Hey Guys. Love the forums. Searched but still not really sure about this. Couldn't really find much information for the XT1050.
About two weeks ago I purchased a Moto X from my carrier. They are a very small carrier. The firmware on my phone is android 4.2.2. It's the ghost_row.lra version. I would like to update to 4.4.2 (or to the most current version of android possible) but I can't find the update for my phone. I called Motorola and they told me that all updates have been released for ALL phones and that it's up to my carrier to release. With my carrier being so small, I have never seen them release a software update for any phone (except the iphone which apple updates). After searching I couldn't find any 4.4.2 firmware for the xt1050. Almost every setting in my phone references Verizon, so I was wondering if I could just possibly flash my phone with a Verizon rom? My biggest hold up is that I kind of thought the Verizon Moto X was the XT1060, does that make a difference? With my phone being pretty generic does this mean that my bootloader is unlocked and if so would flashing it lock me to a Verizon rom?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just not really sure what the best/safest thing to do is because I would really like to keep my phone up to date.
I personally am thinking its not a good idea. From what I am reading your carrier, Thumb Cellular, did partner with Verizon Wireless for the rural LTE project. That might be why you are seeing verizon wireless in certain parts of your phone.
It might work...might not. I dont think it will though. Have you reached out to Thumb to see when they plan to update to 4.4?
scoobaspeaz said:
I personally am thinking its not a good idea. From what I am reading your carrier, Thumb Cellular, did partner with Verizon Wireless for the rural LTE project. That might be why you are seeing verizon wireless in certain parts of your phone.
It might work...might not. I dont think it will though. Have you reached out to Thumb to see when they plan to update to 4.4?
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Would there be any custom rom that I might be able to flash? I haven't found any specifically for the xt1050. I haven't contacted my carrier yet. VERY SMALL company. I may have to ask them but 90% of the time I have to go to my carrier for troubleshooting they never have any idea what I'm talking about or how to fix anything.
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Would there be any custom rom that I might be able to flash? I haven't found any specifically for the xt1050. I haven't contacted my carrier yet. VERY SMALL company. I may have to ask them but 90% of the time I have to go to my carrier for troubleshooting they never have any idea what I'm talking about or how to fix anything.
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The only way to flash a custom rom is if you can unlock your bootloader. Otherwise you are stuck with ROMs which have been digitally signed by Motorola.
You try this???
http://www.ntelos.com/motoxkitkat
http://www.ntelos.com/documents/6590 Moto X upgrade to KitKat instructions.pdf
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Hello everyone, as you can see this is my first post on xda-developers.com. The Diamond will also be my very first WM device. I found a great deal on the Diamond ($450 US for the phone without a contract with the upgraded 1350 battery), however it's currently for a carrier outside of the U.S. I currently have Verizon wireless, and I was hoping to be able to use this phone on their network. This phone is the CDMA version by the way.
So my question is: Is it possible to unlock the phone and flash it with a different ROM in order to get it to work on the VZW network?
I apologize if this seems like a silly question or if the info is somewhere else, I looked around a bit but couldn't find the info to answer my question about this particular phone. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope to have an answer soon!
Sorry for the bump, but I need an answer to this quickly and my thread was pushed off the front page. Is it currently possible to take the CDMA version of the Touch Diamond and get it to work on the Verizon network?
It will be possible but I you will have to wait for the Verizon version to launch before you can port another carriers Diamond over to Verizon as you will need a Verizon ROM.
The Verizon one will be crappy though so you will still want a Sprint or other CDMA carrier's version.
You then unlock it and install a Verizon ROM on it and you should be set.
Thank you very much for the reply! So basically I could go ahead and purchase the phone and just use it for a PDA for a little while, and then sign it up with VZW when the VZW ROM gets released?
Ya well, like I told my friend who I'm going to do the same thing for, I would wait until the Verizon one is released just in case something weird happens and you can't port. Then you aren't out the money. Wait until someone else does it first.
Up to you if you wanna take the risk. $450 is a pretty good deal.
That's true, being out $450 doesn't sound like a very good idea to me... I suppose I'll wait until I find out for sure if this is even possible.
Nevermind
Jeff
Does anyone knows if is possible to unlock a Droid 4 or to buy an unlocked one? I am in Venezuela and I want one of those phones. Thanks in advanced.
