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Hello folks.
I'm on a bit of a limbo. Can you help me?
Fist of all i should state that i was a former Galaxy S3 owner, so even if I have some experience with the underworld of rooting and flashing, bootloader issues are a bit alien for me.
The problem:
My Brazilian Moto X with unlocked bootloader was on 4.4, and after receiving the OTA update, i thought that i could update it if I removed root and etc (after all i was not using Xposed and ETC, so no deep modifications at /system that i know).
Of course i was wrong, and as greeted with a nice bootloop by my moto X. No problem, I got the 4.4.2 UK and flashed it thought RSD lite. After the flashing, I dit not liked the modifications the UK 4.4.2 retail have (like carrier name on bar, etc etc) and just flashed Philz and recovered my nandroid.
All is nice, but now i can't update to 4.4.2 Brazilian because i can't install 4.4 Retail Brazilian trought RSD lite, since the Moto X just detects that it haves 4.4.2 bootloader and not let me downgrade! I'm in a Limbo \o/
What now? There is any way to downgrade the bootloader? There is any one who have a full Brazilian 4.4.2 image (or a image without carrier name on the bar) for unlocked bootloaders? Any 4.4.2 flashable update using CWM or TWRP?
Oh god, so many questions. Thanks for your atention!
brunodmjr said:
Hello folks.
I'm on a bit of a limbo. Can you help me?
Fist of all i should state that i was a former Galaxy S3 owner, so even if I have some experience with the underworld of rooting and flashing, bootloader issues are a bit alien for me.
The problem:
My Brazilian Moto X with unlocked bootloader was on 4.4, and after receiving the OTA update, i thought that i could update it if I removed root and etc (after all i was not using Xposed and ETC, so no deep modifications at /system that i know).
Of course i was wrong, and as greeted with a nice bootloop by my moto X. No problem, I got the 4.4.2 UK and flashed it thought RSD lite. After the flashing, I dit not liked the modifications the UK 4.4.2 retail have (like carrier name on bar, etc etc) and just flashed Philz and recovered my nandroid.
All is nice, but now i can't update to 4.4.2 Brazilian because i can't install 4.4 Retail Brazilian trought RSD lite, since the Moto X just detects that it haves 4.4.2 bootloader and not let me downgrade! I'm in a Limbo \o/
What now? There is any way to downgrade the bootloader? There is any one who have a full Brazilian 4.4.2 image (or a image without carrier name on the bar) for unlocked bootloaders? Any 4.4.2 flashable update using CWM or TWRP?
Oh god, so many questions. Thanks for your atention!
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you can't downgrade the bootlaoder sorry
as for the carrier name in the bar someone will make a xposed mod to remove it.
i would either stay with 4.4 if that makes you happy or flash the correct 4.4.2 firmware for your device and tweak it to your liking.
Unfortunately you cannot downgrade the bootloader from 4.4.2 to 4.4.
Is it so dificult to do a 4.4.2 flashable update or we just lack devs?
brunodmjr said:
Is it so dificult to do a 4.4.2 flashable update or we just lack devs?
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If you find the factory 4.4.2 image for your device, then you manually flash the 4.4.2 files.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
If you find the factory 4.4.2 image for your device, then you manually flash the 4.4.2 files.
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I can only find the UK one. There is no 4.4.2 factory image for Brazilian Moto X, and i really don't want to install Xposed to remove the carrier name from the bar, since i play Square Enix titles.
brunodmjr said:
I can only find the UK one. There is no 4.4.2 factory image for Brazilian Moto X, and i really don't want to install Xposed to remove the carrier name from the bar, since i play Square Enix titles.
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Well...then you are at an impasse. Sorry.
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Well...then you are at an impasse. Sorry.
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So bad. Know any way to convert the OTA update to a CWM flashable zip? Any guide or something?
brunodmjr said:
So bad. Know any way to convert the OTA update to a CWM flashable zip? Any guide or something?
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No. I, like you, depend on the hard work of developers here for that kind of thing.
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No. I, like you, depend on the hard work of developers here for that kind of thing.
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I'm a dev too. Let's research.
The full image will probably be available in a few days to a week, so you should probably just wait for it since your phone is working.
Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
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flashallthetime said:
Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
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It certainly seems Motorola has changed the game with 4.4.2, flashing other carriers firmware at this time seems quite risky. As you said I wouldn't recommend it right now until more is known and all full flash images of 4.4.2 are released.
Steve-x said:
It certainly seems Motorola has changed the game with 4.4.2, flashing other carriers firmware at this time seems quite risky. As you said I wouldn't recommend it right now until more is known and all full flash images of 4.4.2 are released.
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Someone should start a thread with all info and have it stickied, getting stupid here, miss info, assuming have a unlocked boot loader will prevent hard bricks.
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flashallthetime said:
Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
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OP's issue was that he wanted to downgrade to 4.2 -- not that he was trying to change the carrier version of the 4.4.2 bootloader. Are there any threads about someone having an issue trying to flash a different carrier's version of 4.4.2?
piccit said:
OP's issue was that he wanted to downgrade to 4.2 -- not that he was trying to change the carrier version of the 4.4.2 bootloader. Are there any threads about someone having an issue trying to flash a different carrier's version of 4.4.2?
