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I've seen threads with this issue or that issue, but no single thread yet dedicated to issues that have cropped up for HTC Vivid users since the ICS OTA update.
I run stock-- No root, no custom rom, just stock the way it came from AT&T.
The phone has been wonderful. Battery standby time was phenomenal (on a full charge, I could expect to take my phone to work around 6:30 am, and see a minimum 60% to 75% left when I got home around 5:30 pm). I never experienced random reboots, crashes, etc.
Then I updated OTA to the new ICS using standard AT&T procedure-- This would be the official release, downloaded and installed last week.
Now, if I reboot the phone, I have to wait while it installs updates it already had when I installed ICS. This is a minor incovenience, but annoying.
I also see noticeably less standby time. I'm lucky now to have 50% left when I get home from work.
Most alarming, though, is the nightly crash on the charger. My dad is in and out of the hospital with heart issues, so turning off my phone to charge it isn't really an option. Every night since I updated, my phone random reboots on the charger (last night it did it twice).
So now I'm seriously wondering:
(1) Is anyone else having these new issues since updating to the official ICS release?
(2) Is there some way I can "downgrade" to the more stable version my phone had before (the extra features and tweaks aren't worth the tradeoff for stability and standby time)?
Thanks to any and all who take the time to consider this post and reply accordingly.
Why not try downloading the official RUU since you are still locked,
http://www.htc.com/us/support/vivid-att/downloads/ and install it
sounds like something scewed up when you uploded the OTA update via phone.
A little more detail...
I think it's important to note that these random reboots I've been getting since upgrading to ICS are only partially random.
They only happen when the phone is on the charger and "on." I recall a "charge death" issue with my old Samsung Captivate that perhaps I'm experiencing now with the upgraded HTC Vivid?
I know the obvious workaround is to charge it before going to bed, take it off the charger, then top it off the following morning. Perhaps I'll try that before doing the upgrade over again using the RUU. It's perplexing due to when it happens-- I know the phone doesn't require a full 3.5 hours to charge from, say, 35%, so it's some sort of charger keep-alive that must be forcing the reboot.
I'm still curious, though, to learn if anyone else is having these exact same issues after upgrade.
Thanks, Pumpiron579, for your suggestion! I've just downloaded the RUU and have it ready when I decide to try the update again.
I've upgraded to the latest ICS from AT&T and am not experiencing any of the reboot issues that you're speaking of. I put my Vivid on a charging dock and it goes into doc mode and is that way when I wake up in the morning. I even have it trip an alarm at 7AM. If it's rebooting overnight, I'm not aware of it. In GB there was a screen that told you the up time and sleep time. I can't find it on ICS otherwise I could confirm whether or not it is rebooting overnight.
As for battery life, it doesn't appear to be any worse than GB for me and for today, It's been on the battery over 1.5 hrs and still at 100% battery.
mug318ca said:
I've upgraded to the latest ICS from AT&T and am not experiencing any of the reboot issues that you're speaking of. I put my Vivid on a charging dock and it goes into doc mode and is that way when I wake up in the morning. I even have it trip an alarm at 7AM. If it's rebooting overnight, I'm not aware of it. In GB there was a screen that told you the up time and sleep time. I can't find it on ICS otherwise I could confirm whether or not it is rebooting overnight.
As for battery life, it doesn't appear to be any worse than GB for me and for today, It's been on the battery over 1.5 hrs and still at 100% battery.
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Menu - Settings - Power - Battery Use
Select the Up time counter for more details
Thanks for that, homeslice, but I don't see overall up time. With GB, there was some counter that could show the hundreds of hours that it has been up since the last reboot.
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Thanks for that, homeslice, but I don't see overall up time. With GB, there was some counter that could show the hundreds of hours that it has been up since the last reboot.
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I've never paid too much attention to this...but when you go in and click on the battery time underneath the battery level, there's another uptime below the graph that i figured was total uptime?
I updated with the RUU and have had no problems with my phone what so ever, I have had no reboots when chargeing and the battery life is about the same for my phone.Also my phone is stock with bootloader locked.
My battery life seems to be about the same. However, I am getting a better LTE signal - 3 bars vs 1-2 bars before the upgrade.
