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According to gsam Google service Is the culprit if ny high awake times (see screenshot below). But how can I reduce this problem without defeating the purpose of having a smartphone,and according to the battery graph u don't see Google services listed at all.
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A 21-minute wakelock out of a 12 hour recording session. The sky must be falling.
Unless you shut down any Google app using Google Play Services, no, there's nothing to do. The only reason it comes up as a larger power use is because it's essentially aggregating the power previously used by six or seven different apps. You seriously need to get some perspective on what constitutes "bad" battery life because you just keep posting "my battery suxorz" threads with less and less justification each time.
Hmm. I get pretty crappy battery life, but that battery life doesn't look too good. How much screen time? Your kernel should use about 25% of your battery. If you're on stock, that is.
Try clearing cache for GP services. Try using the phone for a day. See if that works. If not, then clear data.
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Hmm. I get pretty crappy battery life, but that battery life doesn't look too good. How much screen time? Your kernel should use about 25% of your battery. If you're on stock, that is.
Try clearing cache for GP services. Try using the phone for a day. See if that works. If not, then clear data.
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Here is my current stats also I'm completely stock (no root) and my herbal US currently 23%,how much higher(percentage wise) can it get before it will start causing orovkens?
For stock non rooted,that seems about right. That's what I get. Around 13 hours a day with 3 how screen time.
Actually, you are getting much better battery life than I do.
What are your settings? WiFi? LTE? Battery saving apps? Facebook? I can't for the life if me get decent battery life. As I said, the kernel uses up 25% of my battery.
EDIT: Also, I looked at my stats, and it seems that Google services wakes my device a lot too. So yeah, your stats are normal. :good:
Is this normal for me? I left my phone overnight and it goes to deep sleep with barely no screen time but there's major drain. What is the difference between screen on time and awake? Is it some background services running? I checked the wakelocks and nothing seems wrong.
Edit: Looks like something is keeping the kernel awake. Does anyone know what is msm_hsic_host?
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For stock non rooted,that seems about right. That's what I get. Around 13 hours a day with 3 how screen time.
Actually, you are getting much better battery life than I do.
What are your settings? WiFi? LTE? Battery saving apps? Facebook? I can't for the life if me get decent battery life. As I said, the kernel uses up 25% of my battery.
EDIT: Also, I looked at my stats, and it seems that Google services wakes my device a lot too. So yeah, your stats are normal. :good:
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I only use the power saver with cpu,and data connection enabled,auto sync disabled,I'm on wifi when at home,and 3g/lte enabled when im away from home all the time,auto-sync disabled (no need for it). NFC and all location services are on all the time (google's location service along with GPS),brightness set from 0%-20% (depending on lighting conditions). I also use the facebook app with syncing disabled.If you have any other questions or if I missed something feel free to ask.
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I only use the power saver with cpu,and data connection enabled,auto sync disabled,I'm on wifi when at home,and 3g/lte enabled when im away from home all the time,auto-sync disabled (no need for it). NFC and all location services are on all the time (google's location service along with GPS),brightness set from 0%-20% (depending on lighting conditions). I also use the facebook app with syncing disabled.If you have any other questions or if I missed something feel free to ask.
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That's exactly what I do! But I get really crappy signal and I'm on mible data quite a bit. What am I missing out on?
What percent of battery does your kernel use?
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That's exactly what I do! But I get really crappy signal and I'm on mible data quite a bit. What am I missing out on?
What percent of battery does your kernel use?
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it ranges from 20%-25%,once it got up to 28% but I was doing some heavy gaming,but after that it went down to 23% according to gsam's app sucker on the % power used screen. I'm rarely in a low signal area, but when I am i'm not in that area for long enough time for it to really impact my battery.
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A 21-minute wakelock out of a 12 hour recording session. The sky must be falling.
Unless you shut down any Google app using Google Play Services, no, there's nothing to do. The only reason it comes up as a larger power use is because it's essentially aggregating the power previously used by six or seven different apps. You seriously need to get some perspective on what constitutes "bad" battery life because you just keep posting "my battery suxorz" threads with less and less justification each time.
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I'm going to have to agree here. I think people are expecting way to much out of these machines. Especially if your gaming and browsing a lot. Assuming your not crippling your smartphone functions by disabling data and such,This phone is only rated for about 3 or 4 hours screen on time max, especially while gaming. 12 hours of battery is perfectly fine. Especially for the use case of the OP.
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I have been reading the many battery threads where people are posting screenshots and either complaining or raving about their particular Nexus 5’s battery performance. I am shocked that some people are turning off their Wifi, Mobile Data, GPS, Google Now, Sync, and every other feature that makes these phones so useful and still suffering with poor battery performance.