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Threads no but multiple threads about issues, stay away from flashing another carriers 4.4.2 firmware at this point in time, I'm trying to get boot loader numbers for all carrier firmware , so far all north american and south american boot loaders are the same but T-Mobile and AT&T have yet to be released, European boot loaders are not yet posted
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Every issue that I've read about is from people trying to downgrade. I haven't seen anyone have an issue about trying to side-grade
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Every issue that I've read about is from people trying to downgrade. I haven't seen anyone have an issue about trying to side-grade
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Boot loaders numbers are different
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That's the risk of being impatient and flashing things in a hurry when they drop....that weren't made for our particular phone.
Remember ...good things come to those who wait.......and bad things for those who are too impatient.
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Just find the Brazilian full 4.4.2 file and rsdlite it or mfastboot flash. I believe it was floating around somewhere.
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I just got the 4.4.2 update from claro in chile. But I have not installed it yet. My phone is on 4.2.2 at the moment. The bootloader is unlocked. It is rooted using rockmymoto. What I want to know is what do I need to do to get it ready for the 4.4.2 upgrade? I assume I need to unroot it? Also I have lucky patcher installed and I odexed my system, will this be a problem? Will I be able to get root in 4.4.2?
AGISCI said:
I just got the 4.4.2 update from claro in chile. But I have not installed it yet. My phone is on 4.2.2 at the moment. The bootloader is unlocked. It is rooted using rockmymoto. What I want to know is what do I need to do to get it ready for the 4.4.2 upgrade? I assume I need to unroot it? Also I have lucky patcher installed and I odexed my system, will this be a problem? Will I be able to get root in 4.4.2?
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There are threads on this in the general folder as well as this folder.
What I don't understand is why you had to root using rockmymoto if your bootloader is unlocked? Why didn't you just flash a custom recovery like TWRP and install SuperSU to root?
Do you have the 4.2.2 post camera update installed?
Cozume said:
There are threads on this in the general folder as well as this folder.
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I have read various topics in both of the forums on it. But I wanted to be 100% sure of what path I need to follow to be sure I don't brick my phone. 1 thing that had me worried is that I odexed my system with lucky patcher... does this mean I am going to have to flash my firmware back to stock before I can do this?
Cozume said:
What I don't understand is why you had to root using rockmymoto if your bootloader is unlocked? Why didn't you just flash a custom recovery like TWRP and install SuperSU to root?
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Because I rooted it a month before I unlocked the bootloader.
I still currently have stock recovery though.
Cozume said:
Do you have the 4.2.2 post camera update installed?
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As far as the post camera update, not sure. My camera version is 3.1.41.2.
AGISCI said:
I have read various topics in both of the forums on it. But I wanted to be 100% sure of what path I need to follow to be sure I don't brick my phone. 1 thing that had me worried is that I odexed my system with lucky patcher... does this mean I am going to have to flash my firmware back to stock before I can do this?
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That is certainly the safest way to go from all I have read as any system mods could potentially cause a problem. The problem that another poster here had is that the only firmware that is posted for the Claro Chile is the precamera update. He was looking for the postcamera firmware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2649806
And no one could help him find it. I don't think you can take the OTA if you are on the precamera firmware. Perhaps you can PM the OP in that link and see if he is knowledgeable about Claro chile firmware.
Cozume said:
That is certainly the safest way to go from all I have read as any system mods could potentially cause a problem. The problem that another poster here had is that the only firmware that is posted for the Claro Chile is the precamera update. He was looking for the postcamera firmware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2649806
And no one could help him find it. I don't think you can take the OTA if you are on the precamera firmware. Perhaps you can PM the OP in that link and see if he is knowledgeable about Claro chile firmware.
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How can I tell if I am on the pre cam or post cam? Also is there a link that talks about what teh pre cam and post cam does or changed?
AGISCI said:
How can I tell if I am on the pre cam or post cam? Also is there a link that talks about what teh pre cam and post cam does or changed?
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Go to Settings->About Phone->System Version. What does it say?
139.12.35.ghost_row.AmericaMovil.en.CL
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AGISCI said:
139.12.35.ghost_row.AmericaMovil.en.CL
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From the version numbers here:
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0
As best I can tell 139.12.35 is the post camera update. The problem is that no one has a copy of the stock firmware posted anywhere that anyone can find.
If that's the case flashing this firmware will not brick me then correct?
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You say you rooted the phone a month before you unlocked the bootloader. If this is the case then your phone should have been wiped clean as unlocking the bootloader performs a full wipe of the phone.
So something does not add up/make sense.
Steve-x said:
You say you rooted the phone a month before you unlocked the bootloader. If this is the case then your phone should have been wiped clean as unlocking the bootloader performs a full wipe of the phone.
So something does not add up/make sense.
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I rooted it twice actually. After I unlocked the bootloader it was erased just like you said, and I rooted again using the same method from the first time.
