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Hi,
I am considering buying HTC One but there is just one thing that makes me rethink my decision and that is the 4MP Camera. It's a stunning device but I am a bit skeptical considering the low megapixel count of 4 in HTC One. People who have already got the phone and also people who have researched on the imaging quality of "The One", please shed some light on the camera bit.
I know it is good for low light conditions but are the daylight photos good enough if not the best that GS4/ iPhone 5/ HTC One have to offer.
Thanks a lot!
Priyankac said:
Hi,
I am considering buying HTC One but there is just one thing that makes me rethink my decision and that is the 4MP Camera. It's a stunning device but I am a bit skeptical considering the low megapixel count of 4 in HTC One. People who have already got the phone and also people who have researched on the imaging quality of "The One", please shed some light on the camera bit.
I know it is good for low light conditions but are the daylight photos good enough if not the best that GS4/ iPhone 5/ HTC One have to offer.
Thanks a lot!
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Daylight images are good, but maybe not as "good" as the GS4 purely cos of less details from the lower MP sensor. HTC is probably one update away to perfecting their metering and auto-exposure, but it is still very good and don't forget really really fast
Megapixels are not a measure of image quality. Never has been, never will be. Higher MP just means bigger prints.
The size of the sensor determines image quality. The One camera takes better photos than my 8MP Nexus 4.
PcFish said:
Megapixels are not a measure of image quality. Never has been, never will be. Higher MP just means bigger prints.
The size of the sensor determines image quality. The One camera takes better photos than my 8MP Nexus 4.
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That's cos the Nexus 4 had a pretty meh sensor I'd say stock S4 camera app is about as good as modified HoX camera For low light, nothing really beats the One though
PcFish said:
Megapixels are not a measure of image quality. Never has been, never will be. Higher MP just means bigger prints.
The size of the sensor determines image quality. The One camera takes better photos than my 8MP Nexus 4.
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Yep, there's been an arms race, so to speak, with manufacturers trying to compete with one another over buzz words, "megapixels" being one of these. The Anandtech HTC One review by Brian Klug covers in excruciating detail the tradeoffs HTC made with the camera hardware vs. marketability
Priyankac said:
Hi,
I am considering buying HTC One but there is just one thing that makes me rethink my decision and that is the 4MP Camera. It's a stunning device but I am a bit skeptical considering the low megapixel count of 4 in HTC One. People who have already got the phone and also people who have researched on the imaging quality of "The One", please shed some light on the camera bit.
I know it is good for low light conditions but are the daylight photos good enough if not the best that GS4/ iPhone 5/ HTC One have to offer.
Thanks a lot!
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To be fair and honest, I find the shutter speed to take long sometimes in natural and incandescent lighting indoors. I could be sitting at the dinner table and be underneath our ceiling fixture and the picture would be a little out of focus or take too long when the lighting is good. I'm assuming this can be fixed with software tweaks. It's almost as if the sensor takes in too much light sometimes, as I find myself having to turn on the flash manually in some indoor shots.
The positive side, the PHONE takes great pictures in outdoor lighting and even indoor with the right lighting or flash. The colors come out more natural and detailed than my wife's S3. Compared to my old Inspire, the One is 100x better.
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I've just been reading a thread on the S4 forum about the lag on the S4 camera. It can take superb landscape pictures in bright light but it struggles with moving images.
The One on the other hand is extremely fast which translates into, for the most part, images with no blurring. And of course low light pictures are far superior which is what everyone raves about.
It really depends what you want from a camera. I, like you, was worried that 4mp would be too much of a downgrade. I then started to think how I actually used my camera. I predominantly take pictures of my family and friends, kids playing in the park etc. I rarely ever view the pictures I've taken on a device that has a better resolution than 1080p and don't crop images often.
A 4mp camera is far higher resolution than 1080p.
As soon as I started snapping my kids, often indoors at dinner times with only fluorescent lighting, I was happy I plumped for the One. It really is astounding how fast it is, and the pictures look lovely on the phones 1080p display.
I would much rather have lower MP. pictures I can use than constantly having to delete blurry higher MP pictures.
Best thing to do? Check out both forums. They are a far more accurate representation of performance than reviews.
