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should i buy this phone

hi all
my current phone is galaxy s2 and i would like to change my phone
so i'm thinking about the 4x is it a good phone, and as 4x user how do you think about it?
is really lg bad in update and as i read there is no real developer for lg phone!

yes here are no proper devolper for this phone.....but phone is good.....bright disply...sound high and phones look awsome...battery backup is best.......all the littel things ignored..hurry...purchase the phone

vijay2 said:
yes here are no proper devolper for this phone.....but phone is good.....bright disply...sound high and phones look awsome...battery backup is best.......all the littel things ignored..hurry...purchase the phone
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This phone make the best deal for gaming experience.
Other purpose (multimedia, browsing, document processing) is adequate.
If you like to take precision and advanced camera function, you may want to look another model.
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Why is browsing adequate? Is it better on the One X lets say?
I found browsing fast and as good as it gets.

is the camera that bad?

camera is good but not perfect need some software fixes...the phone is great and smooth but need more software support
if bootloader unlocks devs gonna make the best of this phone

DONT
i regret it.
bootloader and crappy lg support messed it up
One X all the way..

onex is good but have some serious touch problems and high temp overheat...
read my friend...
and this phone is new...give it some time
onex got almost morethan 1 year of rom cooking

i Hate Samsung for there bad quality in production "i have alot of problem with them" second thing both company have slow software support in my region
but at least Samsung have unlocked bootloader and HTC is very Overpriced here.

4X heats on gaming too..
and one year of rom cooking? they can. we cant.
my advice, go for s3.. or wait till someone uses an S4 pro chip and go for that..
but not optimus g.. that'll suck **** too

I'm still cheating on it with my p1i. But if you need an android phone, you can do (a lot) worse than this one. Battery life is good, when comparing it to other android phones I've tried... also compared to other tegra 3 devices.. Standby-time tends to be measured in days, which is as it should be (even if that hasn't been obvious for designers for a while for some reason). And battery life while running low-power apps also is good because of the companion core, and lack of in-built apps that use active focus, or keep requesting busy services too fast, etc. So playing music or streaming in the background, and so on, actually didn't draw much power.
So then you have basically the standby time of the second generation iPhones, while still also having the low power-draw while running modest tasks, or flipping through the menus. Seems to be intelligently set up when it comes to using cores when accelerating video, and running on hdmi out as well. That it's not pushing every core to full burn, and balance the running cores. I expect that this is not specific to this phone, though, and happens transparently on the chipset (and that it's the lack of active in-built apps in the background that makes the difference between this and the onex that I tried). On top of that you have apparently the best 3d performance in the shop, without the thing becoming a glowing hot potato in your hand after two minutes.
Menu system and standby screen with the circle unlock (that opens up directly to the app below, etc) also works well, imo. Would wish they did a bit more with it and let you customise it a bit more, though.
Did I mention it has a stereo-plug connector that's not in conductive rubber? That's lovely. Screen and edges I like better than the iPhone I was forced to use for a short while.
Also, optional and removable sd-slot. Thought that was standard nowadays, but no.
Negatives are.. no led blip when getting new messages. Is a bit strange, but saves me a lot of stress, strangely enough
Has no keyboard. And it's fricking huge (relatively speaking.. it's smaller than both the galaxy 3 and the onex.. :/ which makes it the smallest in this class.. fail.. ). If you open it up, the widest component is the module with the home-buttons. Next is the external modules for antenna, I think. The actual core chip with the bus-interface is less than half the thickness of the device. Battery is tiny inside the chassis as well. They could easily have fitted a slightly flatter but larger lithium-polymer battery inside that casing, and had twice the battery life on this thing.
So maybe one day, we'll get a device like this in a credit card sized ips panel. Grey or Tegra4 maybe? Should be possible in the current design as well, though.
Other than that - no odt text editor in Android yet. But I can spam twitter and facebook with every touch of my fingers. Otherwise, format support is good, and this phone doesn't force you to use specific applications via annoying vendor registry settings. Which is a mercy since the boot-loader is locked.
But lacking that smaller phone... since there unfortunately ARE NO PHONES LIKE THAT ON THE MARKET WHATSOEVER. Smaller phones also tend to be thicker. And the different manufacturers are competing with themselves on who can make the most iPhone-like iPhone copy. And have apparently decided that slide-out keyboards are evil... So with that in mind, this is probably the best you can get at the moment, since it's also the cheapest tegra 3 phone on the market. Frankly agonized a lot over buying it, but I'm not unhappy with it so far.