AGISCI said:
If that's the case flashing this firmware will not brick me then correct?
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Which firmware?
This is from dray_jr on the thread in the Moto X General forum:
the only OTA that can downgrade is 4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam
here is what we know right now that might make more sense
4.4 to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick
4.2.2 Post Cam to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick.
4.4.2 to anything will Brick
4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam you are ok
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366&highlight=brick&page=5
You are in quite a unique situation here actually... since there is no stock image that you can go back to. If there was a 4.4 SBF I would have suggested to flash then take the 4.4.2 update. However, it seems as if there was no 4.4 roll out/update for your carrier at all. So this 4.4.2 carrier update would be more than a simple patch from 4.4 to 4.4.2, it would probably end up removing root since you are going from JB to KK.
Your best bet if you want it now is to do the following...
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS OR BRICKING YOUR DEVICE
1) Did you make a backup before you messed with anything in the system? If you didn't, then you have to go through the manual process of making sure that it is as clean as a normal stock image.
2) Do you have the original recovery? If not, find a recovery file for your carrier and flash that.
3) Attempt to flash the OTA in the standard recovery.
But honestly, the safest thing to do is to wait until your 4.4.2 SBF is released, that way you can flash it in RSD Lite, preventing a brick as much as possible.
mastarifla said:
But honestly, the safest thing to do is to wait until your 4.4.2 SBF is released, that way you can flash it in RSD Lite, preventing a brick as much as possible.
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Who releases the sbf? Motorola? Because it looks like the problem is that no one can find the sbf for the 4.2.2 postcamera update for their carrier.
I guess I will have to wait then. I can't afford to brick my phone. I captured the update and pulled it with adb so if anyone needs it I will be able to upload it.
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Cozume said:
Who releases the sbf? Motorola? Because it looks like the problem is that no one can find the sbf for the 4.2.2 postcamera update for their carrier.
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Skrilax_CZ maintains the website where the SBF's are stored. Motorola only releases the Developer Edition images to the public, as far as I know. So I believe that this website hosts either his own custom made zips, or he has someone supplying him with insider Moto images (or he works there?).
Personally I think he has a tool to automate this process once he has the firmware loaded onto the phone (if he doesn't have the images already), basically he is adb copying files from the dev partition of his phone and compiling a MD5 hash for each file, then zipping it all up in a nice package to flash with the insider Moto tool RSD Lite (or using manual flash, if you like to live dangerously )
mastarifla said:
Skrilax_CZ maintains the website where the SBF's are stored, as far as I know, Motorola only releases the Dev edition images to the public. So I believe that this website hosts either his own custom made zips, or he has someone supplying him with insider Moto images (or he works there?).
Personally I think he a tool to automate this process once he has the firmware loaded onto the phone (if he doesn't have the images already), basically he is adb copying files from the dev partition of his phone and compiling a MD5 hash for each file, then zipping it all up in a nice package to flash with the insider Moto tool RSD Lite.
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Thanks! So if you know someone with a stock phone who has never modded or rooted, theoretically you could pull the files from the dev partition of their phone? The trick is getting it into a package that works with RSD Lite?
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mastarifla said:
Motorola only releases the Developer Edition images to the public, as far as I know.
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So those of us with Dev Eds should stick to flashing the factory images we get from Motorola directly?
Cozume said:
Thanks! So if you know someone with a stock phone who has never modded or rooted, theoretically you could pull the files from the dev partition of their phone? The trick is getting it into a package that works with RSD Lite?
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So those of us with Dev Eds should stick to flashing the factory images we get from Motorola directly?
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Theoretically yes, but in practice it is much harder. Every manufacturer stores their particular data in different partitions on the phone. You have to manually look through the bin files (with a hex editor) in order to determine which are the correct ones. This is even more difficult because most of the information is encrypted. So unless you have insider knowledge or want to compare values in a hex editor, I would strongly suggest you stay away from attempting to make your own files, it can lead to very easy bricks.
I have a XT1053 Unlocked GSM phone (T-Mobile), and the SBF T-Mobile firmwares are the only thing I am going to be flashing, don't flash other regions firmware unless you are certain that it works. IE. let everyone else try it and potentially brick their phone before you end up doing the same thing.
Oh and before I forget, hitting the thanks button works too by the way
mastarifla said:
Theoretically yes, but in practice it is much harder. Every manufacturer stores their particular data in different partitions on the phone. You have to manually look through the bin files (with a hex editor) in order to determine which are the correct ones. This is even more difficult because most of the information is encrypted. So unless you have insider knowledge or want to compare values in a hex editor, I would strongly suggest you stay away from attempting to make your own files, it can lead to very easy bricks.
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no, I would never try it; I am just trying to understand what the differences are between the various ways for me to brick my device, lol!
mastarifla said:
I have a XT1053 Unlocked GSM phone (T-Mobile), and the SBF T-Mobile firmwares are the only thing I am going to be flashing, don't flash other regions firmware unless you are certain that it works. IE. let everyone else try it and potentially brick their phone before you end up doing the same thing.
