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Guys,i have Retail 1058 Moto X with unlocked Bootloader,TWRP(latest and rooted) and i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Some guys already received the 4.4.2 brazilian update via OTA,and extracted the zip file,but,since im on custom recovery,the OTA doesnt reboot the phone into stock and go straight to TWRP,therefore,doesnt conclude the update,and keep restarting!
Since i need the phone,i did a factory reset via TWRP just to get things going!
But,i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Is there a way to do that?remove TWRP ou something else?
I've seen some people saying that i need to flash the 4.4 img which it is inside the zip but,i dont have that zip anymore!
Thx in advance!
msespindola said:
Guys,i have Retail 1058 Moto X with unlocked Bootloader,TWRP(latest and rooted) and i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Some guys already received the 4.4.2 brazilian update via OTA,and extracted the zip file,but,since im on custom recovery,the OTA doesnt reboot the phone into stock and go straight to TWRP,therefore,doesnt conclude the update,and keep restarting!
Since i need the phone,i did a factory reset via TWRP just to get things going!
But,i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Is there a way to do that?remove TWRP ou something else?
I've seen some people saying that i need to flash the 4.4 img which it is inside the zip but,i dont have that zip anymore!
Thx in advance!
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if you take the 4.4.2 update you will loose root and wont be able to get it back till who knows when.
but you need to flash your phone back to 100% stock just like you did when root your device but instead of using the 4.2.2 CU firmware use the 4.4
here is all the firmware for the Moto X
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0
your device is a Att model so you should be able to flash the ATT 4.4 firmware but im not 100% sure but maybe you will find your carrier listed there.
dray_jr said:
if you take the 4.4.2 update you will loose root and wont be able to get it back till who knows when.
but you need to flash your phone back to 100% stock just like you did when root your device but instead of using the 4.2.2 CU firmware use the 4.4
here is all the firmware for the Moto X
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0
your device is a Att model so you should be able to flash the ATT 4.4 firmware but im not 100% sure but maybe you will find your carrier listed there.
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yeah,i know,aware of loosing root,but,mine is retail,and i've found the brazilian retail one(Blur_Version.143.44.8.ghost_row.Brasil.en.BR)!
How do i revert back to stock?never done that before!
Thx for the help so far buddy
msespindola said:
yeah,i know,aware of loosing root,but,mine is retail,and i've found the brazilian retail one(Blur_Version.143.44.8.ghost_row.Brasil.en.BR)!
How do i revert back to stock?never done that before!
Thx for the help so far buddy
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
there are two ways in this guide i like the manual way. but your choice make sure you read everything because if you do this wrong you can brick.
dray_jr said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
there are two ways in this guide i like the manual way. but your choice make sure you read everything because if you do this wrong you can brick.
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Okay buddy,will take a look when i get home from work!
One questiona buddy managed to get the fastboot img for me,if i just flash the stock recovery img and then try to update will it work?
msespindola said:
Okay buddy,will take a look when i get home from work!
One questiona buddy managed to get the fastboot img for me,if i just flash the stock recovery img and then try to update will it work?
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idk i dont like to doing things half way there have been way to many bricks lately.
If he has an unlocked bootloader, why would he not be able to get root back?
I thought when the bootloader was unlocked you had free reign over the device. Shouldn't he be able to upgrade to 4.4.2 and use SU and TWRP to get root back? I don't get why he wouldn't be able to do that.
Flash 4.4.2
Flash TWRP via mfastboot
Install SU zip via TWRP
Boot
Install SU app
What am I missing?
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
Schaweet said:
If he has an unlocked bootloader, why would he not be able to get root back?
I thought when the bootloader was unlocked you had free reign over the device. Shouldn't he be able to upgrade to 4.4.2 and use SU and TWRP to get root back? I don't get why he wouldn't be able to do that.
Flash 4.4.2
Flash TWRP via mfastboot
Install SU zip via TWRP
Boot
Install SU app
What am I missing?
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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this is why i dont read on my phone i miss crap anyway if you flash 4.4.2 yes you can flash the 4.4 TWRP and then SuperSU with a unlocked bootloader.. sorry for my miss read thanks for the catch
dray_jr said:
idk i dont like to doing things half way there have been way to many bricks lately.
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Schaweet said:
If he has an unlocked bootloader, why would he not be able to get root back?
I thought when the bootloader was unlocked you had free reign over the device. Shouldn't he be able to upgrade to 4.4.2 and use SU and TWRP to get root back? I don't get why he wouldn't be able to do that.
Flash 4.4.2
Flash TWRP via mfastboot
Install SU zip via TWRP
Boot
Install SU app
What am I missing?
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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Thx guys, I'll do this later, thx for the awesome responses
Sent from my XT1058 using xda app-developers app
dray_jr said:
idk i dont like to doing things half way there have been way to many bricks lately.
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Can someone else please chime in on this? I have a Dev Edition VZW Moto X, and when the 4.4.2 update is finally available, I want to know what to do. My phone is unlocked & rooted with TWRP installed. Can I just flash the factory recovery and then take the OTA? Or do I have to revert to 100% stock? If I only flash stock recovery and take the OTA, data won't be wiped, will it? That is the big reason I would like to avoid going back to 100% stock if I can.