In this thread, instead of complaining or bragging about your battery performance, I thought that this could be used as a place where you all can post how you use your device and what you are doing to save juice and how it works. I’ll go first.
I have had 3 different Nexus 5’s. The first had the speaker/microphone problem and was RMAed. The second was doing great until it overheated and the LEDs at the bottom of the screen exploded. It was RMAed. My current one seems to have a weaker vibrator motor, but I’m going to live with it.
I use my phone instead of my laptop. It seems the only time I use my laptop these days it to flash my phone. I browse the web (Chrome), watch YouTube (YouTube App), read my email (Gmail), shop Amazon (Amazon App), manage my schedule (Calendar App, Pure Calendar Widget), get my news (Flipboard), participate in groups (Google Plus), Chromecast (Netflix, YouTube), participate in these forums (XDA Premium App), and various others. I don’t really play games and don’t tax the CPU to hard.
To save juice, I…
use LUX to manage my screen brightness and usually can function with the screen below 0% unless I’m outside.
use Tasker to turn on/off my wifi, data, gps, sync, and perform a few other tasks, kind-of-like juice defender, but a lot more reliable.
use Better Battery Stats to keep an eye on my apps and de-install apps with bad behavior. I plan on installing Greenify, but have not gotten around to it.
I usually get 12 to 14 hours with 3-4 hours screen time before I plug my phone in at night and have 25%-50% battery left. And, I don't feel I'm depriving myself of any performance.
Some things I have read…
With these new batteries, you never want to let them fully discharge. In fact, keeping them charged is very important, so having a charger at work, or in your car is a good practice.
When your phone gets hot, give it a rest. A hot phone is not working efficiently, and you can damage the battery permanently if it overheats.
It takes a few days for your phone to reach its best performance. When you first get it, it is working in the background to index files and such, which is keeping the phone from reaching deep sleep and is using juice.
After an update, if your phone just doesn’t seem right, it might not be. Do a factory reset and try again. If something didn’t update correctly, there is no telling what could be affected…even your battery performance.
If you have ideas on how to increase battery performance, or discovered apps or settings that drain your battery, please post them here.
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Make sure your apps are configured properly. For example, make sure apps such as Google + are configured to only backup while charging.
In Settings / Locations, set mode to 'Battery Saving' . It passively detects your location which uses no battery. It has been reported that turning off 'location reporting' has no negative effect on Now and Maps. This is a big juice saver.
Kill apps when done using them. Some apps, if left open, will continue draining your juice.
Turn off 'Scanning Always Available' in Wifi /Advanced Settings.
Things I Have Been Experimenting With...
Greenify is a great app for battery optimization. I have apps on my phone that I don't use often, but seem to keep the phone awake. Greenify them and put the app to bed until you need it.
I've been experimenting with Kernels. After much experimentation, I used Franco Kernel on my GN, so I tried his out and have noticed a battery savings on my screen off time. This is a recommendation for rooted phones because the Franco Updater app on the Play Store does all the heavy lifting.
If you find this information helpful, please hit the 'thanks' button.
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My battery life has been fantastic ever since I disabled Google+. It was constantly running in the background all the damn time and just destroying my battery when I wasn't even using it. Ever since I disabled it, I can easily pull down 4-5 hours of screen on time.
That being said, I'm definitely an opportunistic charger. I work from home so it's easy to keep my phone juiced up when I'm not using it. I rarely go below 50%.
Wow. On stock I easily get 5 hours screen on time with everything on, but only 14ish hours total. With light usage (2 1/2 hrs) close to 27 hours. However I've seen guys posting over 3 days so now I'm playing around with kernels (Franco at the moment) and multirom. I'm using ART but not sure how much difference honestly.
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My battery life has been fantastic ever since I disabled Google+. It was constantly running in the background all the damn time and just destroying my battery when I wasn't even using it. Ever since I disabled it, I can easily pull down 4-5 hours of screen on time.
That being said, I'm definitely an opportunistic charger. I work from home so it's easy to keep my phone juiced up when I'm not using it. I rarely go below 50%.
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You can also just greenify Google+ and also check if you have the photo backup with it turned to on. I found my app running for half an hour while phone was off and it was due to the backing up of the photos.
Instead of opening "yet another thread", this could've been posted here, here, here, here, here and probably in many others..
I use Google+ every day all day. The impact it has on battery life is zero. Of course that's my experience. If it's murdering your battery them you don't have something set up properly or as they say "you're doing it wrong"
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Instead of opening "yet another thread", this could've been posted here, here, here, here, here and probably in many others..