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but if I have a Dev Ed, shouldn't I be flashing the factory images I received from Motorola?
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Oh and before I forget, hitting the thanks button works too by the way
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I know I tried but they limit you to 8 thanks a day and I already used mine up for today! I will come back tomorrow and hit the button, promise. I am very good about that. So good that I use up all my thanks quickly. So odd they do that here, but they do.
Cozume said:
but if I have a Dev Ed, shouldn't I be flashing the factory images I received from Motorola?
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Yes you should, however it is widely known that the T-Mobile version and the Developer Edition have the exact same hardware/firmware (XT1053), actually I think they may have the exact same software build as well, though I am not sure on that one... if they receive the same OTA update that the T-Mobile version receives, that leads me to believe its the same ROM.
4.4.2 is a disaster for me on my verizon DE phone....bluetooth keeps disconnecting, calls are breaking up etc. I would like to downgrade to an earlier release that works. My phone is unlocked and rooted.
What can I safely revert to...and how do I do it without bricking the phone?
ghstudio said:
4.4.2 is a disaster for me on my verizon DE phone....bluetooth keeps disconnecting, calls are breaking up etc. I would like to downgrade to an earlier release that works. My phone is unlocked and rooted.
What can I safely revert to...and how do I do it without bricking the phone?
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I would try a safe boot first. Long press on the power off screen button.
Downgrading is a dangerous affair. Highly NOT recommended.
There are ways, apparently... But most the knowledgeable members will say not to try. Unless its so important and your want outweighs the risk. The worst case scenario being a bricked phone.
Try backing up your data and apps, move the backup to a computer....and try a factory reset. Or flashing the firmware again with mfastboot.
4.4.2 is fine, not sure about your issues...but most are happy with 4.4.2. Your issues are likely app related.
Good luck!
I would recommend downloading the SBF package for your phone and flashing your phone to complete stock and then see how it works if you still want to downgrade after that you'll have to download a 4.4 SPF package and you're not to bypass the bootloader so you wouldn't just installed data system recovery and think that's it but like this previously said if you accidentally hit the OTA to update you could break your phone. sounds like your 4.4.2 install was corrupted. so I would download the 4.4.2 SBF package and do a complete reinstall
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Is this phone different as you can't just flash a 4.4 or 4.3 ROM? Auto downgrade?
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r.storm85 said:
Is this phone different as you can't just flash a 4.4 or 4.3 ROM? Auto downgrade?
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Downgrading from 4.4.2 can lead to a brick. There's supposedly a very careful way to do it....but anything can go wrong. Not worth the risk IMHO.
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Is this phone different as you can't just flash a 4.4 or 4.3 ROM? Auto downgrade?
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Yes in that the bootloader doesn't allow itself to be flashed with an older version, signed or not. Trying to downgrade the bootloader can result in an unusable device.
You can flash the bootloader with a current or newer version but not an older version....locked or unlocked, it doesn't make a difference.
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Yes in that the bootloader doesn't allow itself to be flashed with an older version, signed or not. Trying to downgrade the bootloader can result in an unusable device.
You can flash the bootloader with a current or newer version but not an older version....locked or unlocked, it doesn't make a difference.
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So I'm use to an evo4g and I could flash any ROM once I was rooted with s-off and recovery installed. It wouldn't mess with the boot loader at all. So this phone every ROM comes with a certain boot loader??
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So I'm use to an evo4g and I could flash any ROM once I was rooted with s-off and recovery installed. It wouldn't mess with the boot loader at all. So this phone every ROM comes with a certain boot loader??
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Doesn't matter about ROMs. They have nothing to do with the boot loader. And they don't flash boot loaders. But they made the 4.4.2 boot loader so it can't be downgraded. Why...who knows. But they did. Roms make no difference.
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Doesn't matter about ROMs. They have nothing to do with the boot loader. And they don't flash boot loaders. But they made the 4.4.2 boot loader so it can't be downgraded. Why...who knows. But they did. Roms make no difference.
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Right so he can't flash a ROM with a 4.4 or 4.3 base? Why would you need to downgrade the boot loader if your rooted and unlocked on 4.4.2 already?
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The OP hasn't returned. So I assume he resolved his issues.
I don't know what happens trying to flash an older android version custom ROM actually. An error i would think....or hope anyway. On a nexus you get an error about the boot loader version...I think. But I've never seen it, cause on a nexus you can manually flash any boot loader you want. Older or newer.
I never flashed "ROMs" on my moto x. Just stock with xposed. Custom ROMs have issues, and no moto features.
The x really isn't a "flashing" phone. Definitely nothing like a nexus.
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The OP hasn't returned. So I assume he resolved his issues.
I don't know what happens trying to flash an older android version custom ROM actually. An error i would think....or hope anyway. On a nexus you get an error about the boot loader version...I think. But I've never seen it, cause on a nexus you can manually flash any boot loader you want. Older or newer.
I never flashed "ROMs" on my moto x. Just stock with xposed. Custom ROMs have issues, and no moto features.