NPOA556 said:
Can someone else please chime in on this? I have a Dev Edition VZW Moto X, and when the 4.4.2 update is finally available, I want to know what to do. My phone is unlocked & rooted with TWRP installed. Can I just flash the factory recovery and then take the OTA? Or do I have to revert to 100% stock? If I only flash stock recovery and take the OTA, data won't be wiped, will it? That is the big reason I would like to avoid going back to 100% stock if I can.
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My hope is that someone on here will repackage the OTA for us to sideload. That would be the best case scenario.
If not, I think you just need a stock recovery, but I could be wrong. I've seen someone say you need to flash stock system as well. I have the same questions as you if we don't get a side loadable zip.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
Schaweet said:
My hope is that someone on here will repackage the OTA for us to sideload. That would be the best case scenario.
If not, I think you just need a stock recovery, but I could be wrong. I've seen someone say you need to flash stock system as well. I have the same questions as you if we don't get a side loadable zip.
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It's not the end of the world if I have to wipe data and restore everything from TiBu, but it's still a PITA I would like to avoid if possible. More importantly, I don't want to run into any issues when installed the update. So if there is any question as to whether stock recovery alone is sufficient for the update to install properly, I will probably go back to full stock to be safe. I guess I have some time to let smarter people figure it out, since there is no update for VZW yet.
NPOA556 said:
It's not the end of the world if I have to wipe data and restore everything from TiBu, but it's still a PITA I would like to avoid if possible. More importantly, I don't want to run into any issues when installed the update. So if there is any question as to whether stock recovery alone is sufficient for the update to install properly, I will probably go back to full stock to be safe. I guess I have some time to let smarter people figure it out, since there is no update for VZW yet.
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What I've read is you need to go back to stock recovery and also make sure any /system files are unchanged. For example I renamed my old exchange apk's (in /system/app) when I put in the new ones from the nexus 5 on 4.4.2, so I would need to name those files back.
NPOA556 said:
It's not the end of the world if I have to wipe data and restore everything from TiBu, but it's still a PITA I would like to avoid if possible. More importantly, I don't want to run into any issues when installed the update. So if there is any question as to whether stock recovery alone is sufficient for the update to install properly, I will probably go back to full stock to be safe. I guess I have some time to let smarter people figure it out, since there is no update for VZW yet.
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I'm sure some nice developer will help us along.
What have you done to take you off of stock?
I just have custom recovery and xposed. Xposed shouldn't cause any issues.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
Schaweet said:
I'm sure some nice developer will help us along.
What have you done to take you off of stock?
I just have custom recovery and xposed. Xposed shouldn't cause any issues.
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I guess nothing, other than TWRP, Xposed, and obviously root. I have seen several people say that you have to unroot before installed an OTA, but I don't know if that applies to the Dev X or just the standard version. A lot of people seem to indicate that you have to go back to stock, so I just want to clarify what is really required.
NPOA556 said:
I guess nothing, other than TWRP, Xposed, and obviously root. I have seen several people say that you have to unroot before installed an OTA, but I don't know if that applies to the Dev X or just the standard version. A lot of people seem to indicate that you have to go back to stock, so I just want to clarify what is really required.
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Good questions. I'm not sure. We certainly root differently than a non Dev edition. They might have some files modified that we don't have to modify. Also, I wonder is going to stock recovery will unroot us.
I guess we wait and stay patient.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
Surely there must be a way to flash updates through TWRP?
I want to grab one of these
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0
and flash it through TWRP. Anyone know if this is possible?
Wouldn't mind 4.4.2 right now on my dev ed, to see if my bluetooth problem gets fixed.
Unfortunately you can not take the ota if
1- you have custom recovery
2- root
3- changed any system file
It will bootloop
Clearing data is always required after any ota
The only hope you have is if someone decides to take that factory image and runnit through kitchen to make it a flashable zip. You will also need the updated modem from either 4.4 or 4.4.2 to prevent system settings from fc ing
This goes for any moto, retail and or developer edition
You may also attempt to flash the sbf firmware and remove the delete userdata from the XML but no guarantee that you will not have issues
Hope that helps
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
To take an ota you must be stock. Meaning everything. As long as you haven't flashed an updated bootloader you can just flash system.IMG and recovery.IMG from the sbf your phone is currently on you can take an ota. A successful ota does NOT require a data wipe.
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finalarcadia said:
Surely there must be a way to flash updates through TWRP?
I want to grab one of these
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0
and flash it through TWRP. Anyone know if this is possible?
Wouldn't mind 4.4.2 right now on my dev ed, to see if my bluetooth problem gets fixed.
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You cannot flash any of those through twrp! If you want to flash 4.4.2 you need to fastboot the system.IMG and boot.IMG and you will need to wipe your data. If you choose this route you will not be able to take the ota when its available you'd have to wait for the sbf file to be released and update through house of moto, rsd, or fastboot.
flashallthetime said:
Unfortunately you can not take the ota if
1- you have custom recovery
2- root
3- changed any system file
It will bootloop
Clearing data is always required after any ota
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some questions.. and comments...
