be out before May/June in which case more people will go for the SGT)
Think Im gonna sell mine soon. The lack of input and hacking compared to lets say the HTC Desire which is what I used to have is unreal.
People keep saying wait and Dev's will jump on but the Desire modding and roms started straight away..
On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
Look at how good honeycomb looks....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
mklass said:
On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
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Says who?
Sent from my 7 inch monster.
thank Andy, it's more than just me!
I still love my Tab, it's great, but everyone's right. I too have kept from rooting mine just because of the lack of (I won't say support, since it's no one's "job" to hack) access to more info.
I've been an XDA member since I got my EVO when that bad boy first came out, and I LOVE all of the devs, and their "products" for that. I guess when I got my Tab for (a couple weeks before) Christmas, I expected to see a huge list of ROMS, custom made apps, and themes, but as it was said before, they ARE pretty expensive (don't know, or wanna' know how my GF got it for me....lol) and as far as I can see, they're really only popular in countries OTHER than the US... I guess I'm being impatient, but I WANNIT I WANNIT I WANNIT (and by "IT" I mean what I want...lol)
Thanks for the support, guys! I'll toss it out that I have and am always willing to donate to a dev who does the job right, whether it be Alpha, or RC I never mooch! Hard work is hard work, and I try to make it as worth a dev's time as I can. That being said, if ANY DEV is looking for a tester, hit me up!
Thanks again guys, this is the first thread I've posted to get a REAL response!
Perhaps you all should start a bounty fund?
IP IHI II IL said:
I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
foxmeister said:
Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
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LargePrime said:
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
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I'll see your 550 million CDMA subscribers, and raise you 4.5 billion GSM subscribers!
http://www.gsacom.com/news/statistics.php4
Regards,
Dave
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
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Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe.
foxmeister said:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM.
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Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
http://iphoneappstoday.com/2010/11/samsungs-global-galaxy-tab-sales-lag-behind-apple-ipad-at-600k/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGyNxBY3ZxLqBRcIyopOY7t9pyoUw&cad=rja
foxmeister said:
That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
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This is the most serious concern. It cannot be overstated how important it is to get PCS devices into Devs hands. But note that the GSM devices had a two month jump on the CDMA devices. So devs bought them first. The ROM work we are seeing now is directly a result of that early jump.
Now weather there are 10 times as many GSM users is irrelevant.
A relevant question is ;
where are you located?
is the extra cost of the GSM devices is worth the extra storage you get?
are you going to travel with the device?
Are you willing to wait for a few months for the development to catch up to the GSM versions, or will that really bug you?
Are you willing to contribute to a bounty to accelerate PCS development?
LargePrime said:
Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe
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So, just because there are CDMA networks in those regions, you infer that there must be CDMA Tabs available on those networks? That's a giant leap!
You'll notice that I said "That isn't a hard and fast rule" straight after I said " Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM". On these boards and others I follow, I've not seen a *single* mention of a CDMA Tab that isn't a North American unit. Of course, there will almost certainly be an SK Telecom CDMA Tab in South Korea, and I guess it's not posted about here due to the language barrier.
What I have seen though is people posting from Russia, the Middle East, and other regions that they've bought a Verizon or Sprint Tab from the states only o find there is no network they can use them on in their home country.
Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
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I'm not sure what you are saying is implied here, but it seems to me that your saying that the Tab saw a massive jump in sales once the Tab launched on Verizon and Sprint. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever in either of those links that would indicate that IMO.
First of all, the Tab didn't launch in most of the rest of the world (UK included), until November same as the US. Secondly whilst those figures talk about worldwide sales, in relation to the US those articles talk about all 4 major US carriers, not just Sprint/Verizon , which obviously includes the two US GSM carriers.
Without firm sales figures region by region, and by device type (CDMA or GSM) it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions about Tab sales beyond simple units sold
All I am saying is that the focus is likely to be on GSM Tabs because it is a larger market, and there are *likely* to be many more of them in circulation that CDMA units.
In my experience on XDA, bounties tend not to work. If anything they further fragment an already fragmented development community. If you want to raise money for a development effort, a far better idea (IMO) would be to identify a leading developer(s) for CDMA Galaxy S devices, and offer to supply them with a Tab.
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Its because there's a lot more of us than there are of you. Simple. Also, the tab is very expensive across the globe, and the majority of those that buy it get it unlocked and unsubsidized.
Surley someone could make a rom that would not mess with the baseband of the phone and would support all of the tabs since they have the same cpu and ram exept the new 4g verizon one which is a bit faster
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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Exept to get the stuff from samsung you will have to mess with KIES (grrrrr - i own a mac and hate having to boot it into windows just to update the tab)
can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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I watch Hulu from my tablet without s problem, I watch medavideos. My tablet no redirection, the page opening when you click play is due to megavideos they have a popup when you click play the first time. I have the sprint version as well
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So as previous Galaxy versions, I'm pretty sure AT&T will lockdown the bootloader on the S6, so my question is, what other variant of the S6 can I buy that will fully work with AT&T's LTE network?
Thanks.
eortizr said:
So as previous Galaxy versions, I'm pretty sure AT&T will lockdown the bootloader on the S6, so my question is, what other variant of the S6 can I buy that will fully work with AT&T's LTE network?
Thanks.
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I've been wondering the same thing but I've never found a good answer. With other versions of Samsung's phones it's always "you're missing this band or that band", "this might work but that won't work." I'm not sure there is a phone you can buy that will work with AT&T as well as one of their phones without their locked down BS. I'm also on AT&T and I like the service and my plan but not the locked down bloated phones they offer. I think I'm making my next phone purchase a hard decision but every phone I look at has a major drawback. I think sometimes I should jump on the S6 from AT&T and live with the phone in it's factory state which I'm sure is awesome but I'm not sure I'd be happy with that. Will probably keep waiting, the good part is that every new phone is better than the one before it.
I currently have an ATT S5 and despise this locked bootloader. I am planning on getting a TMobile S6 because of the modding capabilities(assuming their S6 won't be locked down) and I've heard people using their TM S5's on ATT as well. But I am not sure if the unlocked/regular(?) version will support all of the ATT bands..