The one thing that I've found to be an irritation is that before the upgrade, any photos attached to emails were automatically saved in a folder accessible by the Gallery. After the upgrade, they are saved in the Downloads; and that folder is not accessible from the Gallery. I have to use a file manager program like Astro to manually move the photo file to one of the Gallery accessible folders.
If there's a way to fix this, I would be all ears.
Battery life sucks after ICS upgrade
after I upgraded to ICS my batter life sucks, it used to come for a day, now its reaching 15% before evening.
Is this a known issue, is there a way to get a better battery life
Thanks
everything is fine fore me except the android is upgrading part every power on.
is that a problem?
houstonsveryown said:
everything is fine fore me except the android is upgrading part every power on.
is that a problem?
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It's not a problem but a feature for all ICS installations.
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It's not a problem but a feature for all ICS installations.
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As far as I can tell you get the android is upgrading/optimizing every time dalvik cache is cleared..which from what I can tell happens on every reboot with a Rom that's not deodexed..like the stock Roms. Get on a Rom that's been deodexed and this won't happen. Otherwise enjoy the feature lol
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Sorry to hear about the random reboots, and I hope a solution comes around. I personally have found no reboot issues at all. There is a problem with using Bluetooth hands free though, you can't press the call button on the device to make a voice call because Android removed the voice dialer so now you just hear a beep.
In regards to your battery, install Advanced Task Killer from the market. In the settings, set up the recommended kill list, the aggressiveness, and activate auto kill. I've been using it for a while and i can go all day with Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Pandora, and other apps. After 10+ hours at work i get home with 35-40% battery still. Hope this helps. It also has a widget you can out on a homescreen so you can simply click and it kills what you set up already.
I used to have some random reboots in GB, turned to be an app or a widget that caused the problem. I did then a wipe amd installed minimal apps that I needed and didn't have the problem anymore. Then I started to install other apps one by one monitoring which one might be the problem, but I couldn't replicate it nomore. It was in the same time I experienced multiple (if not all of them) launchers and widgets so I don't even remember what I really had on it. This also might be for battery life too. Now I only use sense and the stock widgets and adw ex once in a while, I have >180 apps installed and no reboots and also battery life is very good.
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Twice while streaming pandora over bluetooth I've had the phone just die. My music shuts off, screen is off, phones not responding, have to pull the battery. Also I've had issues with music skipping on bluetooth. Also third party apps won't show contact pictures that rely on Facebook. Worked fine before the
Update. Im considering wiping it and reinstalling everything.
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Total newbie...delete if necessary
Downloaded the update last night and haven't sleep trying to fix this (OCD )...
I cannot see any updates on FriendStream event though I have my FB account linked to it.
I removed my FB account from "Accounts & Sync" synced it again received a notification "Allow HTC sense to access your FB account" and before Im able to click it the program keeps running and adds my FB account. Go to FriendStream and nothings there...
Found my issue
I have uninstalled few apps, seems to be that drained my batteries all day, now it looks better
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WirelessMike said:
I've seen threads with this issue or that issue, but no single thread yet dedicated to issues that have cropped up for HTC Vivid users since the ICS OTA update.
I run stock-- No root, no custom rom, just stock the way it came from AT&T.
The phone has been wonderful. Battery standby time was phenomenal (on a full charge, I could expect to take my phone to work around 6:30 am, and see a minimum 60% to 75% left when I got home around 5:30 pm). I never experienced random reboots, crashes, etc.
Then I updated OTA to the new ICS using standard AT&T procedure-- This would be the official release, downloaded and installed last week.
Now, if I reboot the phone, I have to wait while it installs updates it already had when I installed ICS. This is a minor incovenience, but annoying.
I also see noticeably less standby time. I'm lucky now to have 50% left when I get home from work.
Most alarming, though, is the nightly crash on the charger. My dad is in and out of the hospital with heart issues, so turning off my phone to charge it isn't really an option. Every night since I updated, my phone random reboots on the charger (last night it did it twice).
So now I'm seriously wondering:
(1) Is anyone else having these new issues since updating to the official ICS release?
(2) Is there some way I can "downgrade" to the more stable version my phone had before (the extra features and tweaks aren't worth the tradeoff for stability and standby time)?
Thanks to any and all who take the time to consider this post and reply accordingly.