The x really isn't a "flashing" phone. Definitely nothing like a nexus.
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Ya I jus remember on my evo I could flash back and forth between a 2.2, 2.3, cm6 whatever was available and it didn't matter. Like instead of taking a ota for 4.4.2 on my nexus 7 from 4.3 I jus found a stock rooted 4.4.2 ROM and flashed it. No need for ota or downgrades. And I have nandroids of 4.3 if I wanted to downgrade. Just trying to get a understanding of the ins and outs if this phone before and if I venture into rooting ya know
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So I'm use to an evo4g and I could flash any ROM once I was rooted with s-off and recovery installed. It wouldn't mess with the boot loader at all. So this phone every ROM comes with a certain boot loader??
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S-off on the htc's is more "unlocked" than unlocking the boot loader on the X. With s-off, security checks, etc are bypassed.
I've posted the "long version" before, and I don't have time to retype it..so... The 4.4.2 update on the X changed the boot loader, gpt.bin and other things. They can not be downgraded. Attempts to do so will either fail, cause you problems, and will either brick the phone or set it up to brick if updating later.
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S-off on the htc's is more "unlocked" than unlocking the boot loader on the X. With s-off, security checks, etc are bypassed.
I've posted the "long version" before, and I don't have time to retype it..so... The 4.4.2 update on the X changed the boot loader, gpt.bin and other things. They can not be downgraded. Attempts to do so will either fail, cause you problems, and will either brick the phone or set it up to brick if updating later.
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Right I understand the boot loader cannot be downgraded. But if you have root and are unlocked with a custom recovery on the x you can't flash any android version ROM you want ?
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r.storm85 said:
Right I understand the boot loader cannot be downgraded. But if you have root and are unlocked with a custom recovery on the x you can't flash any android version ROM you want ?
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Its been said over and over. No offence.
No. You can't downgrade the os after you've got 4.4.2. Once on 4.4.2....always on 4.4.2.
Well, you may be able to if you research on how some say they have. But you can brick. Its always a strong risk. If you are ready to buy a new phone in case things go bad.....then search on the ways people have done it.
But none of the guys "in the know" here would recommend it, or help anyone do it.
Nothing else really to say.
Good luck!
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Right I understand the boot loader cannot be downgraded. But if you have root and are unlocked with a custom recovery on the x you can't flash any android version ROM you want ?
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first off, I'm on vacation with my family, typing this on my stupid iPad whose autocorrect is driving me batty so if my details seem sparse, sorry, I have typed this info with more details before, search.
if you are talking about custom, 3rd party rooms, maybe... As it depends on what parts they flash, and what their base is.
But if you are talking about moto roms, then NO. Do not, unless you don't mind turning your X into a brick or paper weight.
Again stop thinking about htc s-off and what you were able to do as it doesn't apply to moto. Coming from an Incredible and Thunderbolt with s-off, I know how it's hard to forget. And trying to compare the two will cause many questions,
Due to changes in the bootloader and gpt.bin included with 4.4.2 on the X, under certain circumstances when trying to downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.4 or lower, you could either brick your phone, or set it up to brick in the future when you take an upgrade. So it is suggested you just stick with what is on your phone once you get on 4.4.2. If you have an unlocked boot loader you won't need to downgrade to root.
I've read, (not going to dig up the link right now cause I'm on iPad) of some who had 4.4.2 but successfully mfastboot flashed system.img only, and if they went into app drawer -> setting -> security -> they were kicked back out to settings. This is due to system parts relying on the other components. I'm not sure what other problems were found day to day.
Additionally there were/are many reports asking for help because their device won't boot. The common thread.... They had 4.4.2 and downgraded or tried to downgrade.
I'm not going to go into every possible scenario, what might happen, what causes it, what might be safe, etc. the general consensus is once you have 4.4.2 on your X do not try to downgrade!
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The OP hasn't returned. So I assume he resolved his issues.
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The OP has now returned and I have not resolved my issues
The advice here appears to be...don't try it so I will either continue to use the moto-x until hopefully 4.4.3 fixes the bluetooth issues, or I'll use my older galazy nexus until Motorola/Google figures out how to get the moto-x working.
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The OP has now returned and I have not resolved my issues
The advice here appears to be...don't try it so I will either continue to use the moto-x until hopefully 4.4.3 fixes the bluetooth issues, or I'll use my older galazy nexus until Motorola/Google figures out how to get the moto-x working.
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Have you reflashed 4.4.2 stock and had a fresh start? Cause there aren't any/many other reports of this. You may just need a fresh install.
My x has none of those issues anyway on 4.4.2.
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And have you tried another Bluetooth device. It could be the problem too. Just not compatible with the x.
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first off, I'm on vacation with my family, typing this on my stupid iPad whose autocorrect is driving me batty so if my details seem sparse, sorry, I have typed this info with more details before, search.
if you are talking about custom, 3rd party rooms, maybe... As it depends on what parts they flash, and what their base is.
But if you are talking about moto roms, then NO. Do not, unless you don't mind turning your X into a brick or paper weight.
