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Hi guys,
I have a HTC tilt and overnight something wierd happened to it. I switched it on and its was scrolling through the home tab by itself and now thats fixed but its scrolling through all the options in the start menu when it is opened. I flashed a new rom to it, but the same problem persists. When i press the power button to send the phone into suspend mode, the screen switches back on in 2 seconds. I would really appreciate if you guys could help me out. Thanks
check if ur jog wheel on the right hand side is stucked or what. that the only thing I can think of whoich scrolls without u touching.
I have tried that, it doesnt seem to be the problem because when its scrolling and i press any other button, it stops scrolling till the phone is on. But when i put it in suspend mode and it switches back on, the same problem. I dont know what could be causing this problem.
then i think its like a circuit problem or something, cause it means that something is being pressed at all times on a board, which excites screen and scrolling . did u put it in ur pocket and sat tight or something ! j/k
and u also said that it persists even with change of rom, so I think it might be a hard ware problem !
hmm..it did fall down like a week ago, but the problem just showed up last night. Do you think i should open it up and check it out from the inside. But if something is being pressed at all times then the pressing of a button shouldnt stop the scrolling and the phone shouldnt come out of standby by itself.
rashidali_88 said:
hmm..it did fall down like a week ago, but the problem just showed up last night. Do you think i should open it up and check it out from the inside. But if something is being pressed at all times then the pressing of a button shouldnt stop the scrolling and the phone shouldnt come out of standby by itself.
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okay if it is in warranty dont open it up, even if isnt in warranty,uless u know how to fix it dont open it.
okay, so in first post u said, it was scrolling on home plugin and u stopped it. can u let me know how ?
well i just played around with it a little bit, did a couple of soft resets and took out the battery put it back in, and then did a hard reset. With that it stopped scrolling on the home plugin but then i cliked the start menu and it was scrolling there, then i flashed the rom and it was scrolling through everything i opened, contacts menu options and what not. It only stopped when i pressed a button and then it was fine till i didnt put it in suspend mode. After i put it in suspend mode it switches back on with 2 sec and the same situation. When i leave the screen on, it switches after some time but the QWERT keyboard under it is always on as in you can see the lights on from the small space.
anything, anyone, i did find a temporary fix, it i went into flight mode and switched on the wireless and the bluetooth. The pda remained in suspend mode and the automatic scrolling stopped. But I need a permanent fix.
This has been the most unhelpful forum EVER....
according to what you say it appears that problem is caused by your radio (radio) rom
try different radio first
try different rom second
best wishes,,
rashidali_88 said:
anything, anyone, i did find a temporary fix, it i went into flight mode and switched on the wireless and the bluetooth. The pda remained in suspend mode and the automatic scrolling stopped. But I need a permanent fix.
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I have tried doing that, i changed from Duttys Hybrid Rom to the HTC tytn rom and i m pretty sure that changed the radio too...But i still have the same problem. I have heard theres a fix by ATT for the tilt when it does something like this, but i cant find it.
Any Help ?
not really try the xda wiki section
i never heard of that fix but try it - you dont have much choices
good luck
I just purchased a Tilt yesterday and I'm having the exact same problem. Sorry I don't have any answers but just wanted to let you know it's not just you. I'm planning on just exchanging the phone tomorrow since obviously no one has any clue what the problem is. Anyway...good luck friend.
Pez
Hey,
Ya i have heard of these cases, apparently ATT has a fix for it, could you be kind enough to ask them for the fix. I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.
yah i have the same problem as of the past few days if anyone can find this fix let me know please.
any news anyone ?
so now my phone wont hit the down button that much ne more its just the up button now, so im beginning to think its not hardware issue
Guys, i have a Diamond, but, yesterday the diamond turn off, and don´t turn on, i tried to do a soft and hard reset and nothing, i tried to enter in bootmode and nothing, when i put the battery the screen turn on, and the diamond vibre, but nothing else, what i can do??
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Guys, i have a Diamond, but, yesterday the diamond turn off, and don´t turn on, i tried to do a soft and hard reset and nothing, i tried to enter in bootmode and nothing, when i put the battery the screen turn on, and the diamond vibre, but nothing else, what i can do??
