spark+HD Voice = Talk and Data same time?

spark+HD Voice = Talk and Data same time? - Sprint HTC One (M8)

Just asking!!! http://faster.sprint.com/2014/03/17...ts/?INTMKT=MA:MS:103013:SparkHub:Home_Content

i dont get any data when on voice calls and I'm in an area that already has spark for bands 2500 and 1900. idk if 850 makes the difference but i doubt it
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Tri-Band Spark phones do not currently have the ability to use data while on a call because there is only one radio which handles everything. So, if you are on CDMA/3G, you cannot be on LTE. It won't be until Sprint offers VoLTE or similar will you be able to do this again.
The way Sprint now handles routing is by using a technology called CSFB/eCSFB (Circuit-Switched Fall-Back). When you receive a call, your phone is told to switch back to CDMA to accept the call. In an upgraded area that is correctly configured and operating, this should be nearly instant bar any technical issues. This is all handled on the network side and there's nothing a consumer can do to circumvent it outside of forcing the phone to operate in LTE mode at all times. Though, this will not allow you to receive phone calls.
HD Voice on the other hand, relies on the devices on both ends of the call as well as the network. Both phones must be HD Voice compatible for this to operate. This supposedly offers better noise cancellation and clarity.

skizzled said:
Tri-Band Spark phones do not currently have the ability to use data while on a call because there is only one radio which handles everything. So, if you are on CDMA/3G, you cannot be on LTE. It won't be until Sprint offers VoLTE or similar will you be able to do this again.
The way Sprint now handles routing is by using a technology called CSFB/eCSFB (Circuit-Switched Fall-Back). When you receive a call, your phone is told to switch back to CDMA to accept the call. In an upgraded area that is correctly configured and operating, this should be nearly instant bar any technical issues. This is all handled on the network side and there's nothing a consumer can do to circumvent it outside of forcing the phone to operate in LTE mode at all times. Though, this will not allow you to receive phone calls.
HD Voice on the other hand, relies on the devices on both ends of the call as well as the network. Both phones must be HD Voice compatible for this to operate. This supposedly offers better noise cancellation and clarity.
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Thanks!! That was i wanted to read. I wanted to know if HD Voice is same to VoLTE. But I guess we have to wait more longer for a VoLTE

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LTE Data while on a call

Any one else loosing LTE data and droping to hspa while on a call. Happening to both my vivid and skyrocket.
Located in Houston, Tx

The reason for this is that, currently, LTE is data-only. Until LTE providers begin to deploy Vo-LTE (Voice over LTE. Basically VoIP, on and LTE network), the only way you will be able to engage the voice stack on your hardware and access data at the same time is if you fall back to UMTS, which has always integrated both services (voice and data) together.

Unlike Verizon lte, art lte uses circuit switch fallback. Can't do hspa and LTE at one time.
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THAT SUCKS ATT!!!! I have to talk & use internet on the HDSPA+ network....it seems so slow. Am I the only person this happens to?

It happens to *everyone* because that is the way it works. Notice that every time you make a call the "LTE" tag goes away....and stays gone until you hang up and the phone reselects back.
There will not be any LTE voice until an IMS is up and running...

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
The reason for this is that, currently, LTE is data-only. Until LTE providers begin to deploy Vo-LTE (Voice over LTE. Basically VoIP, on and LTE network), the only way you will be able to engage the voice stack on your hardware and access data at the same time is if you fall back to UMTS, which has always integrated both services (voice and data) together.
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I know its data only. But dont see why it has to drop off. I have been playing with the build.prop. And it has
#device supports simultaneous 1x voice + LTE
#ro.config.svlte1x=true
So i guess at one point we will have this ability.

This phone only has one radio built in and can't run on both UMTS and LTE at the same time.
I think that setting is referring to a Verizon type LTE device. They have two radios and don't do CSFB like the Vivid/Skyrocket.
Each phone type has it's own pros and cons.

Will nexus 6 support data while on a call?

Apparently the droid turbo can't, which is amazing as far as I'm concerned, and unfortunately a deal breaker for me.
Someone please tell me this phone won't have the same problem?
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On what carrier?
G3

Verizon
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This will be fixed soon on all the new Verizon phones. Same with the Sony Z3v.

It depends on the network. ATT can data and call.