Also, a thing very very important with me, is that since its plastic and with patterns, I dont have to put it in a case, which will make it even bigger. I just use a screen protector and I am done!

even that i'm fully aware of the locked bootloader, i still bought it, because it has excellent hardware with a good price...
for the camera, im not using stock apps, and it is good

Would you recommend this phone to a new buyer?

Hi all,
a thread like this has *not* appeared in the 'similar' threads section so here goes...
What do you like about this phone, what do you not like?
I bought a cool phone a few months ago which is brilliant for many things but fails terribly in two areas: the battery which dies 1-2 times per day (are you laughing? ) and it lags terribly on ICS because of the very heavy skin and low RAM unable to manage it.
I'm attracted to this phone because:
- huge battery, not only big but online reviewers that I trust like GSM Arena tested it extensively and the battery performs brilliantly
- good-sized screen, which looks like the trend for 2013 but in a compact size (edge to edge)
- rugged screen and back
- specs will allow it to be updated to future Android versions comfortably I'd say
- I'm attracted to AMOLED, anything without a battery-killing backlight is the way forward for me

I would recommend this phone without any hesitation.

Definitely yes!
Here is my small review: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36396900&postcount=13

As long as you dont expect a gaming platform its the best phone with that size, browsing, smoothness and app starts are as good of an experience as iphone5, nexus4 and alle the other so called high end phones.
Browsing is especially nice since we still have the outstanding stock ics browser.
You have to take care though or u will get scratches as easily as the iphone5, every metal can scratch the "colour" of the aluminum.
The cam is average at quality, outstanding at speed (beats dem iphone5 and in comparison to a ip4 its really noticable) and of course theres a button.

Thanks gents (and ladies?). This is really good news. I've been considering this one with the Samsung GS3 Mini but this one trumps that one in a few places. It's great to see that the thread isn't overloaded with manufacturer problems - my current phone has threads for that.
Yeah, my hopes for this one are straight-forward enough I guess, mostly that it will last more than one day so I stop missing calls and alarms, not laggy, and in good shape for future updates (I see Jelly Bean is imminent for this one?). I have a 32GB SD that I'll probably upgrade to a 64GB perhaps Class 10 for music. That's it really. Music is OK on the phone? No major problems? :victory:

If you consider use the stock earphone, yes, it has a very nice sound. I cant say the same for the speakers.
You can take outstanding pictured with no noise, if you know what you're doing. It just have an accentuated noise of very low light situations.
For games, you can play many of them, even N.O.V.A 3. Also with most apps rebuilding their structures to x86, you won't have problems with incompatibility. RAZR i also can handle emulation, such as N64 and PSX (played CB3).
Due to the medfield processor, you won't suffer from had to plug to the charger all the time. The 2000mAh battery can hold all day and its possible to keep 2 or 3 days without charge.

Of course I do recommend it.
Power and beauty :good:
The screen is not perfect, but for videos is pretty damn good. My battery lasts one day of moderate use with all ON (except bluetooth). I don't have had any lag, and I play a lot of games. Internet browsing is superb in Chrome. The flaws could be a decent but not awesome camera, no flash (still a need), and some apps (a few) doesn't work with x86 processor.

aberst said:
Of course I do recommend it.
Power and beauty :good:
The screen is not perfect, but for videos is pretty damn good. My battery lasts one day of moderate use with all ON (except bluetooth). I don't have had any lag, and I play a lot of games. Internet browsing is superb in Chrome. The flaws could be a decent but not awesome camera, no flash (still a need), and some apps (a few) doesn't work with x86 processor.
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search in the forum, if you have root, you can have flash in opera mobile, or stock browser, (maybe firefox x86 too, not sure)

sky.0165 said:
If you consider use the stock earphone, yes, it has a very nice sound. I cant say the same for the speakers.
You can take outstanding pictured with no noise, if you know what you're doing. It just have an accentuated noise of very low light situations.
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You can't say that! The stock earphone is, like every stock one, a very basic one, its quality is not good! I however understand that if you don't listen to music that much or simply never tried some good ones, you can be satisfied with them...
About the camera, "oustanding pictures"? no way... correct pictures, that's all! This is a phone, not a real camera.
Ok for the noise

amazing device!
absolutely yes!