I agree with #1. You must have STOCK recovery for an OTA to install properly. And #3, because the OTA generally has a file list with check sums to compare against what is on your device to make sure all required files are there and the correct version/size/etc before it will start to install.
#2 I have a question on as I've not had an issue with this unless the root process makes changes to system files (thus causing a problem for #3). I've lost root taking an OTA, but that is it.
Then again, I have a Dev X with unlocked bootloader, and I don't know enough about RockMyMoto, SlapMyMoto, etc was of rooting the X, except that initially they replaced the recovery partition with an image that when selected/booted allowed write to system, etc. This would cause issue with #1 (no longer have stock recovery on the recovery partition), but not sure what, if any system files get touched or altered from stock.
Finally, you mention clearing data being required... This would wipe you back to factory defaults and remove your apps/data. I don't believe its "required" but rather just suggested as it can make the device run smoother after the update is done.
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msespindola said:
Guys,i have Retail 1058 Moto X with unlocked Bootloader,TWRP(latest and rooted) and i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Some guys already received the 4.4.2 brazilian update via OTA,and extracted the zip file,but,since im on custom recovery,the OTA doesnt reboot the phone into stock and go straight to TWRP,therefore,doesnt conclude the update,and keep restarting!
Since i need the phone,i did a factory reset via TWRP just to get things going!
But,i want to upgrade to 4.4.2!
Is there a way to do that?remove TWRP ou something else?
I've seen some people saying that i need to flash the 4.4 img which it is inside the zip but,i dont have that zip anymore!
Thx in advance!
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Depends on how you rooted.
If you've downloaded the SBF file for the ROM on your device (if you don't have it, see if its available from -> http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0 ), you can unzip it, and fastboot flash the stock recovery from it onto your device, take the OTA, and then later fastboot flash TWRP back on and install SuperSU again to root.
This assumes you did NOT touch any system files the update will check for prior to running/installing. If you did touch system files, edit build prop, removed/renamed any APK's... then fastboot flash recovery and system before taking the OTA
Hello,
I searched for the answer and didn't find it so... I need to upgrade OS on my phone to the latest OTA.
I have a VZW Dev. ed. MotoX, unlocked, rooted, running TWRP. It is stock, aside from the tethering hack.
Given that I managed to unlock, root and install TWRP, I'm sure I could manage it again, if I have to install a stock recovery again (yuck), but I;m hoping there may be an easier way, perhaps one that involves simply clicking a link on my phone or some such similar. I recall with the GNex, these usually popped up shortly after the OTA became available. Is something similar for the MotoX likely to show up, or is our community just too small?
Is there a 1 click upgrade yet? Is there likely to be one, or do I need to roll up my sleeves with this device and revert to stock, apply OTA, then re-install TWRP and root? What a PITA. What's the easiest way?
Thanks!
vespadaddy said:
Hello,
I searched for the answer and didn't find it so... I need to upgrade OS on my phone to the latest OTA.
I have a VZW Dev. ed. MotoX, unlocked, rooted, running TWRP. It is stock, aside from the tethering hack.
Given that I managed to unlock, root and install TWRP, I'm sure I could manage it again, if I have to install a stock recovery again (yuck), but I;m hoping there may be an easier way, perhaps one that involves simply clicking a link on my phone or some such similar. I recall with the GNex, these usually popped up shortly after the OTA became available. Is something similar for the MotoX likely to show up, or is our community just too small?
Is there a 1 click upgrade yet? Is there likely to be one, or do I need to roll up my sleeves with this device and revert to stock, apply OTA, then re-install TWRP and root? What a PITA. What's the easiest way?
Thanks!
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use fastboot to flash stock recovery on your phone, undo the tethering hack, and take the OTA.
Since you have a Dev Edition with unlocked bootloader, Root and Write Protection Disable survive. You can leave stock recovery on there, unless you really need the features of TWRP like backup, etc. Then you just have to do any NEW hacks for tethering (for 4.4.2 its different than 4.4). Or you can use wifi tether for root app instead of hacks.
There was talk about repackaging the OTA to be installed via TWRP or CWM, but I don't recall the thread containing an actual zip, and think they were mostly talking about what needs to be done. Since its easy enough with the Dev Edition to update, its likely not worth the work repacking it, since it wont work for those with LOCKED bootloaders.
vespadaddy said:
Hello,
I searched for the answer and didn't find it so... I need to upgrade OS on my phone to the latest OTA.
I have a VZW Dev. ed. MotoX, unlocked, rooted, running TWRP. It is stock, aside from the tethering hack.
Given that I managed to unlock, root and install TWRP, I'm sure I could manage it again, if I have to install a stock recovery again (yuck), but I;m hoping there may be an easier way, perhaps one that involves simply clicking a link on my phone or some such similar. I recall with the GNex, these usually popped up shortly after the OTA became available. Is something similar for the MotoX likely to show up, or is our community just too small?
Is there a 1 click upgrade yet? Is there likely to be one, or do I need to roll up my sleeves with this device and revert to stock, apply OTA, then re-install TWRP and root? What a PITA. What's the easiest way?
Thanks!
