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Coding/ programming Android

This really should be in the Dev section, but for fear of the thread getting trashed, I put it in Q & A. If this question has been posted, don't flame me...just point me to the link.
Simply, I want to learn to code in Linux. I now know next to nothing. I have learned most of the shell commands and such, but where do I go from here.
What language is Android in (Java, I presume. But isC++ useful)? I can find tutorials and I am intelligent, so I should be able to learn some on my own. Where do I start?
I have found several interactive tutorials:
1. Learning to program in C++
2. Learning to program in Java
Which one to pursue? I don't want to be Cyanogen or anything, but can't stand to be left out of the loop.
Will

Android apps are built in java. Start here for the SDK and plenty of useful info to get you going:
http://developer.android.com/index.html

Developer.android.com is a good place to start.. its modified form of java called dalvik, but java none the less. C is good for terminal apps, and Im pretty sure you can include some c in apps now too

the language is the least thing you should worry about though. Pick up a book on programming for dummies (i mean it, not trying to be mean or anything) or something that teaches you the basics of programming. There are several conventional approaches that we use to program. You can dive head first into Java, or C++, etc, but if you don't yet understand program flow (sequential, looping, or branching) or about data types and structures, objects, etc, you'll still be at a loss. Programming is a very general concept and once you get the hang of it, then you can pick whichever language is the best tool for what you'll be doing (in this case, google's android implementation of java).
Also pick up some HTML and javascript, both combined will make it a lot easier to understand XML once you get to it, and for some of the shell scripting associated with putting out roms, give using any linux distro as your real main OS a try for a few months. It's frustrating at first, but you'll learn so much trying to learn how to use it.

Jubeh,
Exactly the answer I was looking for. While thankful to the other posters, I think they understood me as having some knowledge (I tried to dive right into the SDK and it made about as much sense as Hebrew).
I am downloading a book called C++ for dummies and another by O'reily.
Let's see where this leads....I hope it is something that if I am dedicated enough can be learned outside a classroom.
Thanks all....

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shouldn't be posting warez, alritewhadeva.
Anyway, I'm also studying several android-related topics right now. I took like two computer science classes in highschool (first was intro to programming in basic and then advanced concepts in c++) and then did scheme programming for my first semester in college for bs-cs and java for my data structures semester, and then I quit school . I also did some self-taught learning in HTML (back when we actually made pages in HTML), javascript, and java applets.
Anyway, I hadn't touched any coding since about 6 years ago and now with android i'm trying to get back into it, but I've pretty much forgotten many things (syntax mostly, concepts stick with you), so right now I picked a book for programming for dummies too. I'm almost 3/4 done in 2 days because I know most of that stuff, but the refresher is nice. I plan on picking up a C++ book next, to get up to date with the current implementation, and because once you understand C++ (it's high level enough and low-level enough), java and other object oriented languages are a breeze to understand. After it I plan on catching up to JAVA 6, and then hopefully dive into android's java. It's a lot of work and requires dedication when you're doing it on your own, but it's also rewarding (both personally, and in that you could always get a job with just C++ that pays well enough for limited knowledge)

jubeh said:
shouldn't be posting warez, alritewhadeva.
Anyway, I'm also studying several android-related topics right now. I took like two computer science classes in highschool (first was intro to programming in basic and then advanced concepts in c++) and then did scheme programming for my first semester in college for bs-cs and java for my data structures semester, and then I quit school . I also did some self-taught learning in HTML (back when we actually made pages in HTML), javascript, and java applets.
Anyway, I hadn't touched any coding since about 6 years ago and now with android i'm trying to get back into it, but I've pretty much forgotten many things (syntax mostly, concepts stick with you), so right now I picked a book for programming for dummies too. I'm almost 3/4 done in 2 days because I know most of that stuff, but the refresher is nice. I plan on picking up a C++ book next, to get up to date with the current implementation, and because once you understand C++ (it's high level enough and low-level enough), java and other object oriented languages are a breeze to understand. After it I plan on catching up to JAVA 6, and then hopefully dive into android's java. It's a lot of work and requires dedication when you're doing it on your own, but it's also rewarding (both personally, and in that you could always get a job with just C++ that pays well enough for limited knowledge)
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How is it a ware? Ebook...
Removed link anyway.

