47MB and gave me yellow pages as well as lookout. I already use lookout but WTF ATT? Bloatware was already a problem but you're actually shoving more down my throat?
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47MB and gave me yellow pages as well as lookout. I already use lookout but WTF ATT? Bloatware was already a problem but you're actually shoving more down my throat?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/updat...ls-more-apps-you-whether-you-want-them-or-not
Yup just got my update before I read this SCREW YOU AT&T
I haven't updated any firmware or security policies. I'm perfectly fine staying as is
The two apps can be disabled, so no biggie to me. There does seems to be at least one bug fix. My recent apps button was a little wonky. It is fixed now.
I hope there isnt something in the update that further prevents root being achieved. If you go to att website there is no way to prevent update either.
http://www.att.com/esupport/softwareUpdateArticle.jsp?sid=KB424084&cv=820#fbid=Vm6VYAFaBld
I just updated. Can someone who hasn't post their about device screen with the kernel and baseband and build info?
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I just updated. Can someone who hasn't post their about device screen with the kernel and baseband and build info?
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Here you go.
Thanks. New kernel, baseband and build. Took 5 seconds to disable the apps. Happy camper
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AT&T marketing Geniuses....not!
More apps to disable because AT&T must think it's funny to push bloatware OTA and label it as an update. Seriously what are they thinking?
Is there actually some marketing strategist that is so out of touch with the real world as to think that people want this crap?
It boggles the mind really that senior leadership and marketing does not troll XDA for ideas that would actually help them succeed in product management.
The 1st carrier to the gate with a device that comes with nothing but vanilla android, is not boot locked, or in any other way hindered for root would (I predict) gain a 10% market share inside of 30 days. Business 101....cater to the majority ESPECIALLY when no one else is. fu***** idiots!!! Do they not realize that we all may enjoy different apps, but that is what the app marketplace is for? Some my even want At&t's apps ( lol ) but they need to put them on the play store and let people choose. You know...democracy and all that. Maybe they think that their apps give them a leg up on their competition? Really? Seriously? An app is going to make the difference of someone choosing AT&T S5 over Verizon S5? OMG please tell me they are not stupid. (I'm long winded and redundant due to hoping De La Vega is reading this btw) Evidently they need things spelled out. I certainly hope he realizes that most normal people make carrier decisions based on price of service, coverage, speed of 4G, etc. You know; that business 101 thing again. Hey Mr. Vega; how many people do you have writing code for AT&T apps? What are you spending on that? What are you paying that marketing jack ass that told you to hire people to write code for AT&T specific apps and bloatware? I hope you get where I'm going here. My God man, take a breath, sit back, clear your mind of all the hype and confusion of the bubble your in and look at this thing from the outside. Get back to the basics and provide a product and service that people want. We dont want or need to have to take the lessor of the evils (context of who has less bloat if we want a new device). Dont believe me? Attempt to find 0.1% of your customers that just has to have one of your bundled apps. Let me know how that goes for you. In the mean time the other 99.9% of us will only be getting more frustrated.
At any rate here is some contact info for At&t. I suggest we flood them with emails and try to get directly to "ATTN. Randall L. Stephenson, Ralph De La Vega"
[email protected]
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
https://twitter.com/ATTCustomerCare
bailey37821 said:
More apps to disable because AT&T must think it's funny to push bloatware OTA and label it as an update. Seriously what are they thinking?
Is there actually some marketing strategist that is so out of touch with the real world as to think that people want this crap?
It boggles the mind really that senior leadership and marketing does not troll XDA for ideas that would actually help them succeed in product management.
The 1st carrier to the gate with a device that comes with nothing but vanilla android, is not boot locked, or in any other way hindered for root would (I predict) gain a 10% market share inside of 30 days. Business 101....cater to the majority ESPECIALLY when no one else is. fu***** idiots!!!
At any rate here is some contact info for At&t. I suggest we flood them with emails and try to get directly to "ATTN. Randall L. Stephenson, Ralph De La Vega"
[email protected]
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
https://twitter.com/ATTCustomerCare
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You do realize the people on XDA are the minority right? We're definitely not the general population. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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You do realize the people on XDA are the minority right? We're definitely not the general population. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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True in the literal sense that "people on XDA". I beg to differ though in that the general majority people would not want things shoved down their throat. All people want choice over the carriers take it or leave it attitude. In addition more and more people are becoming aware of what used to be only "for geeks". My 68 year old father for instance is fully aware of the advantages of having less apps taking up more storage and/or running in the background eating up ram and battery life when he has no need for most of them. The statement "if I wanted them loaded and running I should be able to choose that for myself" or something along those lines is growing among even the "non techies". And lets face it; I would bet that most people on XDA are the defacto come to people in their families for advice on all things electronic. Therefore even a minority can have a large effect on the majority.
BTW, I have no bubble to burst. My age, maturity, and I.Q. puts me well beyond trivial things like that.
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You do realize the people on XDA are the minority right? We're definitely not the general population. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Exactly. Any company that followed the wishes/preferences of those on XDA would be out of business soon.
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Exactly. Any company that followed the wishes/preferences of those on XDA would be out of business soon.
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As above. Your looking at the small picture. Those wishes and preferences are not only those of XDA.
It's almost laughable that you are saying that a company that eliminates bloatware and possibly gives an opportunity for root would be out of business soon.
A very small example would be the fact that people are flocking to a carrier with substantially less coverage and reliability (T-Mo) because of wifi calling. A feature that AT&T and Verizon eliminated for seemingly no reason. Why? because a handful of people out of 10's of thousands might only use the device for free wifi calls versus buying service from them? How many people are going to buy a high end device averaging 650.00 to do that with? So your telling me that if AT&T released an update tomorrow that allowed easy rooting or at least got rid of bloatware and turned on wifi calling, that people would not flock to AT&T? Big picture...
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As above. Your looking at the small picture. Those wishes and preferences are not only those of XDA.
It's almost laughable that you are saying that a company that eliminates bloatware and possibly gives an opportunity for root would be out of business soon.
A very small example would be the fact that people are flocking to a carrier with substantially less coverage and reliability (T-Mo) because of wifi calling. A feature that AT&T and Verizon eliminated for seemingly no reason. Why? because a handful of people out of 10's of thousands might only use the device for free wifi calls versus buying service from them? How many people are going to buy a high end device averaging 650.00 to do that with? So your telling me that if AT&T released an update tomorrow that allowed easy rooting or at least got rid of bloatware and turned on wifi calling, that people would not flock to AT&T? Big picture...
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OnePlus One is the closest thing to an XDA dream phone. Let's see how well it does.
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OnePlus One is the closest thing to an XDA dream phone. Let's see how well it does.
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There are a few out actually. The biggest issue is they are all pay retail upfront. I am specifically speaking to the fact of major carriers increasing their market share / customer base and customer loyalty through standard channels and current business practices and plans offered.