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I pretty much did what was described below and maintained TWRP and root. Note: you must enter TWRP and exit after the update to reinstall SU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50639372&postcount=25
except I chose not to flash the following...
fastboot flash logo logo.bin
fastboot erase customize
fastboot erase clogo
Whether it makes sense or not my goal is to not "upgrade" my bootloader or GPT until absolutely necessary as they can't be downgraded. The risks associated with doing this are hotly debated so understand what you are getting into if you choose to do this to your phone.
Reverted thether hack.
Recovery tool worked for me on moto x dev. flashed stock recovery. Took ota 442. Flashed twrp. kept root and stuff. no need for a computer.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2334554
Title pretty much sums it all. I've an XT1058 with unlocked bootloader running stock rooted Kitkat 4.4. I want to update to stock 4.4.2 to try and use the new screen mirroring feature with my Chromecast (AFAIK, I need to be at least on 4.4.1, right?). Is there a way not to lose the unlocked bootloader and/or the root when I flash the update?
Similar question: Do I have to go back to stock (i.e., unrooted, locked) before I flash 4.4.2, or can I flash it over my current stock ROM?
Thank you all in advance.
Deivid85 said:
Title pretty much sums it all. I've an XT1058 with unlocked bootloader running stock rooted Kitkat 4.4. I want to update to stock 4.4.2 to try and use the new screen mirroring feature with my Chromecast (AFAIK, I need to be at least on 4.4.1, right?). Is there a way not to lose the unlocked bootloader and/or the root when I flash the update?
Similar question: Do I have to go back to stock (i.e., unrooted, locked) before I flash 4.4.2, or can I flash it over my current stock ROM?
Thank you all in advance.
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If you have unlocked the bootloader, there is no fear of "losing" it. Bootloader unlocking is permanent, so even if root is lost, you can simply re-flash TWRP and re-root. Disclaimer: I'm sure you do know the difference between unlocking the bootloader (permanent), and using one of the write-protect-disable exploits (like MotoWpNoMo - which is NOT permanent and would be lost if upgraded to 4.4.2), but I wanted to point this out just in case. If you are indeed bootloader-unlocked, you will have a "WARNING BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED" screen appear upon boot. Again, I apologize if this is redundant...
If you want to take the OTA to 4.4.2, you would need to flash back stock recovery, un-do any mods you have made to /system, and disable Xposed (if installed). This could be complicated if you aren't sure what mods you may or may not have made...
There is no 4.4.1 for the Moto X - we skipped straight from 4.4 to 4.4.2. I'm not sure which version was the first to support Chromecast, however.
It would be easiest to "go back to stock" rather than trying to figure out how to un-do any modifications you may or may not have made. Additionally, it is preferable to flash the entire stock 4.4.2 SBF (which will erase ALL of your data - backup anything you need first), rather than trying to retain the userdata and just flash /system. Issues can arise if you try to retain your userdata.
My advice (for what its worth) is to follow the instructions in the Return to Stock thread to flash the ENTIRE STOCK 4.4.2 SBF for YOUR carrier. This will return you to 100% stock with no root. You WILL retain your unlocked bootloader so afterwards, you can simply flash TWRP, and re-root your phone.
By going this route, you minimize any potential problems that might arise by trying to take the OTA, or by flashing the SBF without erasing userdata.
If you have any questions or need clarification, let me know.
Good Luck
samwathegreat said:
If you have unlocked the bootloader, there is no fear of "losing" it. Bootloader unlocking is permanent, so even if root is lost, you can simply re-flash TWRP and re-root. Disclaimer: I'm sure you do know the difference between unlocking the bootloader (permanent), and using one of the write-protect-disable exploits (like MotoWpNoMo - which is NOT permanent and would be lost if upgraded to 4.4.2), but I wanted to point this out just in case. If you are indeed bootloader-unlocked, you will have a "WARNING BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED" screen appear upon boot. Again, I apologize if this is redundant...
If you want to take the OTA to 4.4.2, you would need to flash back stock recovery, un-do any mods you have made to /system, and disable Xposed (if installed). This could be complicated if you aren't sure what mods you may or may not have made...
There is no 4.4.1 for the Moto X - we skipped straight from 4.4 to 4.4.2. I'm not sure which version was the first to support Chromecast, however.
It would be easiest to "go back to stock" rather than trying to figure out how to un-do any modifications you may or may not have made. Additionally, it is preferable to flash the entire stock 4.4.2 SBF (which will erase ALL of your data - backup anything you need first), rather than trying to retain the userdata and just flash /system. Issues can arise if you try to retain your userdata.
My advice (for what its worth) is to follow the instructions in the Return to Stock thread to flash the ENTIRE STOCK 4.4.2 SBF for YOUR carrier. This will return you to 100% stock with no root. You WILL retain your unlocked bootloader so afterwards, you can simply flash TWRP, and re-root your phone.
By going this route, you minimize any potential problems that might arise by trying to take the OTA, or by flashing the SBF without erasing userdata.
If you have any questions or need clarification, let me know.
Good Luck
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Thank you very much for the thorough and detalied reply! I'll follow your advice and report back.