Again stop thinking about htc s-off and what you were able to do as it doesn't apply to moto. Coming from an Incredible and Thunderbolt with s-off, I know how it's hard to forget. And trying to compare the two will cause many questions,
Due to changes in the bootloader and gpt.bin included with 4.4.2 on the X, under certain circumstances when trying to downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.4 or lower, you could either brick your phone, or set it up to brick in the future when you take an upgrade. So it is suggested you just stick with what is on your phone once you get on 4.4.2. If you have an unlocked boot loader you won't need to downgrade to root.
I've read, (not going to dig up the link right now cause I'm on iPad) of some who had 4.4.2 but successfully mfastboot flashed system.img only, and if they went into app drawer -> setting -> security -> they were kicked back out to settings. This is due to system parts relying on the other components. I'm not sure what other problems were found day to day.
Additionally there were/are many reports asking for help because their device won't boot. The common thread.... They had 4.4.2 and downgraded or tried to downgrade.
I'm not going to go into every possible scenario, what might happen, what causes it, what might be safe, etc. the general consensus is once you have 4.4.2 on your X do not try to downgrade!
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OK thanks for the explanation.
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Okay, I have to ask. Has anyone successfully downgraded a 4.4.4 KitKat Moto X (2013) to a previous firmware version?
I have the XT1058 "ghost" if that matters.
Seriously? This has only been covered nearly everyday since 4.4.2 became available. In other words, the answers are out there if you simply open your eyes or search.
No not possible to downgrade from 4.4.4
Yes, but for every one that claim they did.... 10 others have bricked.
And the ones that say they downgraded OK, may be in for a bad surprise next time they take an ota.
So, don't... Unless you are able to replace it if you need to. ?
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Yes, but for every one that claim they did.... 10 others have bricked.
And the ones that say they downgraded OK, may be in for a bad surprise next time they take an ota.
So, don't... Unless you are able to replace it if you need to. ?
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This is the info I wanted. Thanks.
Hi, my phone is xt1056, BL unlocked, I was fully flashed (enabled all the options in the xml file) the ghost_sprint-user-4.4.4-KXA21.12-L1.28-28-release-keys-cid9.xml with rsd to upgrade 4.4.4 once.
Then I fully flashed my xt1056 with the xt1060 rom (VZW_XT1060_4.4.2-KXA20.16-1.25.2_CFC_1FF.xml) in rsd. Now the phone is 4.4.2 and no signal, but it is 4.4.2, I can get my SPC with the app SPCUtility.apk.
After get my SPC, I was fully flashed the xt1056 (ghost_sprint-user-4.4.4-KXA21.12-L1.28-28-release-keys-cid9.xml with rsd to upgrade 4.4.4) again and works well (need to unlock the network again).
It really doesn't help me that you have the Sprint version. The AT&T bootloader can't be unlocked. At least not to my knowledge.
Downgrading with an unlocked bootloader is no different than locked... Extremely dangerous.
And the poster above who downgraded, then upgraded again... I would not take any OTA's going forward. Or you might get an unfortunate surprise.
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It really doesn't help me that you have the Sprint version. The AT&T bootloader can't be unlocked. At least not to my knowledge.
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If you have 4.4.4 on an ATT device, right its bootloader can not be unlocked at this point.
As for flashing, as many have said IT IS NOT SAFE to downgrade, unlocked and locked bootloader included.
There are parts that are included with 4.4.2 and up that prevent downgrading. Because of this, under certain circumstances when trying to downgrade (like from 4.4.2 to 4.4 or lower, or 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower), you could either brick your phone, or set it up to brick in the future when you take an upgrade.
In the case of some who have bricked by downgrading, flashing the latest (4.4.4 currently) SBF via mFastboot commands, with a few extra steps, has been enough to revive the phone. Other times, not.
For as many stories you might see of "its safe" or "I've done it", a future OTA will likely get them. Plus there are many more who have created "I bricked when trying to downgrade, HELP!!" threads.
A few Examples of bricked while downgrading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/xt-1053-to4-4-4-to-4-4-3-prob-wit-t2967182
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/expert-opinion-to-stock-t2944721
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/totally-bricked-t2952064
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/load-os-moto-x-t2942785
(keep looking in the Q&A section, or General section, you'll see lots more of them!)
And why do you think this thread exists? -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-resurrecting-bricked-moto-x-t2629057
I'll quote myself from another thread (in reply to someone that had an Unlocked bootloader)...
KidJoe said:
The moto x is not a nexus device. Unlike gaining S-off on an HTC phone, unlocking the bootloader on a moto x doesn't disable its security checks.
You can't downgrade got.bin and motoboot.img, or their internal components due to the phone's security checks.
People try downgrade by skipping those, BUT too often people brick when attempting this, or taking an OTA update in this state.
When you have mismatched parts on the phone, things don't work (like the issue of going settings-> security kicking you out) and you are at risk for bricking.
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Again, this info applies whether you have an unlocked or locked bootloader.
So it is suggested you just stick with what is on your phone once you get on 4.4.2 or newer.