Verizon phones can. I have a note 4 and can make calls while browsing the web
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I'm not sure about all Verizon phones I guess. I just mean it's possible on their network right now

At first most likely not. Droid life did a video making a call while on Verizon and it dropped data as soon as it started calling and came back once finished.
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Wow hopefully that is fixed with the upcoming update being pushed before release.

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Wow hopefully that is fixed with the upcoming update being pushed before release.
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Its not something that is broke ....the oem are making these phones with only one path from modem .... either data or phone can use but not both. ..it's been that way since g2 on sprint ...you can use wifi and phone though

You can when vzw goes VoLTE since it will be using the same network type. This uses same antenna as I phone and other moto devices that do not support simultaneous voice and data

Does Sprint's Spark network support it?

I think Verizon has given the date for the update as mid December. At least for the Turbo, that's the case. Still somewhat mystifying why you would release three major "flagship" phones— Sony zv3, Droid Turbo and the Nexus 6— before your ducks are in a row with simultaneous calls and data.

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Does Sprint's Spark network support it?
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No sprint spark phone can do it .... g2 g3 note 4 s5 none of them

VoLTE

I'm confused. I thought the fact that voice was over CDMA is the reason why we can have simultaneous data and voice. Back before Verizon got LTE there was no simultaneous voice and data. Then once LTE came along, suddenly simultaneous voice and data worked (and has worked for me since). The way this was explained to me was that voice uses CMDA and data uses LTE (which is GSM) so they can coexist.
So I guess I'm confused about two things...
1.) Since simultaneous voice and data has been working for years now, what makes these new phones (Turbo & Nexus 6, specifically) any different. Why is this suddenly a concern again? It feels like 2012 all over again.
2.) Whatever the reason is that it supposedly does not work, why will VoLTE fix things? It seems to me that once we have VoLTE we'd have voice and data both trying to use the same pipe and have issues again, just like before LTE existed and we had only CMDA.
Perhaps someone can explain

demarcmj said:
I'm confused. I thought the fact that voice was over CDMA is the reason why we can have simultaneous data and voice. Back before Verizon got LTE there was no simultaneous voice and data. Then once LTE came along, suddenly simultaneous voice and data worked (and has worked for me since). The way this was explained to me was that voice uses CMDA and data uses LTE (which is GSM) so they can coexist.
So I guess I'm confused about two things...
1.) Since simultaneous voice and data has been working for years now, what makes these new phones (Turbo & Nexus 6, specifically) any different. Why is this suddenly a concern again? It feels like 2012 all over again.
2.) Whatever the reason is that it supposedly does not work, why will VoLTE fix things? It seems to me that once we have VoLTE we'd have voice and data both trying to use the same pipe and have issues again, just like before LTE existed and we had only CMDA.
Perhaps someone can explain
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1. some newer VZW phones dont have two radios (ie, one for CDMA voice and the other for CDMA or LTE data).
2. VoLTE with one radio has enough bandwith to simultaneously handle both voice and data. However, VoLTE has a much, much bigger problem as I see it:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/advanced-calling-faqs/
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
I live in Houston....presumably a place with lots of LTE coverage. In reality, I am constantly switching between LTE and 3G. with VoLTE, I'll be dropping calls like crazy.

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1. some newer VZW phones dont have two radios (ie, one for CDMA voice and the other for CDMA or LTE data).
2. VoLTE with one radio has enough bandwith to simultaneously handle both voice and data. However, VoLTE has a much, much bigger problem as I see it:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/advanced-calling-faqs/
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
I live in Houston....presumably a place with lots of LTE coverage. In reality, I am constantly switching between LTE and 3G. with VoLTE, I'll be dropping calls like crazy.
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I'm in Katy, travel all over Houston working. While T-Mobile has a very large LTE area down here, I do see the signals changing very often depending on part of town I'm in
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Simultaneous Voice & Data on VZW

I've seen the news that simultaneous voice and data doesn't work on the N6 on Verizon out of the box. Curious what people think the chances are that it will work at some point without the need to root and unlock?

They have gone to using just one antenna as is the same for the Droid Turbo. VOLTE should be coming to the N6 in the near future.
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HankStorm said:
I've seen the news that simultaneous voice and data doesn't work on the N6 on Verizon out of the box. Curious what people think the chances are that it will work at some point without the need to root and unlock?
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Rooting/unlocking will have no impact on this. It, like all new Verizon devices, requires "Advance Calling 1.0" which Verizon hasn't pushed to any new devices at this point. Assuming Verizon supports the device then it will get the update at some point.