But i'll bite anyway. Lets look at Oppo. A Chinese company started on a shoe string budget and prayer mostly. I don't have the time or the room to fully explain all the numbers, but suffice it to say that if they were in America they would have set or broke dozens of records concerning initial interest, market share versus time in market, profitability, units sold, % increase in sales versus time, net worth versus initial valuation, etc, etc...
And that was for full price units from an unknown Chinese company in a market full of unknown Chinese companies that all have a low initial trust rating. Multiply their numbers X 1000 for a trusted US carrier to do anything similar with a hot trusted device
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Where do you think the one plus came from. That would be from the former VP of OPPO of course. He saw those numbers for the N1 and the Find and knew you don't have to be a marketing guru to see the obvious. He left a lot of money and an incredible future with Oppo to help bring out the one plus.
bailey37821 said:
More apps to disable because AT&T must think it's funny to push bloatware OTA and label it as an update. Seriously what are they thinking?
Is there actually some marketing strategist that is so out of touch with the real world as to think that people want this crap?
It boggles the mind really that senior leadership and marketing does not troll XDA for ideas that would actually help them succeed in product management.
The 1st carrier to the gate with a device that comes with nothing but vanilla android, is not boot locked, or in any other way hindered for root would (I predict) gain a 10% market share inside of 30 days. Business 101....cater to the majority ESPECIALLY when no one else is. fu***** idiots!!! Do they not realize that we all may enjoy different apps, but that is what the app marketplace is for? Some my even want At&t's apps ( lol ) but they need to put them on the play store and let people choose. You know...democracy and all that. Maybe they think that their apps give them a leg up on their competition? Really? Seriously? An app is going to make the difference of someone choosing AT&T S5 over Verizon S5? OMG please tell me they are not stupid. (I'm long winded and redundant due to hoping De La Vega is reading this btw) Evidently they need things spelled out. I certainly hope he realizes that most normal people make carrier decisions based on price of service, coverage, speed of 4G, etc. You know; that business 101 thing again. Hey Mr. Vega; how many people do you have writing code for AT&T apps? What are you spending on that? What are you paying that marketing jack ass that told you to hire people to write code for AT&T specific apps and bloatware? I hope you get where I'm going here. My God man, take a breath, sit back, clear your mind of all the hype and confusion of the bubble your in and look at this thing from the outside. Get back to the basics and provide a product and service that people want. We dont want or need to have to take the lessor of the evils (context of who has less bloat if we want a new device). Dont believe me? Attempt to find 0.1% of your customers that just has to have one of your bundled apps. Let me know how that goes for you. In the mean time the other 99.9% of us will only be getting more frustrated.
At any rate here is some contact info for At&t. I suggest we flood them with emails and try to get directly to "ATTN. Randall L. Stephenson, Ralph De La Vega"
[email protected]
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
https://twitter.com/ATTCustomerCare
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Haha wow. Not even sure where to start. For one it's a numbers game, throw the apps out there and maybe %10 will use it, maybe even %1. That's still more people putting money in their pocket than previously. Most of the users don't care about bloatware, if anything they view it as ATT offering them more than they got originally and at most a minor annoyance. So long as it doesn't brick their device they don't care, at most they just won't use it. The idea that "if you want it then find it on the market, and then choose ours over the competition" is just silly, why leave it to chance when you can increase your odds by putting your app on their phone directly in their face? %99.9 of users are frustrated by the addition of more bloatware or are infuriated by having it at all? we all know that's not even close to true, I've never heard a friend complain that the update to their phone added more apps. If you really think any of the higher-ups are reading your rant you're delusional. Go ahead and spam them, and again if you really think that goes directly to their inbox, you're delusional. Sure it will be addressed by someone, but it won't be any of the higher ups your trying to contact. Do you really think they're tech savvy enough to even know what you're talking about? They're put in place because they know how to manage multi-billion dollar companies, not because they know the ins and outs of a cell phone.
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True in the literal sense that "people on XDA". I beg to differ though in that the general majority people would not want things shoved down their throat. All people want choice over the carriers take it or leave it attitude. In addition more and more people are becoming aware of what used to be only "for geeks". My 68 year old father for instance is fully aware of the advantages of having less apps taking up more storage and/or running in the background eating up ram and battery life when he has no need for most of them. The statement "if I wanted them loaded and running I should be able to choose that for myself" or something along those lines is growing among even the "non techies". And lets face it; I would bet that most people on XDA are the defacto come to people in their families for advice on all things electronic. Therefore even a minority can have a large effect on the majority.
BTW, I have no bubble to burst. My age, maturity, and I.Q. puts me well beyond trivial things like that.
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"shoved down their throats" is a bit of an exaggeration. They load the app on the phones, it's not like it cripples the device or stops the device from functioning unless you use it. The S5 is still a rockstar even with the bloat. I do concur that most of us here are probably the people that relatives/family go to for phone advice. However guarantee neither of my parents or any relative for that matter would care about a phone having bloatware. They want a phone that will serve a purpose and maybe they can play some games on it.
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As above. Your looking at the small picture. Those wishes and preferences are not only those of XDA.
It's almost laughable that you are saying that a company that eliminates bloatware and possibly gives an opportunity for root would be out of business soon.
A very small example would be the fact that people are flocking to a carrier with substantially less coverage and reliability (T-Mo) because of wifi calling. A feature that AT&T and Verizon eliminated for seemingly no reason. Why? because a handful of people out of 10's of thousands might only use the device for free wifi calls versus buying service from them? How many people are going to buy a high end device averaging 650.00 to do that with? So your telling me that if AT&T released an update tomorrow that allowed easy rooting or at least got rid of bloatware and turned on wifi calling, that people would not flock to AT&T? Big picture...
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They are protecting their assets. The more options you have to use a competing service the more money they lose. reduce the ability to use the competitor and you rid yourself of that chance.
That all being said I am not a fan of bloatware, at all. Nor am I agreeing with their tactics. But step into reality. They want to maximize profits and get their users to use their apps so it can be billed to them.
I do have another theory for how much the phones are locked down these days. If anyone has followed the news; they're trying to head off phone thefts, they've spiraled out of control. Easiest way to prevent someone from stealing a phone? make sure that even if it is stolen, it can't be used anywhere because it's locked down like fort knox (pun sort of intended )
Sorry for any feathers i've ruffled.
To get back on track this update has made the phone smoother and have noticed no lag where there used to be lag before. Battery life seems better too so far.
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mobilehavoc said:
To get back on track this update has made the phone smoother and have noticed no lag where there used to be lag before. Battery life seems better too so far.
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I read the AT&T update page- what i can offer. I didn't accept the last weeks security certificate and I've been going into Running apps and stopping the AT&T OTA update process on any reboot(it doesn't seem to auto-restart) and I have not gotten any alerts or been pushed the OTA since.
I'll update if this changes.
