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Can anyone point me in the right direction to either get s-off for HBOOT 1.55 or a tutorial or video on how to downgrade back to a version of HBOOT that I can run S-OFF on. I did the Sprint OTA 4.3 and need a little help.
I'm sorry to say it, but you can't s-off when on 1.55, nor can you downgrade. I found that out for myself.
I also did the OTA 4.3 upgrade with S-off on Hboot 1.44.
I now am on Hboot 1.55 and can unlock/lock my bootloader using the unlock code.bin I saved from HTCdev.
I cant believe I thought S-off was the same as unlocked bootloader....
Now im stuck with 4.3 BOO
How did you guys lose your s-off? I did the 4.3 OTA when I had s-off already, and I didn't lose mine
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I was downgrading and upgrading and some things went wrong. I was stuck in recovery. Through the process of getting back to stock I guess I messed up.
At least I heard that the Devs are working on 1.55 : )
I found this but, its For ATT, and I don't really know if it would work.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394155
So if anyone knows if a nandroid backup will restore everything, even hboot 1.55 to 1.44, I would love a link so I can download yours since I upgraded to windows 8.1 with a fresh install before backing up mine...
Also, if I have S-ON, which I cant tell except for the fact that I cant downgrade, why can I lock/unlock my bootloader?
doragu said:
I was downgrading and upgrading and some things went wrong. I was stuck in recovery. Through the process of getting back to stock I guess I messed up.
At least I heard that the Devs are working on 1.55 : )
I found this but, its For ATT, and I don't really know if it would work.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394155
So if anyone knows if a nandroid backup will restore everything, even hboot 1.55 to 1.44, I would love a link so I can download yours since I upgraded to windows 8.1 with a fresh install before backing up mine...
Also, if I have S-ON, which I cant tell except for the fact that I cant downgrade, why can I lock/unlock my bootloader?
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No a nandroid does not contain the hboot. Sorry but you'll have to wait till some dev manages to s-off the newest hboot. You don't seem to know what s-off really means so don't worry, I'm sure you'll never need it.
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In their devices, HTC have installed a sort of security check whose level is determined by S-OFF/S-ON. Essentially, this security level is a flag stored on the device’s radio that checks signature images for any firmware before it is allowed to be written to system memory. This hinders using any custom ROMs, splash images, recovery etc., and also restricts access to the NAND flash memory. However, when security level is set to S-OFF, the signature check is bypassed, allowing a user to upload custom firmware images, unsigned boot, recovery, splash and HBOOT images, as well as official firmware that has been modified, this enabling maximum customization of your HTC Android device.
Furthermore, S-OFF also reduces restrictions on accessing the NAND flash memory on the device, allowing all partitions (including /system) to be mounted in write mode while the operating system is booted.
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Thank you for better explaining that to me.
But why am I still allowed to flash TWRP recovery, and OMJ's Deodexed 3.04...ROM if the security is suppose to block it?
Guess I should of read more. SGS2 was too simple
doragu said:
Thank you for better explaining that to me.
But why am I still allowed to flash TWRP recovery, and OMJ's Deodexed 3.04...ROM if the security is suppose to block it?
Guess I should of read more. SGS2 was too simple
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Flashing recovery and ROM, doesn't need you to be s-off, but flashing a firmware does
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Flashing recovery and ROM, doesn't need you to be s-off, but flashing a firmware does
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Okay so as I understand it. When a developer says need to be s-off to flash a rom they do mean it ? or is it some special firmware you are talking about. I had s-off and lost it because I didn't do my research. I'm very disgusted with my self now i'm on H-Boot 1.55 and stuck... also I heard the devs are working on this h-boot to get s-off. Can anyone tell me if this is true?
I was able to flash the viperone rom with S-On without any issues. well may be couple at&t apps which i erased but other than that-Lokks okay for now.
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Okay so as I understand it. When a developer says need to be s-off to flash a rom they do mean it ? or is it some special firmware you are talking about. I had s-off and lost it because I didn't do my research. I'm very disgusted with my self now i'm on H-Boot 1.55 and stuck... also I heard the devs are working on this h-boot to get s-off. Can anyone tell me if this is true?
I was able to flash the viperone rom with S-On without any issues. well may be couple at&t apps which i erased but other than that-Lokks okay for now.
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You're really not missing much by not being S-OFF. As far as ROMs are concerned, it's mainly for custom boot screens.
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You're really not missing much by not being S-OFF. As far as ROMs are concerned, it's mainly for custom boot screens.
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I appreciate that however I had s-off and now can't get it back due to my been n00b. So yeah it's a little disappointing
Does this mean I won't be able to get the 4.3 OTA?