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Yea. But mostly you will read people bragging or complaining. There is a lot of good information in those threads, but to find it, you will have to dig. My intention is that this thread will be a place to find, test, and compile solutions for those suffering with poor performance.
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jbdan said:
I use Google+ every day all day. The impact it has on battery life is zero. Of course that's my experience. If it's murdering your battery them you don't have something set up properly or as they say "you're doing it wrong"
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I also use Google + every day with little impact. I checked my settings and I have it set to only back up while on WiFi and only while charging.
I also use Tasked to turn off sync when the screen is off keeping the phone in deep sleep.
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I greenify most apps, keep screen brightness down, GPS Bluetooth always off, data only on when screen on, etc. I got 1 day 15 hours with over 6 hours screen time with my usage. I mostly use my phone for xda, 9gag, some chrome browsing, and a couple other things.
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JamieFL said:
I also use Google + every day with little impact. I checked my settings and I have it set to only back up while on WiFi and only while charging.
I also use Tasked to turn off sync when the screen is off keeping the phone in deep sleep.
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Yup I use that same setting thanks for pointing that out :good:
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IMO, I shouldn't have to do any of this to "save" battery life. It is what it is.
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I use Google+ every day all day. The impact it has on battery life is zero. Of course that's my experience. If it's murdering your battery them you don't have something set up properly or as they say "you're doing it wrong"
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Google+ kills my battery regardless of what my settings are. I literally only used it as an offline photo gallery - there was no syncing being done at all, no auto-awesome, no photo backups or any of that. I don't know how there could possibly be any user error in my setup.
I think literally the only thing that should be done to save battery life is to disable location reporting and to possibly disable autobrightness when indoors. Other than that, nothing needs to be done to get spectacular battery life. All I have is a tasker profile to disable autobrightness when connected to my wifi network and re-enable it when I am not connected, and then location reporting turned off. I get 6 hours screen on time daily.
muyoso said:
I think literally the only thing that should be done to save battery life is to disable location reporting and to possibly disable autobrightness when indoors. Other than that, nothing needs to be done to get spectacular battery life. All I have is a tasker profile to disable autobrightness when connected to my wifi network and re-enable it when I am not connected, and then location reporting turned off. I get 6 hours screen on time daily.
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Location reporting is such a huge battery drain and it doesn't seem to have any real benefits. Google Now works fine without it.
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Location reporting is such a huge battery drain and it doesn't seem to have any real benefits. Google Now works fine without it.
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Yea. I was very surprised that it had absolutely zero impact to turn it off for me. Google Now works perfectly fine. Maps works. Everything works. I guess the only negative is that you are not contributing information into the Google hivemind to help out others with traffic information and crap like that. . . . Otherwise there are no negative effects to turning it off, and doing so squashes the nlp wakelock bug completely.
For me at least, I went from about half a day on full battery to almost a day and a half by turning off LTE and Wi-Fi scanning with constant usage. I was conflicted a bit for choosing either LTE or battery life but I'm happier with choosing battery life.
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I added the suggestion about setting location reporting off. Thanks.
I've heard that if your area has poor LTE signal, that can cause a big battery drain. Can anyone confirm that? If this is true, this could be a big contributor to unexplained battery drain.
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Yea. I was very surprised that it had absolutely zero impact to turn it off for me. Google Now works perfectly fine. Maps works. Everything works. I guess the only negative is that you are not contributing information into the Google hivemind to help out others with traffic information and crap like that. . . . Otherwise there are no negative effects to turning it off, and doing so squashes the nlp wakelock bug completely.
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Were you still able to get traffic notifications? It's weird that it doesn't seem to affect weather updates as well.
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Were you still able to get traffic notifications? It's weird that it doesn't seem to affect weather updates as well.
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Not sure about traffic notifications as I work from home and Google cannot comprehend that and thinks I work at the grocery store, but weather notifications work perfectly. Just traveled for Christmas and it was tracking me perfectly from city to city.
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Not sure about traffic notifications as I work from home and Google cannot comprehend that and thinks I work at the grocery store, but weather notifications work perfectly. Just traveled for Christmas and it was tracking me perfectly from city to city.
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Gotcha. I mean it's not a huge deal. Google often thinks I'm driving to work/class when I'm not actually doing so and it's more useful to check traffic within the Maps app anyway. I'll try the reporting off for a few days though and see how much of a difference it makes.