Updated and lost my s health data. All my steps lost ?
I never get any alerts and i agree to security certificates. Also i did not update yet just want to if we can revert back with Odin or if can use Kies to get back ?
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http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
The post for those too lazy to go and read it
Currently there is a way to add your google voice number to MyFaves and avoid using any minutes for almost any call.
I don't know if this is "Working as intended" or is an unplaned gaff....
Let me tell you why T-Mobile should not only let this happen, but encourage this.
I have a G1, cheapest plans possible. my bill is around 60 bucks a month...
If this MyFaves/GV trick became something i could count on here are the actions i will take with out question.
I will Buy my wife the MyTouch (canceling her current Virgin Mobile pay as u go plan)
I will change my calling plan to a "MyFaves" famlie plan
I will have unlimmited data plans on both phones.
I will cancle my current home phone (Vonage)
My T-mobile monthly bill will go from $60 a month to over $125, and it will become my and my wife's main phone lines.
Also with work/friends i am the known "Android hacker" and people listen to me...
When i tell people about this possiblity they get excited and want in on it.
T-Mobile... be the "Data Pipe" Google wants you to be, you will gain subscribers
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ekeefe41 said:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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I couldn't have said this all better myself.
To OP: Be happy with the loophole you have now. Make this mainstream and you'll see the loophole closed up nice and quick.
Here is the thing...
I personally will not do the things in my post unless i can confirm it is something i can rely on.
scenario
I buy a 2nd phone for the wife
I cancel my home (Vonage) phone line
I then begin to rely on this piggy backing as a part of my monthly finances...
BOOM
T-mobile closes the loophole.
I am stuck with an extra phone/Plan that i can't get out of....
My bill goes through the roof because these phones are now our only voice option.
Until i get a confirmation from T-Mobile i will push the issue...
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
ekeefe41 said:
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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Haha. I like your attitude!
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
It seems to me that what you need to get is one of those truly unlimited in-region calling (I think MetroPCS has something like that? Also T-Mo has the Unlimited Loyalty Plan.) You can be assured that you'll be billed a flat monthly rate that way regardless of your usage and regardless of whether or not you are routing through GV.
I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
jashsu said:
Haha. I like your attitude!
Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Please explain your self.
If i am going to agree to additional contracts, i need to know the scope of what is allowed and what is not for my own protection.
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Please explain your self.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
ekeefe41 said:
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
But thanks for trying to be insulting.
I have been using GV for almost a week now, no 8 minute, no bugs.
The service has been good enough that i am considering major changes to my service providers. A change that would give me more functionality at almost the same cost...
I am not sure i fully grasp your hostility.
Any contract i am involved with i like to know everything i can.
If that is strange to you... well that's your issue.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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I suppose it is less a petition, and more of a wish for clarification.
I know for a fact that google would like ISP's and Tel-Co to be more like a "Pipe" for data. With Google controlling as much content as they can (for advertisement $$)
This Google Voice product is a perfect example of this coming to fruition.
All you need is one TelCo jumping on board and prices come down for everyone.
Thank you for calling my post "whiny"... i was trying to make a point. I must have done a poor job.
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If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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ha ha ha!
I have like a "Quiz" day with her every once in a while.. aka, if i died could you access our bank accounts.
She Fails on a regular basis.
She does not have access to this stuff by my choice, in fact i have given it to her multiple times, multiple ways for her to remember.
She wants nothing to do with it.
It's not that i am a control freak... it's that she is lazy and does not want to concern her self with this stuff.
But yea, we have spiraled way too far in to my personal life, hehe
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I am asking people to bump the thread in the t-mobile thread... if they like the idea of this piggybacking.
I myself, for the way i treat bills and contracts, need specific clarification so i will keep pushing regardless.
If you don't agree, then don't bump the t-Mobile thread.
Ugg.... never mind.
It looks like it is official a bug (not intended)
http://devin.reams.me/free-google-voice-calls-with-t-mobile-myfaves/
UPDATE: as mentioned by Josiah in the comments, this violates this statement on T-Mobile’s website: “Your five numbers must be US domestic numbers and must not include … customers’ own numbers; and single numbers allowing access to 500 or more persons.”
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yeah but because you wont have free incoming you will have to set the gv number to show on an incoming call and add it to the fav5. long story short u will not know who i calling you unless you have that stupid press 1 to accept thing.
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That would be the big limitation
But with google voice you can listen in on the message before you pick up
yea this needs a lot of clearing up....gvoice isnt widely available
UMA
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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why dont you get a UMA phone form T-mobile, for a few bucks a month and drop your Vonage right there saves u about 25$
Has AT&T lost your loyalty?
Yes, I have returned my phone
Yes, I plan on returning my phone
Yes, I am switching carriers
Yes, I am returning my phone, but staying with AT&T off contract
No. I am satisfied
No. I am not happy, but I will see what happens
I am here to support this cause
VOTE!
Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
racrguy said:
Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
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I didn't think of that :/ I guess that falls under supporting the cause for now..
I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. My Vivid is a work phone so I'm stuck on AT&T anyway. I could return it but there is no other phone that I really want. The new LG looks nice but it seems like development sucks for LGs even with an unlocked bootloader.
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id rather stay on att cause im not a fan of verizon. att has the same coverage in cincinnati ohio, but verizon cost a little more. my trouble is, which phone should i get on sunday when i return lol
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I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. My Vivid is a work phone so I'm stuck on AT&T anyway. I could return it but there is no other phone that I really want. The new LG looks nice but it seems like development sucks for LGs even with an unlocked bootloader.
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My assumption considering the specs the LG is going to have is that it will probably get a decent reception here. At least I would hope. Time will tell.
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Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
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+ for this option. I am waiting on sideline until this issue is resolved. I am happy to keep my aria running latest cm7 nightly.
In spirit, AT&T lost me many years ago. The only reason why I'm still with them is because of my corporate policy and them not allowing me to switch to Verizon.
Believe me, if I could, I would in a heartbeat.
I will continue with AT&T.
Have you called their tech support lately? They fixed my tethering, visual cm and sms provisioning and called back the next day to ensure it was fixed.
CIQ doesn't bother me. This is a work phone. Work already has the right to monitor me. They purchased the phone and pay for the plan.
In general, I am a doer and not a whiner. If it works for me and helps me get things done and doesn't harm me, great!
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My assumption considering the specs the LG is going to have is that it will probably get a decent reception here. At least I would hope. Time will tell.
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You may be right. I'll probably give this phone another few weeks though. This is the phone I've wanted since the Holiday was first leaked.
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I will continue with AT&T.
Have you called their tech support lately? They fixed my tethering, visual cm and sms provisioning and called back the next day to ensure it was fixed.
CIQ doesn't bother me. This is a work phone. Work already has the right to monitor me. They purchased the phone and pay for the plan.
In general, I am a doer and not a whiner. If it works for me and helps me get things done and doesn't harm me, great!