This is pretty much the same as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537658
Right now, no it is not possible to get the Droid 4 unlocked as the GSM radio is not enabled and thus it is only running on Verizon CDMA/LTE bands. Hopefully with a firmware update Verizon will enable the rest of the radios in the device.
Thank you blpw , it is very nice to know it, I will wating for any update from Motorola/Verizon
How long does it usually take to get this update so we can use this phone overseas on our networks? I really want the Droid 4 and I have no idea how long new phones take to be "unlocked" for use at other countries. But when it does Im sure this device will make a killing for the seller on ebay
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How long does it usually take to get this update so we can use this phone overseas on our networks? I really want the Droid 4 and I have no idea how long new phones take to be "unlocked" for use at other countries. But when it does Im sure this device will make a killing for the seller on ebay
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There is no information available to tell how long it will take. This is new territory, having an LTE phone from Verizon that is theoretically global capable. All previous VZW global phones were 3G and worked everywhere out of the box.
I have read that Verizon will enable GSM roaming for this phone with an firmware upgrade by the first half of the year.
Can firmware update change the frequency? I read this at a forum
So the phone is pointless to wait for if they ever do release that firmware update?
A firmware update can not add frequency compatibility to a phone, it is a hardware limitation.
Archangel22 said:
Can firmware update change the frequency? I read this at a forum
So the phone is pointless to wait for if they ever do release that firmware update?
A firmware update can not add frequency compatibility to a phone, it is a hardware limitation.
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You can have the hardware but without the properly software you have nothing. The same thing happened with the Xyboard from Verizon. Look at google: "Software update gives the Motorola Droid Xyboard 8.2 global roaming capabilities"
awww now I dont know if I should just get the HTC mytouch slide 4 or wait for the Droid, Ill be spewing if they dont release this global roaming software, I dont understand this frequency stuff and I still dont really know what Australia should require much, I know some of the stats but Ill be peaking if the Droid never gets this software then I wait for nothing.
whats about a custom rom like aokp?
maybe it work with that?
huhu1312 said:
whats about a custom rom like aokp?
maybe it work with that?
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Since 28th april we have unlocked GSM and there is no need in changing rom.
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zwierzak said:
Since 28th april we have unlocked GSM and there is no need in changing rom.
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Hi, I purchased the droid 4 phone and want to use in my country (Indonesia). Any more info how to unlock the gsm?
Thanking you in advance
I am not certain if this is the correct forum for this but I'm going to throw it out there. I live in an area where "officially" the best carrier is a small local carrier. They recently partnered with Verizon to roll out LTE. I'd really love to get a Moto X Developer Edition, however I can't seen to find good information as to whether I would be able to simply plop in my local carriers SIM card into the phone and have it work.
I realize the APNs would need to be set, and ironically looking at the S4 I got from them, all the APNs appear to be "native" Verizon ones. So I guess my question is, does the carrier need to do anything else to activate the phone, or as long as my SIM is in the phone and working will the phone function? Thanks in advance for any information.
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I am not certain if this is the correct forum for this but I'm going to throw it out there. I live in an area where "officially" the best carrier is a small local carrier. They recently partnered with Verizon to roll out LTE. I'd really love to get a Moto X Developer Edition, however I can't seen to find good information as to whether I would be able to simply plop in my local carriers SIM card into the phone and have it work.
I realize the APNs would need to be set, and ironically looking at the S4 I got from them, all the APNs appear to be "native" Verizon ones. So I guess my question is, does the carrier need to do anything else to activate the phone, or as long as my SIM is in the phone and working will the phone function? Thanks in advance for any information.
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I can't answer your question the way you would like it answered - but I can give you a glimmer of hope. I know when I was on the Note2 guys with VZW models could just pop in an AT&T sim and change apn"s and were good to go.
Hopefully someone with a little more experience will join in...
I'm going to get flamed for this but I'm getting irritated with Verizon or Motorola on how long this is taking. The 4.4 update took 4 weeks max and was a big update and this "minor" update has taken 2 months.....I don't understand what the hold up is. I bought this phone off contract because I wanted a phone that would receive updates relatively quickly and based my decision on the fast update to KitKat. I know there are a few Moto people here.....any insight on the delay? I do understand this is minor....just like being up to date. Okay...everyone yell at me for asking about this .
I'm used to updates taking 6-12 months, so I'm not complaining. It hasn't been that long since the last update.