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I am having the same issue. I am working with HTC on this issue. I have no idea what is causing this. You will find that it does it more frequently, not only when it is charging.
WirelessMike said:
So now I'm seriously wondering:
(1) Is anyone else having these new issues since updating to the official ICS release?
(2) Is there some way I can "downgrade" to the more stable version my phone had before (the extra features and tweaks aren't worth the tradeoff for stability and standby time)?
Thanks to any and all who take the time to consider this post and reply accordingly.
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So are we able to go back to the Original Stock/Shipped Rom if we don't like this update?
I saw some things I liked about it in the recent reviews, but others that I didn't.
hi all..
2 weeks ago I finally bought my very first android based HH, GNOTE...currently I'm running on ICS LPF Taiwan unroot, and very love it. one of my concern on this ICS, is the battery drain so much, considering it just sit on my pocket.
i have CPU Spy and BBS Installed, and found that it just Deep Sleep 48% and 200MHz 37 %. Kernel Wakelock is "multipdp" 25% Power Manager Services 21,2% and secril_fd-interface 19.25.
could you please tell me what causing this battery drain so much..?
The best thing that you could do is do a Factory Reset, but with all the bricking problems it's highly discouraged. I don't recognise the processes, but you should make sure that you deleted all the apps you never use, since one of then could be causing the problems you have.
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After upgrading to German ICS, also had problems with wakelocks (phone never sleeped)
Done this (posted on XDA somewhere) and it worked:
Turn Flight Mode ON
Turn Off the Phone
Take out the battery for 30 secs
Plug battery back
Turn on the phone
Wait until all is loaded and turn off Flight Mode.
Also, always disconnect from the charger with screen ON and unlocked.
After using this 2 metods, never had a wakelock again (multipdp etc)
Regards
NM
thanks a lot for both of you....
will try these steps.....and will comeback with the result....
nunosm said:
After upgrading to German ICS, also had problems with wakelocks (phone never sleeped)
Done this (posted on XDA somewhere) and it worked:
Turn Flight Mode ON
Turn Off the Phone
Take out the battery for 30 secs
Plug battery back
Turn on the phone
Wait until all is loaded and turn off Flight Mode.
Also, always disconnect from the charger with screen ON and unlocked.
After using this 2 metods, never had a wakelock again (multipdp etc)
Regards
NM
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i've tried those two methods, and still got multipdp issue...
i also have disabled the fast dormancy with *#9900# command, but still no effect, ...could you please or someone give another way to solve this..
Stop syncing from your gmail account.
The big one is unplugging charger with screen on.
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Stop syncing from your gmail account.
The big one is unplugging charger with screen on.
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thanks for your answer for my question...
regarding that did you mean that i have to stop receiving email on my Galaxy Note..?? for me that's really important since i bought my note to support my daily job...
is it the main cause..? if yes, i think i should buy another battery as a way out.
I also have encountered the same problem with my galaxy note after the stock ics update in India.
I have checked out the earlier posts on the same issue..
Some users had the problems of deep sleep and some others had other problems..bt as far i have been able to understand this problem...it is associated with those apps which we often use..for eg i had been using apex launcher for so long...and it used to suck my phones battery like hell also coz of the widgets and the other things that it use.
So what i did was a simple factory reset and a data wipe and didn't install the apex launcher again.
I let my phones battery drain completely and charged it till 100% and simply rebooted it and removed the battery too. And its working good now.
Those things which suckedy battery included android system and display...i could do any thing about display but i force stopped may process of android system and results are good.
One more reason for battery drain could be that when we go backs from the apps on stock ics on galaxy note..the apps do not get closed comletely like stock web browser which works in the background too..so might be other reason for so.
Don not install those apps which u dont use often coz they might work in background add unnecessorily suck ur bettery.
Try the battery pull off trick it really works for majority of users.
Force close those apps and processes which u feel unnecessory.
Those whose claim ics doesnt work smooth on their note they pls go the develpers option in settings and enable the force GPU rendering option then it will work smooth like anything...
One more thing which u may already know about galaxy note ics is that now it runs all the tablet apps on ur note! Thats pretty amazing coz u need not root it or do anything...for me it worked with the apps like...adobe idea, adobe photoshop touch and all other adobe apps and some other tablet apps..download these apps directly from 4shared..so cheers!!!