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what did you do *before* your diamond stopped turning on?? unless you had a completely unpredicted system meltdown of your diamond for injecting it with super high voltage. it is rare for it to not power off unless you did something ... so please elaborate so we can assist better.
Ok, yesterday i use the phone like anothe normal day, in the night i turn off the phone, and in the morning, when i tried to turn on, i have this problem, for example, when a tried to do a soft, hard reset, the screen is in black, when a conect the phone to the usb the screen is black, is, i left the phone alone, in 3 minutes the black screen again, i don´t know why.
any LED activity when plugged into USB?
I think it is a major manufacture problem
I had the same problem, taking out the battery waiting a while and inserting it back, will solve the problem for some time but it will happen again.
Finally I sent it to the HTC support center.
I don't understand why HTC didn't recall.
If you'll search this forum you'll see the same problem in different stages, some times it's a blank screen but the phone will ring and some are just freeze.
Hi, I've had my Diamond for about a month soon and it started earlier this week by not wanting to come on at all. Been taking out the battery for a few days but eventually got fed up and did a hardware reset tonight. Not long after that it just suddenly turned itself off and I couldn't get it back on again. I thought I'd pack it back into the box it came in and send it back tomorrow and took out the sim card. After that it came to life again.
Happened to get a call after that and that call was suddenly disconnected without any reason.
So I am not very happy with this phone at the moment. Would appreciate any advice or if you know for sure it can't be sorted maybe I should send it back and ask for another one?
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Nothing, but one time the pc detect the phone, but later nothing.
No Led activity either on mine when it went dead.
When the Phone goes dead, try cooling the phone down as much as possible, and try starting it up again.....
There is a problem with the HTC Diamond in that it can cook itself (excessive heat), due to the auto over temp function crashing and not switching off the phone..... (That's what I have been told at least...)
I know over around 5 Diamonds so far that have had this issue, where the symptoms slowly get worse...
Have a look at this thread....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2905775#post2905775
PLEASE P.M. me if you have any of the symptoms described in the thread...
I have been TRYING to get my Diamond fixed under warranty now for 2 months with little success... And I kinda need to know how wide spread this problem is to proceed any further.
could not turn on after blank screen ...
Hello,
I've had the same issue as rmorera, and after I hard reseted the phone all went o.k.. BUT after I reinstalled part of the small apps I use, the phone started to go off again. So, the problem seems to be in the software ...
I believe the cause might be the SRS WOW which I use. I installed the .cab, then the .reg file provided (ufortunatelly I don't remember from which thread I got the files ...). And shortly after, the phone stopped working. I uninstalled the software, and now it works! Could it be that the SRS WoW did this?
I tried to reinstall the SRS WoW and I found that if enabled for "Internal (Stereo)" instead of "Headphones" it gets my phone shut when the WM blanks the screen. If I select the "Headphones" options the issue seems to disappear.
Still, the SRS WoW damages the volume buttons action, but I think this issue is on another thread ...
Greetings,
I'm not experienced with android devices, so i thought i'd ask here first before trying to do anything.
Since a few months ago some weird things started happening to my X8 - random display glitches and blackouts at completely random intervals (sometimes one or even two a day, sometimes it can last two or more weeks w/o an incident, i haven't figured out any relation yet).
Glitches manifest in distorted view on screen - shifted up/down/sideways - or colored graphics artefacts - up to completely bizarre patterns of random-colored pixels covering the whole screen. Weirdly enough, pushing power button as if to lock the screen usually alleviates the issue, sometimes i need to do it few times to remove completely, but it works. Touchscreen works fine, but i need to tap the "right" spot on the screen, not where it's displayed on the screen ("right" as in where the element is when the screen is not glitching).
The other issue (may be related) i'm having with the phone is random screen "blackouts" - the screen goes completely black and the power button cycling doesn't help - but the phone still reacts to screen input (i.e. i can unlock the screen by dragging the slider, launch app, start/stop music playback and so on). I can see the backlight on, so it's definitely screen/gfx hardware issue, not backlight. If i try to reboot the phone, it hangs on either shutdown or boot up. Removing the battery, placing it back and booting the phone up doesn't help - it vibrates as usual, i see the backlight go up, but screen stays black and i can't interact with the phone even if i leave it there for a few minutes (which is more than enough for it to boot up - it usually takes ~30 seconds till full boot). Also the backlight won't go off. It usually helps to boot normally if i hit the phone with a palm on the back side and/or leave it alone for a while. This issue is much more rare (only had it three times), but it puts the phone out of service for a while, so it's an issue for me.