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You're really not missing much by not being S-OFF. As far as ROMs are concerned, it's mainly for custom boot screens.
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Worst pile of misinformation ever. You do not need s-off to flash a boot animation, however you do need it for important things like downgrading your hboot.
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You're really not missing much by not being S-OFF. As far as ROMs are concerned, it's mainly for custom boot screens.
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And the ability to S-Off to go back to stock unrooted the properly official way. That's all I use it for lol
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Worst pile of misinformation ever. You do not need s-off to flash a boot animation, however you do need it for important things like downgrading your hboot.
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Oh really? Are you sure about that? Explain to me how we never had custom boot animations until we achieved S-OFF and also explain to me why everything I've read on the topic has been wrong. There was no reason for you to be rude about it. A quick Google search tells you all that you need to know: http://android-revolution-hd.blogspot.com/2013/06/do-we-really-need-s-off.html
With S-OFF you can:
Flash in fastboot original parts of the firmware like: Trust Zone (tz.img), Resource Power Manager (rpm.img), Advanced Digital Signal Processor (adsp.img), bootloader (hboot.img), Radio Config Data (rcdata.img), Splash Screen and others, very often device specific firmware like Consumer IR (cir.img) for the television remote controller in HTC One.
Flash in fastboot custom parts of the firmware above, however I've never seen in my life anyone compiling custom rpm.img or tz.img. I've seen custom bootloaders and Splash Screens only. You can also flash modified radio.img but there is rarely anyone out there who does this.
Use more advanced fastboot commands, for example you can change the CID (Carrier ID) of your device or even MID (Model ID). And this one is the most important one in the context of this article.
Reset the Tampered flag, so your device does not show up as "Relocked" if you relock your bootloader.
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You can also refer yourself to a thread that I started back when we got S-OFF... Take a look at one of the first things mentioned: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314705
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Oh really? Are you sure about that? Explain to me how we never had custom boot animations until we achieved S-OFF and also explain to me why everything I've read on the topic has been wrong. There was no reason for you to be rude about it. A quick Google search tells you all that you need to know: http://android-revolution-hd.blogspot.com/2013/06/do-we-really-need-s-off.html
You can also refer yourself to a thread that I started back when we got S-OFF... Take a look at one of the first things mentioned: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314705
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Le sigh.....
Maybe I slightly misread your post. You said main thing is "boot screens" you mean splash screens maybe? If so yes you do need s-off, however you don't need s-off to flash custom boot animations. Most importantly flashing a splash screen is not the main reason someone would need s-off, and I am sure the many users of this forum who have flashed a 4.3 based GSM Rom on their CDMA device and don't have s-off would agree.
Last but not least I was in no shape or form rude, even if you did mean to flash splash screens it's still total misinformation that isn't the most important reason to have s-off, it's to save your butt when your in a pickle.
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Le sigh.....
Maybe I slightly misread your post. You said main thing is "boot screens" you mean splash screens maybe? If so yes you do need s-off, however you don't need s-off to flash custom boot animations. Most importantly flashing a splash screen is not the main reason someone would need s-off, and I am sure the many users of this forum who have flashed a 4.3 based GSM Rom on their CDMA device and don't have s-off would agree.
Last but not least I was in no shape or form rude, even if you did mean to flash splash screens it's still total misinformation that isn't the most important reason to have s-off, it's to save your butt when your in a pickle.
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And that's why I said "as far as ROMs are concerned..."
Of course S-OFF is used for more important things, but the person's question was about S-OFF in regards to ROMs. And what is a ROM going to do with S-OFF? I answered that question.
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And that's why I said "as far as ROMs are concerned..."
Of course S-OFF is used for more important things, but the person's question was about S-OFF in regards to ROMs. And what is a ROM going to do with S-OFF? I answered that question.
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Ok, sounds fair. Just a misunderstanding
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Ok, sounds fair. Just a misunderstanding
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Okay guys I didn't need to start a war. Is there anything I can do or anyone I can pay to get s-off If I'm on hboot 1.55 at&t?
I really need my s-off back ^^
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Okay guys I didn't need to start a war. Is there anything I can do or anyone I can pay to get s-off If I'm on hboot 1.55 at&t?
I really need my s-off back ^^
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As of now there it's nothing you can do, this might change in the future.
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Konfuzion said:
As of now there it's nothing you can do, this might change in the future.
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So with s-on can I still flash kernel and radio??? My biggest concern is that I won't be able to flash the kernel I want and the radio also when there's an official update how can I get that with custom rom I stalled? I rly miss having s-off rly does anyone know of a paid site who can do that for me?
Hello, let me get right to it:
I have bought a used HTC ONE, I believe it's for Sprint since I connected to it (don't know if specific models relate to Sprint only).