Assuming the phone is made available from Verizon directly I can see simultaneous voice and data being available. I should have been more clear about my question applying to phones bought from Google or Motorola directly.

akellar said:
Rooting/unlocking will have no impact on this. It, like all new Verizon devices, requires "Advance Calling 1.0" which Verizon hasn't pushed to any new devices at this point. Assuming Verizon supports the device then it will get the update at some point.
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Iphone 6 and 6 Plus has it. I just switched to Verizon from Tmo and got 3 devices, 2x iPhone 6+ and Droid Turbo. Now, Turbo I had to get as that line is for business, but it will be sold for a Nexus 6. Tmobile definitely had better voice quality and I was always iffy about going to a CDMA carrier as I used to work and knew a lot about CDMA for Sprint. However, fact that they pretty much have their entire network covered with LTE made me decide to try.
Point is, with Advanced Calling 1.0 you can definitely tell the voice quality difference and using LTE while being on the phone is nice, same way it was on T-Mobile... The fact that Droid Turbo doesn't have this and is one of the premier Verizon Devices saddens me...

air2k57 said:
Point is, with Advanced Calling 1.0 you can definitely tell the voice quality difference and using LTE while being on the phone is nice, same way it was on T-Mobile... The fact that Droid Turbo doesn't have this and is one of the premier Verizon Devices saddens me...
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do you happen to know if turning off the advanced calling 1.0 on the phone will disable the simultaneous voice/data?
i was reading some wiggy things (in verizon's faq, no less) about needing to turn off the adv calling if you're going to be bouncing between LTE & 3G or its going to to drop calls. but my partner makes a ton of calls during her (SF to sacramento) commute when she needs to have data to look at.
if its just the VoLTE you can turn off, that would be great; but if it's the whole package... well, that's going to be a problem.

I am very curious about how this will work in practice as well, to the point where I may not upgrade until volte has been live for a few weeks. I have grown used to just knowing voice and data works...I am worried volte isn't going to work very well.

I'm wondering what is going to work with an unlocked Nexus 6 on Verizon. 3G? XLTE? visual voice mail? my Verizon? Asurion insurance?
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bigyak22 said:
I'm wondering what is going to work with an unlocked Nexus 6 on Verizon. 3G? XLTE? visual voice mail? my Verizon? Asurion insurance?
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Nexu6 has an XLTE chip?

williamentropy said:
do you happen to know if turning off the advanced calling 1.0 on the phone will disable the simultaneous voice/data?
i was reading some wiggy things (in verizon's faq, no less) about needing to turn off the adv calling if you're going to be bouncing between LTE & 3G or its going to to drop calls. but my partner makes a ton of calls during her (SF to sacramento) commute when she needs to have data to look at.
if its just the VoLTE you can turn off, that would be great; but if it's the whole package... well, that's going to be a problem.
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Hi, sorry for late reply. But yes, it will. I got an email from Verizon as well as text telling me how to enable it. And I do see a difference in voice quality when Data+Voice is enabled. It is done via Settings - Cellular and then switch it away from Data only. I drove out while on the phone last night and I managed to lose LTE signal, my call didn't disconnect. However, I did notice odd things with it still. One time my phone went to 1x while in my pocket in a good LTE coverage area. When I took it out and saw 1x I immediately got a Voice Mail notification... I never got a call though.

the only thing making me want to return my Nexus 6 is that I can't simultaneously use data and voice on Verizon.

air2k57 said:
Hi, sorry for late reply. But yes, it will. I got an email from Verizon as well as text telling me how to enable it. And I do see a difference in voice quality when Data+Voice is enabled. It is done via Settings - Cellular and then switch it away from Data only. I drove out while on the phone last night and I managed to lose LTE signal, my call didn't disconnect. However, I did notice odd things with it still. One time my phone went to 1x while in my pocket in a good LTE coverage area. When I took it out and saw 1x I immediately got a Voice Mail notification... I never got a call though.
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I'm on Verizon also but don't see that option. Can you please provide more details