I wouldn't recommend a phone with an OS from the prehistoric times no matter the hardware.

sky.0165 said:
If you consider use the stock earphone, yes, it has a very nice sound. I cant say the same for the speakers.
You can take outstanding pictured with no noise, if you know what you're doing. It just have an accentuated noise of very low light situations.
For games, you can play many of them, even N.O.V.A 3. Also with most apps rebuilding their structures to x86, you won't have problems with incompatibility. RAZR i also can handle emulation, such as N64 and PSX (played CB3).
Due to the medfield processor, you won't suffer from had to plug to the charger all the time. The 2000mAh battery can hold all day and its possible to keep 2 or 3 days without charge.
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Yes yes...but have you ever tested those 2 or 3 days?
Are they intended in stand-by mode?

mattlgroff said:
I wouldn't recommend a phone with an OS from the prehistoric times no matter the hardware.
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I know it can be frustating, we are still waiting for Jelly Bean, but, this is a really good phone.
And I'm confident, I'm sure the Jelly bean update is coming

AW: Would you recommend this phone to a new buyer?
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I wouldn't recommend a phone with an OS from the prehistoric times no matter the hardware.
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As a dev and tech freak I may agree, as a user that has n4 with 4.2 and the I I disagree since there is really no difference.

mattlgroff said:
I wouldn't recommend a phone with an OS from the prehistoric times no matter the hardware.
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So I take that to mean you've already given up on the i?

I have just got one after being a HTC user for 8 years!! gulp! HTC *were* cool but now seem too mainstream. Motorola as a brand is like and old dinosaur, but they seem to have kicked ass with the razr I. It has an almost "military spec" build: metal, glass torx cap heads on view. I love it. Also the weight and feel and huge screen for compact size.
Things I still don;t like or get after a few days:
- my data connection seems unstable, slow and generally poor (I *could* have a problem with my SIM as it trimmed it myself from a full size)
- the screen DOES SCRATCH as easily as any or my old HTC regular screens. The corning gorilla tough class thing is 90% marketing BS
- the charge plug in the side makes the phone clumsy to use when plugged in
I have got my hands dirty with this too (see sig) with no problems - just need to decide what and how retail rom to use to remove the carrier crap I have now.

Any more comments on the audio quality? I hear that the speaker is not great, but I'd need it more with earphones. I have a good music player on my phone with it has bad battery, it makes the audio on my iPod sound awful, no joke. I use typically 320mps songs or lossless if I can help it.

I'm very happy with the sound on this phone. With headphones music sounds great and without headphones the sound is more than adequate for most people.
Also the volume on this phone (with or without headphones) is much louder than any phone I've ever owned.

NEVER had (all right, since my first gen Iphone) a smartphone going TWO days of heavy use w/o charging! For me this is an unbelievable Razr i experience.

bmszabo said:
NEVER had (all right, since my first gen Iphone) a smartphone going TWO days of heavy use w/o charging! For me this is an unbelievable Razr i experience.
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Mmm show me a screenshot, because 2 days of heavy use, no offense, but I'm a but sceptical...

[Q] Should I buy Z3-C and Common Issues

Hi, I am looking to switch my phone from LG G2 to something different.
I am looking at Z3 Compact along with some other alternatives and would like to know common issues (both software and hardware level) in this Z3-C before making decision.
Also adding my primary usage:
- Net surfing
- Watching Videos
- Good battery life (LG G2 was awesome in this criteria)
Please share your experience with Z3-C and should I get it or instead save some money and get the Z1-C?
Thank for your valuable response.