I'm not sure what's considered high android system but mine is at 29% and looks like it's taking a toll on my battery. When I check the battery usage it's the highest thing listed. How can I lower this or fix this? Any help is greatly appreciated! I love this phone!
same problem here ... android system is at 24% with 59 minutes of CPU usage while screen was about 20% with more than 2 hours of screen on time !?! Why system is killing the cpu so much ? ... TouchWiz !!! *SMH*
Give it a week or so to even out.
This could be any app that is pulling your location. Most pull through your location through google play services, part of the android system. Not defending touchwiz usage but most likely the fault lies elsewhere.
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This could be any app that is pulling your location. Most pull through your location through google play services, part of the android system. Not defending touchwiz usage but most likely the fault lies elsewhere.
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I dont think so my location its off and still takes 29%, maybe a kernel issue. I heard they did the update we just got cause battery draining issues. maybe not fixed 100%
I get the same thing and I made sure to turn off notifications and apps that "push" and set em all to manual. I use the same apps and settings on my S5, and LG G3 and would be able to get around 6 hour screen time and total of 17-20 hours per charge. AND on those devices, the screen is usually the highest % and the android system is not even near that %
Right now I'm getting almost about the same as my S5 battery life, maybe a bit shorter...
Same problem here, about 42% on a normal usage. I did not have this problem before, on stock Rom but since I switched to cynanogenmod, my phone can't make it through the day.
What's more, I'd like to know if any of you know an xposed module or an app which can automatically turn switches on/off when starting/closing an app. Like turning GPS on when starting Google Maps and turning it back off when closing the app, for instance.
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Good queetion, I'd be interested in that as well
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mines also like this
I found this was related to location services and / or google now.
I found these worked for me:
1. Turning GPS location to GPS only (i.e. not using wifi). I believe this stops passive location tracking, which in turns stops the other services always running
2. Turning off location tracking / history. As above, no detailed location, no other fancy things running all the time.
3. Turning off Google Now.
I listed the above in the order I would do it. Using just item one, you still get most of Google Now's functionality.
End of the day, what I found was there was a lot of "smart" stuff going on in the background around your location, and this is what caused most of the CPU time. If you look at your wake locks, you will see it drop off dramatically once you do the above steps.
Some people have reported turning location services back on after a while didn't result in a spike in CPU time.
This isn't a Note 4 thing, more a Android / Google Now thing in my opinion,.
Hope it helps.
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I found this was related to location services and / or google now.
I found these worked for me:
1. Turning GPS location to GPS only (i.e. not using wifi). I believe this stops passive location tracking, which in turns stops the other services always running
2. Turning off location tracking / history. As above, no detailed location, no other fancy things running all the time.
3. Turning off Google Now.
I listed the above in the order I would do it. Using just item one, you still get most of Google Now's functionality.
End of the day, what I found was there was a lot of "smart" stuff going on in the background around your location, and this is what caused most of the CPU time. If you look at your wake locks, you will see it drop off dramatically once you do the above steps.
Some people have reported turning location services back on after a while didn't result in a spike in CPU time.
This isn't a Note 4 thing, more a Android / Google Now thing in my opinion,.
Hope it helps.
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thanks for the advice and suggestions, but my s4 and s5 did not have the "android system" so high in usage. i've tried the turning off gps, then back on, and then restart phone thingy, but same results. i just hope sammy would address this issue as it seem pretty widespread.
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thanks for the advice and suggestions, but my s4 and s5 did not have the "android system" so high in usage. i've tried the turning off gps, then back on, and then restart phone thingy, but same results. i just hope sammy would address this issue as it seem pretty widespread.
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Just to clarify,Ii suggest turning location to GPS only. And leaving it off.
Turn off location reporting and history also. Then see what results you get and go from there
I'm having the same thing ...
I just received a update that is supposed to fix the battery drain issue. We shall see if it works.
railslave said:
I just received a update that is supposed to fix the battery drain issue. We shall see if it works.
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The update that came out this week or a different one.
mrja22 said:
I found this was related to location services and / or google now.
I found these worked for me:
1. Turning GPS location to GPS only (i.e. not using wifi). I believe this stops passive location tracking, which in turns stops the other services always running
2. Turning off location tracking / history. As above, no detailed location, no other fancy things running all the time.
3. Turning off Google Now.
I listed the above in the order I would do it. Using just item one, you still get most of Google Now's functionality.
End of the day, what I found was there was a lot of "smart" stuff going on in the background around your location, and this is what caused most of the CPU time. If you look at your wake locks, you will see it drop off dramatically once you do the above steps.
Some people have reported turning location services back on after a while didn't result in a spike in CPU time.
This isn't a Note 4 thing, more a Android / Google Now thing in my opinion,.
Hope it helps.
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Thanks a lot ...