Honestly folks on Verizon, AT&T or others wanting to know if (and if so, how much) it will be locked down... I suggest waiting until some folks get hands-on testing with it.
The fact that it will be Exynos means much of what blocked the S5/N3/N4 doesn't apply... and the new solution is unknown.
Part of me thinks that if they're this confident to switch back to Exynos they may have developed their own alternative to the QC features.
The only way to know for sure is to test with an actual device, which won't likely happen until rollout.
If its based on the s5, the tmobile one would be the one to get. The tmobile s5 has all the tmobile bands (minus band 12 LTE) and all of the AT&T HSPA+ and LTE bands. im planning on picking up my s6 from tmobile but in the mean time, making friends with tmobile reps at my local tmobile store is essential as tmobile doesnt like selling their devices without a plan.
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If its based on the s5, the tmobile one would be the one to get. The tmobile s5 has all the tmobile bands (minus band 12 LTE) and all of the AT&T HSPA+ and LTE bands. im planning on picking up my s6 from tmobile but in the mean time, making friends with tmobile reps at my local tmobile store is essential as tmobile doesnt like selling their devices without a plan.
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Well, out of curiousity I checked - lo and behold, the FCC docs are available this week.
LTE Bands for SM-G920T are.... 12,1 2/17 (share same frequency in some cases), 5, 4 and 2.
garwynn said:
Well, out of curiousity I checked - lo and behold, the FCC docs are available this week.
LTE Bands for SM-G920T are.... 12,1 2/17 (share same frequency in some cases), 5, 4 and 2.
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Got a link to the doc?
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Got a link to the doc?
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http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/
Grantee Code: A3L
Product Code: SMG920T
Go into the detail records and you'll find all the nitty gritty details including LTE tests.
Just wish could see the rest of the confidential docs that the FCC gets to see...
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http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/
Grantee Code: A3L
Product Code: SMG920T
Go into the detail records and you'll find all the nitty gritty details including LTE tests.
Just wish could see the rest of the confidential docs that the FCC gets to see...
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Looking at the Verizon docs for both the S6 and S6 Edge, they both are missing Appendix F, which is where the DUT Antenna Locations are indicated.
So the primary document of interest is missing...
I don't get it, how can you just not post that information?
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Looking at the Verizon docs for both the S6 and S6 Edge, they both are missing Appendix F, which is where the DUT Antenna Locations are indicated.
So the primary document of interest is missing...
I don't get it, how can you just not post that information?
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The summary list, instead of detail, shows all docs submitted and if they are confidential.
I'll bet it's in there and confidential.
garwynn said:
The summary list, instead of detail, shows all docs submitted and if they are confidential.
I'll bet it's in there and confidential.
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Most modern phones I have looked at have the DUT Antenna Location diagram listed. The Nexus 6 is listed. Other modern phones have it missing though, and it seems that Sprint's may have it listed when Verizon's does not (I think the Note 4 is an example, but that is just from my memory.) The Sprint model isn't up yet so I have my fingers crossed.
I knew from the Nexus 6 FCC docs that there was no simultaneous voice and data on either EVDO or LTE because there was a single shared antenna. I am curious if the S6 is same way.
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The summary list, instead of detail, shows all docs submitted and if they are confidential.
I'll bet it's in there and confidential.
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" The requested Permanent and Short-Term Confidential exhibits are listed as follows:
PERMANENT AND SHORT-TERM CONFIDENTIAL LIST
Exhibit Description
PERMANENT
1 Block Diagram
2 Operational Description
3 Schematics
4 Parts List & Tune-Up Procedure
SHORT-TERM
5 External Photos
6 Internal Photos
7 Test-Setup Photos
8 Users Manual "
Perhaps you are correct. That would be lame.
Update: The same confidentiality letter for the S6 is listed for several different phones, including the Note 4.
I just checked the docs and both Sprint and Verizon (maybe the T-Mobile and AT&T as well) show the antenna location diagram.
The confidentiality letter therefore doesn't cover the antenna location diagram. For the S6, the antenna location diagram is being described as listed in Appendix F, which is not included in the FCC listing. Perhaps it will be listed at a later time, but I suspect that it isn't confidential, it is just not available.
However, for the those of you interested, the S6 IS NOT capable of simultaneous voice and LTE, according the docs. You would have be on VoLTE. The same for goes for HTC m9. Pretty disappointing. Of the phones I've actually considered recently (Nexus 6, Droid Turbo, HTC m9, and Samsung S6), none of the them can do voice and LTE on Verizon...
We should send ATT/Samsung a message
When it comes out I plan on buying one or two phones(128Gb S6 Edge they will be more exp) and opening them both then returning them in a week or two if they have a locked bootloader. Then I plan on buying and returning them every couple of weeks. This should cost AT&T $$$. If everyone on XDA does it perhaps we can hurt their bottom line and they will get the message not to be assholes.
cciechad said:
When it comes out I plan on buying one or two phones(128Gb S6 Edge they will be more exp) and opening them both then returning them in a week or two if they have a locked bootloader. Then I plan on buying and returning them every couple of weeks. This should cost AT&T $$$. If everyone on XDA does it perhaps we can hurt their bottom line and they will get the message not to be assholes.
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What??? You have a lot of free time on your hands, maybe you should go work at AT&T for free so they will appreciate you as you do them!
Seriously though, you can't be serious!?!?
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The Sprint Galaxy S3 was the first Android device I ever owned. I found out pretty quick that I did not like TouchWiz so I found out how to root and flash a custom recovery and that's when I fell in love with stock Android.
Anyways, I'm on AT&T now with a HTC One M8. I love the phone, but I really wish the camera were better. The only thing keeping me from instantly wanting a M9 is no optical image stabilization AGAIN.
So, with that said, and after reading through everything in this thread, if the bootloader is locked down on the AT&T Galaxy S6, does that mean we will not be able to achieve root? I'm not worried about flashing ROMs and stuff, I mainly just want root to run root apps like xposed and greenify.
eortizr said:
So as previous Galaxy versions, I'm pretty sure AT&T will lockdown the bootloader on the S6, so my question is, what other variant of the S6 can I buy that will fully work with AT&T's LTE network?