Well if you're gonna ask in the Z3C forum you're gonna get alot of bias
But my first impressions are really good so far. Surfing is a very smooth and amazing experience overall. I personally dislike Chrome so I'm using UC browser HD. But, and that's the thing: No matter what app you use everything is silky smooth! With my SGS3 I was very limited with browsers because ~70% where just a laggy mess. Z3C handles everything with ease. So browsing will only be limited by the app you chose, the processing power, the display - the hardware side is very capable.
That also goes for watching videos, the display is very good in my opinion. I had to get used to it after using an Amoled for 2 1/2 years but you can even tune the white balance yourself in the display settings so you decide how you like your whites. Of course I wouldn't wanna watch a full movie on it or something - the screensize is a little on the small size for that. But obviously that's why we are buying the Z3C Power in a smaller size.
Battery life: Amazing. I used the extended battery with the SGS3 which made the device heavy and very thick (~1cm) and it got me through 2 days with about 4-5h screen use. I'm running my Z3C on its second cycle now and I'm on the evening of the second day with 19% left and an amazing 6h 40min screen time. And that's while heavily using it - setting up apps, testing games and emulators with BT controllers, making quite some photos/videos, some phone calls etc. I'd say you should easily get through 2 full days.
I don't know alot about the Z1C but I'd get the Z3C for the double tap to wake alone

in_core said:
Hi, I am looking to switch my phone from LG G2 to something different.
I am looking at Z3 Compact along with some other alternatives and would like to know common issues (both software and hardware level) in this Z3-C before making decision.
Also adding my primary usage:
- Net surfing
- Watching Videos
- Good battery life (LG G2 was awesome in this criteria)
Please share your experience with Z3-C and should I get it or instead save some money and get the Z1-C?
Thank for your valuable response.
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I preordered my Z3C last week especially because all reviews highlighted the best in class battery life, camera and usability (size).
Reading the first reviews of peeps here on xda I read about the display that is easy to scratch, the edges that come off when you drop the device, the volume of the speakers that is too low, etc.. I don't know if people here are a bunch of whiners or if the phone really is that sensitive.. Probably people exaggerate but I'll find out soon myself since I should get it this week (I have no regrets whatsoever, I still want the phone)

clouds5 said:
Well if you're gonna ask in the Z3C forum you're gonna get alot of bias
But my first impressions are really good so far. Surfing is a very smooth and amazing experience overall. I personally dislike Chrome so I'm using UC browser HD. But, and that's the thing: No matter what app you use everything is silky smooth! With my SGS3 I was very limited with browsers because ~70% where just a laggy mess. Z3C handles everything with ease. So browsing will only be limited by the app you chose, the processing power, the display - the hardware side is very capable.
That also goes for watching videos, the display is very good in my opinion. I had to get used to it after using an Amoled for 2 1/2 years but you can even tune the white balance yourself in the display settings so you decide how you like your whites. Of course I wouldn't wanna watch a full movie on it or something - the screensize is a little on the small size for that. But obviously that's why we are buying the Z3C Power in a smaller size.
Battery life: Amazing. I used the extended battery with the SGS3 which made the device heavy and very thick (~1cm) and it got me through 2 days with about 4-5h screen use. I'm running my Z3C on its second cycle now and I'm on the evening of the second day with 19% left and an amazing 6h 40min screen time. And that's while heavily using it - setting up apps, testing games and emulators with BT controllers, making quite some photos/videos, some phone calls etc. I'd say you should easily get through 2 full days.
I don't know alot about the Z1C but I'd get the Z3C for the double tap to wake alone
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Thanks for your valuable input.
The thing is I wont get warranty in my country. GEnerally I have seen Sony to be unreliable in term of hardware (always shows up issues in mid-long term period) and also they are very slow with os updates and does not even give updates after some time, where as htc nd sammy gives fast updates nd supports for 2 yrs.
I did like the phone's specs nd all. The size is perfect for me as well.

in_core said:
Thanks for your valuable input.
The thing is I wont get warranty in my country. GEnerally I have seen Sony to be unreliable in term of hardware (always shows up issues in mid-long term period) and also they are very slow with os updates and does not even give updates after some time, where as htc nd sammy gives fast updates nd supports for 2 yrs.
I did like the phone's specs nd all. The size is perfect for me as well.
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They've gotten faster with the updates. And I'm guessing it will further improve in the future since they are not going to release so many low-/mid-end phones anymore, if any.
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Despite a handful of reports of cracked glass and chipped bezels, this phone is still the #1 candidate on my list. When I buy one, I'll probably get one of those crystal-clear hard-cases for it. Doesn't hide the sexiness of the phone.