Now, the device info:
Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 E15i
015 baseband
10W44
Unlocked bootloader
Alfs8 kernel (2.6.29.6-Alfs v08a 24/03/2012)
GingerDX v026 ROM
No cpu tweaks done, cpu governor "ONDEMAND", cpu speeds 122-600.
The glitches started when i was still using the older version, GindgerDX v013 with locked bootloader, i have done factory reset and flashed a new version with new kernel (and unlocked the loader along the way), but apparently it did not help fix the issues.
I can't provide and screenshots/photos of the issue because the only camera i have access to at most times when it happens is my phone one and, obviously, i can't use that in this case
The question is: can i still try to fix it by myself (i can do it if it doesn't involve disassembling the phone completely - i don't have the screwdrivers required) by software tweaks or other techniques or should i reflash stock kernel/rom, apply for warranty and hope they find the defect and fix it? I really do like the phone. Or, maybe, you have encountered anything resembling these issues and may shed some light on what's happening.
Appreciate any input in trying to figure out and fix this.
Thank you if you have read all this even if you can't help me, cheers!
1st problem could be 'Screen Cut' issue which is solved using kernel without FPS Cap...
2nd problem usually happens on my phone with miniCM9 3.0.2 but shows splash and boot animation...
Can you see the splash screen and the bootanimation? Because my friends' Xperia Ray has the issue on official firmware... so it could be hardware damage...
Try unlocking the screen then press the power button then press it again...
and also try flashing the stock firmware... If it doesn't work... I think you should live with it...
Sounds like a hardware problem to me. Reflash stock kernel and ROM and full wipe and then flash a different ROM and see it it still happens. If it does I think it is advisable to send it to Sony for repair.
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Thanks for your replies, i'll try reflashing the stock rom and see if it still happens.
@Lily48: no, no splashcreen or boot animation, just black screen and visible backlight.
I have the same problem and I checked it many times and my conclusion is....ITS A HARDWARE PROBLEM NOT SOFTWARE..
KASHYAP9 said:
I have the same problem and I checked it many times and my conclusion is....ITS A HARDWARE PROBLEM NOT SOFTWARE..
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Well, notify me if you find a solution, thanks
Sorry for double post, but this is important update:
My phone died this morning with the permanent black screen syndrome. Until i rebooted i could use it to receive phone calls or even listen to music (i knew where to touch to activate the features). However it would not boot sompletely after restart, even if i leave it for ~hour. Connecting to flashtool showed that it does boot to a certain stage, but no GUI (for user interaction with haptic feedback) available - the flashtool does show that device connected with usb debugging enabled.
I reflashed the stock ROM, now it's apparently stuck in some sort of bootloop - it keeps on connecting and disconnecting. But the screen is still black, with backlight. If i remove the battery, replace it and just connect to pc w/o trying to boot on, it acts normally as if trying to charge - backlight activates for a few seconds if i touch a key and green led is lit, but still the screen is black.
I will RMA it tomorrow, thanks for help, hopefully i'll get a new one, or they'll repair this one so it does not glitch on me again. Anyway it was/is a good phone, i absolutely love it.
Wish me luck =]
Aessaya said:
Sorry for double post, but this is important update:
My phone died this morning with the permanent black screen syndrome. Until i rebooted i could use it to receive phone calls or even listen to music (i knew where to touch to activate the features). However it would not boot sompletely after restart, even if i leave it for ~hour. Connecting to flashtool showed that it does boot to a certain stage, but no GUI (for user interaction with haptic feedback) available - the flashtool does show that device connected with usb debugging enabled.
I reflashed the stock ROM, now it's apparently stuck in some sort of bootloop - it keeps on connecting and disconnecting. But the screen is still black, with backlight. If i remove the battery, replace it and just connect to pc w/o trying to boot on, it acts normally as if trying to charge - backlight activates for a few seconds if i touch a key and green led is lit, but still the screen is black.