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You've got to be kidding me. You're calling us whiners and not doers? Have you even been following this forum at all? Of course we have called tech support!
And this all makes sense now. The reasons you're defending them. "CIQ doesn't bother me." "It works for me and doesn't harm me" You're just selfish. Do you realize how many people are affected by CIQ? Chances are someone you know or even a family member is affected. Your "you agreed to terms" argument doesn't apply here like you tried to use in another thread. CIQ is doing things without our consent or permission! This isn't about just what affects "ME". This is about all of us and how we're being affected. Everyone has a different lifestyle and most of us don't have "work Vivids".
You don't want to participate in what we're trying to do, then don't. Want to stay with AT&T? Cool. But what's the point of trolling here? As long as we know now that you've been exposed as a selfish troll, No one really cares what you have to say.
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You've got to be kidding me. You're calling us whiners and not doers? Have you even been following this forum at all? Of course we have called tech support!
And this all makes sense now. The reasons you're defending them. "CIQ doesn't bother me." "It works for me and doesn't harm me" You're just selfish. Do you realize how many people are affected by CIQ? Chances are someone you know or even a family member is affected. Your "you agreed to terms" argument doesn't apply here like you tried to use in another thread. CIQ is doing things without our consent or permission! This isn't about just what affects "ME". This is about all of us and how we're being affected. Everyone has a different lifestyle and most of us don't have "work Vivids".
You don't want to participate in what we're trying to do, then don't. Want to stay with AT&T? Cool. But what's the point of trolling here? As long as we know now that you've been exposed as a selfish troll, No one really cares what you have to say.
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I am participating. It is just another view. I am not some occupy zombie. Talk about selfish...trying to silence another's opinion would be the epitome of selfishness.
Let me know how you have been affected by CIQ. Has something changed in your life. I am guessing not because you didn't know until someone pointed it out.
By "doing" and not whining I mean TRULY make a difference. Instead of flooding corporate sites with noise, help with investigation. Make a case. How does it affect you? What did you agree to? Have you done due diligence and reread your contract?
These things make a difference.
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I am participating. It is just another view. I am not some occupy zombie. Talk about selfish...trying to silence another's opinion would be the epitome of selfishness.
Let me know how you have been affected by CIQ. Has something changed in your life. I am guessing not because you didn't know until someone pointed it out.
By "doing" and not whining I mean TRULY make a difference. Instead of flooding corporate sites with noise, help with investigation. Make a case. How does it affect you? What did you agree to? Have you done due diligence and reread your contract?
These things make a difference.
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We helped raise awareness. That's most certainly doing something. I would love to do whatever I could. How is this occupying anything? No one is camping outside AT&T offices trying to protest.
And that's the issue. We HAD to be told that we were being monitored. So before it causes any real damage, it needs to be stopped. Just think if someone figured out that the PSN had an exploit before the the attack went down. We have the opportunity to do things we couldn't in other situations.
Until they kick me off my unlimited plan I will stay loyal. This whole Vivid situation was perfect timing in my mind. Was able to get the phone for $25 no contract so I kept it a few weeks waiting out the locked bootloader issue. Seeing that it may take awhile I sold the Vivid for $300 and bought a Galaxy Nexus HSPA+ and couldn't be happier.
Everyone, step back. OP, don't ask for opinions then complain you don't like some of those opinions. WillGill, that's pretty rude calling folks trying to do something "whiners". Which is what you did.
I believe it's important for people to shout it out when Big Brother starts to over reach. I appreciate the efforts of many here to expose and Kill CarrierIQ.
We live in a society that is becoming increasingly corrupt. Congress has made many forms of bribery completely legal, so that they can try and pretend that they're still the good guys. For the first time in history, Congress has been completely bought and paid for by those wishing to bend the system to their own selfish concerns. At the same time, the Internet has made it possible--for the first time in history--for the masses to become fully informed and fight this attack on our society.
The occupy movement is a good example of people coming together to fight terrible changes in our society, and this movement is fueled by information available on the Internet. Unfortunately, Occupy has failed miserably. If they've done anything, they've helped those people they're trying to fight. It's really too bad, they could have had a major impact had they targeted those people that actually could change the system--Congress.
We no longer hold politicians accountable for their corruption and the damage they've done to the system. We blindly accept whatever they've got to say, as long as they support a few pet causes we hold dear. Liberals--by and large--support Democrats, regardless of how huge the bribes they take are. Look at Nancy Pelosi: almost universally adored among the liberals and yet crooked beyond belief. Oh, that's right, she's not crooked. Congress has made it legal for her to accept bribes so large that they're unprecedented in history. And don't be smug conservatives, the Republicans are no better. Both sides are laughing all the way to the bank, whilst we cling to a few small issues that we feel differentiates liberals and conservatives.
As you rail against CarrierIQ, please don't forget who's sitting back and doing nothing even though they're vested with the responsibility to defend our privacy and our freedom. It's time we held congress's feet to the fire, regardless if we consider ourselves liberal or conservative.When you vote, look past whether a candidate is liberal or conservative. If they're honest, it will all work itself out. Cry out for candidates who are honest, who will fight CarrierIQ and every such intrusion into our lives. Don't accept corruption.
Nakel, you may have missed my point. All this ranting and raving without fact checking and knowing legal rights is just whining. Instead, I recommend true action.
Occupiers, by definition, are just taking up space. They change nothing other than kill park grass, leave filth, not to mention the rapes, drug deaths and deficating on cop cars. And no... I'm not making that up. Google it. That's the wrong message.
Actually what I see missing is personal responsibility.
Expect only what you pay for but feel free to negotiate more.
Know what your rights, not what you feel is "right".
Know your facts before you speak. (Like 85% of millionaires didn't inherit it)
Contribute to a true difference, not a scene.
My apologies for getting a bit OT. I would just like to be a voice of caution. Let's be sure we know if and who the dragon is before trying to vanquish it.
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Nakel, you may have missed my point. All this ranting and raving without fact checking and knowing legal rights is just whining. Instead, I recommend true action.
Occupiers, by definition, are just taking up space. They change nothing other than kill park grass, leave filth, not to mention the rapes, drug deaths and deficating on cop cars. And no... I'm not making that up. Google it. That's the wrong message.
Actually what I see missing is personal responsibility.
Expect only what you pay for but feel free to negotiate more.
Know what your rights, not what you feel is "right".
Know your facts before you speak. (Like 85% of millionaires didn't inherit it)
Contribute to a true difference, not a scene.
My apologies for getting a bit OT. I would just like to be a voice of caution. Let's be sure we know if and who the dragon is before trying to vanquish it.