Thanks for asking this question pinetreehater. I've searched for the answer and not really found what I was looking for. I wanted to ask this myself but, as you stated, I didn't want to get noob-bashed.
I have some programming knowledge. I took some of the older langauges in highschool *mid 80's* (basic (of course), cobol, and assembler). And was quite good at it. IMHO. But I didn't really follow it after that and have basically forgot all of it.
I have a question.
Once I've got the books. How do I practice using them on my pc?

[OT] Learning the ins and outs of java.

I'm a sophomore in high school taking computer science. (please don't judge me because of my age) Our school is making some major budget cuts, so sadly our video game programming and design class (the only other higher level programming class offered) got cut and this will be my last and only programming class at my school (well there's a possibility that it will be brought back in my senior year, but I'd at least like to stay fresh over the summer and next year). I don't know much about java to tell you the truth. I know how to use loops, conditionals, arrays (1 and 2 dimensional) and arraylists and most of the basic variable types (off of the top of my head, integers, doubles, booleans, longs, and strings). I've made some very very simple apps such as whack a mole and craps, but the gui class was provided by my teacher.
My question is this: is there a good, preferably free online program that teaches you the basics of java (especially related to the gui) and possibly some more complex programming?
I appreciate any help. thanks.
P.S. Please forgive me if this is too off-topic, but I really couldn't think of a better place to post this. Hope you guys will be able to help.

gonintendo said:
I'm a sophomore in high school taking computer science. (please don't judge me because of my age) Our school is making some major budget cuts, so sadly our video game programming and design class (the only other higher level programming class offered) got cut and this will be my last and only programming class at my school (well there's a possibility that it will be brought back in my senior year, but I'd at least like to stay fresh over the summer and next year). I don't know much about java to tell you the truth. I know how to use loops, conditionals, arrays (1 and 2 dimensional) and arraylists and most of the basic variable types (off of the top of my head, integers, doubles, booleans, longs, and strings). I've made some very very simple apps such as whack a mole and craps, but the gui class was provided by my teacher.
My question is this: is there a good, preferably free online program that teaches you the basics of java (especially related to the gui) and possibly some more complex programming?
I appreciate any help. thanks.
P.S. Please forgive me if this is too off-topic, but I really couldn't think of a better place to post this. Hope you guys will be able to help.
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Go to Youtube.....search for a guy named "thenewboston"
He has a whole series of java programming lectures that saved me in my Advanced Java course in college....

Mr. Apocalypse said:
Go to Youtube.....search for a guy named "thenewboston"
He has a whole series of java programming lectures that saved me in my Advanced Java course in college....
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Thanks! I'll make sure to check him out!

I was in the same place as you a while back. The best way to learn is by trying to make something you want.
Before jumping into any serious programming you need to learn a few more important concepts. Methods, classes, objects, and more on those. You need to understand how it all works before going further.
If you have any questions feel free to message me or hit me up on gtalk. I'll give you some tips, ideas, and some source code of apps to dig into, if you like.
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the basics:
http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
now go to some university's entry level cs website and do some of the programming assignments.
but if you know control flow, some data structures, types, etc. just program. there are a ton of simple things to write. for example, write a calculator that has an add method that just adds the two arguments, then write recursive multiplication, factorial, and exponential methods that only use add (or other methods you wrote). it's simple, but decent recursion practice. i could give you a ton of simple programs to write.
oh and pay attention to what everything actually is. read and understand what static, private, public, classes, objects, etc. actually are and their purpose.

birgertime said:
I was in the same place as you a while back. The best way to learn is by trying to make something you want.
Before jumping into any serious programming you need to learn a few more important concepts. Methods, classes, objects, and more on those. You need to understand how it all works before going further.
If you have any questions feel free to message me or hit me up on gtalk. I'll give you some tips, ideas, and some source code of apps to dig into, if you like.
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I should have added, I have a basic understanding of methods and classes, and we are just getting into objects now.
Thanks for all the responses guys! really appreciate the help.

also, if you guys have any suggestions for simple apps that a beginner like my self could make, fire away.