roadratx said:
I'm on Verizon also but don't see that option. Can you please provide more details
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He has an iPhone 6 or 6+ which already supports Advanced Calling 1.0. The Nexus 6 doesn't. Yet at least.
Just for some clarity, Advanced Calling 1.0 and XLTE are Verizon marketing buzzwords for VoLTE and AWS respectively.
You can't do simultaneous voice and data on this device, or some other recent devices because there is only one antenna for both CDMA and LTE, while many previous devices had one for each.
Once you get Advanced Calling 1.0 on your account and device, the CDMA chip is not used and both voice and data go over LTE. Since VoLTE is just another type of transmitted data over LTE, it can do both.
Advanced Calling 1.0 on Verizon WILL drop if you leave LTE coverage as Verizon does not have any way to hand down from LTE to CDMA gracefully. This is different from TMobile and AT&T who can hand down to their HSPA networks. If you had a call going and it didn't drop when you lost LTE, it wasn't a VoLTE call in the first place. It's possible either the call started on 3G, the option wasn't enabled on your phone, or the option wasn't enabled on your account. I'm sorry if I sound patronizing, but Verizon's VoLTE is completely incapable of keeping a call going if you drop from LTE.
Finally, XLTE is just Verizon's term for the extra 10x10 or 20x20MHz of high frequency AWS spectrum they acquired. It's not a new type of LTE, but might as well be because the real world speeds are so much better than the normal low frequency 700MHz band of their original LTE, mostly due to fewer users, more bandwidth, and cleaner RF at the high frequency.
There's no XLTE "chip" as much as looking in the LTE band support and checking for band 4. 700MHz Verizon LTE is band 13, and they will soon start deploying more LTE on band 2. It's a matter of antenna tuning and modem support mostly.

JesusFreak316 said:
He has an iPhone 6 or 6+ which already supports Advanced Calling 1.0. The Nexus 6 doesn't. Yet at least.
Just for some clarity, Advanced Calling 1.0 and XLTE are Verizon marketing buzzwords for VoLTE and AWS respectively.
You can't do simultaneous voice and data on this device, or some other recent devices because there is only one antenna for both CDMA and LTE, while many previous devices had one for each.
Once you get Advanced Calling 1.0 on your account and device, the CDMA chip is not used and both voice and data go over LTE. Since VoLTE is just another type of transmitted data over LTE, it can do both.
Advanced Calling 1.0 on Verizon WILL drop if you leave LTE coverage as Verizon does not have any way to hand down from LTE to CDMA gracefully. This is different from TMobile and AT&T who can hand down to their HSPA networks. If you had a call going and it didn't drop when you lost LTE, it wasn't a VoLTE call in the first place. It's possible either the call started on 3G, the option wasn't enabled on your phone, or the option wasn't enabled on your account. I'm sorry if I sound patronizing, but Verizon's VoLTE is completely incapable of keeping a call going if you drop from LTE.
Finally, XLTE is just Verizon's term for the extra 10x10 or 20x20MHz of high frequency AWS spectrum they acquired. It's not a new type of LTE, but might as well be because the real world speeds are so much better than the normal low frequency 700MHz band of their original LTE, mostly due to fewer users, more bandwidth, and cleaner RF at the high frequency.
There's no XLTE "chip" as much as looking in the LTE band support and checking for band 4. 700MHz Verizon LTE is band 13, and they will soon start deploying more LTE on band 2. It's a matter of antenna tuning and modem support mostly.
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Exactly what he said. And trust me, it isn't as good as what T-Mobile uses.
Let me ask you this, do you think T-Mobile is overall a better network in Metro areas? I loved my service on T-Mobile... From fast data speeds to very clear voice, amazing! Switching to verizon was a nightmare. Even on VOLTE it isn't very clear, calls do drop and I am getting low speeds or regular 3g in places T-Mobile had LTE in Atlanta. I do know that rural coverage and indoor is better on Verizon, but my experience has been bad.

Any updates? Royally pisseddd I can't do voice n data like I can on my lg g3. Fill like I stepped back in time and att tmo mocking vzw all over again for no voice n data
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moosc said:
Any updates? Royally pisseddd I can't do voice n data like I can on my lg g3. Fill like I stepped back in time and att tmo mocking vzw all over again for no voice n data
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We have had voice and data almost 2 weeks now. Update to version 5. 1. D, enable it on your phone and on Verizon. enjoy
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How to get Simultaneous Voice and Data to work on Nexus 6
After updating your Nexus 6 to Android 5.1, you will find a setting hidden inside a Phone Settings menu that allows you to enable VoLTE and then an “Enhanced 4G LTE Mode.” With both of these options toggled on, you can then make calls and “surf the web.” Glory!
In order to enable the setting on your phone, head into the dialer and type in *#*#4636#*#*. When you hit that last *, your phone will jump into the hidden settings menu. Choose “Phone info” and then scroll down until you see an option for “TURN ON VOLTE PROVISIONED FLAG.” Tap that and then reboot your phone (I had to reboot twice for some reason to get it to work). Once booted, head into your phone’s regular settings menu, tap on “More” under “Wireless & networks,” then “Cellular networks.” You should now see an option for “Enhanced 4G LTE Mode” and it should be toggled on.
Note: There is a chance that you may need HD Voice added to your Verizon account. To do that, you will need to sign-in to your Verizon account and add the feature, which is free.
Go ahead and place a call with WiFi off and see if you can access a web page or an app that uses data. All good? In order to keep this functionality, you will need to leave Enhanced 4G LTE Mode turned on.