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If you have 4.4.4 on an ATT device, right its bootloader can not be unlocked at this point.
As for flashing, as many have said IT IS NOT SAFE to downgrade, unlocked and locked bootloader included.
There are parts that are included with 4.4.2 and up that prevent downgrading. Because of this, under certain circumstances when trying to downgrade (like from 4.4.2 to 4.4 or lower, or 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower), you could either brick your phone, or set it up to brick in the future when you take an upgrade.
In the case of some who have bricked by downgrading, flashing the latest (4.4.4 currently) SBF via mFastboot commands, with a few extra steps, has been enough to revive the phone. Other times, not.
For as many stories you might see of "its safe" or "I've done it", a future OTA will likely get them. Plus there are many more who have created "I bricked when trying to downgrade, HELP!!" threads.
A few Examples of bricked while downgrading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/xt-1053-to4-4-4-to-4-4-3-prob-wit-t2967182
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/expert-opinion-to-stock-t2944721
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/totally-bricked-t2952064
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/load-os-moto-x-t2942785
(keep looking in the Q&A section, or General section, you'll see lots more of them!)
And why do you think this thread exists? -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-resurrecting-bricked-moto-x-t2629057
I'll quote myself from another thread (in reply to someone that had an Unlocked bootloader)...
Again, this info applies whether you have an unlocked or locked bootloader.
So it is suggested you just stick with what is on your phone once you get on 4.4.2 or newer.
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Perfect answer. Thank you for the clarity.
Hey guys does anyone have step-by-step guide on how i can root this phone? I am not able to find a guide for XT1053 (T-Mobile) on 4.4.4. Specifically I want to install a 5.0 rom because I'm tired of waiting for the update. Any help will be appreciated;
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Hey guys does anyone have step-by-step guide on how i can root this phone? I am not able to find a guide for XT1053 (T-Mobile) on 4.4.4. Specifically I want to install a 5.0 rom because I'm tired of waiting for the update. Any help will be appreciated;
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/ref-complete-moto-x-guides-information-t2603358
You'll have to unlock the bootloader. No way around it.
Should I be nervous about unlocking the bootloader?
Didn't my Samsung phone come with it already unlocked?
Should you be nervous? Google the pros and cons then decide for yourself.
No phone nor tablet comes with an unlocked bootloader.
I have an XT1053 and just recently unlocked the bootloader through the Motorola site. I waited until now because my original warranty just expired and knew that unlocking the bootloader would void my warranty. I wanted to unlock the bootloader under 4.4.4 because I didn't know if there would be any problems once Lollipop was offered as an update. The unlock process went very smoothly and took only a few minutes. You probably already know that unlocking wipes your phone, so be prepared to reinstall apps and other files. I have not rooted yet because I'll probably wait to do that after the Lollipop OTA comes around. Even then, I may not root because I'm really pretty happy with the phone as it is. For me, unlocking the bootloader was just of way of preserving the future option to root.
stuntman2128 said:
Hey guys does anyone have step-by-step guide on how i can root this phone? I am not able to find a guide for XT1053 (T-Mobile) on 4.4.4. Specifically I want to install a 5.0 rom because I'm tired of waiting for the update. Any help will be appreciated;
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Go to YouTube and search for qbking77 channel on how to unlock bootloader moto 2013.. Step by step tutorial with video
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mac1996 said:
Go to YouTube and search for qbking77 channel on how to unlock bootloader moto 2013.. Step by step tutorial with video
Sent from my XT1053 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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unlocking bootloader isn't a problem. I mainly want to know how i can put a custom recovery (prefer CWM because i've had it on previous phone). That way i can straight up install a custom rom that is already rooted without rooting stock. I just really want 5.0 really tired of 4.4.4
stuntman2128 said:
unlocking bootloader isn't a problem. I mainly want to know how i can put a custom recovery (prefer CWM because i've had it on previous phone). That way i can straight up install a custom rom that is already rooted without rooting stock. I just really want 5.0 really tired of 4.4.4
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Do you have fastboot?
if yes, go to your phone bootloader.
Connect to your computer by USB.
Type the following in cmd. (place your recovery img file in fastboot directory)
fastboot flash recovery (your recovery name).img
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Check the sticky threads. There's only a year and halfs worth of information available to you here and all over the rest of the internet.
stuntman2128 said:
unlocking bootloader isn't a problem. I mainly want to know how i can put a custom recovery (prefer CWM because i've had it on previous phone). That way i can straight up install a custom rom that is already rooted without rooting stock. I just really want 5.0 really tired of 4.4.4
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At any point after unlocking the bootloader... To flash recovery, did you do the following...
Start the phone in Fastboot/Bootloader mode.. then from the PC type...
mfastboot flash recovery YourRecovery.img
mfastboot reboot-bootloader
Follow onscreen directions to use vol down key and highlight recovery, then use vol up to select/enter recovery. Once in recovery you can reboot the phone and proceed with whatever you want.
Failure to reboot-bootloader and entering recovery immediately after flashing recovery (i.e. doing something else first) can result in the recovery not sticking.