Those who are not happy with their battery pls try factory reset and battery pull off trick...it worked for me and it might work for u too my friend...
if you are entering deep sleep at all then you aren't being affected by the bug where you have to make sure your screen is on and unlocked before pulling it off the charger.
i suffered from this bug after updating to ics lpy, but since following the guide above (flight mode, power down etc.) i've had no issues.
let your phone completely discharge, then turn it back ona dn make sure it turns off again. then fully charge it. i found this increased the accuracy of the battery a little, when i did it it dropped from 10% to 1% in around 20 mins, then i was able to use the phone for almost half an hour on 1% so obviously my battery stats weren't quite right.
if you've done a factory reset, and you're sure the phone is entering deep sleep ok, just go through a couple of complete charge/discharge cycles and see if that improves things
gayanaji said:
hi all..
2 weeks ago I finally bought my very first android based HH, GNOTE...currently I'm running on ICS LPF Taiwan unroot, and very love it. one of my concern on this ICS, is the battery drain so much, considering it just sit on my pocket.
i have CPU Spy and BBS Installed, and found that it just Deep Sleep 48% and 200MHz 37 %. Kernel Wakelock is "multipdp" 25% Power Manager Services 21,2% and secril_fd-interface 19.25.
could you please tell me what causing this battery drain so much..?
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Analyzing is tought on android.
Printscreens of kernel wakelock and partial are better.
Partial is mostly what exactly is keeping awake
Try some of the suggestions from the numerious threads, state them here whicj didnt work and describe usage a little more detail, that way we arent shooting in the dark
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i still got this issue regarding multipdp and secril_fd_interface....maybe it caused by unstable network or the fast dormancy stuff...
so i went to nearest samsung center and buy a spare battery... now i have no concern about this...but still keep on eye with l2_hsic...the flight mode on and restart will solve this issue..
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I was having battery drain issues myself. Got tired of checking CPU Spy and BBS etc. Worried about bricking and wiping so I...
I rooted the phone.
Installed SpeedMod Kernel 3-3 via mobile odin that didnt really solve it.
I installed Abyss kernel. Wiped everything because its supposed to be a safe wipe kernel.
Then installed Criskelo rom
Then installed SpeedMod Kernel 3-3 again and everything was great with battery life.
You have to reinstall apps and setup your phone basically but its well worth it in my opinion. Now my only battery drain is me always messing with my phone.
@jbeef 86
i am using my GNOTE to support my daily acts. i have so many heard that many of cusroms has issues with the especially s-note app....
is it true..???
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I upgrade with Kies
had Battery Issues & was slugish
I format my Internal 16gb card
& did a factory reset & have done it twice
people tell me i was lucky but i dont think so & it worked for me
workd great now but slugish when im in contacts edit
Battery Life is Great No Issues
If you want can start System Power Saving that helps alot
ilordvader said:
& did a factory reset & have done it twice
people tell me i was lucky but i dont think so & it worked for me
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I would stay away from telling people this is a safe thing to do in ICS, it's been proven many times it is not.
Maybe you have been lucky - so be thankful you're not using a paperweight...
gayanaji said:
@jbeef 86
i am using my GNOTE to support my daily acts. i have so many heard that many of cusroms has issues with the especially s-note app....
is it true..???
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@gayanaji - I use Criskelo's ROM and all the Samsung apps work fine. No probs here. Many of the custom ROMS are based on other Kernels that the Samsung apps do not work with. I am a bit new to this but I believe that is correct. Just make sure to use a Samsung app compatible Kernel if you decide to do it. Also another piece of advice before doing anything read a bunch to make sure you fully understand everything with regards to rooting, flashing custom ROMS etc.
I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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SunHounD said:
I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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Thanks for such a quick reply.
I'll tell you the scenario, as quick as i can make it.
had the phone 2 weeks, got it on a 24mnth contract ( i know, sigh)
anyway, updated it to JB (4.1.2?) through LG pc suite, but thought the battery life seemed to be worse, so i downgraded with LG flash tool, to ics.
after a F/reset, i rooted, then F/Reset again, but it seemed sluggish.
the long and short of it is, ive gone up to JB twice, and down to ICS twice, rooted and unrooted twice, disabled a whole HOST of stock bloatware, and am still left with similar results as posted in the pics.