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I'm going to get flamed for this but I'm getting irritated with Verizon or Motorola on how long this is taking. The 4.4 update took 4 weeks max and was a big update and this "minor" update has taken 2 months.....I don't understand what the hold up is. I bought this phone off contract because I wanted a phone that would receive updates relatively quickly and based my decision on the fast update to KitKat. I know there are a few Moto people here.....any insight on the delay? I do understand this is minor....just like being up to date. Okay...everyone yell at me for asking about this .
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Reason why because people are going to hard brick the frigging devices, all unlockable boot loader firmware will be sent out first to see how things go, at that point moto will send out Verizon and at&t firmware and watch all the hard bricks that happen, hope I'm wrong .
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet
How come with have a 4.4.2 deodexed verison for Verizon? Isnt that the release?
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Reason why because people are going to hard brick the frigging devices, all unlockable boot loader firmware will be sent out first to see how things go, at that point moto will send out Verizon and at&t firmware and watch all the hard bricks that happen, hope I'm wrong .
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Well, that's a reasonable explanation . Why are they messing with the bootloader with every update? I think it was you that posted in another thread about PM'ing this info rather than posting it on an open thread? If you don't mind I'd appreciate your explanation on this..If it's not a hassle PM'ing me with the info you have would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
The first update was a special occasion. Verizon never pushes crap out that fast. Money changed hands to get the first X and G updates through carriers ASAP is my guess. The carriers also got burned by the 4.4 exchange bugs which have probably been causing thousands of customer service calls and returns.
We're on a more normal schedule now, although still faster than Samsung or HTC as there is little to modify. Expect Verizon to be last with a 3-6 month delay for updates. Sunday will be 2 months since 4.4.2 pushed to the nexus 5. I would still be (pleasantly) surprised if we saw it before March or even April.
If you bought this phone thinking every update would be within weeks I'll remind you than a single data point does not make a trend.
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Well, that's a reasonable explanation . Why are they messing with the bootloader with every update? I think it was you that posted in another thread about PM'ing this info rather than posting it on an open thread? If you don't mind I'd appreciate your explanation on this..If it's not a hassle PM'ing me with the info you have would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
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Verizon and at&t have locked boot loader on their consumer version, we all know about slapmymoto and all the root hacks, so does moto. The reason why the eliminated boot loader downgrade is due to slapmymoto, no other reason to do it. Just my thoughts . Moto left the vulnerability in the 4.4 upgrade , well its gone now so it should decrease hard bricks in theory but there's always someone who wants to stick a square peg in a round hole
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I'm pretty sure downgrading the bootloader hasn't been possible on many recent moto phones. I agree that it's likely to prevent exploits, but it's not something new or unique to the X
Having just received my Verizon Dev Ed only a week or so ago, it updated to 4.4 almost immediately. What's better about 4.4.2?
We should also stress that some people have the update. Motorola is known for doing "Soak Tests" which, is a good idea. For production devices even if you HAVE all the specs on the device and drivers and such with the source code for them so as a developer you can go and in really look at everything... Takes time to not only make sure it works with the device on a basic level (compiles, boots, phone calls, etc..) there is the fact that bugs crop up and I have read a lot of things about it being pulled because of devices being locked - that of course has to be solved and since each device comes with a bootloader for the carrier it is on (unless I'm wrong in that since Sprint uses the 1060 as well and has the update) I would imagine Verizon is being cautious and giving it extra time. Perhaps Verizon noticed some bugs and the other carriers said to release and work on a fix later and Verizon said - no, fix it first.
I know it is hard to think of Verizon as a 'good guy' like that but it is possible, last thing they need is another phone update the kills devices - they've played that game before.
Anyway, just my two cents worth. I think it is being tested and tweaked before release.
Comparing this to the fact that my Galaxy Note 8.0 (which has no carrier cruft) still is on v4.2.2 and has been since October, so... I'm pretty happy with waiting a few months knowing that they'll get it out to me for the Moto X.
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What's better about 4.4.2?
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My question exactly. I bet most people who harp about updates don't even know what the changes are. I have 4.4.2 on my N7 and I can't tell a difference in performance compared to 4.4. Most of the changes are camera related for the N5 and N7 which doesn't affect the Moto x's camera since it's updates come from the play store.