Thanks.
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I'm exploring the same alternative at this point. In fact I am looking at the South Korean variants currently at this point which follow the SM-G920s/k/L variants. On my current LG G3 F400S which operates under the carrier SK Telecom, AT&T LTE works flawlessly, not to mention the device was 1 of the first devices to get 5.0 back in November. I'm still researching these variants, but if all checks out, this is the direction I will be going.
I really think you guys are getting a bit ahead of yourselves. Using the S3/4/5 or Note 3/4 as a basis of comparison for the S6 doesn't work.
Remember, with the S6 going Exynos we don't have a recent frame of reference to gauge against. The closest comparison is the Note II.
garwynn said:
Well, out of curiousity I checked - lo and behold, the FCC docs are available this week.
LTE Bands for SM-G920T are.... 12,1 2/17 (share same frequency in some cases), 5, 4 and 2.
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So is that fully compatible with AT&T LTE or no?
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cciechad said:
When it comes out I plan on buying one or two phones(128Gb S6 Edge they will be more exp) and opening them both then returning them in a week or two if they have a locked bootloader. Then I plan on buying and returning them every couple of weeks. This should cost AT&T $$$. If everyone on XDA does it perhaps we can hurt their bottom line and they will get the message not to be assholes.
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ALL ATT Phones have locked bootloaders - they made that announcment after the S4 -the ATT S6 is going to be locked bootloader. Guaranteed.
TMOBILE PHONES work on ATT just fine. I have been doing this since the Note 3 came out. unfortunately, the TMOBILE S6 cannot be unlocked for use on other carriers without the help of TMOBILE - and their policy is that you have to use the phone for three months before they will give you an unlock code.
You can't buy an unlock code online for it - because TMOBILE has an app that has to be used to unlock the SIM for use on other carriers. So unless someone comes up with a workaround, if you buy a TMOBILE S6, you will be stuck on TMOBILE with it for three months or so - unless something significant changes before then.
I tried to unlock the sim so I can use it on ATT (like I did all of my previous phones) and his is what I have learned. I am hoping that someone can figure out a secret samsung code that will unlock it but I am not real sure that will happen - fingers crossed...
Hello Is it possible to enable all the T-mobile US carrier features on the Exynos N960F/DS ?
Yes, when I reach 10 posts. I will be able to make a new thread with step by step images.
HERE is the guide, I got to 10 post
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/note-9-n960fd-dual-sim-csc-change-oxm-t3841000
jgoorn said:
Yes, when I reach 10 posts. I will be able to make a new thread with step by step images.
HERE is the guide, I got to 10 post
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/note-9-n960fd-dual-sim-csc-change-oxm-t3841000
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Is there absolutely any way to do it without root? Can't I take the home CSC of a desired rom and flash just that in Odin, keeping everything else as it originally was?
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Is there absolutely any way to do it without root? Can't I take the home CSC of a desired rom and flash just that in Odin, keeping everything else as it originally was?
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Not sure, I saw something like that on another post but then it was updated 4 pages later to say that method was not functioning. I assume you don't want to trip knox, but if you just don't want root but want custom CSC flash twrp and custom rom with root. Edit files to change csc as shown in my guide, or others guides. then factory reset rom, and reflash without root, and then make odin reset the recovery to stock recovery.
This is all speculation however.
I was very excited to see this as I've been wanting an international Exynos variant due to absolutely 'needing' to have root.
The Million dollar question is "Does the carrier aggregation still exist? ie... Does ALL the bands work perfectly on T-Mobiles network just as it would 1:1 on a TM variant Note 9?"
I along with some other fellow Note 8 owners got the (F) model of the Note 8 last year and we had discovered that the international variants on T-Mobile / US network suffered from carrier aggregation, where it would connect fine to one single frequency, but it would not aggregate properly to where it would not be able to 'hand off' / 'connect to multiple frequencies at once' with the (F) variants....
For those that remember, I went as far as completely disassembling my Note 8 and testing varies antenna cables thinking that it was hardware related, however, it has been concluded that it is a software issues that causes the international variant of the Note 8 to not work properly on US carriers....
Note: If one is in an area with good signal in the US with a (F) variant, it may look like everything is fine and well, however, it is not. Due to the good reception, the (F) variant is connecting only to that one band, whereas with other devices the domestic US variant would have the ability to pick up several bands and aggregate accordingly, where the (F) can't ...
Therefore, the Million dollar question is "Does this carrier aggregation issue still exist on the Note 9?"
The only way to be able to properly test this is for one to have both the T-Mobile Note 9 + the International (F) variant Note 9 and test the bands side by side in multiple areas ... along with checking in the hidden settings to see exactly what bands it is connected to. If they match, great.... if not, then the carrier aggregation still exists.....
While at it, I'll tag my fellow OG partners in Android Fanatics @DeeXii , @butchieboy , @KennyLG123 ....
I doubt it. It will probably be another year or two to get full or near full capability on Samsung modems. Look at all the weird spectrums going up in different countries. And TMobile just got band 71. It will be awhile before we start seeing noticeable effects nationwide for 71. Your optimism is obsessive. When the galaxy note 2 came out all were Exynos chipsets but some had LTE radios. I opted for without mainly because LTE was not fleshed out yet. (and the LTE radios were add on chips and not fully integrated meaning they were battery drainers). I made a good call as did Apple. You also have to consider Qualcomm has a lot more experience than Samsung and Intel in modems and radios. People are so focused on the results or what they can get without thinking through the whole front end of it and what is plausible, necessary and time needed. I am not saying no but again your optimism is obsessive to a fault. Qualcomm hasn't even made a truly international modem yet. (More bands than they can fit in their design and still too many different techs.) How would Samsung do it? It could be done but your battery life would suffer. That's why there are regional phones. Alsooooo, 2g bands are being deprecated in a few places (I think hspa too but nowhere near as much as GPRS/EDGE). To be honest I think it won't be until 2021 at the very least where there will be a few mainstream phones that you could pop in a sim anywhere and get good service across those regions. For now, you have to compromise. LTE is thankfully dropping in the GSM bucket but it needs to be sorted out.
iunlock said:
I was very excited to see this as I've been wanting an international Exynos variant due to absolutely 'needing' to have root.