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Currykiev said:
I've just been reading a thread on the S4 forum about the lag on the S4 camera. It can take superb landscape pictures in bright light but it struggles with moving images.
The One on the other hand is extremely fast which translates into, for the most part, images with no blurring. And of course low light pictures are far superior which is what everyone raves about.
It really depends what you want from a camera. I, like you, was worried that 4mp would be too much of a downgrade. I then started to think how I actually used my camera. I predominantly take pictures of my family and friends, kids playing in the park etc. I rarely ever view the pictures I've taken on a device that has a better resolution than 1080p and don't crop images often.
A 4mp camera is far higher resolution than 1080p.
As soon as I started snapping my kids, often indoors at dinner times with only fluorescent lighting, I was happy I plumped for the One. It really is astounding how fast it is, and the pictures look lovely on the phones 1080p display.
I would much rather have lower MP. pictures I can use than constantly having to delete blurry higher MP pictures.
Best thing to do? Check out both forums. They are a far more accurate representation of performance than reviews.
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Thanks for your reply
Does cropping render the quality very low?
Something to add, is that if you take low light video (night clubs, bars, dimly lit rooms etc) the video framerate will fluctuate between 17 and 30fps, causing it to look choppy. That is the only thing I hate about the One at the moment. Choppy video in low light. The galaxy s4 (and my old s3) do not have this issue
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Something to add, is that if you take low light video (night clubs, bars, dimly lit rooms etc) the video framerate will fluctuate between 17 and 30fps, causing it to look choppy. That is the only thing I hate about the One at the moment. Choppy video in low light. The galaxy s4 (and my old s3) do not have this issue
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It's just different companies prioritizing different things. The One tries to get in enough light regardless of what it has to do, and that means fluctuating frame rates in low light video. The S3, S4 and Lumia do different things in where they force 30FPS, but in return you get much less light in, making the video darker. But the phone is still plenty new, and we can all hope that HTC would give us an option for what we want, shutter speed priority mode please
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It's just different companies prioritizing different things. The One tries to get in enough light regardless of what it has to do, and that means fluctuating frame rates in low light video. The S3, S4 and Lumia do different things in where they force 30FPS, but in return you get much less light in, making the video darker. But the phone is still plenty new, and we can all hope that HTC would give us an option for what we want, shutter speed priority mode please
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Yeah, my issue is that they prioritized something that I'm not used to lol but yeah, hopefully that issue can be fixed
Speaking of the software, if they're gonna include Zoe and all that, I wish they'd provide a Highlight studio of sorts where you can choose the transitions/music/frames etc on the phone.
Currykiev said:
I've just been reading a thread on the S4 forum about the lag on the S4 camera. It can take superb landscape pictures in bright light but it struggles with moving images.
The One on the other hand is extremely fast which translates into, for the most part, images with no blurring. And of course low light pictures are far superior which is what everyone raves about.
It really depends what you want from a camera. I, like you, was worried that 4mp would be too much of a downgrade. I then started to think how I actually used my camera. I predominantly take pictures of my family and friends, kids playing in the park etc. I rarely ever view the pictures I've taken on a device that has a better resolution than 1080p and don't crop images often.
A 4mp camera is far higher resolution than 1080p.
As soon as I started snapping my kids, often indoors at dinner times with only fluorescent lighting, I was happy I plumped for the One. It really is astounding how fast it is, and the pictures look lovely on the phones 1080p display.
I would much rather have lower MP. pictures I can use than constantly having to delete blurry higher MP pictures.
Best thing to do? Check out both forums. They are a far more accurate representation of performance than reviews.
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Thanks a lot for your reply.
Currently I have Galaxy S4 and I am thinking of returning it and going for HTC One. The camera is the only thing holding me back. I am super confused.
Could you please direct me to the two forums you have mentioned, being new I am unable to find them.
Thanks for the help.
Is it really 4 Mega pixels??
I thought it was 4 Ultra Pixels??
Surely that different?
"Ultra Pixel" is a marketing name for this sensor, it's still a 4MP device with bigger pixels to get more light and reach the f2.0 limit. Not more only bigger.
m.r.davies said:
Is it really 4 Mega pixels??
I thought it was 4 Ultra Pixels??
Surely that different?