ATM ive a clean ICS and im at a loss as to what to do. ive been reading all the threads about improving battery, culling the bloatware apps etc before i decided to post.
as for bootloader, i will probably do that sometime in the future, when im more knowledgeable on the subject. at present, i dont want to be left with a 2 year contract to a brick
thanks again,
ps: you say better battery stats is better than battery stats plus?...will download now, thanks
Sun
interesting situation. it's strange that sluggishness persisted between factory resets and .dz flashes back to 10x version.
first off, how does the phone behave when you're not using it? is it draining battery bad? is it going into deep sleep? what are the percentages of cpu states (you can check this in better battery stats, as battery stats plus seems to be too clunky for me to read proper info)?
if it's deep sleeping properly, then yeah, the issue is with something sucking up the juice while screen is on. next off, check cpu states - if it's locked at 1.5ghz often, when you have screen on but doing nothing, it's significant info.
what i've noticed with display, you can count up to 3:30 hours of onscreen time with stock rom (this is with very conservative use of wifi and data during this period, and no heavy gaming for example) - that's around 200 minutes of on screen time, meaning you should get around 2 minutes of screen on per 1% of reduction in battery - how far are you from this result?
i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
I would go the other way to be honest. If you do a full factory reset, install no apps, no Google account or anything and still get a similar problem with the battery drain then I would take the phone back for replacement as that is abnormal.
No point running a risk with your warranty when might be a hardware fault.
It's midnight here now so can't really test it till.morning now. When phone is in standby, it seems to hold.its juice ok. I'm sat here now, with nothing switched on except WiFi, screen at 23% brightness , and am just using tapatalk and I'm getting 2-3 mins per 1% screen. Less if I play in the menus. First thing tomorrow, I'll reset the phone again, before dl'ing any apps. Then I'll only download BBS and see how I get on. I'll also.monitor battery loss over night.
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after i wrote the above last night, i decided to watch a movie on my phone in bed.(headphones, dont wanna disturb the missus ) and i managed to watch a movie of 2hrs 10 mins, with 23% battery drain, on stock video player, yet just browsing through the phones menus/ light web surfing, eats the juice like crazy.
left phone off charge over night, and didnt even have a 1% drop in 7 hours (wifi off,sync off, data always off(dont use it)) and phone set to 2g mode
Sun
current set up
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
SunHounD said:
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
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you can leave it alnoe during night to check if it deep sleeps properly, right now you're interested in cpu states option in bbs, to see if it uses too much cpu when doing normal tasks such as surfing, reading, watching/listening media etc. your goal is to get over 2 mins per 1% drain (in the end, over 3 hours of onscreen time with no heavy gaming). with those stats, your can say that your phone is draining normally, just that lg reports stupid stuff (f.e., stock roms report screen as using 20% of the battery, while in reality screen is using waaay more, the most actually)
Thanks Flying_Bear, I'll refrain from doing any more resets etc for the rest of the day, see how the readings progress and post on that tomorrow, after overnight analysis.
This piece of one of your previous posts just stuck in my mind:
Flying_Bear said:
i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
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TBH, from everything I've been reading on it, it kind of scared me off the subject, but to see you say it was less complicated than what I've already done, has got me to thinking.
The biggest thing for me at the minute, before considering that, it to rule out faulty hardware. At least if thats the case, i still have warranty intact.
Is the performance increase really that noticeble after flashing custom kernels/roms?
Thanks again for your time,
Sun
no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
I think the only reason I would consider custom roms, is a performance increase.... If it wont give me one, then I see no point in going down that route.
LamerDuck said:
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
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Totally agree, its why I refuse to enable data in the first place.
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
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when I took the original screenies, in OP, I didnt really have much in the way of apps on it. I'd not long before done a clean flash, then removed some of the bloatware that came with it.
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you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
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At first yes... hey it was a new toy at the time. Novelty wore off about day 3 though.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
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yeah, it handled a movie quite well, I was quite pleased with this. When i said messing with the menu, I just meant exploring the phone; no custom/3rd party launchers, no messing with Dev stuff.