Hi.... noticed this thread hasn't been active for awhile. Just wanted to confirm that I did this today with my Nexus 6, and everything worked fine. Had to have HD Voice put on my line for free, and had to reboot. But definitely have simultaneous voice/data now.

I just did this on my Nexus 6. Works great so far. Was able to make a call and browse several web pages at the same time. Awesome info thank you!

yotehtr1 said:
I just did this on my Nexus 6. Works great so far. Was able to make a call and browse several web pages at the same time. Awesome info thank you!
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have you upgraded to MARSHMALLOW?

[Q] Sprint simultaneous data/voice?

On my m7 I was able to talk on the phone and continue to use my internet connection. I don't seem to have that functionality on this device. Every time a receive a phone call it drops LTE. I thought running on two simultaneous networks (CDMA + LTE) I could do both. Anyone experiencing the opposite? Did I mess something up? Or is that just how this particular device is? Any input would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.

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On my m7 I was able to talk on the phone and continue to use my internet connection. I don't seem to have that functionality on this device. Every time a receive a phone call it drops LTE. I thought running on two simultaneous networks (CDMA + LTE) I could do both. Anyone experiencing the opposite? Did I mess something up? Or is that just how this particular device is? Any input would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
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well, lte is data only, calls cant go through lte. you need VoLTE to have voice over the lte network. and sprint doesnt offer volte, not yet at least. well, that or you need two radios in your device. the n6 only has one radio.

^This exactly. However, you can use WiFi, if available, and have the same functionality.

I completely understand what voice over LTE is and the fact that my phone uses CDMA for voice. My question was if my HTC one could use my LTE data and voice at the same time on the same network (even the same tower) why the heck can my n6 not do it? I'm actually disappointed with the lack of this functionality. I thought it was standard when sprint switched to LTE because it is essentially using two networks simultaneously.

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I completely understand what voice over LTE is and the fact that my phone uses CDMA for voice. My question was if my HTC one could use my LTE data and voice at the same time on the same network (even the same tower) why the heck can my n6 not do it? I'm actually disappointed with the lack of this functionality. I thought it was standard when sprint switched to LTE because it is essentially using two networks simultaneously.
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It sounds like you didn't read the memo when it came to spark enabled devices,let me explain. Since sprint is using spark (or for tech people, 800mhz, 1900mhz and 2.5ghz) the newer phones that are spark enable (our nexus 6 being one of them) in order to take advantage of the HD voice upgrade and higher speed data, everything basically goes through one channel instead of two (basically all the older lte enabled phones). So before you had a dedicated channel for lte and a dedicated channel for voice. Now when a voice call is initiated, it's all going through the one channel for HD voice (trust me, when you hear it, you'll know it) instead of being broken up into two. Referring to what you said, it's not a lack of functionality, just the way the phones work now until, like the other posters said, volte is enabled on sprint, which hopefully will be happening this year.
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Excellent. I didn't know that happened on spark. I knew it was triband and the data speed shows it. I was getting true 24mbps download speeds on msdn subscriber downloads. Thank you for the thorough explanation. Aren't we all giant nerds on XDA?