The Million dollar question is "Does the carrier aggregation still exist? ie... Does ALL the bands work perfectly on T-Mobiles network just as it would 1:1 on a TM variant Note 9?"
I along with some other fellow Note 8 owners got the (F) model of the Note 8 last year and we had discovered that the international variants on T-Mobile / US network suffered from carrier aggregation, where it would connect fine to one single frequency, but it would not aggregate properly to where it would not be able to 'hand off' / 'connect to multiple frequencies at once' with the (F) variants....
For those that remember, I went as far as completely disassembling my Note 8 and testing varies antenna cables thinking that it was hardware related, however, it has been concluded that it is a software issues that causes the international variant of the Note 8 to not work properly on US carriers....
Note: If one is in an area with good signal in the US with a (F) variant, it may look like everything is fine and well, however, it is not. Due to the good reception, the (F) variant is connecting only to that one band, whereas with other devices the domestic US variant would have the ability to pick up several bands and aggregate accordingly, where the (F) can't ...
Therefore, the Million dollar question is "Does this carrier aggregation issue still exist on the Note 9?"
The only way to be able to properly test this is for one to have both the T-Mobile Note 9 + the International (F) variant Note 9 and test the bands side by side in multiple areas ... along with checking in the hidden settings to see exactly what bands it is connected to. If they match, great.... if not, then the carrier aggregation still exists.....
While at it, I'll tag my fellow OG partners in Android Fanatics @DeeXii , @butchieboy , @KennyLG123 ....
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Yes I remember that thread very well, kalm_traveller also made adjustments to the antenna . I recall that ultimately carrier aggregation didn't work on international models when used on the USA networks.
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I doubt it. It will probably be another year or two to get full or near full capability on Samsung modems. Look at all the weird spectrums going up in different countries. And TMobile just got band 71. It will be awhile before we start seeing noticeable effects nationwide for 71. Your optimism is obsessive. When the galaxy note 2 came out all were Exynos chipsets but some had LTE radios. I opted for without mainly because LTE was not fleshed out yet. (and the LTE radios were add on chips and not fully integrated meaning they were battery drainers). I made a good call as did Apple. You also have to consider Qualcomm has a lot more experience than Samsung and Intel in modems and radios. People are so focused on the results or what they can get without thinking through the whole front end of it and what is plausible, necessary and time needed. I am not saying no but again your optimism is obsessive to a fault. Qualcomm hasn't even made a truly international modem yet. (More bands than they can fit in their design and still too many different techs.) How would Samsung do it? It could be done but your battery life would suffer. That's why there are regional phones. Alsooooo, 2g bands are being deprecated in a few places (I think hspa too but nowhere near as much as GPRS/EDGE). To be honest I think it won't be until 2021 at the very least where there will be a few mainstream phones that you could pop in a sim anywhere and get good service across those regions. For now, you have to compromise. LTE is thankfully dropping in the GSM bucket but it needs to be sorted out.
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So how come Apple is doing that since the iPhone 6s unlocked version? Qualcomm Modem and a truly a word.
Doing what?
I would almost guarantee no ca working. Does it really matter? My s8+ still got 12mb download speeds.
Yakuzahi said:
So how come Apple is doing that since the iPhone 6s unlocked version? Qualcomm Modem and a truly a word.
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Doing what?
iunlock said:
I was very excited to see this as I've been wanting an international Exynos variant due to absolutely 'needing' to have root.
The Million dollar question is "Does the carrier aggregation still exist? ie... Does ALL the bands work perfectly on T-Mobiles network just as it would 1:1 on a TM variant Note 9?"
I along with some other fellow Note 8 owners got the (F) model of the Note 8 last year and we had discovered that the international variants on T-Mobile / US network suffered from carrier aggregation, where it would connect fine to one single frequency, but it would not aggregate properly to where it would not be able to 'hand off' / 'connect to multiple frequencies at once' with the (F) variants....
For those that remember, I went as far as completely disassembling my Note 8 and testing varies antenna cables thinking that it was hardware related, however, it has been concluded that it is a software issues that causes the international variant of the Note 8 to not work properly on US carriers....
Note: If one is in an area with good signal in the US with a (F) variant, it may look like everything is fine and well, however, it is not. Due to the good reception, the (F) variant is connecting only to that one band, whereas with other devices the domestic US variant would have the ability to pick up several bands and aggregate accordingly, where the (F) can't ...
Therefore, the Million dollar question is "Does this carrier aggregation issue still exist on the Note 9?"
The only way to be able to properly test this is for one to have both the T-Mobile Note 9 + the International (F) variant Note 9 and test the bands side by side in multiple areas ... along with checking in the hidden settings to see exactly what bands it is connected to. If they match, great.... if not, then the carrier aggregation still exists.....
While at it, I'll tag my fellow OG partners in Android Fanatics @DeeXii , @butchieboy , @KennyLG123 ....
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I have the F model and tested with both AT&T and T-Mobile. Carrier aggregation works with 2 bands on AT&T (12+2) and while it supports all the other AT&T bands it will not aggregate them. No carrier aggregation at all on T-Mobile (single band only).
You can see the supported CA combos the F model has by looking at the FCC filing of the device (do a google search).
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Doing a world phone with smaller battery than the Note line.
So basically it can be done. Samsung can make a world if they want to.
Apple doesn't have a world phone. They have a minimum of 2 phones to do the world. You have to pick your poison of which part. If they do have one, it probably has you covered for calls but not data. Heck any phone has this if data is less a priority and making calls and texts are a higher priority.
There might be obscure world phones but we probably are not privy to it. Satellite phones too of course but price. I actually read an article about Qualcomm's modem and the increase of LTE bands that came out recently talking about RF360 and Intel and Samsung probably not having anything to compete for at least a couple of years. They don't have an all in one solution yet. Close but not world yet. You have China, US and I forgot what part of South America that messes it up. Even though LTE falls under GSM standards I wish they would tighten it up. So many bands across different countries now and you can't keep up. Band 71 for TMobile is not relevant yet unless you live in a market that is getting it because of low or no coverage.