Also, as a follow up question (actually, more like checking I got your reply right): Given that I do have the bootloader permanently unlocked, all I need to root 4.4.2 is flashing back TWRP and hit the root option? (I know you said exactly that, but I got lost after reading al the PIE tethered root threads, so just wanted to make sure that is for locked bootloaders, and not my case).
Thanks again!
Deivid85 said:
Thank you very much for the thorough and detalied reply! I'll follow your advice and report back.
Also, as a follow up question (actually, more like checking I got your reply right): Given that I do have the bootloader permanently unlocked, all I need to root 4.4.2 is flashing back TWRP and hit the root option? (I know you said exactly that, but I got lost after reading al the PIE tethered root threads, so just wanted to make sure that is for locked bootloaders, and not my case).
Thanks again!
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You are correct. Nothing in the PIE thread is relevant to us with unlocked bootloaders.
Worked like a charm!
I actually in the same situations as the OP, EXCEPT my bootloader is locked and I used a couple of jcase's methods to get my root, so no TWRP. Would the same instructions still apply? What would be the best way to backup things?
NameLessThugZero said:
I actually in the same situations as the OP, EXCEPT my bootloader is locked and I used a couple of jcase's methods to get my root, so no TWRP. Would the same instructions still apply? What would be the best way to backup things?
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Actually, nothing about your situation is similar to the OPs since you don't have unlocked bootloader....or do you mean the situation is similar in that you want to be able to use chromecast?
Regardless, nothing in this thread is relevant to you. The 4.4.2 bootloader is impervious to any known write-protect-disable exploits, so if you DO update to 4.4.2 you will PERMANENTLY lose write-protect. The only option once on 4.4.2+ is to use tethered root such as PIE, which does not disable write protect, does not allow writing to /system, and any and all changes are lost upon reboot. You must then re-connect to PC, and re-run the exploit to gain root again.....not very pretty....
The ONLY option for you (besides bootloader unlock) if you want to retain write-protect-disable and persistent Root, is to follow the advice in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/upgrade-4-4-root-t2822191
And heed the warnings!!! One simple / innocent mistake will result in either a brick, or PERMANENT loss of write-protect-disable. Take extreme caution.
Good Luck
samwathegreat said:
Actually, nothing about your situation is similar to the OPs since you don't have unlocked bootloader....or do you mean the situation is similar in that you want to be able to use chromecast?
Regardless, nothing in this thread is relevant to you. The 4.4.2 bootloader is impervious to any known write-protect-disable exploits, so if you DO update to 4.4.2 you will PERMANENTLY lose write-protect. The only option once on 4.4.2+ is to use tethered root such as PIE, which does not disable write protect, does not allow writing to /system, and any and all changes are lost upon reboot. You must then re-connect to PC, and re-run the exploit to gain root again.....not very pretty....
The ONLY option for you (besides bootloader unlock) if you want to retain write-protect-disable and persistent Root, is to follow the advice in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/upgrade-4-4-root-t2822191
And heed the warnings!!! One simple / innocent mistake will result in either a brick, or PERMANENT loss of write-protect-disable. Take extreme caution.
Good Luck
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I guess I was trying to be too concise, sorry. I know I dont want to go the safestrap route because of time and complexity, nor do I want to do anything with chromecast(which I forgot was mentioned, my bad). I did however plan to use PIE as soon as I heard about it. The route I was simply going to take was just to flash stock 4.4.2 SBF, then apply PIE( which I know isnt permanent after a hard reboot) since I knew that would be to safest way to get root without screwing up stuff. That said, cant this method work just as well? And sure I have to worry about getting SuperUser Xposed up and running again, which I believe has been posted about already, in the comments. But i think that would be all unless Im missing something else.
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I guess I was trying to be too concise, sorry. I know I dont want to go the safestrap route because of time and complexity, nor do I want to do anything with chromecast(which I forgot was mentioned, my bad). I did however plan to use PIE as soon as I heard about it. The route I was simply going to take was just to flash stock 4.4.2 SBF, then apply PIE( which I know isnt permanent after a hard reboot) since I knew that would be to safest way to get root without screwing up stuff. That said, cant this method work just as well? And sure I have to worry about getting SuperUser Xposed up and running again, which I believe has been posted about already, in the comments. But i think that would be all unless Im missing something else.
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Sure! If you don't mind losing write-protect-disable forever, and having to re-root each time you reboot, go for it! I highly suggest you follow the instructions in the "Return to Stock" thread (in general sub-forum) to flash the entire 4.4.2 SBF for YOUR carrier. This will give you bone-stock 4.4.2, and will erase everything. Back up anything important first. Then you can follow the instructions in the PIE thread.
The suggested method is highlighted in red in your post above. You CANNOT use the method listed in THIS thread, because you cannot flash custom recovery unless you have unlocked bootloader.
I -think- PIE will work with Titanium Backup (confirm that first), so you can probably back-up anything that you can't just re-install from the play store and restore it afterwards. Copy everything you want to keep from the internal storage (pictures, etc.), because they will be erased as well.
That's pretty much it. I don't think you've missed anything, but keep in mind that bootloader unlock (and the 4.4 exploits) are both far superior to PIE as far as usability and persistence. You'll have to try and reboot as seldom as possible.