Location tracking off made a big difference ... Things are already looking good. I will only turn on the GPS when need be.
Mr.37 said:
Thanks a lot ...
Location tracking off made a big difference ... Things are already looking good. I will only turn on the GPS when need be.
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Good to hear.
I found I can have GPS on without any issues, as long as either Google Now or location tracking was off.
Any more info ?
I am having the same issue in tandem with weak battery signal. Do I wait for Lollipop or do I just sell my N4 and get an S6?
So the poor battery life on my Note 4 might have more to do with screen brightness than I would have expected. Unfortunately, most people posting their SOT's aren't doing it in a very scientific way, so it's hard to know what we should expect from these devices.
Here are my battery test results using PCMark for Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.futuremark.pcmark.android.benchmark
In one test, I put the screen brightness to 100% and the results were pretty dismal. In the second test, I ran it at 50% brightness, which is brighter than the Note 2 at full and the results were much better.
I use Auto brightness during the day, which might explain my poor battery life, but I'd love to know what others score on PCMark are (it does run for 5+ hours!). I do keep my background BLACK, as well as using black themes on everything I can - for apps that only have white backgrounds, I use AutomateIt to invert the colors automatically. I would have thought these black backgrounds would do more, but it really comes down to brightness it seems.
I'm using an Exynos N910U model and left wifi connected while doing this test - 3 google accounts are synced on my device.
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So the poor battery life on my Note 4 might have more to do with screen brightness than I would have expected. Unfortunately, most people posting their SOT's aren't doing it in a very scientific way, so it's hard to know what we should expect from these devices.
Here are my battery test results using PCMark for Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.futuremark.pcmark.android.benchmark
In one test, I put the screen brightness to 100% and the results were pretty dismal. In the second test, I ran it at 50% brightness, which is brighter than the Note 2 at full and the results were much better.
I use Auto brightness during the day, which might explain my poor battery life, but I'd love to know what others score on PCMark are (it does run for 5+ hours!). I do keep my background BLACK, as well as using black themes on everything I can - for apps that only have white backgrounds, I use AutomateIt to invert the colors automatically. I would have thought these black backgrounds would do more, but it really comes down to brightness it seems.
I'm using an Exynos N910U model and left wifi connected while doing this test - 3 google accounts are synced on my device.
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thanks for tests im using my exynos version on auto brightness and generally get 6 hours SOT. i saw on alot of people s stats and people who has problems generally has google play services on their battery usage list and it definetly shouldnt be at there... its probably about location reports to google every1 should disable it from location settings it doesnt break anything.
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thanks for tests im using my exynos version on auto brightness and generally get 6 hours SOT. i saw on alot of people s stats and people who has problems generally has google play services on their battery usage list and it definetly shouldnt be at there... its probably about location reports to google every1 should disable it from location settings it doesnt break anything.
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Yes, location can be an issue, but I think that impacts standby time more than SOT. Currently I've done the following to help with location-related issues:
- used lion tamer (soon to be called amplify) to slow down NLP wakelocks.
- set my location settings to powersave mode
- setup AutomateIt to turn on GPS when I'm in Google Maps (I'm usually plugged into the car outlet, so battery isn't a concern while navigating.
- Greenify stuff like Google search, Maps and several others.
I like and use Location Reporting, so disabling it outright isn't an option. My standby usage is very good at usually less than 1% an hour and my wakelocks keep my device awake usually less than 6%, but I'm still working to lower that number.
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Yes, location can be an issue, but I think that impacts standby time more than SOT. Currently I've done the following to help with location-related issues:
- used lion tamer (soon to be called amplify) to slow down NLP wakelocks.
- set my location settings to powersave mode
- setup AutomateIt to turn on GPS when I'm in Google Maps (I'm usually plugged into the car outlet, so battery isn't a concern while navigating.
- Greenify stuff like Google search, Maps and several others.
I like and use Location Reporting, so disabling it outright isn't an option. My standby usage is very good at usually less than 1% an hour and my wakelocks keep my device awake usually less than 6%, but I'm still working to lower that number.
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last night with 10 hours sleep time. with wifi connected sync was activated for 3 mails. i just lost 2% and i didnt do anything special like you did. no greenify no root nothing i couldnt even install wakelock detector cuz its broken on kitkat without root.
. i just disabled some useless stuff like samsung store etc.. everything else is working. and on my car i generally listen music over bluetooth
Lux could help
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last night with 10 hours sleep time. with wifi connected sync was activated for 3 mails. i just lost 2% and i didnt do anything special like you did. no greenify no root nothing i couldnt even install wakelock detector cuz its broken on kitkat without root.