USA Carrier Test[Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Google Fi]

This is the first time I have ever posted anything so please excuse the lack of formatting or "neatness."
First of all I want to say that every test I have done was done for a period of 3 days with each of these carriers. The test involved taking the cell phone to the city(Raleigh, NC) to a more rural area(literally anywhere not Raleigh) to test for signal strength differences, voice, and sms. Also, the phone I used is the North American model not the tencent model.
The reason I even did this is because I do not want let go of my Verizon SIM card(I still won't but there is a different reason why at the end)
OK so with that being said let's talk FUNCTIONALITY: ASUS(I have a screenshot of this) is telling me to read in between the lines and that they will push for VoLTE and VoWIFI with USA Carriers AFTER they shut down their 2g/3g Services. However right now VOLTE & VOWIFI DO NOT WORK WITH ANY CARRIER IN THE USA. The closest thing you can get to VOWIFI/VOLTE.
Verizon: Full 4G Support, Data speed and reliability FAR exceed that of AT&T or T-Mobile in RURAL areas of NC. VOICE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES DO NOT WORK ON VERIZON. If you absolutely need to stick to Verizon I have a functional work-around but it does take some time to set up(at the end of post)
AT&T: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON AT&T. If you are not tied to any carrier, I would recommend using AT&T or the best MVNO it has: Good2GO. It is on par with T-Mobile in the city, and also works fine in rural areas.
T-Mobile: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON T-Mobile. I do not recommend this unless you only live in the city and only stay in the city. Rural areas are a no-go for T-Mobile in NC(if you want more specific about which rural areas were tested lmk, but this is mostly central NC)
So I came from Verizon. What is holding me there or why would I recommend you keep it? Well, if you have a current family plan on Verizon with unlimited data, you may want to consider this too, although it is inconvenient.
Reasons to keep Verizon: Unlimited 4G LTE Data plan or an MVNO from Verizon all offer the *MOST RELIABLE* 4G LTE connection. This means that there will rarely be a place without 4G LTE on. The next best thing is AT&T, and although you may not get 4G in as many places as Verizon, it is pretty damn close. Bonus from AT&T is you can actually make calls and text, but wait.... what about 100% Verizon?
IF you reached this spot it is because you want to know the ONLY currently FUNCTIONAL workaround for this problem with no VOLTE VOWIFI or Calls or texts. The solution is to set up call forwarding to a free google voice number from the my verizon app. While you are there, you may as well want to bookmark a webpage in chrome or your browser of choice for text messages. Verizon offers a free service where you can check your texts online. This was originally intended for looking at texts on your computer, but who said you can't use it on your phone?
However, I, cannot stand the idea of being in an emergency where the 4G signal from verizon is too low to make a google voice call, and that I NEED to call someone. Therefore what I am doing is the following: Setting up the Verizon workaround for forwarding calls to the google number, setting up the text message workaround on verizon, and STILL getting an emergency $10/mo AT&T MVNO plan that has unlimited text and calls(Good2go mobile).
other AT&T MVNO's charge way more for that feature by the way. I am usually always travelling, so the amount of times I will be without 4G LTE from any carrier(T-mobile, AT&T, or Verizon) is increased exponentially. I need that backup failsafe with the AT&T MVNO.
With that being said though, if you're wondering why I didn't mention google fi, it is because this sim card 100% did not work at all in this cell phone. I tried changing the APN's and everything else under the sun but it simply did not work. Big bummer since I was hoping this would be my next daily driver for a carrier.
If there is anything else you're interested in let me know. I've had the phone for a good week now so I'm pretty comfy with the way it works and other small things.