Good Luck!!! :good:
EDIT: Keep in mind also that once you update to 4.4.4, PIE will NOT WORK, and you will LOSE ROOT FOREVER (unless another exploit is released, which is unlikely at best).
samwathegreat said:
Sure! If you don't mind losing write-protect-disable forever, and having to re-root each time you reboot, go for it! I highly suggest you follow the instructions in the "Return to Stock" thread (in general sub-forum) to flash the entire 4.4.2 SBF for YOUR carrier. This will give you bone-stock 4.4.2, and will erase everything. Back up anything important first. Then you can follow the instructions in the PIE thread.
The suggested method is highlighted in red in your post above. You CANNOT use the method listed in THIS thread, because you cannot flash custom recovery unless you have unlocked bootloader.
I -think- PIE will work with Titanium Backup (confirm that first), so you can probably back-up anything that you can't just re-install from the play store and restore it afterwards. Copy everything you want to keep from the internal storage (pictures, etc.), because they will be erased as well.
That's pretty much it. I don't think you've missed anything, but keep in mind that bootloader unlock (and the 4.4 exploits) are both far superior to PIE as far as usability and persistence. You'll have to try and reboot as seldom as possible.
Good Luck!!! :good:
EDIT: Keep in mind also that once you update to 4.4.4, PIE will NOT WORK, and you will LOSE ROOT FOREVER (unless another exploit is released, which is unlikely at best).
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Sweet, thanks for your help. Ill check on the TB thing. Ill update if I need any other help.
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I guess I was trying to be too concise, sorry. I know I dont want to go the safestrap route because of time and complexity, nor do I want to do anything with chromecast(which I forgot was mentioned, my bad). I did however plan to use PIE as soon as I heard about it. The route I was simply going to take was just to flash stock 4.4.2 SBF, then apply PIE( which I know isnt permanent after a hard reboot) since I knew that would be to safest way to get root without screwing up stuff. That said, cant this method work just as well? And sure I have to worry about getting SuperUser Xposed up and running again, which I believe has been posted about already, in the comments. But i think that would be all unless Im missing something else.
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Keep in mind, that PIE itself isn't as good of root as using SlapMyMoto & MotoWpNoMo together.
On the X there are two parts needed for effective Root. 1. Root Exploit, and 2. Write Protection Dis-abler.
PIE is a root Exploit. It exploits a vulnerability to grant root access. It does not address Write Protection.
Write Protection on the X prevents proper access to /system or the like. Some apps wont be able to create new files in the protected folders, and any changes made to existing files (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on. This is also why PIE root is lost at power off/on.
In the past (4.4 and below days) SlapMyMoto was the Root Exploit, and MotoWpNoMo was the write protection dis-abler. Once thought to be permanent, the exploit used by MotoWpNoMo was plugged in 4.4.2 making it not work. Write protection becomes re-enabled, and there is no new exploit to disable it.
Why do I mention this? In reading the various threads, especially the Pie thread, there appear to be special instructions to install XPosed when write protection is enabled that you'll need to keep in mind, as well as info on how to re-root and get Xposed working again if you do power off/on. Because write protection is enabled, there are some apps and hacks that may not work. Some of the Tethering tricks for example.
Unlocking the bootloader gets around this. Once you unlock the bootloader, you can always install a custom recovery (like TWRP) and root from there. In the process, write protection becomes disabled. There is no need to wait on a vulnerability in the code to be exploited to gain root and disable write protection.
I've searched and found variations on these questions in other posts, but I didn't come across any pertaining quite to my situation, so I wanted advice before I do something wrong and brick my phone.
I have a Sprint Moto X, unlocked & rooted, running 4.2.2 (I think pre-camera update). I'd like to upgrade to stock Sprint Lollipop (when it comes out) & stay unlocked & rooted.
My understanding of the steps that need to be taken:
1. Unroot my device
2. Re-lock my device
3. Flash TWRP and boot to recovery
4. Flash stock Sprint Lollipop
5. Unlock, then re-root device
Is any of this extraneous, or am I leaving anything out? Do I need to upgrade to KitKat before going to Lollipop?
I also have Xposed installed and I have tweaked the PRL on my device ... this shouldn't complicate the upgrade, right?
Relocking is useless, and unless you know what you're doing, flashing stock updates in custom recovery shouldn't be done. You don't necessarily need to unroot either, just make sure all stock system files are still in place.
Sent from my Moto X
imnuts said:
Relocking is useless, and unless you know what you're doing, flashing stock updates in custom recovery shouldn't be done. You don't necessarily need to unroot either, just make sure all stock system files are still in place.
Sent from my Moto X
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i have a sprint X and if i am going to update this is how i have allways done it with no issues at all.
you can leave your bootloader unlocked that is no a issue. but i always take OTA's and you cant take a OTA with a modded system. so i allways just flash my stock firmware package. that way it removes my custom recovery. Root, and all Xposed changes. Then i take the OTA and just reinstall TWRP, then SuperSU then what ever else you want.
this is the safest way i have found to update, the nice thing about Unlocked Sprint phones is we can easily Root are phones via TWRP and SuperSu.
just my .02 you can do it how ever you like but this is how i am going to do it when the OTA finally comes out if it ever does.