. i just disabled some useless stuff like samsung store etc.. everything else is working. and on my car i generally listen music over bluetooth
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Before I started tweaking, I was getting around 6%-9% drain PER HOUR! Disabling stuff without root only got me so far, then the xposed tweaks and Titanium Backup had to be used.
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Before I started tweaking, I was getting around 6%-9% drain PER HOUR! Disabling stuff without root only got me so far, then the xposed tweaks and Titanium Backup had to be used.
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like i said i dont know whats wrong for some people its probably something you installed(skype maybe) or mostly about location reporting. even last night i left my phone at 90% when i get it this morning after like 10 hours it was on 88% like i said earlier wifi was connected no power saving etc just normal idle time nothing special.
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like i said i dont know whats wrong for some people its probably something you installed(skype maybe) or mostly about location reporting. even last night i left my phone at 90% when i get it this morning after like 10 hours it was on 88% like i said earlier wifi was connected no power saving etc just normal idle time nothing special.
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I was testing without any apps installed (just whatever I used to record battery consumption) and it was crazy high. Then I started adding accounts and apps, tweaking and I got my standby time to be much lower, but SOT leaves much to be desired. I'm going to try using the manual brightness and see if there are any differences - I often find auto brightness to be too bright or too dim! No "sweet spot" found! LOL
Greeny can also help but may need root
I'd suggest changing the settings for your Battery Monitor Widget app. AFAICS it polls every 10 minutes so a wakelock occurs every ten minutes to save the data. Use something like an hour and see what happens. Also would highly recommend BetterBatteryStats, a free version is available here for members.
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I'd suggest changing the settings for your Battery Monitor Widget app. AFAICS it polls every 10 minutes so a wakelock occurs every ten minutes to save the data. Use something like an hour and see what happens. Also would highly recommend BetterBatteryStats, a free version is available here for members.
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I'll try that, although that might only improve wakelocks, not screen on time.
BBS never worked right for me. Always complaining that it couldn't retrieve the stats or falling back on something else.
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I was getting around 6%-9% drain PER HOUR!
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Wait, with the screen off? Then you have something horribly wrong with your device. Mine did a few % over a night. With nothing done to the phone to conserve battery at all. Snapdragon, though. With the update.
I loose only 2% for 7h of standby last night.
We are seeing a trend I think, I noticed that it's mainly us 910U users or exnyos users complaining about battery life. So it must be something in the 910U rom?
I've got a 910F and I get 6 hours screen on time maximum :/
Slai said:
Wait, with the screen off? Then you have something horribly wrong with your device. Mine did a few % over a night. With nothing done to the phone to conserve battery at all. Snapdragon, though. With the update.
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Doesn't happen now that I've rooted and applied my standard tweaks, but I tried a factory reset to see if I could correct the high standby drain and was not successful without these tweaks.
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I have 910f and i got same issues with my batt.
i've tried clean system, root, custom rom. Battery is always draining higher than some people.
As i said in other thread: some people have an issue, some have great battery life. And nobody knows why
Maybe it's the guys who keep it stock and don't root, custom rom and "tweak" that get the good battery life.
Delete it pls.
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Maybe it's the guys who keep it stock and don't root, custom rom and "tweak" that get the good battery life.
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I'm on stock, but without tweaks I can't even go the day on standby. [emoji31]
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Anyone using battery monitoring apps like BBS or GSam, can you share some of your stats here? I'm trying to figure out whether the seemingly massive amount of wakelocks I'm having is normal or not. The biggest problems seem to be coming from the kernel itself. BBS shows a lot of kernel wakelock time, and GSam consistently lists the kernel as the highest drain in its app sucker screen. Also, the Phone app seems to be waking the device a lot since upgrading to .5.51, which wasn't a problem on .3.374.
I've attached some screenshots that illustrate the problem. I'm already using ForceDoze and Greenify, which have been enabled via ADB, and I've restricted background activity and data for the vast majority of my apps. I'm really hoping there's something I can do about this given that it's impossible to use another kernel (LB and none available for this phone anyway). I've software repaired/clean flashed 3 times.
My battery drain is actually not bad at under 4%/hr (combined screen on/off) and about 1%/hour with the screen off overnight. Today I've logged over 4.5 hours SOT in a period of 17 hours and am sitting pretty at 36%. That's better than any phone I've ever used. But I worry that all the wakelocks are using my phone's CPU, raising its temperature, and might contribute to faster battery degradation.
Also, this is with bluetooth off and my Pebble not paired, but battery drain becomes substantially worse with that setup. My idle drain triples with my Pebble connected. I'm trying to troubleshoot one issue at a time and want to nail these wakelocks before moving onto the bluetooth issues.