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Reason why because people are going to hard brick the frigging devices, all unlockable boot loader firmware will be sent out first to see how things go, at that point moto will send out Verizon and at&t firmware and watch all the hard bricks that happen, hope I'm wrong .
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet
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You're not wrong. LOL. Unfortunately.
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Verizon customer complaining about slow updates? Surprise surprise. Dude there are phones on Verizon right now that are still on 4.1-4.3 I'd relax and thank my lucky stars Motorola is only taking months instead of years.
If fast updates were so important you should have gotten a developer edition. I've had 4.4.2 for at least a week now and I had most of the 4.4 bugs fixed months ago
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
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Verizon customer complaining about slow updates? Surprise surprise. Dude there are phones on Verizon right now that are still on 4.1-4.3 I'd relax and thank my lucky stars Motorola is only taking months instead of years.
If fast updates were so important you should have gotten a developer edition. I've had 4.4.2 for at least a week now and I had most of the 4.4 bugs fixed months ago
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
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Developer Editions don't get updates any faster than non-DE versions. The carriers still have to release the updates. I have a VZW DE, and I do not have 4.4.2 yet.
You do realize that you can install it yourself right? There are images all over the place now.
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
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You do realize that you can install it yourself right? There are images all over the place now.
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
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I don't think there are Verizon/xt1060 4.4.2 images available yet. There are 4.4 images readily available though,
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You do realize that you can install it yourself right? There are images all over the place now.
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
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I understand I can flash the system image from another service provider. Everything I've come across is a sbf file....I can't flash just system from that can I? My last two phones have been from Samsung so I'm not too familiar with this stuff yet.
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I understand I can flash the system image from another service provider. Everything I've come across is a sbf file....I can't flash just system from that can I? My last two phones have been from Samsung so I'm not too familiar with this stuff yet.
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I highly discourage you from doing this. There have been several people bricking by flashing the wrong thing. I almost bricked mine, but was able to save it. Then I had to spend 2 hours on the phone with Verizon because something I flashed made my phone show up as a non-Verizon device and temporarily blacklisted it. It now registers as a test device in Verizon's system, and I don't know what the implications of that is if I try to sell it later to someone else.
It was absolutely not worth it and I should have waited for my carrier to officially release an upgrade. I'm sure some here will disagree with me, but I'm telling you from personal experience.
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I highly discourage you from doing this. There have been several people bricking by flashing the wrong thing. I almost bricked mine, but was able to save it. Then I had to spend 2 hours on the phone with Verizon because something I flashed made my phone show up as a non-Verizon device and temporarily blacklisted it. It now registers as a test device in Verizon's system, and I don't know what the implications of that is if I try to sell it later to someone else.
It was absolutely not worth it and I should have waited for my carrier to officially release an upgrade. I'm sure some here will disagree with me, but I'm telling you from personal experience.
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Yes..this. be patient. 4.4.2 won't change your life or anything.
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I to agree with the previous poster, as you said you came from a Sammy product, forget and throw all the past experience with Sammy out the window. Moto is a totally different beast. Wait till your sbf firmware is available and flash that. I have seen to many know it alls royally screw their brand new moto's up. Patience soon all will be for told , I can see in the not so distance future the 4.4.2 update
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i'm on Sprint with a Galaxy S3 ... thinking of switching to Republic Wireless on a Moto X.
1. Can I root the phone?
2. Can I flash any custom ROMs? Which ones will work with Republic?
3. Existing Republic customers -- are you happy with the service/phone?
4. Does it come with KitKat? Is it pretty much AOSP vanilla, or bloated?
Thanks!
d0g said:
i'm on Sprint with a Galaxy S3 ... thinking of switching to Republic Wireless on a Moto X.
1. Can I root the phone?
2. Can I flash any custom ROMs? Which ones will work with Republic?
3. Existing Republic customers -- are you happy with the service/phone?
4. Does it come with KitKat? Is it pretty much AOSP vanilla, or bloated?
Thanks!
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1. Not sure about Kit Kat, Jellybean could be rooted
2. No, well you can but you will loose the ability to call and text
3. Personally I am happy with the service
4. It does now
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You would have to hope you can still buy a bootloader unlock code from the guy in China. Or else you will not be able to root. Assuming it comes with 4.4.2, which it probably will now. And the guy selling codes for 45 could stop anytime. Or he may not be able to unlock yours. It will be a gamble.