I have a Verizon Nexus 6 that is rooted, unlocked, custom TWRP recovery and stock running 5.1 build LMY47E and I am getting the OTA notification for the 5.1.1 update. I have searched a good deal of places and haven't found the answer to how I might go about getting the update. I have been out of the rooting game for several years, so I am rusty and need a little help. I wasn't sure if there was a way to take the update and stay rooted or if I have to completely undo everything back to stock. Any info would be a great help and appreciated.
I could be mistaken, but I don't think that you can take an OTA amd remain rooted. I think it will break root, and you will have to re-root.
What I would suggest is to just flash a custom ROM that is build on 5.1.1 like Beans' PureNexus. That is what I am running, and it is great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-pure-nexus-project-t3148214
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I have a Verizon Nexus 6 that is rooted, unlocked, custom TWRP recovery and stock running 5.1 build LMY47E and I am getting the OTA notification for the 5.1.1 update. I have searched a good deal of places and haven't found the answer to how I might go about getting the update. I have been out of the rooting game for several years, so I am rusty and need a little help. I wasn't sure if there was a way to take the update and stay rooted or if I have to completely undo everything back to stock. Any info would be a great help and appreciated.
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I could be mistaken, but I don't think that you can take an OTA amd remain rooted. I think it will break root, and you will have to re-root.
What I would suggest is to just flash a custom ROM that is build on 5.1.1 like Beans' PureNexus. That is what I am running, and it is great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-pure-nexus-project-t3148214
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When installing a recovery, the updater script looks at system and boot. This means that you can not be rooted and and have the stock, encrypted kernel. You also need to have stock recovery to install the OTA.
You can download the 5.1.1 factory image from Google and flash the boot.img, system.img, bootloader.img, and radio.img. Then, while still in bootloader, select "recovery" and you will boot to TWRP where you can flash the SuperSU.zip.
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I could be mistaken, but I don't think that you can take an OTA amd remain rooted. I think it will break root, and you will have to re-root.
What I would suggest is to just flash a custom ROM that is build on 5.1.1 like Beans' PureNexus. That is what I am running, and it is great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-pure-nexus-project-t3148214
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The OTA will not install when the device is rooted
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When installing a recovery, the updater script looks at system and boot. This means that you can not be rooted and and have the stock, encrypted kernel. You also need to have stock recovery to install the OTA.
You can download the 5.1.1 factory image from Google and flash the boot.img, system.img, bootloader.img, and radio.img. Then, while still in bootloader, select "recovery" and you will boot to TWRP where you can flash the SuperSU.zip.
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Just checked again and yes I am rooted, with TWRP and I also checked and the device is not encrypted, so maybe that is why I am getting the notification. I really appreciate your input on getting the update installed.
evolefty said:
Just checked again and yes I am rooted, with TWRP and I also checked and the device is not encrypted, so maybe that is why I am getting the notification. I really appreciate your input on getting the update installed.
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You'll get the notification. You just can't flash it.
I'm not sure there's been a full, satisfactory answer to this thread (or a few others). Would using something like Nexus Root Toolkit to 1) unroot 2) restore stock recovery, 3) accept the OTA. Will this work?
- Does this relock the bootloader? (Would we then have to unlock, thus wiping the device?)
- Can we successfully re-root and flash recovery? (Or will new 5.1.1 versions be needed?)
At some point, to get 5.1.1 going, should I just backup and flash the whole bloody image from Google?
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I'm not sure there's been a full, satisfactory answer to this thread (or a few others). Would using something like Nexus Root Toolkit to 1) unroot 2) restore stock recovery, 3) accept the OTA. Will this work?
- Does this relock the bootloader? (Would we then have to unlock, thus wiping the device?)
- Can we successfully re-root and flash recovery? (Or will new 5.1.1 versions be needed?)
At some point, to get 5.1.1 going, should I just backup and flash the whole bloody image from Google?
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- OTA`s will not install if the sytem, boot and recovery are modified in any way.
- Reflashing the stock image will NOT lock the bootloader
- And yes you can flash a custom recovery and reroot after updating.
Or flash the latest stock rom with TWRP from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/fxz-nexus-6-recovery-flashable-fastboot-t3066052.
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- OTA`s will not install if the sytem, boot and recovery are modified in any way.
- Reflashing the stock image will NOT lock the bootloader
- And yes you can flash a custom recovery and reroot after updating.
Or flash the latest stock rom with TWRP from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/fxz-nexus-6-recovery-flashable-fastboot-t3066052.
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So the question that started this thread: My system is technically modified. Can I unroot and replace recovery, and now be in a sufficiently "unmodified" state? OR, do I have to lock the bootloader in order for the OTA to continue?
I think the OP and myself are trying to do the same thing: We're lazy, we don't want to wipe, we don't want to lose data, we just want the OTA without having to reflash the whole thing. Does anyone know if this is possible?
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So the question that started this thread: My system is technically modified. Can I unroot and replace recovery, and now be in a sufficiently "unmodified" state? OR, do I have to lock the bootloader in order for the OTA to continue?