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I am with you, willgill, though I have no desire to argue or reason with "grab your pitchforks and torches" mob. I do find it curious however, that this mob's anger is rather selective. They get all worked up over CIQ yet say absolutely nothing about legalized rape that is SMS fees. They worry about a cell phone watching their every step while they are already being watched and tracked, EVERYWHERE. Your ISP already monitors your web traffic. Your bank already monitors your transactions. Your supermarket, gas station, restaurant already watch you like a hawk. Your cable and satellite provides and TV networks already watch you watching TV. Every time you input a pin code in ATM, click on TV remote, write an email - you are being watched and recorded.
So relax and sleep well tonight, my fellow xda'ers. Big Brother is not only watching you; he's also watching over you. If you wish to stick with your fears and superstitions, be my guest, but please do wear a tinfoil hat while you're outside, so I can identify and avoid you.
Intriguing commentary and food for thought.
"IF" CIQ is logging your SMS, would the same people incensed by that also be livid if their cell company couldn't retrieve their texts logs for evidence in a court case?
I've seen several court cases where text message records were admitted as evidence. So people want texts archived if it benefits them but on the other hand NOT recorded?
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Anyone know anything about this?
http://www.goandroid.co.in/samsung-galaxy-s5-update-brings-performance-tweaks/37180/
quordandis said:
Anyone know anything about this?
http://www.goandroid.co.in/samsung-galaxy-s5-update-brings-performance-tweaks/37180/
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I'm curious about this too. I've been checking the updater and theres no software update available.
The screenshots in that article are for the Canadian variant -- G900W8.
It'll probably take a while for any update to get "certified" by the big @, plus I think I'm going to avoid doing software and security policy updates in case an exploit for this current version is found.
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It'll probably take a while for any update to get "certified" by the big @, plus I think I'm going to avoid doing software and security policy updates in case an exploit for this current version is found.
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I have to wonder how many full-time employees AT&T and Samsung have that do nothing but monitor the web (mostly XDA) for whatever goes on here at XDA so they can react to any potential important discoveries, mods, or developments.
scott14719 said:
I have to wonder how many full-time employees AT&T and Samsung have that do nothing but monitor the web (mostly XDA) for whatever goes on here at XDA so they can react to any potential important discoveries, mods, or developments.
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For the longest time I have thought this..............
I thought I was the only one...
I too also thought this....it had occurred to me that it would be particularly clever and prudent to have your finger on the pulse of your "power users", but then it occurred to me that because it's such a smart idea, they're guaranteed NOT to do it (keeping in line with they're history). So that's my logic....
As nefarious as that sounds, it's almost guaranteed that the engineering portions of Sammy/AT&T that are responsible for security monitor forums and social media such as this. Probably even have moles portraying themselves as ignorant users.
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As nefarious as that sounds, it's almost guaranteed that the engineering portions of Sammy/AT&T that are responsible for security monitor forums and social media such as this. Probably even have moles portraying themselves as ignorant users.
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I'm sure that engineers look at XDA and other developer/user forums out of interest or even as part of the job; but unless something directly affects Samsung or AT&T in a manner that is costing them a significant amount of money I doubt any action is made in response. Remember these are corporations, money/time is not spent chasing a relatively few users who choose modify their phones, even if it is to evade fees and/or modify a locked feature. It just doesn't make a large financial difference.
Apple certainly pursued a cease and desist strategy but I think that was mostly out of a control freak corporate culture. Other than tethering for free,what do rooting and custom ROMs actually cost AT&T or Samsung? We still buy their phones loyally and pay for the service. If it mattered enough they would take greater steps to lock stuff down, or routinely push updates to secure their devices when exploits are found.
Just my take on it - I'm a pretty paranoid dude but not in this regard. We just don't matter much to them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2721505
I know the qualcomm guys look. Lol
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TOA Duck said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2721505
I know the qualcomm guys look. Lol
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the sad thing is all those files and scripts wouldn't have provided us any solution to root or unlocking the boot loader, those were qualcomm scripts and files but only for signing the mbr/mbl nothing unfortunatley to do with unlocking it or rooting the device in any manor, the certs may have been helpfull in tricking odin in to believing a custom rom was official is the only thing that i could actually see coming out of that.
and I was a little leary of the member in the first place, he offered no tangible proof that the scripts did anything all he did was list a directory of files, and when he was asked to provide proof that he actually rooted or unlocked a bootloader he refused to respond.
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I'm sure that engineers look at XDA and other developer/user forums out of interest or even as part of the job; but unless something directly affects Samsung or AT&T in a manner that is costing them a significant amount of money I doubt any action is made in response. Remember these are corporations, money/time is not spent chasing a relatively few users who choose modify their phones, even if it is to evade fees and/or modify a locked feature. It just doesn't make a large financial difference.
Apple certainly pursued a cease and desist strategy but I think that was mostly out of a control freak corporate culture. Other than tethering for free,what do rooting and custom ROMs actually cost AT&T or Samsung? We still buy their phones loyally and pay for the service. If it mattered enough they would take greater steps to lock stuff down, or routinely push updates to secure their devices when exploits are found.
Just my take on it - I'm a pretty paranoid dude but not in this regard. We just don't matter much to them.
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One thought. Samsung and Apple are both making big enterprise plays. My company in it's BYOD program is pushing Samsung hard over other Android phones because they are more locked down with corporate policies mandating encryption and forbidding rooting/jailbreaking coming soon to my employer, I can see how a locked down phone is more attractive to them and could lead to more sales, not yet.
We're not their only market, and in the grand scheme of things, there may be more money for them going this path.
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One thought. Samsung and Apple are both making big enterprise plays. My company in it's BYOD program is pushing Samsung hard over other Android phones because they are more locked down with corporate policies mandating encryption and forbidding rooting/jailbreaking coming soon to my employer, I can see how a locked down phone is more attractive to them and could lead to more sales, not yet.
We're not their only market, and in the grand scheme of things, there may be more money for them going this path.
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What they should be doing is making business/gov contracted phone deals locked down, and leaving the consumer phones as is, that's what they should be doing. Honestly TW is pretty good now and wouldn't bother me if I couldn't flash a rom (obviously I want to), however not having root and not being able to actually delete (not just disable) bloatware is f'n annoying lol.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2721505
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Huh thats interesting. I had argued it was worthless since QC hadn't sent a takedown. May have to take another look.
I swear I read a thread about this very thing a few months back. Is anyone aware of a de-Googled ROM that keeps all/Most s-pen functions?
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there is no (good) aosp / google rom out there
spen functionalities are only on touchwiz roms. i guess google apps could be stripped easily by the devs. removing or freezing them can easily be done by the end user, alot of apps allows a user to do this. usually it is the samsung stuff that is widely removed by devs.
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spen functionalities are only on touchwiz roms. i guess google apps could be stripped easily by the devs. removing or freezing them can easily be done by the end user, alot of apps allows a user to do this. usually it is the samsung stuff that is widely removed by devs.
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I don't want to just disable, I want the whole framework gone. I'm currently on Nexus 6P running CopperheadOS, and I want to continue to have my system google free. Losing some bloatware is good too. I get what I need through F-Droid, a side load a few as necessary.