I will RMA it tomorrow, thanks for help, hopefully i'll get a new one, or they'll repair this one so it does not glitch on me again. Anyway it was/is a good phone, i absolutely love it.
Wish me luck =]
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It is a hardware problem and Sony Service Center is the last option you have.. if your X8 is in warranty period.
I did the same and they replaced its display with new one.
Hello, reporting back in:
Just got my X8 back, it really was a hardware problem. They changed the screen now it works as good as new =]
Thanks everyone for support
I have searched this exact title and came up with 10 pages and I never saw anyone else with this problem. Surely I cannot be the only one.
After the Gingerbread upgrade I was getting the tethering message/force close, during that time my phone started to randomly shut off ( settle down Beavis, this isn't the same question thats been asked a thousand times ) and reboot. I lived with the tethering message problem for as long as I could but my phone became more ignorant day by day. I finally found a fix for the tethering issue and haven't had a return problem with that but now my phone either stays in standby mode ( dark screen ) and refuses to respond to the hard button to wake it up OR once on it refuses to go into standby mode and stays on until I pop the battery or I go into settings and time the screen out in 15 seconds ( often times this doesn't shut it down either ). Sometimes I can get it to come on by multiple pressing the power button ( this can't be healthy ) and the lock screen will flash momentarily just long enough for me to unlock the screen. Other times it will go to the lock screen while I'm in the middle of something.
Every day at some point while it's on and I'm using it, the power button option screen pops up ( silent mode, flight mode, power off ). When I'm done with a call I try to go into standby and it just sets there...ON.
The thought has crossed my mind that the button doesn't work or has a short but I really think it's something else ( I hope ). Can somebody help me? I am not very techie although I have updated the phone three times myself. It is unrooted and 2.3.5
Thank you in advance
I would go with the power button. It's a known issue on captivate.
mrhaley30705 said:
I would go with the power button. It's a known issue on captivate.
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I stopped by the AT&T store the other day to check on insurance (ends up I didn't have it) and told them about my button not working properly and how the Captivate was notorious for this problem and they all said "We've never heard that". So the gadget gal is in there so she offers to take it apart and check it. She claims there isn't anything wrong with it and that it has the same amount of spring as the volume buttons. She then noticed that when she put the battery back in the phone came on automatically, I said it's not supposed to do that and she agreed but fortunate for me since I cannot turn it on. She then says I'm eligible for an upgrade and try's to sell me a new phone. I don't want a new contract.
So should I try and buy a new button and change it or could it be something else? Thank you in advance.
Are you using a case for your phone by any chance? If yes, is it too tight? Maybe the power button gets stuck because of that sometimes? Just a long shot! You stated that power menu pops up once in awhile when you're using it, is it possible that the way you grip the phone causes that? (Just trying to help and not trying to offend you btw.)
You might want to try flashing UCKK4 with bootloader(use it from the one click master collection of stock rom's) just to make sure that there is no issue with the firmware. It is not likely to fix your problem but it's good to have a clean start. At least that's what I would do to begin with.
Since you're willing to change the power button, why not do an experiment? Remove the power button and see if there is any change? If it works fine then it's the power button that's faulty else it's a hardware problem.
Left my phone plugged in over night like a I always do. Woke up today and tried to turn the screen on but there was nothing. It wouldn't come on. Pressed the power button over and over but nothing. Tried a three finger reboot. Felt it vibrate signalling it rebooted. Still no screen.
Removed my bumper case to make sure I was pressing the button all the way down. Was able to get the little vibrate signal that the power menu prompt popped up but still no screen. Held the power button for 30 seconds. Still nothing.
Finally held down power button + volume up and the device rebooted and the boot animation came up. Screen works fine again.
So I guess the point of this post is to let people know my sets in case the encounter this problem. Hopefully it works for you as well and you don't have to send your device back.
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Left my phone plugged in over night like a I always do. Woke up today and tried to turn the screen on but there was nothing. It wouldn't come on. Pressed the power button over and over but nothing. Tried a three finger reboot. Felt it vibrate signalling it rebooted. Still no screen.