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I doubt it. It will probably be another year or two to get full or near full capability on Samsung modems. Look at all the weird spectrums going up in different countries. And TMobile just got band 71. It will be awhile before we start seeing noticeable effects nationwide for 71. Your optimism is obsessive. When the galaxy note 2 came out all were Exynos chipsets but some had LTE radios. I opted for without mainly because LTE was not fleshed out yet. (and the LTE radios were add on chips and not fully integrated meaning they were battery drainers). I made a good call as did Apple. You also have to consider Qualcomm has a lot more experience than Samsung and Intel in modems and radios. People are so focused on the results or what they can get without thinking through the whole front end of it and what is plausible, necessary and time needed. I am not saying no but again your optimism is obsessive to a fault. Qualcomm hasn't even made a truly international modem yet. (More bands than they can fit in their design and still too many different techs.) How would Samsung do it? It could be done but your battery life would suffer. That's why there are regional phones. Alsooooo, 2g bands are being deprecated in a few places (I think hspa too but nowhere near as much as GPRS/EDGE). To be honest I think it won't be until 2021 at the very least where there will be a few mainstream phones that you could pop in a sim anywhere and get good service across those regions. For now, you have to compromise. LTE is thankfully dropping in the GSM bucket but it needs to be sorted out.
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I think your lack of optimism is obsessive and at fault. What's wrong with being optimistic and having hope? Most of us are just wanting a simple root on the SD variant of the Note 9, whether it be a samfail method or whatever, we'll take it.
The US variant Note 5 was Exynos and worked just fine, so its not impossible for an Exynos equipped phone to work on US carriers. After all, most of the newer phones have a wide range of frequencies that it can support. Sure some phones are set regionally, but you're aware that there are dual SIM phones right?
If you were familiar with the F model Note 8 that some of us got and have tested last year, then my post would have made more sense to you.
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I would almost guarantee no ca working. Does it really matter? My s8+ still got 12mb download speeds.
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Yes it does matter, because with out the ability for the phone to hand off and/or merge the signals, for those in areas where the reception is sketchy, it'd become major headache.
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I have the F model and tested with both AT&T and T-Mobile. Carrier aggregation works with 2 bands on AT&T (12+2) and while it supports all the other AT&T bands it will not aggregate them. No carrier aggregation at all on T-Mobile (single band only).
You can see the supported CA combos the F model has by looking at the FCC filing of the device (do a google search).
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Hey @clubtech, thanks for reiterating. Yea that was the case exactly as you've described.... I was getting the same results on TM on the F variant. I'm aware of the fcc filings, but the curiosity stems from the potential possibility...
Is this a possible lead to get CA working on N960F/DS?
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS8/comments/75ru94/root_exynos_galaxy_s8_how_to_get_carrier/
I've tried this method but just get these two lines without the menu popping up as instructed.
Broadcasting: Intent { act=android.provider.Telephony.SECRET_CODE dat=android_secret_code://27663368378 flg=0x400000 }
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I am most likely doing something wrong or these devices are somehow further locked down. I'm rooted, connected adb, etc. as the instructions say with no success.
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Is this a possible lead to get CA working on N960F/DS?
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS8/comments/75ru94/root_exynos_galaxy_s8_how_to_get_carrier/
I've tried this method but just get these two lines without the menu popping up as instructed.
I am most likely doing something wrong or these devices are somehow further locked down. I'm rooted, connected adb, etc. as the instructions say with no success.
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Mind sharing more info? I'm willing to try it with my device, I'll make a full backup and give it a go! Anything for even better reception!
jgoorn said:
Mind sharing more info? I'm willing to try it with my device, I'll make a full backup and give it a go! Anything for even better reception!
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I tried using the dialer codes *#0011# and *#2263# first to get an idea of what I was looking at. These are mentioned further down in the Reddit thread by other users.
Apparently the code mentioned in the Reddit thread OP is a more advanced code that was removed/disabled from being activated from the dialer several iterations of Samsung devices ago...(ie. It now requires root, can only be activated from adb or terminal).
My theory is that Samsung has now fully gimped it or further hid the activation method. This method apparently worked on the Note 8...
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I tried using the dialer codes *#0011# and *#2263# first to get an idea of what I was looking at. These are mentioned further down in the Reddit thread by other users.
Apparently the code mentioned in the Reddit thread OP is a more advanced code that was removed/disabled from being activated from the dialer several iterations of Samsung devices ago...(ie. It now requires root, can only be activated from adb or terminal).
My theory is that Samsung has now fully gimped it or further hid the activation method. This method apparently worked on the Note 8...
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Hey, I'm the author of that thread and I also have an Exynos s9+ which is same as the Note 9.
The menu is indeed completely disabled, you can't get to it even with adb or root.
There is a way to activate it, but it will not fix our issue. I've been trying for weeks.
We have a problem that started out on the Note 8, and that is the phone is not reporting the correct supported aggregation combos to the cell tower.
Using the menu, my phone does not support 4+12 however it reports 2+12 and I get carrier aggregation when I disable B4.
So far j haven't found a way to change those combos. At this point I'm very sure it grabs them from the CSC. I've been experimenting and have been unsuccessful so far
The S8 reported the correct combos out of the box, however the ill configured 3xCA was stopping it from working, disabling 3xCA made 2xCA work perfectly.
Our issue here is just were missing those combos so no matter what the phone will not do 4+12 even though the hardware is fully capable.
If anyone knows how to change combos, pm me or reply here, thanks.
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Hey, I'm the author of that thread and I also have an Exynos s9+ which is same as the Note 9.
The menu is indeed completely disabled, you can't get to it even with adb or root.
There is a way to activate it, but it will not fix our issue. I've been trying for weeks.
We have a problem that started out on the Note 8, and that is the phone is not reporting the correct supported aggregation combos to the cell tower.
Using the menu, my phone does not support 4+12 however it reports 2+12 and I get carrier aggregation when I disable B4.