Anyway, I'll keep researching. I'm in no rush to replace my phone. I really like the Note, but I don't want to lose the greatness of the S-Pen...
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Why?
stewa2jm said:
I don't want to just disable, I want the whole framework gone. I'm currently on Nexus 6P running CopperheadOS, and I want to continue to have my system google free. Losing some bloatware is good too. I get what I need through F-Droid, a side load a few as necessary.
Anyway, I'll keep researching. I'm in no rush to replace my phone. I really like the Note, but I don't want to lose the greatness of the S-Pen...
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Have you taken a look at BK Disabler? It allows you to uninstall as well. Stripping the OS will be very difficult unless you went AOSP.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Why?
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Because I don't do Google, Apple, or Microsoft. I don't trust their policies and congress doesn't care to protect our personal data. They mine a ton of our data and make profit off of it, don't give us an opt out or opt in, and still charge is a premium anyway? No thank you.
You asked and I answered. Also, I don't care hear anyone's opinion otherwise, this is my opinion and you have yours. Let's leave it at that.
Jammol said:
Have you taken a look at BK Disabler? It allows you to uninstall as well. Stripping the OS will be very difficult unless you went AOSP.
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I'm fine with AOSP + Samsung whatever to keep the S-Pen. In all honesty, I have little hope for something functional like I want and do not have the skill to create my own ROMs at this point.
I'm also not going to pay the ridiculous amount CopperheadOS is charging for there Pixel devices. So, I'll likely go with a different android phone running AOSP and do the other security work myself... Albeit, slowly.
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stewa2jm said:
Because I don't do Google, Apple, or Microsoft. I don't trust their policies and congress doesn't care to protect our personal data. They mine a ton of our data and make profit off of it, don't give us an opt out or opt in, and still charge is a premium anyway? No thank you.
You asked and I answered. Also, I don't care hear anyone's opinion otherwise, this is my opinion and you have yours. Let's leave it at that.
I'm fine with AOSP + Samsung whatever to keep the S-Pen. In all honesty, I have little hope for something functional like I want and do not have the skill to create my own ROMs at this point.
I'm also not going to pay the ridiculous amount CopperheadOS is charging for there Pixel devices. So, I'll likely go with a different android phone running AOSP and do the other security work myself... Albeit, slowly.
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I thought CopperheadOS was also available as a custom Rom?
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I thought CopperheadOS was also available as a custom Rom?
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It was for Nexus 5x & 6P. Starting with Pixel you have to buy the device from them. I don't think they've started on Pixel 2 yet. They tack on like $300 or something.
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stewa2jm said:
Because I don't do Google, Apple, or Microsoft. I don't trust their policies and congress doesn't care to protect our personal data. They mine a ton of our data and make profit off of it, don't give us an opt out or opt in, and still charge is a premium anyway? No thank you.
You asked and I answered. Also, I don't care hear anyone's opinion otherwise, this is my opinion and you have yours. Let's leave it at that.
I'm fine with AOSP + Samsung whatever to keep the S-Pen. In all honesty, I have little hope for something functional like I want and do not have the skill to create my own ROMs at this point.
I'm also not going to pay the ridiculous amount CopperheadOS is charging for there Pixel devices. So, I'll likely go with a different android phone running AOSP and do the other security work myself... Albeit, slowly.
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Wow. Little touchy, are we? Samsung makes a very nice flip phone. Even comes with a free tinfoil hat.
Saafir said:
Jason Bourne?
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Ha ha. Not even close.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Wow. Little touchy, are we? Samsung makes a very nice flip phone. Even comes with a free tinfoil hat.
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Not touchy at all. People just love to spout opinions and tell people to wear tinfoil hats under the guise of the anonymous internet when they wouldn't have the guts to do it IRL. It gets old quick. I respect we all have opinions, so keep yours to yourself unless asked for.
Simply put, I just care about my digital data and if anyone is going to make money off of it, it should be me, or I should be given a discount on products for a companies profits on the data said products take from me.
I could get all political, bit this isn't the place. So keep your comments about tinfoil hats to yourself.
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Ha ha. Not even close.
Not touchy at all. People just love to spout opinions and tell people to wear tinfoil hats under the guise of the anonymous internet when they wouldn't have the guts to do it IRL. It gets old quick. I respect we all have opinions, so keep yours to yourself unless asked for.
Simply put, I just care about my digital data and if anyone is going to make money off of it, it should be me, or I should be given a discount on products for a companies profits on the data said products take from me.
I could get all political, bit this isn't the place. So keep your comments about tinfoil hats to yourself.
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All I asked was why. You couldve answered without getting hateful and telling people to keep their opinions to themselves. I just asked a simple question, you made assumptions about me, so you earned the tinfoil hat comment. Don't pick a fight, then get upset when one starts.
Maybe you shoyld loosen up your tinfoil hat a bit. I think its wrapped too tight.
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All I asked was why. You couldve answered without getting hateful and telling people to keep their opinions to themselves. I just asked a simple question, you made assumptions about me, so you earned the tinfoil hat comment. Don't pick a fight, then get upset when one starts.
Maybe you shoyld loosen up your tinfoil hat a bit. I think its wrapped too tight.
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Look asshat, the world isn't about you, but clearly you think it is. The comment was geared toward the inevitable troll. But you valiantly came through as the troll in true ashattery fashion and did exactly as expected. Congrats, you're a turd.
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Look asshat, the world isn't about you, but clearly you think it is. The comment was geared toward the inevitable troll. But you valiantly came through as the troll in true ashattery fashion and did exactly as expected. Congrats, you're a turd.
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Thanks! I'm honored! I worked realky hard. The fact that I was able to bother you THIS MUCH through the internet makes me feel truly accomplished. You have lifted my spirits and encouraged me for the rest of the day. Gosh, what an honor.
LOLOLOLOLOL.
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Thanks! I'm honored! I worked realky hard. The fact that I was able to bother you THIS MUCH through the internet makes me feel truly accomplished. You have lifted my spirits and encouraged me for the rest of the day. Gosh, what an honor.
LOLOLOLOLOL.
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You, sir, are most welcome.
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stewa2jm said:
Because I don't do Google, Apple, or Microsoft. I don't trust their policies and congress doesn't care to protect our personal data. They mine a ton of our data and make profit off of it, don't give us an opt out or opt in, and still charge is a premium anyway? No thank you.
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WOW! Who cares... I knew Google was an ad company when they started as a search browser in the 90's. Not a big secret. It's how they make money. You got something to hide? And how to they charge you a premium. Google apps and services are free when you buy a phone. You are just a conspiracy theorist. You need to unplug for a while...
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WOW! Who cares... I knew Google was an ad company when they started as a search browser in the 90's. Not a big secret. It's how they make money. You got something to hide? And how to they charge you a premium. Google apps and services are free when you buy a phone. You are just a conspiracy theorist. You need to unplug for a while...