Removed my bumper case to make sure I was pressing the button all the way down. Was able to get the little vibrate signal that the power menu prompt popped up but still no screen. Held the power button for 30 seconds. Still nothing.
Finally held down power button + volume up and the device rebooted and the boot animation came up. Screen works fine again.
So I guess the point of this post is to let people know my sets in case the encounter this problem. Hopefully it works for you as well and you don't have to send your device back.
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I had a similar situation where I was toggling my nexus 4s brightness settings and when you have it at the darkest setting it is pitch black. Like there's no light on at all. I just had to hit the spot that I did before and bring the light settings back up. So maybe you can boot it up unlock it on the blank screen and two finger pull down and try pressing the light toggle?
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I had a similar situation where I was toggling my nexus 4s brightness settings and when you have it at the darkest setting it is pitch black. Like there's no light on at all. I just had to hit the spot that I did before and bring the light settings back up. So maybe you can boot it up unlock it on the blank screen and two finger pull down and try pressing the light toggle?
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it was at ten percent brightness and the screen was completely unresponsive as far as i could tell. doing the power + volume up press made it reboot and return to normal.
efan3719 said:
Left my phone plugged in over night like a I always do. Woke up today and tried to turn the screen on but there was nothing. It wouldn't come on. Pressed the power button over and over but nothing. Tried a three finger reboot. Felt it vibrate signalling it rebooted. Still no screen.
Removed my bumper case to make sure I was pressing the button all the way down. Was able to get the little vibrate signal that the power menu prompt popped up but still no screen. Held the power button for 30 seconds. Still nothing.
Finally held down power button + volume up and the device rebooted and the boot animation came up. Screen works fine again.
So I guess the point of this post is to let people know my sets in case the encounter this problem. Hopefully it works for you as well and you don't have to send your device back.
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Mine did that once too. Exact same thing happened. I was starting to get the feeling in my stomach where my phone had just died and then I hit a random set of buttons and saw the Google logo appear. Must be a software bug.
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Mine did that once too. Exact same thing happened. I was starting to get the feeling in my stomach where my phone had just died and then I hit a random set of buttons and saw the Google logo appear. Must be a software bug.
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exactly the same here. felt like i had dropped a baby on it's head haha. i wish i knew a way to figure out what caused it.
My wife and I have been having the same issue, and I'm surprised that there's not more reports of this behavior The worst part is that I use my phone as an alarm, and the alarm won't go off if this happens in the night.
It has happened to me 3 times now, and 2 times in one day for my wife. Holding down the power button for ~20 seconds will cause the reboot, which is the good news. This morning after holding down the power button I noticed the notification light flashing red.
The phone appears to be still on, because if it happens overnight I will still see the white notification light flashing even though the screen won't turn on.
I had this problem on faux123 kernel on the second day after I got my Nexus 4.
Doesn't encounter it on franco.Kernel...
Sleep of death brozillas! Happens to all android phones. Happened to all my phones listed in my signature. You can reboot the device and you should be good. For the dude that's missing his alarm you should do a factory reset if you are stock or if you have root do not set your min cpu values to less than 3xx MHz.
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Same thing happened to me on my N4. Did a hard reboot and it came back on. Has happened at least twice since then, usually after being plugged in.
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Change chargers, cables. Make sure the charger is 5v 1.2a. Factory reset to stock.
If all that fails, RMA if you can.
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I observed the same issue (going to standby, then cannot switch on within an hour) with my [just bought] Nexus 4 (latest 4.2.2 firmware OTA updated, nothing special in setup, second day of use).
Certainly must be difficult to say if it's hardware of software (that is, JB/drivers, since I cannot see how such issue can be caused by any virtual machine application) and when/if the latter will be fixed. I have another such great device already -- ASUS TF700 transformer, with similar "everything works, just reboots occasionally", which I think is enough for me
As with the ASUS Transformer case, I have trouble understanding: if it's the issue with all devices/firmware, although not too frequent -- then why everybody does not complain/return the units massively: the phone is pretty unusable if it cannot be relied upon. If it's just some isolated cases with particular units -- then what happened to QA/testing at LG...
So I guess I am going to return it while I can.
Too bad, good model otherwise, will have to see other phones or wait/observe.