So far j haven't found a way to change those combos. At this point I'm very sure it grabs them from the CSC. I've been experimenting and have been unsuccessful so far
The S8 reported the correct combos out of the box, however the ill configured 3xCA was stopping it from working, disabling 3xCA made 2xCA work perfectly.
Our issue here is just were missing those combos so no matter what the phone will not do 4+12 even though the hardware is fully capable.
If anyone knows how to change combos, pm me or reply here, thanks.
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I will totally donate to you if you can get this to work some how! It's pretty much the last feature I'm looking at as a "This phone is perfect except for X".
There seem to be very slight radio differences. I don't know enough to know if buying the generic unlocked version will hinder my usage on T-Mobile. T-Mobile doesn't seem to be offering it for sale anymore. Is there a reason I might want the Exynos version in the U.S. if I don't travel? Any help would be appreciated.
kbone213 said:
There seem to be very slight radio differences. I don't know enough to know if buying the generic unlocked version will hinder my usage on T-Mobile. T-Mobile doesn't seem to be offering it for sale anymore. Is there a reason I might want the Exynos version in the U.S. if I don't travel? Any help would be appreciated.
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All of the N960U and N960U1 devices are exactly the same. Literally.??
To use any of them on Tmobile and get the full tmobile features, just flash the T-Mobile version of the software for the N960U and you'll be good to go.
You can use the Exynos version but I am not sure if any of T-mobile's features would be hindered. Tekhd has a Detonator rom for the Exynos version to get it to run on Tmobile. I am assuming it will enable all Tmobile features. ??
no. every snapdragon galaxy device has the same hardware. If you buy a U version and you want it to be a T version, all you need is a computer, usb cable, drivers installed, Odin, some bubblegum to chew once youre done kicking ass, a keyboard, monitor and a mouse. Flash the T-Mob firmware, reboot and prepare to unwrap that bubblegum and the ass kicking will soon commence.
if you want root, get the xynos version, but if youre using GSM strictly, you wont notice a difference between the functionality of the F and U versions
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no. every snapdragon galaxy device has the same hardware. If you buy a U version and you want it to be a T version, all you need is a computer, usb cable, drivers installed, Odin, some bubblegum to chew once youre done kicking ass, a keyboard, monitor and a mouse. Flash the T-Mob firmware, reboot and prepare to unwrap that bubblegum and the ass kicking will soon commence.
if you want root, get the xynos version, but if youre using GSM strictly, you wont notice a difference between the functionality of the F and U versions
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Thats not exactly the case. The n960w (Canadian) has different cell band support than the n960u or n960u1. A slight hardware variation. I'm not entirely sure if you can convert a n960w to a n960u, but if you could, there would be missing or incompatible cellular bands. The phone would work, just not as well as a region specific device would.
I don't think so. If you are purchasing the US unlocked variant of the Note 9, you should be able to use it with any US cell provider. However you may have to take your device to a high street retail store and let them config some of the settings.
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Thats not exactly the case. The n960w (Canadian) has different cell band support than the n960u or n960u1. A slight hardware variation. I'm not entirely sure if you can convert a n960w to a n960u, but if you could, there would be missing or incompatible cellular bands. The phone would work, just not as well as a region specific device would.
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oh? do tell
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oh? do tell
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Here, I'll tell.
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-sm-n960-model-number-differences/
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Here, I'll tell.
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-sm-n960-model-number-differences/
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you should note the 2G and 3G bands being identical, or at least nearly and the screenshot you showed is suggesting these bands for LTE B38 – 2600 B39 – 1900 B40 – 2300 B41 – 2500
which are covered in the G960U portion of your screenshot
i dont see a compatibility issue here
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i dont see a compatibility issue here
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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dude.... rogers is a GSM provider. 3G-SCDMA is utterly irrelevant
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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also, missing 2 LTE bands isnt a big deal. Let alone the fact that there likely isnt any actual difference anyways. Do you know anyone with a N960U? Id gladly put your Rogers card in my phone if i was able.
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dude.... rogers is a GSM provider. 3G-SCDMA is utterly irrelevant
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Short sighted much? Sprint and Verizon are both cdma carriers. So if anyone in the us on those carriers bought a n960w using your advice they would be lacking in cellular connection in some areas.
Not only that but you also completely ignored the 4g differences as well. Don't go around spreading false information like that. Just because it's snapdragon based doesn't mean they're the same.
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also, missing 2 LTE bands isnt a big deal. Let alone the fact that there likely isnt any actual difference anyways. Do you know anyone with a N960U? Id gladly put your Rogers card in my phone if i was able.
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Missing all the 3g-scdma and a few 4g bands would make quite a big difference, given that different 4g lte bands serve different purposes.
It goes to show that just because they are snapdragon based doesn't mean they are the same all I've done is prove my point that there are slight cellular band differences. Proved you wrong, deal with it and stop saying that all snapdragon note 9's are the same. You're wrong. All the n960u and n960u1's are the same but that's it.
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Short sighted much? Sprint and Verizon are both cdma carriers. So if anyone in the us on those carriers bought a n960w using your advice they would be lacking in cellular connection in some areas.
Not only that but you also completely ignored the 4g differences as well. Don't go around spreading false information like that. Just because it's snapdragon based doesn't mean they're the same.
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Missing all the 3g-scdma and a few 4g bands would make quite a big difference, given that different 4g lte bands serve different purposes.
It goes to show that just because they are snapdragon based doesn't mean they are the same all I've done is prove my point that there are slight cellular band differences. Proved you wrong, deal with it and stop saying that all snapdragon note 9's are the same. You're wrong. All the n960u and n960u1's are the same but that's it.
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this is hysterical.... ok dude.... theyre different because you say so. Oh, did you know that the single sim phones are also the same as the dual sim?
samsung made a very concerted effort to consolidate all of their physical models starting with the S8.
When canada came-a-callin, they must have changed their entire business model regarding the building of phones and the countries respective CSC's and threw them all out the window. So yes, let the poor suckers who took the advice of myself and many others suffer the consequences and wrath of having "the wrong phone".