4.4.4
a year old post by dray_jr says the following:
4.4 to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick
4.2.2 Post Cam to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick.
4.4.2 to to anything will Brick
4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam you are ok
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can someone explain this to me? I got my phone around august 2014, it came with 4.4.3 and right now I'm on 4.4.4.
If I use the motorola website and follow their bootloader unlock steps am I fine? will I have any brick issues stated from the quote above?
Thread
Nevermind guys, found the perfect thread for 4.4.4 root!
Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
Final question: I don't have to install supersu root if i install CM12 once i get into TWRP recovery am i correct? (since cms come rooted)
Would flashing a JB kernel (and only the kernel) work to root it as described here?: http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/guide-xperia-kitkat-4-4-4-rooting-t3003520
Completely different phone. What works on one does not always apply to another. If it worked on the Moto X, don't you think someone would've tried and documented it s sometime in the last 18 months?
nhizzat said:
Completely different phone. What works on one does not always apply to another. If it worked on the Moto X, don't you think someone would've tried and documented it s sometime in the last 18 months?
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Of course its a different phone, but since the Moto X also came with JB stock, I was just wondering whether the same method would work for the ones who are stuck with 4.4.4 and no root.
And no, I don't think that every method has been tried already. the Razr I JB root with a locked BL for example only happened, cause I asked jcase nicely if he could code an app that uses an exploit. So, many times, without asking nothing will happen...
dagoban said:
Of course its a different phone, but since the Moto X also came with JB stock, I was just wondering whether the same method would work for the ones who are stuck with 4.4.4 and no root.
And no, I don't think that every method has been tried already. the Razr I JB root with a locked BL for example only happened, cause I asked jcase nicely if he could code an app that uses an exploit. So, many times, without asking nothing will happen...
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I don't proclaim to know the ins and outs of all things android, but I do know this.. Just because a phone has android 4.4.4 doesn't mean its the same 4.4.4 with the same exact flaws and vulnerabilities, susceptible to the same exact root processes. Its why an exploit to root one phone, often doesn't work to root another.
In the case of the Moto X with a locked bootloader, JCASE has come out with many processes exploiting vulnerabilities for Android and the Apps on the Moto X to not only root it, but disable its write protection. As new OTA's have patched an exploit, he came out with other ways.
Starting wth 4.4.2, the vulnerability in the bootoader to disable write protection has been patched.
Jcase's Sunshine tool works on the X with 4.4.3 and lower, and only SOME with 4.4.4. It needs temp root first, etc. For whatever reason, we don't have a way to even temp root the 2013 X on 4.4.4 enough to allow Sunshine to do its work. And despite being asked many times, Jcase pretty much said in the Sunshine discussion threads that v3.0 wont have Moto X 4.4.4 support (unless he changed his mind and I missed it). Yet sunshine and its root processes, etc work on other phones (HTC) with 4.4.4.
But back to the thread you link...
On the X, due to its security measures, with a locked bootloader, you can only flash the Moto signed ROM for your phone. Nothing else. Because of this, you can't flash a custom recovery. To flash items, we use mFastboot and RSDLite. They need the img files, or bin files. If we make our own, they wont be signed, so they wont flash to a phone with a locked bootloader. And you can't package them into a flashable ZIP because stock recovery looks for the Moto digital signature (which we don't have and can't fake), and you can't install TWRP/CWM/Philz/etc to flash that way. So if you manage to pull the JB kernel out of the Moto SBF file, you wont be able to flash it.
Due to write protection on the 2013 X, any changes made to /System and a few other places, will be lost at power off/on. In other words, if you do manage to flash it (or push via adb), it wont stick due to write protection.
We've seen people try and manipulate their phone by trying to DOWNGRADE their ROM. Well, this doesn't work either. GPT.BIN (partition table), and Motoboot.img (bootloader, TZ, and a few other things) get in the way. Even on an X with an Unlocked bootloader, you can't downgrade these parts. Enough who attempted this have ended up bricking their phone immediately, or with later taking an OTA. Sure you can try to flash just system.img, and while that has less risk for bricking, people who have tried this were still not able to use the older Root Exploits (that worked if you hadn't upgraded already). People have tried flashing everything but GPT.BIN and MotoBoot.img. Again, it didn't help with rooting. Not to mention with a missmatched system.img or other parts, features on the phone may not always work properly (going Settings -> Security comes to mind), and you are at risk of bricking should you take an OTA update.
Since that process exploits a vulnerability, and its out there (so the vulnerability is in the public), I'm sure if it worked or was possible, JCASE, Beaups, or others would have put something together.
Now, back on topic of the XT1053... it has an Unlockable bootloader. Unlocking the bootloader disables write protection, and allows you to flash non-moto stuff. So unlocking the bootloader, flashing TWRP, reboot bootloader, enter TWRP and root, is quick, easy, effective, and doesn't rely on vulnerabilities on the phone to be exploited so patches/updates haven't got in the way. Plus you don't have to wait for someone to find them and create a repeatable process.