ZyroSS said:
This is the first time I have ever posted anything so please excuse the lack of formatting or "neatness."
First of all I want to say that every test I have done was done for a period of 3 days with each of these carriers. The test involved taking the cell phone to the city(Raleigh, NC) to a more rural area(literally anywhere not Raleigh) to test for signal strength differences, voice, and sms. Also, the phone I used is the North American model not the tencent model.
The reason I even did this is because I do not want let go of my Verizon SIM card(I still won't but there is a different reason why at the end)
OK so with that being said let's talk FUNCTIONALITY: ASUS(I have a screenshot of this) is telling me to read in between the lines and that they will push for VoLTE and VoWIFI with USA Carriers AFTER they shut down their 2g/3g Services. However right now VOLTE & VOWIFI DO NOT WORK WITH ANY CARRIER IN THE USA. The closest thing you can get to VOWIFI/VOLTE.
Verizon: Full 4G Support, Data speed and reliability FAR exceed that of AT&T or T-Mobile in RURAL areas of NC. VOICE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES DO NOT WORK ON VERIZON. If you absolutely need to stick to Verizon I have a functional work-around but it does take some time to set up(at the end of post)
AT&T: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON AT&T. If you are not tied to any carrier, I would recommend using AT&T or the best MVNO it has: Good2GO. It is on par with T-Mobile in the city, and also works fine in rural areas.
T-Mobile: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON T-Mobile. I do not recommend this unless you only live in the city and only stay in the city. Rural areas are a no-go for T-Mobile in NC(if you want more specific about which rural areas were tested lmk, but this is mostly central NC)
So I came from Verizon. What is holding me there or why would I recommend you keep it? Well, if you have a current family plan on Verizon with unlimited data, you may want to consider this too, although it is inconvenient.
Reasons to keep Verizon: Unlimited 4G LTE Data plan or an MVNO from Verizon all offer the *MOST RELIABLE* 4G LTE connection. This means that there will rarely be a place without 4G LTE on. The next best thing is AT&T, and although you may not get 4G in as many places as Verizon, it is pretty damn close. Bonus from AT&T is you can actually make calls and text, but wait.... what about 100% Verizon?
IF you reached this spot it is because you want to know the ONLY currently FUNCTIONAL workaround for this problem with no VOLTE VOWIFI or Calls or texts. The solution is to set up call forwarding to a free google voice number from the my verizon app. While you are there, you may as well want to bookmark a webpage in chrome or your browser of choice for text messages. Verizon offers a free service where you can check your texts online. This was originally intended for looking at texts on your computer, but who said you can't use it on your phone?
However, I, cannot stand the idea of being in an emergency where the 4G signal from verizon is too low to make a google voice call, and that I NEED to call someone. Therefore what I am doing is the following: Setting up the Verizon workaround for forwarding calls to the google number, setting up the text message workaround on verizon, and STILL getting an emergency $10/mo AT&T MVNO plan that has unlimited text and calls(Good2go mobile).
other AT&T MVNO's charge way more for that feature by the way. I am usually always travelling, so the amount of times I will be without 4G LTE from any carrier(T-mobile, AT&T, or Verizon) is increased exponentially. I need that backup failsafe with the AT&T MVNO.
With that being said though, if you're wondering why I didn't mention google fi, it is because this sim card 100% did not work at all in this cell phone. I tried changing the APN's and everything else under the sun but it simply did not work. Big bummer since I was hoping this would be my next daily driver for a carrier.
If there is anything else you're interested in let me know. I've had the phone for a good week now so I'm pretty comfy with the way it works and other small things.
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Did you try CDMA_Less on Verizon?

tech_head said:
Did you try CDMA_Less on Verizon?
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Yes, didn't work

So this is all true for the international version, but not for the Tencent edition. Tencent version only supports bands 1-4 and pretty much nothing else. Those are the old school bands for AT&T and TMobile, so signal is ok but not great. Indoors TMobile is pretty bad with the Tencent phone, whereas I get fantastic signal with my OnePlus 7 pro in the same places on TMobile.
Damn shame, other than that the rog2 is better in every way and I'm going to miss it dearly but I've got a 1 year old and not having a cell signal at home or work is not an option.

cyagl643 said:
Are there any other downsides, because im thinking even if going overseas you can use it like Vowifi because as long as you have some kind of connection via wifi or data you should get calls and texts via the app.
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I'm considering this method as well. I'm a trucker, so network coverage is a deal breaker for which carrier I use, and no one comes close to Verizon. My big concern now is how 911 would work. I know I couldn't do it via Google Voice, but I'm wondering if the phone would default back to the phone radio and seek out a usable network. I know cell phones are required be able to make 911 calls from any available network in the U.S, even if not activated with a carrier. So would the phone make a 911 call via AT&T or TMO?
If I go through with it, I may do it a slightly different way. I have a spare line I could cancel. Instead, I may activate the ROG II to that one, then port my existing number to GV. That way I could use GV but as my current number. I figure that would be easiest on those with my contact info.

Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.

bruciebabie1963 said:
Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.
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And what happens when the gsm(3g) gets turned off in beginning of 2020? Asus seriously f'd up not allowing volte.

homerunbm33 said:
So I have att and really would like to get this phone but concerned about any possible issues(for example no band 14 and 30) . Did you have any issues with service with att? I'm considering the rog, op7t or pixel 4. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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No, I had no real issues with AT&T, it's the reason I'm getting my 2nd sim to be an MVNO for this phone. 1 Carrier only AT&T is simply the best overall for this phone. If we say Verizon is 100% 4G LTE strength/reliabililty, then AT&T is like 90%, while AT&T is 60%. This is of course in more rural areas. In the city it matters not if you have AT&T or T-Mobile...