[Q] G3 vs Z3C? Opinions

Hey there, I'm planning to give back my g3 to amazon spend 20€ more and get the z3c...
I know this is the z3c forum so I will get more positive reviews about it.
Some extra info: I keep using my nexus 7 2013 for reading and video, with the G3 I didn't use the nexus 7 2013 at all these days so if I keep the G3 I think I will sell the tablet.
G3 foto gets really good with XCam from xdabebb although you can't modify so many values as the z3c manual mode 20 megapixel...
Battery: G3 can give me 5 hours SOT MAX in a day of use, if I forget to charge it It wont get through the second day.
The best thing I like about the LG G3 are the thin bezels and the fact of a 5.5 inch into so small sizes + the screen for multimedia purposes can substitute tablet use.
The worst thing about the LG G3 is the size for 1 hand is nearly impossible and dangerous (phone can easily fall), and the battery + the camera is only good with xdabbeb camera XCam and now with lollipop LG has removed many functionalities about the hardware of the camara that can be accesed
Sorry for the long post
TL.DR: Why should I get Z3 Compact over G3, provide some links in your answers (even I've searched in google quite a lot and not many people compare these 2 due to different screen sizes)

I come from the LG G2 (1 year) -> Amazon Firephone (3 months)-> z3 compact (3 months so far) . However I help my friend to buy a LG G3 and use if for a couple of days. Technically, the LG G3 is mostly identical to the LG G2 (slightly bigger in screen and size, same camera, battery capacity, design and internals (S801 is just an overclocked s800)) However, when the G2 has very good battery life, the G3 is just average. G3 has better camera focus time thanks to laser sensor, but the image quality is mostly the same (they uses the same Sony sensor) The reason I switch to the Z3 compact is G3 is mostly the same as G2 and I need to upgrade my smartphone, as my father love to use the G2, and he's still using. And I advise 4 of my friends to buy sony devices. Our group now have 1 z3, 4 z3 compacts.
The reason for buying z3 compact is:
+ water proof: trust me, my s4 died for just drop into the water for 3 seconds. This z3c has several times accidentally into the water and she lives well. Plus one time listening to music under the heavy rain for more than 1 hour.
+ battery: The best battery life device for more than 10 smartphones I've used in my life. My habit is charge the phone over-night and I have to plug it in normally at 40-50%, 30% on the intensive day and even 70% on the easy one.
+ speakers: It has 2 stereo speakers towards your ears. Most of the other smartphone including LG and has speaker grill at the bottom (one ear in landscape mode) or in the back ?? after using phones with front-facing speakers, you will never go back. And my daddy love my mother's Moto G 2014 just because of those speakers haha.
The reason to not buy the z3 compact is:
-screen size: Depends. Yeah it's very efficiently designed since it has 4.6 inches screen and much smaller than the 4.7 inches galaxy alpha and Iphone 6. However, 4.6 can be considered too small for some. You can buy the z3 in this case, keep in mind that the bigger Z3 doesn't have the as good screen-size ratio as the z3 compact
-camera: IMX 220 is the very good camera (proven in other devices. However, I don't know why Sony can introduce the very bad camera software. It's hard to use, it's complicated, it re-focus when you hit the button even when you already focused just before. Plus, the camera software stays the same without any major updates for nearly 2 years since the z1 and z1 compact. It's a joke when Sony keeps updating theirs other apps like Walkman (now music), Gallery, launcher, themes, major android updates. And don't get me wrong, z3c camera is really good, it just cannot cope with the potential of the sensor itself, and ironically they are the maker of the sensor ha ha. And please not to forget the 2MP front facing camera is just average (with f 2.8 and bad quality) if you are the selfie person.
In conclusion, I'm very satisfied with the z3 compact and will stick with it for a long time.

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G3 has better camera focus time thanks to laser sensor, but the image quality is mostly the same (they uses the same Sony sensor)
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Hello thanks for your post it was very usefull for me, I also owned the G2 for a while and I must say, from what I remember, the camera noise is much lower in the G3 under low light conditions. The main reason I want to get the z3c is due to the camera (in manual mode you can get impressive pictures & auto mode is improving from what I've read) and the battery. The biggest con I see with the z3c is non-removable battery. When the battery life ends it will mean you have to throw it away or take it to the service center and pay a big amount of money to get a new one.