Get a 960U and a 960W, put the sim card in each of them, prove that youre right or wrong, post up your findings and we can go from there. Until then, we have to base what we do on what we know. Techwalls says they dont share the same band connectivity, samsung says that theyre all the same. Do with that information what you will. Good day sir.
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this is hysterical.... ok dude.... theyre different because you say so. Oh, did you know that the single sim phones are also the same as the dual sim?
samsung made a very concerted effort to consolidate all of their physical models starting with the S8.
When canada came-a-callin, they must have changed their entire business model regarding the building of phones and the countries respective CSC's and threw them all out the window. So yes, let the poor suckers who took the advice of myself and many others suffer the consequences and wrath of having "the wrong phone".
Get a 960U and a 960W, put the sim card in each of them, prove that youre right or wrong, post up your findings and we can go from there. Until then, we have to base what we do on what we know. Techwalls says they dont share the same band connectivity, samsung says that theyre all the same. Do with that information what you will. Good day sir.
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You are right, this is hysterical. Why do you think inserting a different Sim would tell us if the bands are available or not? It wouldn't. It's even funnier because your source wasn't Samsung. Do you have a link from Samsung showing all the bands being the same? I'd like to really see that one because currently you're wrong.
I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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You are right, this is hysterical. Why do you think inserting a different Sim would tell us if the bands are available or not? It wouldn't. It's even funnier because your source wasn't Samsung. Do you have a link from Samsung showing all the bands being the same? I'd like to really see that one because currently you're wrong.
I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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omfg dude... the xynos F variants and the snapdragon (too many letters to bother listing) arent the same. The statement i made about them all being the same was assuming that you could go ahead with the already understood part of this discourse which is that we are discussing American continent versions. If youd like we could also discuss the Chinese versions that have snapdragon processors but are rootable. Thats not likely a rabbit hole you want to go down. I even just got off a chat with a rogers cellular tech who said that they are all the same phone. Every samsung s series or note series phone that was built for the americas are all the same hardware.
youre still wrong and youre fighting like hell to defend your losing position
oh, and for the info from samsung.....
i sold samsung phones at the end of the S7 lifespan and thru the S8 and S9s debuts. We got TONS of technical data on them at the time. Yes i perused the materials because it was such an unprecedented change in samsung phone lineup for the previous 7 iterations. FFS, ive flashed the G960F firmware on my G960U. Currently Running the G960U1.
And yes, putting your card in my phone and running a Cellular utility will tell you ABSOLUTELY what bands its using. Give up dude... Go read some more. Go to a cellular store and ask for the technical releases. THEYRE THE SAME PHONE
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I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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just because this is fun shutting you down. I did get my information from Samsung. I even got some demo models of the S7 and S7 edge from my local Samsung rep. I talked with him a lot. I sent him away to speak with his contacts in Korea about technical issues we encountered with various Sammy devices a few times for that matter.
Ive grabbed at&t S8s and activated them on Verizon. Theyre literally all the same. Im even beginning to think that the firmware is like windows. Every ISO of windows has every version built in to it, its just been bottlenecked to only allow installs of a certain version. Id be willing to entertain the thought of the firmwares doing the same thing. I say this because ive seen apps magically appear that were verizon specific on at&t phones when activated even before having data working or wifi
@troll and Doofus. You're both making schoolboy mistakes when attempting to compare radios on the W and U models.
Get the radio information from Samsung USA website and Samsung CA website then post your screenshots.
Besides, we all already know what F and W stands for in these models.[emoji1787]
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@troll and Doofus. You're both making schoolboy mistakes when attempting to compare radios on the W and U models
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um... no? i am, and have been, keenly aware of the heat issues that samsung has faced over the years of developing their own processor line and having CDMA radios in those devices. Try again pal....
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Get the radio information from Samsung USA website and Samsung CA website then post your screenshots.
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have you even looked for those on the website you recommended for yourself? Have you found them? are they even there? does it even matter since they are literally the exact same phone if they both have the snapdragon processor?
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Besides, we all already know what F and W stands for in these models. [emoji1787]
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apparently not, hence why this discourse has even happened in the first place.....
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um... no? i am, and have been, keenly aware of the heat issues that samsung has faced over the years of developing their own processor line and having CDMA radios in those devices. Try again pal....
have you even looked for those on the website you recommended for yourself? Have you found them? are they even there? does it even matter since they are literally the exact same phone if they both have the snapdragon processor?
apparently not, hence why this discourse has even happened in the first place.....
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I'll say it again. Use Samsung official regional websites to attain accurate radio/band information.
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I'll say it again. Use Samsung official regional websites to attain accurate radio/band information.
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from the guy complaining about not posting screenshots from samsung directly, its ironic that you havent posted them either.
oh, and yeah.... gsmarena is a non reputable site, i can see your reticence in accepting what they say as having any truth to it....
Long time lurker, first time poster here. First of all, a massive THANK YOU to everyone here. You guys and gals are Awesome! <3
So, I bought a Samsung S10 (SM-G973F/DS) on Ebay recently and flashed it to Lineage OS 19.1. All was fine until I tried to activate it. We did everything...manually changing the ASP settings, and a bunch of other stuff to try and get this thing to connect to the mobile network. Even placed the SIM card in another phone just to confirm the SIM card was fine, which it was.
Long story short, I think the device was perhaps locked even though the seller claimed it was unlocked. Whatever, I'm over it. I flashed stock back on it and re-locked the boot loader, sent it back. Not worth the aggravation. However, I am questioning if there wasn't something else I could have done?
I was trying to activate the S10 on Mint Mobile USA (a T-Mobile reseller, so GSM) it should have been fine. The default language on the device was German. I don't think that should matter, but maybe it does? Do European phones have problems activating in North America?
My question is: If I decide to get another S10 (SM-G973F/DS) from the secondary market (if its even worth it at this point, since the SM-G973F/DS is really hard to find), is there anything I can find out from the seller first so I don't end up having to send it back?
Or, should I just give up my dream of having an S10 installed with Lineage OS and it's glorious headphone jack and expandable storage forever? If so, are there any worthy alternatives to the S10 worth considering, given my affinity for headphone jacks and expandable storage?