At the minute now, the only extra apps on my phone are XDA Dev app, tapatalk4, BBS, TB-pro and root uninstaller pro.
Oh, and can I ask.... aside form the ability to "pimp" your phone out, or the extra customization, is there any benefit to flashing custom roms? As it cant be for better performance....
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LamerDuck said:
no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
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you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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Hi Flying_ Bear, can you pl confirm what combo of rom and kernel is giving you 3 hr 37 min of screen on time and which ones to avoid (ones that gave you 2 hrs)?
Carbon rom 4.2.2 version with iodak v7 had the best onsceen. Id say stock was worst, 2hrs 45mins of onscreen with no gaming and low brightness, with stock kernel
First off, an introduction. I seem to have bad luck with Android devices. Oh well, I love them anyway! Had a Galaxy S Captivate, Then a Tmobile Galaxy S 4G, and finally my N7000.
Problems have come with every device. The Captivate couldn't connect with Odin back in the day, so every flash was a dirty flash since I couldn't go stock. The Galaxy S 4G would constantly have problems. It was fine for awhile, but the ROMS never lasted. Always started to restart and glitch out. Random reboots, etc...
Now for my Note. It has been a great phone, despite a few drawbacks. It's over 2 years old; I purchased it right after they first came out. It worked great for about a year, even on custom roms. The last year, I've fallen way behind in the development area, but I've always ran custom. This whole year, I've been battling a couple huge issues. It started out as bad battery life. No big deal, I thought. Check stats, find the source, fix it. Then I try to flash a new rom. Still doesn't work. I end up living with the issue. That problem escalated into restarts, and even worse battery life. A flash or two later, and nothing worked better. Eventually, about half a year ago, I noticed my battery was started to swell. Thought that was the source of everything. I was wrong. New battery, and my phone is running just as bad, while getting steadily worse daily.
Presently, my phone is a mess. It's running ParanoidAndroid 4.3, BUT I am downloading the Team Asylum Kit Kat ROM right now as I type this. On PA, I have left the phone nearly completely stock since the flash. I followed the installation perfectly, even completely formatting both my internal and external SD cards to ensure a 100% new flash. Of course, it didn't help. Currently, my phone's battery won't last a day on light usage. 9 hours of life, and it will be to 5%. The last 30% of life drops EXTREMELY fast. When the phone was new, I would go 2 days on a charge easily. The source of this battery loss appears to be the infamous ANDROID OS, but I could never find the source, despite multiple apps trying to monitor my CPU and Batterystats. The phone runs Ok enough for daily use to the point where I have dealt with it. The phone will freeze completely every now and then, and a lot of the times it is on the lockscreen. On a complete freeze, it always results in a fast reboot after a minute or so. The last problem I can think of is my inability to read the external SD. A few weeks ago, my phone froze up completely, like normal, so I yanked the battery and rebooted. It started up as normal, but my external SD was nowhere to be found after that incident. No idea what happened, and I haven't had the time to try and get it working again.
Thank you to whoever took the time to read this. I'm sure some of my issues have already been covered in other threads, but I've tried things before and nothing seems to help. Maybe I just have a defective unit. It is getting old after all. I'd really appreciate anyone who might be able to help me resolve these issues. Getting this thing running smooth again would be like Christmas morning all over again.
QUICK SUMMARY FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO READ EVERYTHING
The phone is over two years old. Used to work good, now it doesn't.
-Replaced battery earlier this year since I noticed swelling in the original.
-Battery life is terrible. Dies after 9ish hours on LIGHT usage. ANDROID OS is the culprit. Used to last 2 days or more.
-Random restarts and lots of freezing.
-Freezing caused my external SD to completely disappear. Haven't been able to get access since.
-Running ParanoidAndroid 3.4. Flashing a new rom after I type this, but it probably won't change anything.
There's your short summary, although I may have already answered some of your suggestions up in my original post. If you can, at least read the second to last paragraph.
Again, thanks to anyone who can offer assistance! It would mean a lot to me since I feel like I still haven't gotten my money's worth out of this thing. Unlocked phones are spendy...
I would go back to stockbased custom roms 4.1.2 I found them very bettery friendly.