EDIT: Damn, didn't read you already have a G3, curse my lack of reading skills.
I don't know much about the Z3C as I haven't had much contact with it besides playing with it at some store, but I suppose I can tell you a little bit about my G3
Pros:
+Screen size and resolution - it's just perfect for watching vids, playing games and browsing stuff in your bed. Everything you see is incredibly sharp due to the horrendous resolution. I can definetely say there is a difference between my dad's Z1 (it's FullHD, while Z3C is just HD so the difference is even bigger) and my G3 in terms of clarity of the display. You can literally read ant's-****-sized text.
+Camera - it produces really nice shots, in good surroundings it can give birth to magnificent images you will be proud of. And having the laser focus makes you feel like a James Bond... sometimes
+Performance - yes, the QHD sometimes makes the CPU a bit sweaty, but overall there is little to be desired. You may be disappointed if you expect your phone to switch to landscape mode in a blink, but for a simple user it is absolutely ok.
+Pretty and slim design - not as flamboyant as your favourite drag queen, but I really like the way it looks. Altough it is more like a matter of taste.
+Physical buttons placement - it may seem weird at first, but you will like it.
+Durability - I squeezed it many times in my pocket by sitting or kneeling abruptly, yet nothing happened and after six months my device still looks great. Also, the screen is really scratch resistant, there is no need to purchase any screen protector.
+Great standby time - it will live a looooooong life if you just leave it idle.
+Mod-friendly - easy to root, easy to flash, you can restore it no problem if you screw something up (no fear of permanently damaging the camera like in Z3C's case)
+Removable battery - you will love it if your phone gets stuck for some reason. Just pull the battery and all the bad dreams are gone!
Not-pros:
-Overheating - yep, sometimes it gets hotter than girls in your browser history. Hovewer, it occurs only if you push the phone to the limit.
-Need of tinkering - I mean, LG screwed up the software a little bit so you may want to get rid of some of the annoyances like screen oversharpening (it was so annoying that I've decided to root the device just to repair this one goddamn thing, I couldn't stand my mom's face oversharpened), heating, battery life, etc.
-Battery life - not as good as Z3C's, expect it to have 4-5h SOT and be battery hungry at the end of the day if you use it a lot. There are no perks like Stamina mode, though it can be dealt with through rooting or simply buying a bigger battery.
-Plastic - it doesn't feel as premium as the Z3, it emits some creaky sounds if squeezed, the back of the phone can get scratched if you place it on a harsh surface.
-Dimmed screen - not useless in a direct sunlight, but you will have a hard time reading the text on it.
-Not waterproof - unfortunately it's not as resilient as your ex-friend's head, you shouldn't try to flush it down the toilet.
-No stereo speakers - not like it is really needed on a mobile phone imo, but still.
So the way I see it... if you like small screens, perfect performance, topnotch battery life and water resistance, go for Z3C. But if these things aren't that crucial for you, then you won't be disappointed with LG's flagship child... oh wait, isn't G4 out already? Too lazy to check it, but this can only result in one thing - price drop.

Krastinov said:
So the way I see it... if you like small screens, perfect performance, topnotch battery life and water resistance, go for Z3C. But if these things aren't that crucial for you, then you won't be disappointed with LG's flagship child... oh wait, isn't G4 out already? Too lazy to check it, but this can only result in one thing - price drop.
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Thanks for your opinion, I've been using the G3 for 1 week or so and I got exactly that, 4-5 hours SOT and at the end of the day you had to charge it. The worse part of the G3 in my opinion it is that it was too big and this made even worse the fragile/slipery feeling.
The camera are great in both smartphones, but just today I saw one which was even more amazing, the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL. I had it a while and besides 5.7 inch it felt very solid and comfortable. Now I'm between going full retard and buy the 640 XL for 200€ or the z3 compact for 350€. Both are the best in battery performance and camera (although 640XL goes a bit higher on both due to wp). But z3 compact being so smal and so good camera and battery...