Hello PhonePerfection, all a novel why you speak S10 G973F / DS in the United States.
Already your model S10 G973F/DS exynos 5G or the first 4G model so if these this Europe chip model, if now installed Samsung phone info look at who is scoring at worst take screenshots.
I don't understand your question United States, locked unlocked the seller.
You buy in the back market refurbished and unlocked telephone all operator therefore for sim card, the concern these the chip to install network either US or ASIA controls your model if these good SM-G973F/DS and not SM-G973U or G973U1.
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I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...m-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/compsomethingatibility/RdEkS7k/samsung-sm-g973f-ds-galaxy-s10-global-dual-sim-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...m-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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Hey, this is great info. Good to know. It looks like that S10 could only communicate on 1 of 8 bands used by Mint/T-Mobile. That 1 usable band appears to have been deprecated by T-Mobile as it is. I think that explains it perfectly. Thank You!
You're welcome.
Yeah, frequencies/bands are very important to watch, particularly if you're buying out of market devices. You have to know model numbers and carriers to be sure of anything, and unfortunately this info is relatively hidden.
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You're welcome.
Yeah, frequencies/bands are very important to watch, particularly if you're buying out of market devices. You have to know model numbers and carriers to be sure of anything, and unfortunately this info is relatively hidden.
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The CSC on that device was DBT (Germany). I had to find that out in order to put the correct stock OS back on there.
Makes me wonder if the ebay seller even knows this. They appear to specialize in mobile phones with tens of thousands of transactions, so I would hope they've encountered this situation before. They were more than happy to accept a return on the device. Sent me a prepaid shipping label immediately.
Back to the CSC... Let's say I look for another S10 (SM-G973F/DS) but I ask what the CSC is for that device. Are there any regions outside the lower 48 states with reasonably good chances of it working? I suppose I would need to study the mobile frequency website for the answer to that.
I did some quick searching, and supposedly there are websites that say the 973F/DS will work on MM (mint mobile)... but they don't detail how. For example: https://de-googled.com/blogs/news/a-word-on-network-compatibility-of-our-degoogled-phones
and https://www.ebay.com/p/15030406771 (in the description).
So, maybe it is possible? I don't know, so maybe someone else can chime in.
Personally, I stuck with U-version phones and gave up rooting/romming. It's just getting too hard to find phones that offer this, so I figured I'd just adapt back to a stock ROM, since choices are limited. I had done a bunch of that in the past, but I found that stock roms (today) are pretty good... and allow enough customization that made root/rom unnecessary... for me. My current is an SM-G975U1 (unlocked, USA, Snapdragon S10+) on Total Wireless (VZ MVNO)... it works great and I don't miss root/rom at all.
Rumor is that the Galaxy S23 will only be offered as Snapdragon, so maybe that will open up more options... but I doubt it. Samsung loves it's Knox system, and will likely lock down the phone even more with every generation.
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I did some quick searching, and supposedly there are websites that say the 973F/DS will work on MM (mint mobile)... but they don't detail how. For example: https://de-googled.com/blogs/news/a-word-on-network-compatibility-of-our-degoogled-phones
and https://www.ebay.com/p/15030406771 (in the description).
So, maybe it is possible? I don't know, so maybe someone else can chime in.
Personally, I stuck with U-version phones and gave up rooting/romming. It's just getting too hard to find phones that offer this, so I figured I'd just adapt back to a stock ROM, since choices are limited. I had done a bunch of that in the past, but I found that stock roms (today) are pretty good... and allow enough customization that made root/rom unnecessary... for me. My current is an SM-G975U1 (unlocked, USA, Snapdragon S10+) on Total Wireless (VZ MVNO)... it works great and I don't miss root/rom at all.
Rumor is that the Galaxy S23 will only be offered as Snapdragon, so maybe that will open up more options... but I doubt it. Samsung loves it's Knox system, and will likely lock down the phone even more with every generation.
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Thanks for the link. I think I may try for an S10 again if the seller can tell me what the CSC is. That page on De-googled.com affirms that American devices are more restrictive than their European counterparts.
It just doesn't make any sense to me personally to use a device with an open source OS that has loads of telemetry, spyware, bloat, etc. Which is a contradiction that I am not comfortable with. It's like installing a Linux distro that comes bundled with Facebook.
To me, being proactive about privacy is the equivalent to standing up for yourself in the real world. Sure, you can use a stock ROM and there is nothing wrong with that. It's having the freedom to choose which is most important. So long as that choice is available, I will happily go that route.
I like the added bonus of an Android device that seems faster with a longer lasting battery as well. I mean, I paid for this device. I should have the right to decide what apps are running on it.
No argument there... I agree with why we should be allowed to root/rom. Unfortunately, the carriers pull the strings in the USA (business over people) so we are losing options. Frankly, it pisses me off that they can still prevent phones from connecting to their network just because the IMEI doesn't match (even if the software is correct). In the end, if the device CAN work on the network, the carrier should have no say in allowing/disallowing it on the network. They like to claim that a "bad" device could "hurt" the network, but if that happens, they can lock out that phone and figure it out. I doubt that's even ever happened, but whatever. (They prevented me from using my already-working V30 US998 phone on the network, even though it ran as VS996 with no issues for years... they only later saw the IMEI wasn't "theirs" (original SIM card failed) so they prevented me from re-registering it. So stupid.)
Good luck, and let us know if you figure it out... I'm always curious to learn!
yes, most japan and europe phones do not have the correct radios channels in them for 4g and 5g. i ran into this same problem with my xperia phones that i bought overseas. this is a common problem that can happen.
The S10 and all it's variants is a world compatible GSM phone. So yes, the F variant should work with most GSM carriers and resellers in N. America.
There are various websites that will tell you what frequencies and carriers any particular model will work with if you do a search. Like this one.
WillMyPhoneWork.net - Check if your phone works on a network
Check 2G, 3G, and 4G LTE Network Frequency Compatibility for a Smartphone, Tablet, and Mobile Device in any Country and Mobile Network Carrier
willmyphonework.net
According to that site the SM-G973F/DS supports all 2G, 3G, and 4G frequencies used by Mint.