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It's 4 Megapixel in resolution, but the sensor has more than 4Megapixels. They extra pixels are used solely to capture light, and that's why it has very good low light capabilities
Here's the technical explanation of this ST Microelectronics CMOS Sensor:
The Camera
The HTC One bucks the trend. Based on the 1/3″ form factor of a camera module and today’s state-of-the-art 1.1 µm pixels, all the latest competitive phones sport 13 Mp resolution. HTC has gone with a larger 2.0 µm pixel (confirmed) and a 4 MP sensor. They are pitching the low light sensitivity as a key feature. The device is a back-illuminated sensor fabricated by STMicroelectronics with die marks 58698A. This is the first BI sensor we have seen from ST.The camera uses the IDG-2021 gyroscope by Invensense for motion stabilization. It is a dual-axis gyro with high resolution ADCs designed specifically for optical image stabilization.The secondary sensor is a 2 Mp, 1.4 µm sensor by OmniVision with die marks OV2A9BA. It is a nice secondary sensor that we have seen before in other phones.
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The moving video is fantastic with the optical gyro.always smooth videos.
And takes great night shots with longer exposure cause it's easy to get a steady photo.
Why does mine say pn071?
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Personally I love the 4MP cam in the One. I came from a long line of iPhones and although they're not perfect, I realized that the most I was going to be doing was hold these images for viewing on my computer, sharing at times. Between the 13MP GS4 and the One I thought it was an easy decision to get the One. I just don't see a need for 13MP size picture files laying around in my computer taking up space.
Now I'm just a normal consumer from a photog perspective. I have a graphic arts background, but I rarely perform treatments or heavy manipulation on my own photos. Take some shots with the One demo at your local store. You'll be amazed at the clarity, especially when zoomed in.
So, i used this device for over a month and so far the camera works great to me, i compared it to other phones i got in touch like iPhone 4s, Note 2 and the S3, video recording is just great on HTC One, it just works better in my opinion, great clarity, good autofocus.
As for photos, it's great, all the photos on 100% zoom look bad, but the HTC One photos look modest at 100% zoom so i don't really think camera is a deal-breaker, it's a great camera the thing is HTC opted for a more revolutionary camera and so far i think they've done a pretty good job.
Anyone notice that optical image stabilization is missing in the specifications? I just did a quick search and found several sources saying its digital stabilization. A little bummed about that. Thoughts anyone? :crying:
From the videos, its pretty stable with digital stabilization compared to other smartphones no?
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From the videos, its pretty stable with digital stabilization compared to other smartphones no?
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Yeah, can't wait for a couple full blown reviews. If anything, hopefully they will bundle the qx10 for preorders in the US too. I hear the qx10 has the optical stabilization. I'm just worried about the low light blurriness. I had the 1020 and it was fantastic.
Smartphone makers try to close the image quality gap between their phones and actual camera.
However, to be honest, I do not rely to much to phone camera.
Their lens can't and sensors can't compare to actual camera even point and shot one, not saying SLR cameras.
Anyway, a phone without a camera is also something should be in history.
It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
katamari201 said:
It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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Dude, what is your problem? It's only a phone with camera that can rival with the best currently available when it comes to pure picture quality. It bests S4 in low light shots and rivals 1020, in daylight photos you can clearly see more details compared to S4 (which by many is considered to have the best camera on android). What is true is that Sony still needs to improve their algorithm but even as it is now it can produce exceptional photos even in full 20mpix resolution.
Stop acting like a baby!!
Wishmaster89 said:
Dude, what is your problem? It's only a phone with camera that can rival with the best currently available when it comes to pure picture quality. It bests S4 in low light shots and rivals 1020, in daylight photos you can clearly see more details compared to S4 (which by many is considered to have the best camera on android). What is true is that Sony still needs to improve their algorithm but even as it is now it can produce exceptional photos even in full 20mpix resolution.
Stop acting like a baby!!
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I think that we all just wanted them to do it right you know? They went out to make a great camera phone and it feels like they stopped 5% away from the finish line. Still, will probably be a great phone and a great camera.
systoxity said:
I think that we all just wanted them to do it right you know? They went out to make a great camera phone and it feels like they stopped 5% away from the finish line. Still, will probably be a great phone and a great camera.
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There'a a difference between disappointment and senseless bashing and that is what I was criticizing.