If your battery stats looked like mine and especially if you figured out how to fix it, please share!
Given that Sony ended .5.51 deployment prematurely and is currently rolling out .8.49, I think you should update to .8.49 (or wait until your region gets the update if you don't have it yet) then recheck if your problem still persists.
Pouring time and resources into a version that Sony is no longer pushing isn't that great of an investment, especially since it's possible that it was fixed in .8.49.
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Given that Sony ended .5.51 deployment prematurely and is currently rolling out .8.49, I think you should update to .8.49 (or wait until your region gets the update if you don't have it yet) then recheck if your problem still persists.
Pouring time and resources into a version that Sony is no longer pushing isn't that great of an investment, especially since it's possible that it was fixed in .8.49.
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Everything except the phone app using more battery was the same on .374. And I fixed that after force stopping the phone app and rebooting. I've been trying to troubleshoot this for weeks but just upgraded to .5.51 a couple of days ago. I will flash it when it comes out for Customized UK, but I don't think .5.51 is the root of the problem.
(Oh cool, Xperifirm actually shows .8.49 available for Customized UK now. Time for some flashing!)
Edit: I'm seeing the same degree of wakelocks so far on .8.49.
Update: The battery drain from "phone" is actually Android System. There's a bug in Oreo where sometimes Android System is showing as Phone/RCS in the battery stats. Doesn't explain why Android System is using so much battery though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7f7jk2/pixel_2_rcs_battery_drain_is_there_any_way_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7edcav/rcsservice_draining_battery/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/rcs-draining-battery.657535/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/rcs-service.666045/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/found-way-to-end-rcs-sucking-battery-after-oreo.659711/
So I managed to get a lot of my battery drain figured out, but a few things are still bothering me.
1) Google Play Services and Android System and/or Phone (see my last post) are using the Significant Motion Sensor to wake my device constantly.
2) Sony's smart charger (com.sonymobile.smartcharger) is waking my device. I'm assuming this has something to do with Battery Care, which I find to be a useful feature. But why does it need to continue sending alarms to wake up our phones when not plugged in?
I've attached 2 screenshots from Better Battery Stats showing the first issue (Sensors/Play Services and Phone) and 1 showing the second (Alarms/Smart Charger). Note the "wakeup=true" and long times recorded for Significant Motion. This held true when I had my phone sitting face-down on a table for 6+ hours to do battery testing earlier.
Anyone else who uses battery monitoring apps: have you noticed any similar issues?
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So I managed to get a lot of my battery drain figured out, but a few things are still bothering me.
1) Google Play Services and Android System and/or Phone (see my last post) are using the Significant Motion Sensor to wake my device constantly.
2) Sony's smart charger (com.sonymobile.smartcharger) is waking my device. I'm assuming this has something to do with Battery Care, which I find to be a useful feature. But why does it need to continue sending alarms to wake up our phones when not plugged in?
I've attached 2 screenshots from Better Battery Stats showing the first issue (Sensors/Play Services and Phone) and 1 showing the second (Alarms/Smart Charger). Note the "wakeup=true" and long times recorded for Significant Motion. This held true when I had my phone sitting face-down on a table for 6+ hours to do battery testing earlier.
Anyone else who uses battery monitoring apps: have you noticed any similar issues?
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I'm with you on RCSService being main culpirt for me. No I don't think it's a bug, it actually does use lots of battery. I listen to 3+ hours of bluetooth music a day and when I saw that RCSService was using more power than my bluetooth, then I thought it was time to experiment. So I uninstalled Carrier Service and RCSService and suddenly my battery life jumped by 20%. There was something in the November update to these services that made them go nuts. Several people have noticed a jump in battery usage, but most people, myself included, thought it was down to the new firmware. Uninstalling these 'features' has made no difference to SMS for me, other than I don't get a read confirmation.
I don't know about smart charger, sorry.
Pretty sure the proximity sensor is always on and that must use some power, but I don't know what that would be called in BBS.
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I'm with you on RCSService being main culpirt for me. No I don't think it's a bug, it actually does use lots of battery. I listen to 3+ hours of bluetooth music a day and when I saw that RCSService was using more power than my bluetooth, then I thought it was time to experiment. So I uninstalled Carrier Service and RCSService and suddenly my battery life jumped by 20%. There was something in the November update to these services that made them go nuts. Several people have noticed a jump in battery usage, but most people, myself included, thought it was down to the new firmware. Uninstalling these 'features' has made no difference to SMS for me, other than I don't get a read confirmation.
I don't know about smart charger, sorry.