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They are an advertising company. That I do not dispute. The premium I speak of is on their devices, not on their free software. And no, not a conspiracy theorist. It is simple fact that they suck up as much data as they can to make profit from said data. A business model I'm not against if I had choice in the matter. I believe that our data should be ours be default, and then we OPT IN to have it taken for their profit. If we opt in, we should get a discount on devices. Hence, why I strip all the data sucking out of my phones and do my own thing. It's a matter of simply opinion. As I noted much earlier, I don't care to hear your thoughts on my opinions. I didn't ask, so if you don't have any answers or help to give, go find another thread to troll.
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They are an advertising company. That I do not dispute. The premium I speak of is on their devices, not on their free software. And no, not a conspiracy theorist. It is simple fact that they suck up as much data as they can to make profit from said data. A business model I'm not against if I had choice in the matter. I believe that our data should be ours be default, and then we OPT IN to have it taken for their profit. If we opt in, we should get a discount on devices. Hence, why I strip all the data sucking out of my phones and do my own thing. It's a matter of simply opinion. As I noted much earlier, I don't care to hear your thoughts on my opinions. I didn't ask, so if you don't have any answers or help to give, go find another thread to troll.
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You could use a non Google email and just never sign in on your device. The apps would be there but they wouldn't do much. As long as Google services never has your email from a fresh setup you could stick to just the Samsung eco system. There is no way to completely strip out the Google framework even if you did remove all their apps. They make android so they kind of got it cornered.
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You could use a non Google email and just never sign in on your device. The apps would be there but they wouldn't do much. As long as Google services never has your email from a fresh setup you could stick to just the Samsung eco system. There is no way to completely strip out the Google framework even if you did remove all their apps. They make android so they kind of got it cornered.
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I really like the "cleanliness" (if you will) of an AOSP rom. My partner has a Galaxy S7 Edge, and Samsung's overlay is much better than previous iterations, so that I could handle. She really likes the phone too, and she's hard to please with phones.
However, it just seems that what I'm finding is that the NOTE 8 is probably not the phone that will meet my desires. I really like the design and functionality of the S-Pen, but it isn't essential. Time will tell. I'm not in a particular rush, so the search continues.
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I really like the "cleanliness" (if you will) of an AOSP rom. My partner has a Galaxy S7 Edge, and Samsung's overlay is much better than previous iterations, so that I could handle. She really likes the phone too, and she's hard to please with phones.
However, it just seems that what I'm finding is that the NOTE 8 is probably not the phone that will meet my desires. I really like the design and functionality of the S-Pen, but it isn't essential. Time will tell. I'm not in a particular rush, so the search continues.
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Yeah I know what you mean about aosp. That would be cool to have the best of the Samsung experience and aosp combined. I have found myself preferring Samsung apps over their Google counterparts.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50085630
Google's Pixel 4 support website tells customers: "Your phone can also be unlocked by someone else if it's held up to your face, even if your eyes are closed." Wow
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What kind of people or friends are you around that this is that big of a deal?
I'm sure, in a couple of updates you will probably be able to toggle that setting on or off..
Exel said:
What kind of people or friends are you around that this is that big of a deal?
I'm sure, in a couple of updates you will probably be able to toggle that setting on or off..
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Hahahahahahah. A secure biometric is supposed to be secure for a reason.
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A fix is in the works AFAIK
Are you being paid to **** on the Pixel 4? The amount of threads you're making strictly to damage this device is astounding.
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Are you being paid to **** on the Pixel 4? The amount of threads you're making strictly to damage this device is astounding.
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He's just expressing his "opinion" . lol. It really reminds me of the Sammy folks and not the iPhone crowd. They usually don't care that much because it's such a different platform. I mean there's friendly banter back and forth but not the animosity of Samsung users. I am beginning to wonder if his iPhone sig is bogus. But being paid? I never really thought of that but I suppose it's a possibility. We might want to duck incoming flames unless he moved on to another forum.
When are you expecting your phone? I'm showing a date of October 23 - 25 but I know that slips sometimes.
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He's just expressing his "opinion" . lol. It really reminds me of the Sammy folks and not the iPhone crowd. They usually don't care that much because it's such a different platform. I mean there's friendly banter back and forth but not the animosity of Samsung users. I am beginning to wonder if his iPhone sig is bogus. But being paid? I never really thought of that but I suppose it's a possibility. We might want to duck incoming flames unless he moved on to another forum.
When are you expecting your phone? I'm showing a date of October 23 - 25 but I know that slips sometimes.
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Hah, yeah now that you mention it, it does remind me of Samsung trolls. Their ferocity in voicing their hatred of competing devices is unparalleled.
Google Fi says I should receive my phone by October 24-25. I expect it to be on time. If I remember correctly my Nexus 5X and OG Pixel were right on time. I honestly can't wait, this G7 is miserable.
Guys....don't feed him....
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So this is a pixel 4 thread and while I’m speaking on the device, you guys are busy speaking about me [emoji23]. Who is t he troll?
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So this is a pixel 4 thread and while I’m speaking on the device, you guys are busy speaking about me [emoji23]. Who is t he troll?
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If there is anyone who is not a troll in this Pixel 4 forum, is you. You have devoted your last days to this Pixel 4 forum, you opened topics and posted probably more than anyone here.
So yeah, your are probably the user with more love for this phone in the forum.
But you are angry, like you were betrayed by the phone, because it doesn't tick all the boxes you want. And this is completely normal.
However, because of this anger, all your posts are 100% negative. There is not even a single positiveness, 0 balance. This puts your credibility at stake. (This is not normal).
And this is what I meant by not feeding you. It's pointless because you will keep using your time talking negative about the Pixel 4 and that's a waste of time.
Anyway, to put something "on topic" (because 99% of this thread and post are about you, and not the Pixel 4, and nobody enjoys or cares about that).
It seems this issue will be fixed in the future:
https://9to5google.com/2019/10/20/pixel-4-face-unlock-eyes/
This could take 1 month or much more. We don't know, but at least is what we got.
To me (subjective part of the post) this flaw is not critical and knowing that this will be fixed in the future, makes this much less of an issue.
The only person who has access to the phone while I'm sleeping is my lady. But she also knows my PIN so she could unlock the phone without interacting with me.
Let's put another example: If I'm sleeping in a Chalet with people I don't 100% know. I can always enable "Lockdown" before going to sleep.
But if it was critical for me and I need an upgrade urgently, then I'd move on to another phone and that's it.
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If there is anyone who is not a troll in this Pixel 4 forum, is you. You have devoted your last days to this Pixel 4 forum, you opened topics and posted probably more than anyone here.
So yeah, your are probably the user with more love for this phone in the forum.
But you are angry, like you were betrayed by the phone, because it doesn't tick all the boxes you want. And this is completely normal.