My point is, I understand: fairly new device, can have quite a few faults to be fixed later -- now everybody seem to work that way, for better or worse.
It can have more or less beautiful (or ugly) designs, more or less features, larger or smaller batteries/working time; it can have problems with data connectivity, it can have better or worse browser (or the lack thereof completely). I'm fine with the lack of text reflow in Chrome although that was surprising.
One thing a phone/communicator/PDA absolutely cannot do, provided its battery is not empty, is going into "sleep of death"-like states -- it just cannot serve its purpose then, I cannot see how people sell it at all...
I have had a similar issue before, but i have experienced it when my phone has been through one of 2 sets of scenarios.
1 - It gets really warm and the screen becomes unresponsive, dead if you will. The hard reboot fixes this.
2 - When the signal to my phone is sporadic. An example of this would be my recent trip to London. I was on the underground quite a lot, and I'd lose signal quite often whilst travelling. On a couple of occasions i had to reboot my phone the hard way to get it going again.
Hope this helps?
In my case the device was lying near me on the sofa, the time between its going to standby and my attempt to switch it on was something within 1 hour. Nothing especially intensive had been done before.
BTW, while the phone was in that state, trying to call it resulted in long tones, i.e., apparently the radio/cell was online.
Hope this will help somebody, I returned mine.
Good evening. First post but long time lurker. My N4 is unrooted and on 4.2.2. I'm troubled with this as well especially so when the alarm doesn't ring in the morning after it's crashed overnight and I'm late for work!
Not sure if this is relevant though. I don't listen to music frequently on my N4 but the 3 times it had crashed overnight I had been listening to music before going to bed. Twice using Google music being streamed via my home wifi and once using poweramp with music on internal memory. I remember on 2 occasions the phone feeling rather hot as I was plugging the charger in as I was about to turn in.
I suspect there's a process that's causing the the phone to overload/ overheat and then switch off as a result. Because it's plugged in, it'll just continue to charge overnight and present you with a 100% battery in the morning once you've got it to reset again.
I have also found that doing a soft reset before going to bed prevents this from happening.
Just my observations.
Hi all, I got my Nexus 4 a week ago to replace a broken HTC One X (The cost of repairs was almost equal to the cost of a new Nexus 4). Since I got it, SoD happened twice, both times when I left it to charge overnight. The weird thing is that I have this LED application that blinks the notification light when charging with screen off. When I unplugged the phone, the LED was still blinking as if charging, so the phone is definitely not dead. I will try to set it to day-dream while charging and see if it helps. If it does, it might be considered a way of Google encouraging developers (like myself) to create more daydream apps .
Good morning from beyond the pond,
had the same thing happening as described in the first post solution (pressing POWER+VOL UP) helped to reboot my device.
Only thing that was showing was the led, flashing a blueish white light.
Now runs again on rasbeanjelly. Thanks to OP.
EDIT: since this happened the first time, I thought about what I had altered in my setup.
Only thing that was new was "Greenify". Maybe it sent the APEX launcher into standby?!
Having same problem on my 1 week older n4, my friend having the same problem . only thing in commune we have is the WHATSAPP app that once the phone restart it give a notification that the phone date is wrong,once I look at the date settings yes it is wrong, it says 1970 ,so I have to reset it. It does it every time the problem happens ,can this be a clue???
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it says 1970
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UNIX equivalent of Pol Pot's year zero
I'm having similar problems.
The first time I believe it was just an issue of slight overheating. I turned off the screen but left Google Maps running & put it in my bag. It didn't actually turn off, but the screen didn't want to come on when I took it out later. I did notice it was hot, and after it cooled for a couple mins, it worked fine again. I haven't done this again, and so far, so good.
However, now, on occasion the phone won't respond to the power button. I've never had to actually do a reset - it will eventually decide to work after a couple of presses.. but when it does, it will be slow to come on. The screen will be backlit (but black) for a few seconds, then it will load and respond as normal.
Since the light comes on prior to the screen, it seems like a software rather than hardware issue to me. If the screen was damaged, I don't think it would act that way. I don't know phones, but that's my intuition. I'm going to try and remember to turn it off on occasion and see if that helps. I don't think it's been reset since the last push update.
(I'm rooted, but stock)