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In my opinion you do something wrong. I tried several roms and never had strange battery or random reboot problems. Im now on AryaMod V4 and before SweetRom 10.5 and months before SlimBean 2.2 4.3.1 , all excellent Roms.
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In my opinion you do something wrong. I tried several roms and never had strange battery or random reboot problems. Im now on AryaMod V4 and before SweetRom 10.5 and months before SlimBean 2.2 4.3.1 , all excellent Roms.
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I've used SweetRom, ParanoidAndroid, Asylum, and Stunner, as well as many different versions of them all. They all worked great back in the day. I'd run them for long periods of time without any big issues. It's just lately, the problems are getting worse, and I don't see how I could be doing anything wrong with the installation.
Installed the latest 4.4.2 Asylum Omni last night. It's running really smooth so far. Other than having it fail to load the google startup thing on first boot, it has been working great. A restart fixed that, and nothing else has happened. Battery life is dropping pretty quickly however, but I need to run it through a few cycles to see how it works. I'm at 65% after 6.5 hours with light usage and 34min of screen on at max brightness. Screen is back on top of the list, as it should be, and is far exceeding Android system and OS, so I'm hoping it works better now. Time will have to tell on this ROM, but I'd still love to figure out why I've had so many problems with other flashes.
I just got the AT&T update to 5.0 a few days ago, and the battery drain was incredibly fast, just like 8 hours when I first had it.
I did some checking around and finally did a factory reset from recovery, and that has helped a little. If I restart the device every few hours, it seems to help somehow...
But when I put it down at night, the battery drains down 50-60% in just the few 6 or 7 hours it lies there. I have tried apps like gsam and the stock usage monitor, and compared them to the process stats in developer mode, and come up with nothing. Most of the process stats are showing near or at 100%, by the way...
Another great side affect of the upgrade is now when I use Maps with location in high accuracy mode and hooked up to the charger, it gets really stupid hot. And it never used to do any of this before. Is this whole upgrade just a POS or is it just my device? i swear I used to get 2-3 days of battery before this. Help me save the upgrade before I roll it back to the old software, thanks.
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I just got the AT&T update to 5.0 a few days ago, and the battery drain was incredibly fast, just like 8 hours when I first had it.
I did some checking around and finally did a factory reset from recovery, and that has helped a little. If I restart the device every few hours, it seems to help somehow...
But when I put it down at night, the battery drains down 50-60% in just the few 6 or 7 hours it lies there. I have tried apps like gsam and the stock usage monitor, and compared them to the process stats in developer mode, and come up with nothing. Most of the process stats are showing near or at 100%, by the way...
Another great side affect of the upgrade is now when I use Maps with location in high accuracy mode and hooked up to the charger, it gets really stupid hot. And it never used to do any of this before. Is this whole upgrade just a POS or is it just my device? i swear I used to get 2-3 days of battery before this. Help me save the upgrade before I roll it back to the old software, thanks.
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Did you ota, or flash rooted 5.0? Sounds like a bad flash...if a factory reset didn't fix it I'd suggest downgrade back to ne4 and start fresh.
Mine and GF both g870a's and are running great on 5.0.
I took the OTA and then immediately did a factory reset.
I can't remember exactly, but also check that the OTA did not set GPS to auto update apps. I THINK it did on mine.
I'm also running great on 5.0 FYI
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I checked that and it wasn't the problem. I think I pinpointed the issue... I tried running in safe mode for a day with a small improvement, but not much.
Then I went back to normal mode and deleted each app separately and after three deletes, I got rid of the Weatherbug app and all is apparently better. I found some others posts on this forum regarding this app causing problems after an upgrade as well...
Any thoughts? I kinda liked that app.
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Any thoughts? I kinda liked that app.
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Although I like the tablet UI for this app much better...I've been running with the Weather Channel app for the last year...using static locations and not using MPoints. I am totally opposed to installing anything with Weather Bug in the name due to the amount of malware and ineffiencies found on PC versions of that app. I've forcibly removed and cleansed it from many a friends PC/laptops. YMMV.
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Now, a few days in, I can completely confirm it was the WeatherBug app. I have had three days without a charge (now sitting at 13%!) and it looks like it could go 5 without much use.
I am scared to try another weather app, but I'm gonna try the weather underground thing...