I think the OP and myself are trying to do the same thing: We're lazy, we don't want to wipe, we don't want to lose data, we just want the OTA without having to reflash the whole thing. Does anyone know if this is possible?
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Best/easiest is to:
- fastboot erase system
- fastboot flash system system.img
- flash the stock boot and recovery.img if needed
- adb sideload the OTA in stock recovery
This will not wipe your device
And you don`t have to lock the bootloader ever unless you have too RMA it or send it in for service, OTA`s will even install with a unlocked bootloader.
DogzOfWar said:
So the question that started this thread: My system is technically modified. Can I unroot and replace recovery, and now be in a sufficiently "unmodified" state? OR, do I have to lock the bootloader in order for the OTA to continue?
I think the OP and myself are trying to do the same thing: We're lazy, we don't want to wipe, we don't want to lose data, we just want the OTA without having to reflash the whole thing. Does anyone know if this is possible?
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Supplementing that: using the "unroot" function in SuperSU is not sufficient with Lollipop. It still leaves the vestiges of a few modified files that will cause an OTA to fail.
gee2012 said:
Best/easiest is to:
- fastboot erase system
- fastboot flash system system.img
- flash the stock boot and recovery.img if needed
- adb sideload the OTA in stock recovery
This will not wipe your device
And you don`t have to lock the bootloader ever unless you have too RMA it or send it in for service, OTA`s will even install with a unlocked bootloader.
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gee2012 said:
Best/easiest is to:
- fastboot erase system
- fastboot flash system system.img
- flash the stock boot and recovery.img if needed
- adb sideload the OTA in stock recovery
This will not wipe your device
And you don`t have to lock the bootloader ever unless you have too RMA it or send it in for service, OTA`s will even install with a unlocked bootloader.
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Thanks for the info and I really appreciate your input. What are your feelings on using Wug's toolkit to unroot and go back stock, take the update, then re-root and flash the custom recovery. I have never used a toolkit before, but that seems to be the popular method. Like I said at the beginning I am new to all of this, the last device I rooted and really messed around with was the droid x so bear with me as I am learning. I am currently reading about Wug's and will look at the method you just spoke of, but any info would be great.
evolefty said:
Thanks for the info and I really appreciate your input. What are your feelings on using Wug's toolkit to unroot and go back stock, take the update, then re-root and flash the custom recovery. I have never used a toolkit before, but that seems to be the popular method. Like I said at the beginning I am new to all of this, the last device I rooted and really messed around with was the droid x so bear with me as I am learning. I am currently reading about Wug's and will look at the method you just spoke of, but any info would be great.
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I don`t like Toolkits tbh because like with all automated applications the unexperienced user has no idea whats going/has zero control over whats happening and if something goes wrong they can`t fix the issue. Imo its best to learn adb/fastboot/sideload.
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I don`t like Toolkits tbh because like with all automated applications the unexperienced user has no idea whats going/has zero control over whats happening and if something goes wrong they can`t fix the issue. Imo its best to learn adb/fastboot/sideload.
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Gotcha, and completely understand. I will do some reading on that method and again thanks for your help.
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Gotcha, and completely understand. I will do some reading on that method and again thanks for your help.
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Read the sticky threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-sticky-roll-thread-t3061066, this is a good start. Adb and fastboot isn`t that hard but its very safe and effective
gee2012 said:
Read the sticky threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-sticky-roll-thread-t3061066, this is a good start. Adb and fastboot isn`t that hard but its very safe and effective
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Will do, and that is the method I used to root for the simple fact to learn.
evolefty said:
Will do, and that is the method I used to root for the simple fact to learn.
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Good luck
gee2012 said:
- OTA`s will not install if the sytem, boot and recovery are modified in any way.
- Reflashing the stock image will NOT lock the bootloader
- And yes you can flash a custom recovery and reroot after updating.
Or flash the latest stock rom with TWRP from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/fxz-nexus-6-recovery-flashable-fastboot-t3066052.
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In that link you sent I am not seeing the VZW version of 5.1.1. Can we use the "International" version?
Thank you.
needoZ said:
In that link you sent I am not seeing the VZW version of 5.1.1. Can we use the "International" version?
Thank you.
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Yes, use the LMY47Z build.
DogzOfWar said:
So the question that started this thread: My system is technically modified. Can I unroot and replace recovery, and now be in a sufficiently "unmodified" state? OR, do I have to lock the bootloader in order for the OTA to continue?
I think the OP and myself are trying to do the same thing: We're lazy, we don't want to wipe, we don't want to lose data, we just want the OTA without having to reflash the whole thing. Does anyone know if this is possible?
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Bootloader does not have to be locked to take an OTA. You can not be rooted or modified in any way however.
gee2012 said:
I don`t like Toolkits tbh because like with all automated applications the unexperienced user has no idea whats going/has zero control over whats happening and if something goes wrong they can`t fix the issue. Imo its best to learn adb/fastboot/sideload.
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While I agree, once you have "paid your dues" and flashed without automation then the NRT is a great tool, so long as you have an understanding of what it is doing.