I agree that it is a shame that they weren't able to include OIS or sensor shift but I think that it could have been currently impossible with such a big sensor and bigger lens than other manufacturers. It is a shame but it's not something that automatically makes it worse than G2 or note 3/S4, on the contrary I still think that it'll end up doing better pictures than both of them.
Sony SteadyShot
It's not all down hill guys, the Z1 has Sony's SteadyShot technology in it, it just appears to only work in video mode which imo is best place, I suppose there will be more clarification once it's out......http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z1/features/#camera
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It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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You sound completely mental.
OIS.. will increase quality for low light shot without question...because of ISO..dont know the ISO range.. any one knows?
jos_031 said:
OIS.. will increase quality for low light shot without question...because of ISO..dont know the ISO range.. any one knows?
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6400 it says on the Sony site I linked it 2 posts back.
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katamari201 said:
It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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You're just trolling. I've been checking on the photo samples from the Z1 for the past couple days cause I'm considering getting one. I've been waiting for HTC to announce the One Max, but the lack of doing so at the IFA completely made me give up on them and push me toward getting a Z1 instead. At first I noticed the photos had a lot of noise from the Z1 photo samples, but it seems like the noise was taken cared of via software update. The lack of OIS doesn't exactly affect the quality of the photos so far from what I see. The photo samples from the Z1 look more natural than 1020's which had a yellow tint to it. The photos were so defined when comparing the HTC One under low light condition and HTC One is only a bit behind on 1020 under low light condition.
Really, i think at this point we all just need to get our hands on one and give it a shot. The sample photos floating around on the internet certainly haven't been flattering but that could be due to any number of variables. Any word on US release yet?
Exposure is basically the AMOUNT OF LIGHT (controlled by the aperture) that is captured over a SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME (controlled by the shutter speed).
A HIGH aperture number (fstop) = LESS light being recorded on your digital sensor while a LOW aperture number = MORE light being recorded on your digital sensor. apertures are called fstops
Shutter speed: it is the amount of time your shutter stays open when you click the button
The longer your shutter stays open the more motion it will have time to record. The shorter the time your shutter remains open, the more motion it will freeze. But at low light you need more exposure
ISO rating along with the shutter speed and aperture setting are the three elements that determine the final exposure of the photographic image.
The ISO rating, which ranges in value from 25 to 6400 (or beyond), indicates the specific light sensitivity. The lower the number, the less sensitive to light the film stock or image sensor is. Conversely, a higher number indicates a higher sensitivity to light, thereby allowing that film or image sensor to work better in low light conditions.
the lower ISO rating also meant that the photosensitive grains of salt on the film acetate were very fine, thus producing a smoother, cleaner image. A higher ISO had larger, jagged grains of salt, thus producing “rougher” or grainier images.
Lower ISO ratings produce color-accurate, smooth and aesthetically appealing images… and this requires ideal lighting conditions. However, there are some subjects that you want to photograph in low light conditions. Or, you may want to stop fast-moving objects. In both situations, you need higher ISOs to capture those images with an acceptable exposure.with the higher ISOs, you can use faster shutter speeds to eliminate motion blur and/or camera shake. In the event that you want to use motion blur creatively, then decreasing the ISO is simple, and you can then decrease the shutter speed to achieve the desired motion blur and still have smooth, noise-less images.
The size of the digital camera’s image sensor dictates what ISO setting provides the least amount of digital noise. One must understand that image sensor size is not the same thing as pixel count. Image sensor size is the actual physical dimensions of the sensor, for most of the history of digital photography the image sensor has been smaller than a 35mm film frame. On point and shoot cameras, the sensor was quite small, and on most DSLR cameras, the image sensor has been the size of APC film (23x15mm). Smaller image sensors produce much more digital noise at higher ISOs (like 800) mainly because the high pixel count means that more pixels are being packed into a smaller area, thus producing more grain at all but the lowest ISO.
Whenever you shoot in low light or use a long lens, or if you simply aren't holding a camera steady, you risk introducing camera shake into your images. This manifests itself as a blurring of details, and unlike other image quality issues it's not something that can be fixed in post-processing.
The three main image stabilisation systems on offer:
Manufacturers have different names for lens-based stabilisation, but they all largely work in the same way.