However, because of this anger, all your posts are 100% negative. There is not even a single positiveness, 0 balance. This puts your credibility at stake. (This is not normal).
And this is what I meant by not feeding you. It's pointless because you will keep using your time talking negative about the Pixel 4 and that's a waste of time.
Anyway, to put something "on topic" (because 99% of this thread and post are about you, and not the Pixel 4, and nobody enjoys or cares about that).
It seems this issue will be fixed in the future:
https://9to5google.com/2019/10/20/pixel-4-face-unlock-eyes/
This could take 1 month or much more. We don't know, but at least is what we got.
To me (subjective part of the post) this flaw is not critical and knowing that this will be fixed in the future, makes this much less of an issue.
The only person who has access to the phone while I'm sleeping is my lady. But she also knows my PIN so she could unlock the phone without interacting with me.
Let's put another example: If I'm sleeping in a Chalet with people I don't 100% know. I can always enable "Lockdown" before going to sleep.
But if it was critical for me and I need an upgrade urgently, then I'd move on to another phone and that's it.
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Blah blah blah blah blah. I didn’t bother reading your whole post.
I’m not angry but if you feel like I am and that makes you feel good then run with it. I’ll keep talking about the pixel and you can keep on talking about me
I keep opening threads about the phone, 2 of them, and I’m getting more attention from you guys then any other threads. I wonder why
This phone would have been decent if it was priced lower than it is. I made my statements and have my point of view. If you don’t like it then you’re the one who’s gonna keep on getting angry. It’s easy, ignore this thread and pretend it doesn’t exist, you’ll be okay. You don’t have to defend this device or tell me to buy another phone if I don’t like this one. I’ve been on xda for years so I’ve seen it all with you sensitive little men. Don’t go to YouTube to read comments about the pixel 4 if this thread pissed you off this much, you might have a heart attack cause it’s bad how ppl are bashing this device. And rightfully so. It is what it is
It’s still a security risk. They shouldn’t ship a phone like this in the first place, it’s supposed to be secure. Also you can’t use it for logging to bank apps and stuff as of yet which sucks. We’ll see how that goes.
The pixel 4xl is cool, the pixel 4 is robbery.
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Ok good to hear that everything is clarified
Cheers
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I'm not a proponent of one security measures over the other.
I don't see the security risk any different than a finger print scanner. Someone could just as easily place a sleeping person's finger to the scanner. There's a likely an increase in waking the person up by touching them but not guaranteed. If you've been drinking or partying the person probably wouldn't be woke up.
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Ok good to hear that everything is clarified
Cheers
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Cheers.
As far as the face unlock security issue, the patch is due “in the coming months” according to the verge.
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I'm not a proponent of one security measures over the other.
I don't see the security risk any different than a finger print scanner. Someone could just as easily place a sleeping person's finger to the scanner. There's a likely an increase in waking the person up by touching them but not guaranteed. If you've been drinking or partying the person probably wouldn't be woke up.
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I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.
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I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.
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For many, I'm sure , the fingerprint scanner or face unlock aren't deemed 'secure' enough and will just continue to use a secure pin.
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barondebxl said:
I don’t know about that. The fingerprint sensor on the galaxy series can be finicky even though it’s secured. Sometimes it requires a couple of tries. And yes you have more chances on waking the person up by trying to get into their phone like that. But that is besides the point. I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them.
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For many, I'm sure , the fingerprint scanner or face unlock aren't deemed 'secure' enough and will just continue to use a secure pin. Each person has a different security model that fits their security needs. For the vast majority of the smartphone owning population, fingerprint or face unlock technology is secure enough for them.
As you pointed out in a previous post : "I’m sure if someone tries hard enough they could get into your phone, that doesn’t mean you have to make it easier for them."
Fingerprint is a step down from a secure PIN and can be spoofed via various methods. Face unlock is a step down from a secure PIN and can be spoofed via various methods.
When faced with the decision between fingerprint and face unlock it will be a fair trade off from a security standpoint.
If security is of a major priority a strong PIN would be my suggestion.
Two things.
First, if you live in a situation where you fear for the safety of your possessions and/or physical privacy violations to the point that you cannot sleep without worry, you have a greater problem. If you think you have a significant risk of being knocked unconscious for your digital data or you may be killed for access to your phone, you need to examine your lifestyle. If you are that worried you should be using a passcode. Period.
Secondly, commenters on forums and blogs who are hyperbolic in their support or detraction of consumer products make me EXTREMELY suspicious. For almost a decade companies paying for FUD campaigns in the consumer space has been occuring, and gets cheaper and more voluminous everyday.
I urge everyone to use their heads and read about things from proven reviewers. Consider your individual needs and make the decision that's right for YOU. On the internet if someone posts that a product is "terrible", "horrible", "ripoff", "worthless", "trash", or "the worst" just because things like; certain features need improvement, or because the device isn't at a certain price point, be suspicious of the source.
I've been doing tech (professionally and privately) for a loooong time and it's obvious when something else is at play beyond an "opinion" whether it be professional or private.
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Two things.
First, if you live in a situation where you fear for the safety of your possessions and/or physical privacy violations to the point that you cannot sleep without worry, you have a greater problem. If you think you have a significant risk of being knocked unconscious for your digital data or you may be killed for access to your phone, you need to examine your lifestyle. If you are that worried you should be using a passcode. Period.
Secondly, commenters on forums and blogs who are hyperbolic in their support or detraction of consumer products make me EXTREMELY suspicious. For almost a decade companies paying for FUD campaigns in the consumer space has been occuring, and gets cheaper and more voluminous everyday.
I urge everyone to use their heads and read about things from proven reviewers. Consider your individual needs and make the decision that's right for YOU. On the internet if someone posts that a product is "terrible", "horrible", "ripoff", "worthless", "trash", or "the worst" just because things like; certain features need improvement, or because the device isn't at a certain price point, be suspicious of the source.
I've been doing tech (professionally and privately) for a loooong time and it's obvious when something else is at play beyond an "opinion" whether it be professional or private.
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Bravo, you got me I’m a paid Samsung employee! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] that’s your “professional “ opinion hahahahahha I swear to God I’m laughing so hard right now.
Well I guess there’s no need for biometric security. I’m in fear of physical violation and I cannot sleep without worry, you sir are better than Sherlock Holmes, you have totally discovered me!
Let’s switch gears, Here’s a good article about the pixel 4 battery life:
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/10/21/pixel-4-battery-life/
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Glad you're so happy about... umm whatever.
Obviously you have a problem with anything Pixel related and have a bone to pick. I'll quote myself, "It's obvious when something else is at play..."
Good luck in your search. Don't bother replying you're on my ignore list.
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Glad you're so happy about... umm whatever.
Obviously you have a problem with anything Pixel related and have a bone to pick. I'll quote myself, "It's obvious when something else is at play..."
Good luck in your search. Don't bother replying you're on my ignore list.
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