Pretty sure the proximity sensor is always on and that must use some power, but I don't know what that would be called in BBS.
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Thanks! I should clarify that when I say it's a bug, I believe something is using a lot of battery, but I don't know that it's necessarily Phone/RCS, because it shows up randomly as either that or just Android System. I think it might be something within Android System but being labeled as Phone or RCS. (Edit: Or the other way around; it could be 100% RCS and sometimes shows up as Android System because the phone is part of that umbrella.) I could be wrong but based my judgment on the links I posted above.
That being said, I disabled Carrier Services on your recommendation in the other thread because my carrier doesn't support VoLTE, VoWiFi, or RCS, I've never seen a "delivered" message, and I don't even use the Google Messages app anyway (I use Texra for SMS and keep Messages disabled). So like you, I don't need these services. And I do think there's been an improvement. Might be time to go through the rest of what you recommended via ADB. The only thing that concerns me about doing that is that I'll have to factory reset if I ever switch carriers and want those services, but I guess that's a small price to pay and an unlikely scenario anyway.
The smart charger thing is just weird. It shouldn't need to constantly check whether I'm charging since it kicks in when you plug in. Yesterday I disabled battery care during the day and re-enabled it at night to charge, and I had the best battery life since I've owned the phone: 4.5 hours of SOT over 18 hours off the charger with 30% remaining. I may have to look at idle drain with battery care disabled. I like the idea of battery care, but if it's draining my battery then it just defeats the purpose.
Regarding sensors, BBS has its own category for proximity sensor; this is a separate sensor for significant motion. Somehow Google Play Services and either Phone/RCS or Android System are using that particular sensor all the time. And not just listening to it, but causing lots of wakeups and doing so while the device is sitting on a table all night. I can only deduce that it's somehow seeing motion when there isn't any.
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Regarding sensors, BBS has its own category for proximity sensor; this is a separate sensor for significant motion. Somehow Google Play Services and either Phone/RCS or Android System are using that particular sensor all the time. And not just listening to it, but causing lots of wakeups and doing so while the device is sitting on a table all night. I can only deduce that it's somehow seeing motion when there isn't any.
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Do you have 'On Body Detection' enabled in smart lock? That would force the phone to affirm if it's moving/stationary regularly and quite often.
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Do you have 'On Body Detection' enabled in smart lock? That would force the phone to affirm if it's moving/stationary regularly and quite often.
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I never enabled that from the start, but just checked in case Google did something, and it's still off.
I also checked my app permissions, and the only ones with access to body sensors are Google Play Services and Tasker. None of my active Tasker profiles require the significant motion sensor. One of them does use the orientation sensor to turn the speakerphone on when it's face-up during a call, but I tried disabling that profile and the stats didn't change.
Maybe I have a messed-up accelerometer...do you know of a way to test that? (Edit: Found it in the Support app - my accelerometer, gyroscope, and proximity sensor are fine)
I think I might head to the Sony Mobile forums with the smart charger issue for that matter. It may be a bug that affects all phones with Qnovo features, or maybe they could at least give me an explanation.
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Might be time to go through the rest of what you recommended via ADB. The only thing that concerns me about doing that is that I'll have to factory reset if I ever switch carriers and want those services, but I guess that's a small price to pay and an unlikely scenario anyway.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just "reinstall" those services via the same adb commands? Where you typed uninstall, just replace with install?
Maybe, but I don't know where I would be installing them from...? Since I don't have a backup of the package. I uninstalled a bunch of stuff via adb before and it didn't return with a dirty reflash. I had to flash userdata. So that's all I'm going by.
I'm not sure of the actual technical mechanics, but I believe uninstalling system apps doesn't actually remove the package from the system image, so you can reinstall them at any time.
I think it's like taking down a sign on a store, the actual store is still there, just all references to it are no longer there, so to the OS it's not listed - "uninstalled".
Hello - was there any solution found for this issue?
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Hi there, what was the final solution to your issue?
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Hi there, what was the final solution to your issue?
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I gave up. I still have a ton of wakelocks. GSAM shows a bunch of them even when my phone is supposedly dozing. My battery life is OK, not nearly as great as I hoped I'd have with this phone, but it gets me through the day so I've just been living with it. I have noticed better battery on the latest firmware (July patch) than June. I also got rid of the RCS stuff, which helped a bit. And finally I traced a lot of my drain to an app I was using called "hide running in background notification" which the last few firmwares can do natively.
(Edit: Sorry for missing your previous post!)
Edit: I was sadly mistaken about better battery on the July patch. The battery is only better if I'm not on wifi. I posted in the wifi drain thread about it just now.