ISO based
All but the cheapest compacts offer image stabilisation, and the easiest solution from the manufacturer's point of view is one based on sensitivity. This adds nothing to the manufacturing of a camera as it's simply the ISO which needs to be adjusted, easily handled by the camera's firmware.
As this is the most basic form of image stabilisation, and as other types are preferable, manufacturers often call it 'digital' image stabilisation in press releases and throughout specification lists.
With this type of image stabilisation, the camera looks at the focal length and shutter speed being used, and decides whether the two will create a sharp enough image. If it deems them to be inadequate the camera's sensitivity will be raised, which in turn increases the shutter speed, but the resulting signal will need to be amplified to a greater extent.
So, a camera could choose to raise an image that would be otherwise captured at 1/20sec to 1/80sec, but it would need to raise the sensitivity twofold. So, from ISO 100 this would rise to ISO 400, from ISO 200 to ISO 800 and so on.
The image is still captured sharply as a more appropriate shutter speed has been used, but this process gives rise to noise which is typical with images captured at higher sensitivities. For this reason other systems are preferable in more expensive cameras and lenses. In many compacts, this method is often complemented by sensor-based stabilisation.
Sensor based
Sensor-based stabilisation also uses information such as focal length and shutter speed on which to base its calculations, but instead of adjusting the sensitivity the camera physically moves the sensor.
The sensor will typically be mounted on a platform, which will move to compensate for any movement when the camera senses it is necessary.
Minolta first introduced the feature in its DiMAGE A1 camera back in 2003, and, after merging with Konica, incorporated it into the 7D DSLR.
Sony continued the feature when it took over Konica Minolta's imaging business, and was soon joined by Pentax, Olympus and others. All three companies continue to use the system today, and it has since been adopted by other manufacturers for their own hybrid systems and compacts.
In the case of DSLRs and hybrids, this type of image stabilisation brings the significant advantage of allowing lenses to be made smaller, lighter and cheaper (as they do not need to incorporate any form of image stabilisation themselves), and is effective with virtually any mounted lens. This is particularly handy in the case of older lenses which predate image stabilisation technology, although it may be necessary to first input the focal length of the lens into the camera, depending on the lens, camera and the nature of communication between the two.
Lens based
Lens-based image stabilisation came just before digital cameras were made accessible, but the two have more or less evolved over a similar space of time.
Today, the technology is found in a range of optics manufactured by Canon and Nikon (particularly those targeted towards the professional), as well throughout the ranges from independent lens manufacturers Sigma and Tamron. Panasonic also uses the system in its lenses designed for the Micro Four Thirds system, as well as those found in its Lumix range of compacts.
Lens-based stabilisation systems typically work by shifting a lens group towards the rear of the lens on a plane perpendicular to the optical axis.
This is done with the help of two gyro sensors inside the lens, one for yaw and one for pitch. These notice the angle and speed of any movement, and this information is fed to a microprocessor which computes the necessary adjustments needed to be made by the lens group. By doing so, the light's angle of refraction is changed so that it hits the sensor in the right place.
Manufacturers of these systems claim that this type of stabilisation is the most effective as it can be tailored specifically to the objective in which it us used. And, as stabilisation takes place in the lens, the photographer is able to view the effect through the viewfinder.
Typically this activates once the shutter release has been half-depressed, although it is possible on different camera/lens combinations to set when the stabilisation begins, such as only at the moment of capture, for example. This has the additional benefit of conserving power, as, left on all the time, lens-based image stabilisation systems can eat up battery power fairly quickly.
One recent development in this area is Canon's Hybrid IS system, which offers two types of correction.
The first is via an angular velocity sensor which notices rotational shake, which is found in existing image-stabilised lenses.
Canon 100mmThe second - and what makes the Hybrid IS system different - is a separate sensor for noticing camera shift (linear) movements, such as when a camera moves up, down, left or right while remaining parallel to the subject. Canon claims that by incorporating both sensors camera shake is better corrected.
Now i guess everyone got importance of OIS feature..
And i tried the camera of xperia Z1.. the picture was blurry at full zoom. but noise was absent..I feel low noise is more important than full zoom blur...because the photo is excellent for normal usage
wow, thank you that was a great read.