sanogueralorenzo said:
The worse part of the G3 in my opinion it is that it was too big and this made even worse the fragile/slipery feeling.
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Maybe it's just me and my sticky hands, but I haven't had any problems holding it. Never experienced any OMG-GONNA-DROP-IT scenarios (just being overly careful after shattering my last Samsung...). Moreover, I heard that the Z3C is more prone to being dropped due to the glass on the back... yet I'm not sure, the one I played with had some anti-theft gizmos attached to its back, so I couldn't compare :d.
sanogueralorenzo said:
The camera are great in both smartphones, but just today I saw one which was even more amazing, the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL. I had it a while and besides 5.7 inch it felt very solid and comfortable. Now I'm between going full retard and buy the 640 XL for 200€ or the z3 compact for 350€. Both are the best in battery performance and camera (although 640XL goes a bit higher on both due to wp). But z3 compact being so smal and so good camera and battery...
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Yea, Lumias are great photo-taking devices, but you would have to settle for Windows Phone, which is... well, let's say that not everybody likes it. But it's your call, as an Android fanboy I would, of course, choose the Xperia, even though it's photo capabilities may be a bit behind Lumias.

Buying xperia z?

Hey guys I'm about to buy a refurbished Xperia Z from Amazon, but I'd like you guys to give me some advice. Do you recommend me? My main concerns are battery, display(they say blacks are grayish), camera and sound. I come from a galaxy s3 and lumia 640 XL(maybe someone has/had one of these smartphones and could give me some thoughts). I suppose the performance is great. I also noticed the device has some pretty good community and development(which the s3 lacks a bit)-which is also very important to me... am I right? Also, how does AOSP-based lollipop(may I dare and also say marshmallow ) run on it? Sorry guys for too many questions and also sorry for my english.
Best regards!!

What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide

aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.

Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...

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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.

MultiPDev said:
Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
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Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)

icrunchbanger said:
For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.

MultiPDev said:
Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.

aaronkatrini said:
Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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It seems the decision is getting harder and harder, although I already bought it because I don't wanna loose the deal. It's not available anymore at this price after buying it. I'm waiting for it to arrive in about two days I'll test it and if it doesn't satisfy me I'll return it.
ONE - Those devices are about $50 more expensive.
THREE - Maybe underclock could do the job, but will it still run smooth at lets say 1.2ghz? Anyway I think for the usage you described the battery doesn't sound that bad.
FOUR - Yeah, I'm looking at the hacking section and I'm stunned
FIVE - well, I'll happily underclock it if it doesn't affect performance too much. Maybe setting to the normal clock when gaming. And for the waterproofness thing... I'm shocked Anyway... I don't mind.
SIX - I guess...
From those devices you mentioned the only one I can afford is the Xperia Z. I really can't pay more than that for a device.
So, do you think I should buy a low end device from this or last year like the moto g 2014? I'm scared of the 1GB of RAM.
I live in Spain and price is a bit high here in Europe. I can buy from Amazon.es/fr/de/it... but I think I only have two options: buy a low-end device with no support from community or an exflagship device with support like the Xperia Z. I also think having 2GB of RAM is important right? I can't spend more than 150€/$160... ad I guess I'm asking too much from a device for this price. I really appreciate your help.

icrunchbanger said:
As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
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Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?

Akinaro said:
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.

MultiPDev said:
Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
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It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.

icrunchbanger said:
It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
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Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.

MultiPDev said:
Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
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Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.

aaronkatrini said:
Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
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Yeah, XZ specs are really impressive for me, but the problems mentioned worry me. The screen seems a bit poor to me from what I read. Maybe the Moto G has a better screen and battery(camera also? I doubt it). Anyway... the XZ is on its way and I can't wait to test it!!!
The biggest problem I have with buying a used phone from people is, aside from the warranty- which is also important, the fact that I can't return it if it doesn't satisfy me. Thank God for Amazon!! lol :victory:
Hey what about speakers sound?

Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ?

aaronkatrini said:
Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ��
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Disappointing. It seems the device has lots of flaws.

MultiPDev said:
Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
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In that case welcome to the club

icrunchbanger said:
In that case welcome to the club
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Thanks buddy I hope I stay here for long

aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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in my country a NEW xperia z costs around 280-300 euro, i think people still prefer it