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The Verizon idea sounds like a great workaround because you can also download the My Messages app at the play store and it works the same as the website. The only downside, and correct me if Im wrong would be when calling people they would see your google number and not your real cell number. Are there any other downsides, because im thinking even if going overseas you can use it like Vowifi because as long as you have some kind of connection via wifi or data you should get calls and texts via the app.
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I'm afraid you can't use the app it just doesn't work I tried this... maybe it'll work for you though? Otherwise yes, they would get a call from another number(the google number) and they can call either your google number or verizon number and both will work. it's more of there so you don't inconvenience your contacts, but you should probably tell them you simply switched to (google number) and to just call/text there if you're sticking to verizon only, imo.
otherwise yes the app itself only needs data it doesnt matter if you grab data from ethernet(works), 4G, or wifi...

Mr_Mooncatt said:
I'm considering this method as well. I'm a trucker, so network coverage is a deal breaker for which carrier I use, and no one comes close to Verizon. My big concern now is how 911 would work. I know I couldn't do it via Google Voice, but I'm wondering if the phone would default back to the phone radio and seek out a usable network. I know cell phones are required be able to make 911 calls from any available network in the U.S, even if not activated with a carrier. So would the phone make a 911 call via AT&T or TMO?
If I go through with it, I may do it a slightly different way. I have a spare line I could cancel. Instead, I may activate the ROG II to that one, then port my existing number to GV. That way I could use GV but as my current number. I figure that would be easiest on those with my contact info.
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Technically speaking 911 SHOULD work, but I'm not about to get in trouble trying that one out LOL. I have a backup emergency cell phone line for those emergencies since I also, cannot stand not being able to have that option even if the chances are slim. I am also keeping Verizon because it simply has the strongest 4G signal of the USA carriers that I tested, however AT&T isn't too far behind it's definitely good, just not great. AT&T gets calls and texts by default too so theres that as well lol

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Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.
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This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...

ZyroSS said:
This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...
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I may consider this as well. I'll likely run it Verizon only with the work around and see how it goes before adding a second SIM.
As for 911, I think I may be able to contact a local 911 operator and see what info I can glean from them.
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I did find this, which includes some info both on how 911 works with un-activated phones, and how to make a test call.
https://www.911.gov/frequently_asked_questions.html

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I'm afraid you can't use the app it just doesn't work I tried this... maybe it'll work for you though? Otherwise yes, they would get a call from another number(the google number) and they can call either your google number or verizon number and both will work. it's more of there so you don't inconvenience your contacts, but you should probably tell them you simply switched to (google number) and to just call/text there if you're sticking to verizon only, imo.
otherwise yes the app itself only needs data it doesnt matter if you grab data from ethernet(works), 4G, or wifi...
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I mean I tried the app on the current phone I have with wifi calling off and airplane mode on, and had someone text me and I got it.

Hey, so I've tried everything I read online to forward my calls to Google voice. I have Verizon. I've tried both *72 and *73. I've made sure to not have any forwarding set up on GV so I'm not in an infinite forwarding loop. But no matter what, it seems the calls straight to GV voicemail. Is there something I'm missing? I've also tried it with my Verizon number linked and after I deleted it. Any help would be much appreciated. thank you

Drkstover said:
Hey, so I've tried everything I read online to forward my calls to Google voice. I have Verizon. I've tried both *72 and *73. I've made sure to not have any forwarding set up on GV so I'm not in an infinite forwarding loop. But no matter what, it seems the calls straight to GV voicemail. Is there something I'm missing? I've also tried it with my Verizon number linked and after I deleted it. Any help would be much appreciated. thank you
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I called Verizon and had them forward my calls to my GV # and it works fine.

AVJ1221 said:
I called Verizon and had them forward my calls to my GV # and it works fine.
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What app are you using for GV calls? Google Voice app doesn't ring for me...

ram4ufriends said:
What app are you using for GV calls? Google Voice app doesn't ring for me...
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Try restarting your phone. Sometimes GV gets buggy for some unknown reason. I also have Hangouts and Hangouts dialer downloaded so Google assistant can make calls when I ask. I believe GV can dial out through dialer as well.
And make sure to allow GV and any other calling app you're using to auto start in your phone settings.

ZyroSS said:
This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...
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How is Good2go working for you?
Any problems in calls/texts?
Thanks.

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