The device seemed to be already rooted, which scares me, so I [lan to go back to stock, relock bootloader, and unroot to start from scratch. I learned how to use ADB and fastboot using Nexus devices, but S-OFF seems unclear to me.
Once in stock, I'll have Hboot 1.56.0000, and KitKat:
What order do I need to follow after that? Unlock bootloader first, then root, and THEN S-OFF?
Do I really need S-OFF for a custom recovery and sprint ROM, and Kernel? Can I S-ON after I apply a custom ROM and kernel?
Is S-OFF as dangerous as people suggest? Will it hard brick my device if I accidentally disconnect in the meddle of usb data transfer, a bad surge of electricity, or a mystyped command?
Please help.
S-off isn't dangerous unless you do something really stupid, but you could do something really stupid without s-off too. Benefit to having s-off is it increases the chance of being able to fix soft bricks, I would highly recommend getting s-off.
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S-off isn't dangerous unless you do something really stupid, but you could do something really stupid without s-off too. Benefit to having s-off is it increases the chance of being able to fix soft bricks, I would highly recommend getting s-off.
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Can you help in the order I need to follow?
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Can you help in the order I need to follow?
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... buddy you need to be cautious not scared. getting s-off is pretty easy and safe if you follow the steps as described. phone has to be unlocked and rooted. here is the link and every instruction is right there. so go ahead.
rumrunner.us
under the downloads, go for 'HTC Universal' and you will be good ...
Hey guys! I am an absolute noob in these things and I have no idea of what to do what so ever. I was following the method of converting from wonderhowto with the help of moonshine but did not achieve S-OFF. I tried Rumrunner and the same thing happened. I still cannot achieve S-OFF. My Hboot version is 1.57 and I really want to convert my phone to GPE with OTA updates and stuff like that. If anyone can help me with the whole process in details. I will take it slowly and finish this conversion as soon as possible.
I saw somewhere that I need to flash some other rom first and then I have to then run rumrunner but the thing is I dont even know how to flash rom and stuff like that.. So if anyone can help me achieve my target.. I will be thankful.. and if there is a post like this before, please link as I have already searched as much before posting this up.
Btw my phone has never been rooted.. its 100% stock..
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Hey guys! I am an absolute noob in these things and I have no idea of what to do what so ever. I was following the method of converting from wonderhowto with the help of moonshine but did not achieve S-OFF. I tried Rumrunner and the same thing happened. I still cannot achieve S-OFF. My Hboot version is 1.57 and I really want to convert my phone to GPE with OTA updates and stuff like that. If anyone can help me with the whole process in details. I will take it slowly and finish this conversion as soon as possible.
I saw somewhere that I need to flash some other rom first and then I have to then run rumrunner but the thing is I dont even know how to flash rom and stuff like that.. So if anyone can help me achieve my target.. I will be thankful.. and if there is a post like this before, please link as I have already searched as much before posting this up.
Btw my phone has never been rooted.. its 100% stock..
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Sunshine S-OFF is your best bet with hboot 1.57. The downside it cost $25.
Hey all, I recently acquired an HTC one m7 and I previously had an xperia z1. I had unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous phone but coming to m7's page I've found that there are many things new here. First is the S-Off business.
I basically wanted to ask if there's a specific order in which I should go. For example S-off first, then root then unlock bootloader or anything like that.
And secondly, for the xperia line, there was a tool called Flashtool that basically did all the things you need to unlock/root your phone. I was wondering if there's something like that for the One M7 so that I can flash stock firmware if need be.
Also, I'm on kitkat 4.4.3 HBOOT 2.49 so should I keep some things in mind?
Also, what is CID?
Sorry for so many questions, any help is appreciated
Thank you!
uhh, I will tell you what i know here related to your questions.
Firstly, if you want to customize your phone, first thing is to unlock your bootloader which is easy to do. Then you need to flash a custom recovery. After that you can do what you like.as to s-off, if you don't have special requirements,I think it's not a must step.
Secondly,there is indeed a tool for htc one.you may find it in one's development forum.
May that help you!