First non official Note 4 camera samples released (Not the fake ones from Samsung). Check it out: http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/...4-camera-samples-4k-video-samples-look-great/
They look pretty good, has anyone found an original 4k video recorded on the Note 4? Be interesting to see if the OIS is better than the G3's.
really promising
Is 4k 30fps or 15 like N3 ?
30fps
Nice... id like to see more lowlight shots. The N3 was pretty terrible and made everything look like the lens was covered in gel.
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Nice... id like to see more lowlight shots. The N3 was pretty terrible and made everything look like the lens was covered in gel.
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N4 Cam is awesome
xManMythLegend said:
Nice... id like to see more lowlight shots. The N3 was pretty terrible and made everything look like the lens was covered in gel.
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This is an area where the OIS will come in handy.
My Nexus 5 really put my GS4 to shame in low light, even though the GS4 was as good, if not better than the N5 in decent lighting. With the OIS the camera can use a slightly slower shutter speed to get a clearer image, without worrying about blurring the image as much, or having the increase the ISO to counteract the quicker shutter speed.
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This is an area where the OIS will come in handy.
My Nexus 5 really put my GS4 to shame in low light, even though the GS4 was as good, if not better than the N5 in decent lighting. With the OIS the camera can use a slightly slower shutter speed to get a clearer image, without worrying about blurring the image as much, or having the increase the ISO to counteract the quicker shutter speed.
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Depends how they implement it. The G2 was so bad it took five seconds to focus and everything was a blur, even video,because they relied on too low a shutter speed and OIS only helps so much.
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Depends how they implement it. The G2 was so bad it took five seconds to focus and everything was a blur, even video,because they relied on too low a shutter speed and OIS only helps so much.
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You're right, it's no guarantee that it will be fantastic.
However, the Note 3 and S4/5 have been decent, although not fantastic in low light. So if we assume that the sensor/algorithms are at least as good as that on the Note 4 (although they'll most likely be a bit better!) and then throw the OIS on top of that, it should make for a better camera overall.
We'll have to wait and see for some proper reviews and user hands on feedback though!
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N3 does 4k at 30 FPS, not 15.
I love everything about this phone but, the camera sux. Hope HTC gives current M8 owners a special deal. I doubt it, lol
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/09/26/new-htc-one-m8-release-could-deliver-improved-camera/
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I'll pass, nothing wrong with my camera, higher Megapixels means larger file size. Pain in the ass trying to send pics through MMS. I'll wait for the M9, full glass screen looks sexy.
Once i cleaned that film off the lense the camera has been perfect.
My focus seems to lock on faster too after cleaning the lenses.
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I could have used the 13 megapixel camera the other day verses the 4 MP. Took a picture that I wanted to blow up poster sized that turned out grainy...
That is the one thing that I dislike about HTC, they keep releasing phone after phone after phone with additional features and functions. So when you paid for the latest and greatest you have outdated technology...
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I could have used the 13 megapixel camera the other day verses the 4 MP. Took a picture that I wanted to blow up poster sized that turned out grainy...
That is the one thing that I dislike about HTC, they keep releasing phone after phone after phone with additional features and functions. So when you paid for the latest and greatest you have outdated technology...
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There is this other technology called a real camera if you wanted a poster size picture. Even with a 13 megapixel cellphone camera it is going to look grainy compared to a SLR camera.
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Once i cleaned that film off the lense the camera has been perfect.
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I did the same thing, one day the pics looked horrible then I read up on it and did the toothpaste and cotton swab trick and my pics have been great. Very strange how it went bad like that, but, as it was said the pictures for me do what I need.
Tooth paste with a cotton swab?.....hmmmm mite have to try that
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robbo10 said:
Tooth paste with a cotton swab?.....hmmmm mite have to try that
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robbo10 said:
Tooth paste with a cotton swab?.....hmmmm mite have to try that
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I personally had better luck with the corner of a credit card method. I tried the toothpaste and swab but I guess it wasn't gritty enough (not enough baking soda in the paste) or something. For me it just made the film on the lens worse, then I tried the credit card method and worked like a charm.
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I agree that the camera on this phone sucks. Looking forward to Nexus6.
schmeggy929 said:
There is this other technology called a real camera if you wanted a poster size picture. Even with a 13 megapixel cellphone camera it is going to look grainy compared to a SLR camera.