I'd suggest you pay outright for a dev edition. Then you're good to go.
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You would have to hope you can still buy a bootloader unlock code from the guy in China. Or else you will not be able to root. Assuming it comes with 4.4.2, which it probably will now. And the guy selling codes for 45 could stop anytime. Or he may not be able to unlock yours. It will be a gamble.
I'd suggest you pay outright for a dev edition. Then you're good to go.
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republic wireless doesnt have a dev edition
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republic wireless doesnt have a dev edition
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I know, it would have to be bought elsewhere.
Otherwise, good chance RW 4.4.2 phones will never be rooted.
Unless you luck out and can get a code from the Chinese seller.
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republic wireless doesnt have a dev edition
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The phone can be unlocked if you BUY the unlock code. Mine personally is unlocked from the first go around.
To answer your questions:
1) If you order the phone and receive it running 4.2.2, then yes, you can root the phone, then safestrap and upgrade to 4.4.2 using the guide in the General section. If you receive the phone running 4.4.2 then your only hope is to unlock your bootloader via the China middleman.
2)There are no custom ROMs that support the custom software that RW bakes into their ROM to make their services work. If your bootloader is unlocked, you can flash all you want, just won't work as a cellphone.
3)I love the Moto X and RW service. Sprint is not always the best, but I get coverage most everywhere I travel, plus I get WiFi in most everywhere I go.
4)For now, new phones bought directly from RW should still come running 4.2.2 until their stock runs out. Don't know what a new phone from Motomaker would come with. Their KK ROM is generally debloated aside from all of Googles apps and HPs Printer plugin.
Thanks for the info ...
Does anyone know ...
1. if I buy a Moto X straight from motomaker, or used on craigslist ... can I flash it with the Republic ROM?
2. If I buy a Republic moto ... can I later flash it to use with a Simple Mobile SIM card?
thanks
You won't be flashing anything that requires a custom recovery if you get either with 4.4.2 installed, cause you won't have root. Or an unlocked bootloader. Unless you get lucky and the unlock codes are still available for 45 dollars and your phone is in his list.
That's what I was trying to say previously.
OK, but what if I get a Moto from Motorola ... which I assume is easily rootable ... can I then flash the Republic ROM on to it?
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OK, but what if I get a Moto from Motorola ... which I assume is easily rootable ... can I then flash the Republic ROM on to it?
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You can't unlock motomakers either tho.
Unless you're talking about getting the dev edition.
Ah ... I see. Bummer. Do you know if the Nexus 5 (straight from Google) is ready to root?
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Ah ... I see. Bummer. Do you know if the Nexus 5 (straight from Google) is ready to root?
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Any nexus 5 can be rooted. Just unlock bootloader and you're off.
That may be the best for me then ... I don't want to be locked in to anything. thanks!
Is the Nexus 5 both GSM and CDMA? I don't see an option on order form.
Sorry to go off - topic ...
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That may be the best for me then ... I don't want to be locked in to anything. thanks!
Is the Nexus 5 both GSM and CDMA? I don't see an option on order form.
Sorry to go off - topic ...
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You may need to confirm with a google search, but yes.
There's only one north american model of the n5, and it works on most any carrier, except Verizon apparently.
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I would google "nexus 5 [carrier name]" to see if out works on the specific carrier you want.
I've been planning on the Moto X from Republic Wireless. It sounds like from Moto Maker they are coming with 4.4.2, so I can only hope the guy selling codes is still doing so and can unlock mine, otherwise wait and pray they find a way to unlock 4.4.2 on RW..
If not, I hope I can live with a generally stock phone.. It does seem like the Moto X is pretty good all around as it is, so maybe it won't be so bad :fingers-crossed:
I have used RW for about 2 or 3 months and I am planning to switch to something like T-mobile for various reasons. all the reasons that annoy me enough to switch are somewhat small stuff but that's just me.
the reasons are: no emoji support, no 3rd party texting app supported fully (texting works mms doesn't), slower than the rest software updates (we got our 4.4.2 update, if I'm not mistaken, last), and my biggest annoyance with them is not allowing me to unlock my phone (but I eventually did it anyways).
I also feel like they don't listen to the community as much as they should but they sure as hell listen to it more than a big carrier.
anyways that' just my opinion, I might add a few things to this list if I think of them.