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If I unlock bootloader before S-off, will I be able to get back "UNLOCKED" status or will it be "RELOCKED"
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If I unlock bootloader before S-off, will I be able to get back "UNLOCKED" status or will it be "RELOCKED"
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yeah you can get back to full locked status, but only with s-off, be careful though, theres not alot about for the dual sim really, you can pretty much find everything in the general section for the dual. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495697
I think for your HBOOT, use Rumrunner to s-off. http://rumrunner.us/
EDIT: sorry for your HBOOT version you needed to use firewater s-off tool, but as thats discontinued, you'll have to try sunshine s-off tool which will cost $25 if it can s-off your device, it will run some checks first, if it can then you pay and it proceeds, if it cant it will let you know why and you dont pay: http://theroot.ninja/
if I remember correctly, CID is carrier identification.
the main things that matter, and that you need to take note of it your planning on changing them are CID, MID, HBOOT version and OS or version main (same thing really)
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
What are the benefits of s-off
S-off is good, as long as you can do it without issues. I broke my USB port while trying to s-off. I can't plug my phone into pc, it goes to car mode, and refuses to charge at all. Many people have faced this issue, and this is a software + hardware issue. Just warning you, tho im running ARHD with my own mods on it for about 2 years all without s-off.
Cheers ^_^
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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As far as I know sunshine is the only way to get s-off on that hboot so you'll need to pay $25. On the matter if it's worth buying that's up to you. Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware and I know some ROMs require s-off. Always research what could go wrong just to make sure you can s-off in the safest way.
AleXand3rr said:
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
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You don't need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery nor a custom rom. Is it worth it? Well if you don't need it, no.
What are the benefits of s-off
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If you don't know what are the benefits of having S-OFF then you probably don't need it. Unlocking the bootloader remove the signature check and disable security from the /system, /boot, /recovery and /radio partitions so you can flash custom software like roms, kernel, recovery and radios. S-OFF remove the signature check and security on the remaining partitions like /hboot, /pg1fs, /pg2fs and /mfg which make it possible to flash flash unsigned firmware like a custom hboot for example. This also make possible to downgrade or change your firmware version. With access to the mfg partition you can change your MID number and with the pgfs partitions you can remove the ***tampered***, ***re-locked*** and ***security warning*** flags. S-OFF also enables some blocked "fastboot oem" commands like "fastboot oem writecid" which make it possible to change your CID number. Well a lots of useful things but nothing required to flash a custom recovery and rom.
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I broke my USB port while trying to s-off
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Achieving S-OFF itself can't broke your USB port, its most likely an hardware problem only or you did something wrong once s-off.
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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There isn't any free alternative to sunshine on hboot 1.61.
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Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware
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Since he is already running hboot 1.61 he already have one of the latest 7.xx.xxx.x firmware version which is all he need to run all the recent roms. So even if he keep is phone S-ON, firmware isn't something to worry about.
and I know some ROMs require s-off
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Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
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Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
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Well most of them but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
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Well most of them
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All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off
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Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
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I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
alray said:
All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
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Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not, but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years. Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked." Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition? I am S-off, and I have never been able to successfully flash /system. It always returns a permission denied error of some kind. Maybe it works with KitKat and below, and from Lollipop on you need an Eng bootloader to flash /system through fastboot?
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
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Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not
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Me neither, my first HTC device was in 2012, the One X (Tegra variant)
but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years.
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Probably, there a lot of old guides (back in the nexus one days) saying that you need S-OFF in order to ROOT which is false when speaking about the One M7 but not so false when speaking about the Verizon One M7 (this one requires s-off since bootloader unlock is not available from htcdev.com)
Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
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I think its a combination of false informations and outdated informations. For example, some ppl are still saying that you must flash the kernel (boot.img) using fastboot after flashing a custom rom on a S-ON phone. This was true for older HTC devices, but not needed on the M7 (and i guess newer devices) since the boot partition isn't secured and can now be flashed from custom recovery. There are some ppl confusing ROOT and Unlocked bootloader (they think unlocking the bootloader = rooting the phone which are 2 totally different things). A lor of outdated/false(or applying to a specific device only) information online. Better to look for the most recent information available for the correct device. :good:
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked."
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Yep, exactly what I was saying above, its very useful to have s-off. But is it needed to flash a custom recovery and rom (question asked at post #1)? Absolutely not.
Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition?
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You don't need s-off to flash the system partition, only an unlocked bootloader but it can only be done from custom recovery, not from fastboot.
If you absolutely want to flash /system from fastboot then I suppose you can make a custom ruu.zip with the system image only and flash it in RUU mode. In this case you will need S-OFF since its required to flash an unsigned ruu.zip.
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
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Me too but imo its a coincidence only. The methods used to achieve S-OFF doesn't requires any hardware modification. You only have to use the appropriate exploit (software) for your bootloader version and the only one requiring your phone to be connected with a usb cable is rumrunner. The other exploits like Revone or Sunshine for example are running directly from your phone, without any computer. I'm 99.99% sure achieving s-off itself can't cause hardware damage since its done using software as opposed to the hot wiring method you described. Anyway what I'm saying in this thread might not apply for other HTC devices but I'm pretty sure everything I'm saying is 100% correct for the M7.
Yes. Plain and simple.