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Exactly. I don't know why people think higher megapixels = better pictures. This camera is fine to me.
ajones7279 said:
Exactly. I don't know why people think higher megapixels = better pictures. This camera is fine to me.
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+1 on this. Folks gotta keep in mind that the camers isnt an Olympus or a Nikon. Its a phone camera. There are alot of editing apps out there to make the pics you take with a phone much much better. I use SnapSeed for editing with some pretty impressive results.
The camera on this thing sucks. Period. The front camera is ridden with distortion as is the back camera. I have a pro camera as I am a photographer, howvwer I expect my phone that was advertised as having amazing camera. to at least take decent pics. It just doesn't. I do like take the occasional selfie, but never end up using it because there is just too much distortion. People say we expect too much from cell phone cameras. BS. I had a G2, it took excellent pics. As did all of my iPhones. This phones camera is a POS
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The camera on this thing sucks. Period. The front camera is ridden with distortion as is the back camera. I have a pro camera as I am a photographer, howvwer I expect my phone that was advertised as having amazing camera. to at least take decent pics. It just doesn't. I do like take the occasional selfie, but never end up using it because there is just too much distortion. People say we expect too much from cell phone cameras. BS. I had a G2, it took excellent pics. As did all of my iPhones. This phones camera is a POS
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I honestly have no issue with the camera on this device. Ask the selfies I've taken turned it great. Maybe your camera lenses need to be cleaned?
I've had two m8's. Both have suffered from terrible distortion. Start your front camera and take a pic of yourself. Notice how if the camera Is on anything but the same plane as your face your head gets distorted. The top of your head looks stretched out, etc. There have been a lot of other people complainging about the distortion and that isn't caused by a dirty lens
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Success100 said:
I've had two m8's. Both have suffered from terrible distortion. Start your front camera and take a pic of yourself. Notice how if the camera Is on anything but the same plane as your face your head gets distorted. The top of your head looks stretched out, etc. There have been a lot of other people complainging about the distortion and that isn't caused by a dirty lens
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As a photographer you should know that even with a dslr you get distortion depending on focal length and lens.. You expect better from a front facing cell cam??I Don't personally use the front cam as I don't take selfies but rear cam has produced some great shots, but it's a cell phone so instagram is all that I use it for. Wouldn't dare pull it out to take pics of clients.
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As a photographer you should know that even with a dslr you get distortion depending on focal length and lens.. You expect better from a front facing cell cam??I Don't personally use the front cam as I don't take selfies but rear cam has produced some great shots, but it's a cell phone so instagram is all that I use it for. Wouldn't dare pull it out to take pics of clients.
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You are absolutely right, but they also have in camera software that automatically corrects it under certain conditions. Or you fix it in post. Heck it also depends on the lens manufacturer. One lens can be 50mm with almost no distortion, the next 50mm lens could be riddled with distortion so it also depends on the lens you choose. Also with SLR cameras there a thousand lenses so it's a different ball game. This is one lens, one phone, one focal length, with absolutely repeatable results. That could not have been possibly been missed during the testing of this phone. If they wanted to keep costs low, understandable because it IS just a phone canera, but they could have easily compensated by fixing it in the cameras software It's bad enough to a point where I'm ready to switch devices... as much as I love this phone. If you don't take selfies that's fine, but for us that do, having your head elongated and your facial features distorted if the phone is not absolutely 100% perfectly parallel to your face is to me, absurd..considering there are a ton of other phones, similarly equipped camera wise, that do not suffer from this issue.
It boggles me. I can deal with a little distortion. However the distortion in the "selfie" camera is extreme. Ruins every shot. This should have been a situation in which during testing and software development, which IM SURE THEY EXPERIENCED, that they have put a script in there to fix the distortion. They knew they put a wide angle lens in the front camera assembly, and should have put the software fixes there to correct it, because every m8 experiences it (I've tried SEVERAL. and there are tons of complaints about it) Do I expect too much? NO! There are a thousand other camera phones that have wide front elements, that do NOT suffer from the same level of distortion, and if they do have it, they were smart enough to have the software fix it before it spits out the final picture to you. Flagship android device, ruined by a terrible front facing camera. My opinion
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You are absolutely right, but they also have in camera software that automatically corrects it under certain conditions. Or you fix it in post. Heck it also depends on the lens manufacturer. One lens can be 50mm with almost no distortion, the next 50mm lens could be riddled with distortion so it also depends on the lens you choose. Also with SLR cameras there a thousand lenses so it's a different ball game. This is one lens, one phone, one focal length, with absolutely repeatable results. That could not have been possibly been missed during the testing of this phone. If they wanted to keep costs low, understandable because it IS just a phone canera, but they could have easily compensated by fixing it in the cameras software It's bad enough to a point where I'm ready to switch devices... as much as I love this phone. If you don't take selfies that's fine, but for us that do, having your head elongated and your facial features distorted if the phone is not absolutely 100% perfectly parallel to your face is to me, absurd..considering there are a ton of other phones, similarly equipped camera wise, that do not suffer from this issue.
It boggles me. I can deal with a little distortion. However the distortion in the "selfie" camera is extreme. Ruins every shot. This should have been a situation in which during testing and software development, which IM SURE THEY EXPERIENCED, that they have put a script in there to fix the distortion. They knew they put a wide angle lens in the front camera assembly, and should have put the software fixes there to correct it, because every m8 experiences it (I've tried SEVERAL. and there are tons of complaints about it) Do I expect too much? NO! There are a thousand other camera phones that have wide front elements, that do NOT suffer from the same level of distortion, and if they do have it, they were smart enough to have the software fix it before it spits out the final picture to you. Flagship android device, ruined by a terrible front facing camera. My opinion
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Completely understand, and maybe that's why in the new phone models they went in a different direction with the front cam.
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You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the HTC 10 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Pretty bad
I think it is excellent, sharp and clear!
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yes its bad, coming from a note 5.
its really good from m9. And love how there is a "flash" for selfies on the 10.
I think is great too, coming from a Galaxy S4
I have the m9 and my sister has the 10 and I have to say the m9 is way better in low light and looks better picture wise but in video the 10 is better
not use the front camera
Does the front camera autofocus?
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Does the front camera autofocus?
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I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
Neekeet said:
I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
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I have noticed this also. This happens because you cant touch to focus in snapchat. The stock camera app can take amazing from facing photos when you can touch to focus. The auto focus doesnt kick in like it probably should =/
I think most of phone now including HTC 10, still have focusing issue in front camera.. hope they fix that
not bad, but not LG, Sony or Samsung quality.
I have the problem that the front facing cam only delivers sharp pictures while holding the cam no too far away. This even happens with the HTC camera app. When I hold my arm fully streched, the image is never 100% sharp. The view finder shows a sharp picture but the result is blurred. I really start to worry that my front facing lens might be broken. But if this was correct, the preview was also blurred, right?
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I have the problem that the front facing cam only delivers sharp pictures while holding the cam no too far away. This even happens with the HTC camera app. When I hold my arm fully streched, the image is never 100% sharp. The view finder shows a sharp picture but the result is blurred. I really start to worry that my front facing lens might be broken. But if this was correct, the preview was also blurred, right?
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This was officially fixed with 1.90.x.
Was fiddling with devcheck, and stumbled onto the tabs for front camera. It seems to me that the front camera is RAW capable. Can anybody confirm or deny this claim? If so, I would love some app recommendations that can squeeze out every ounce of RAW goodness from it. Thank you all in advance!
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I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
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It was a Snapchat error. We have got it fixed finally by rating it bad on the Play Store and mentioning our problems while writing the reviews xD. Its wonderful now.
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Maybe the latest software update had to do something with that because Snapchat sucked big time for me, both front and back camera video and picture.
Hello yeah
I come from the m7 and I'm delighted of course by the quality.
I have a comparison had an s5 and s7 edge in comparison and grade videos made from a clear winner.
My favorite is, although I am also a fan of the s7, the m10.
Unfortunately, I was disappointed somewhat in poorer light conditions due to my high expectations.
Overall I am but more than happy with the cam
Absolutely terrible. So bad, in fact that its' one of the things that I'm jumping ship to another brand next time. They advertised this as having OIS and being special, but the focus range is whack because they went with a Samsung sensor that was having issues and the post processing is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too aggressive. I find mid range and high end phones from like 3 years ago are better looking because they are actually in focus and don't look strangely digital.