I applaud you for beginning a hobby/interest in programming early. Currently I'm a 2nd year student at a university for Computer Science so I have a very direct understanding of Java. You should know that structure of Java (for every day use) is different than that of the Java on Android.
Download the Android SDK: developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Follow all the steps of installation and DO the Hello, Android (World) app that it gives you. Make sure you UNDERSTAND everything on the screen and in your main class.
Continue reading all the Developer documents for the SDK here:
developer.android.com/guide/index.html

Joy2DaWurld said:
I applaud you for beginning a hobby/interest in programming early. Currently I'm a 2nd year student at a university for Computer Science so I have a very direct understanding of Java. You should know that structure of Java (for every day use) is different than that of the Java on Android.
Download the Android SDK: developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Follow all the steps of installation and DO the Hello, Android (World) app that it gives you. Make sure you UNDERSTAND everything on the screen and in your main class.
Continue reading all the Developer documents for the SDK here:
developer.android.com/guide/index.html
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Thanks! I had kind of figured that android developement would be a whole different beast.

Who is this "java" girl and why would you like to go in and out and in and out of her?

What can I say? Different strokes.

gonintendo said:
What can I say? Different strokes.
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Perhaps you would like to have a go at Missionary Java or K9 Java.

I can sell you my 'Programming with Alice and Java' textbook...if I find it. It has all the intro stuff. First it uses a program called Alice to teach you how it works, and then it teaches you to do actual code. When I find it I can tell you where it leaves off.

[Q] WP8 C++ vs C#

Hi everyone!
Given the announcement of WP8, today, I noticed that there was not a whole lot of information of whether or not C# would receive a lot of support for developers.
I have started learning C# as my first programming language, but I am wondering if I should jump ship and learn C++ instead to write apps for W8 and WP8.
Should I? I know C++ has been popular for a while, but can anybody guess as whether MSFT is pushing developers to the C++ route and away from C#?
Thank You!

CodyNunes said:
Hi everyone!
Given the announcement of WP8, today, I noticed that there was not a whole lot of information of whether or not C# would receive a lot of support for developers.
I have started learning C# as my first programming language, but I am wondering if I should jump ship and learn C++ instead to write apps for W8 and WP8.
Should I? I know C++ has been popular for a while, but can anybody guess as whether MSFT is pushing developers to the C++ route and away from C#?
Thank You!
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C# is definetely not being pushed away. C++ requires a lot more work than C#. You should not stop learning C#, but maybe consider learning C++ after you learn C#.

I absolutely agree with the comment above. C++, however, can let you produce far better optimized apps at the cost of a longer coding time.
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Microsoft said during the Event that they encourage the use of XAML/C#, VB.Net for regular Applications. For Games they encourage People to go with C++ and DirectX. There are currently community projects aiming for kind of a follow up to the XNA framework allowing people to write Games for Windows 8 Metro using C# and DirectX which due to the shared APIs should enable the same for WP8 but I don't know how far along they currently are.
For highly resource intensive computations you might want to leverage the C++ performance benefits but overall C# is fast enough for most use cases and development is speedier and A LOT less prone to errors.

Thank you, everyone! If any more information comes up about the limitations of c# or c++, I would appreciate any ideas opinions or input!

JavaScript also joined the game.
I like C#. Performance doesn't sound like good excuse to abandon it for c++ as hardware is becoming faster all the time.
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eyal-f said:
JavaScript also joined the game.
I like C#. Performance doesn't sound like good excuse to abandon it for c++ as hardware is becoming faster all the time.
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Well, the discussion about the performance between C# and C++ is pretty old. Just bing it and you'll find tons of pages. In my experience you can get very fast algorithms in both languages when you plan your app right. I'd suggest C# to learn as it is "safer" to start with. You don't have to care about garbage collection and memory management for instance. Also, you can easily reuse code in other apps. If you invest time in learning C# you will get more performant apps than by learning only a bit of C# and a bit of C++. And you can even write good games in C#. You can really get pretty darn high performant apps in C# if you optimize them right.

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You can really get pretty darn high performant apps in C# if you optimize them right.
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You've read my mind. Personally, I would also not bother whit c++ when you don't necessarily need to.
And game devs should keep in mind that using xna (c#) is the only possible way to get their games also on the xbox (And hopefully xna will get an updated version for WP8 with custom shader support and all that stuff)

XNA seems to be in pretty much the same spot as Silverlight. Microsoft is still supporting it but there is no news at all on future development. It seems development of XNA was stopped. Currently people are trying to develop replacements.
Most Apps will wok just fine using C# or JavaScript. For some things you will need to use highly optimized Algorithms. Had a discussion once with a Dev who did realtime Audio analysis on several platforms using fast fourier transformations and after all efforts on the Forum to optimize the C# code the C++ version was still twice as fast. That is simply due to some of the code security features. When accessing an array in C# the language will always do an out of bounds check to perhaps raise an Exception while C++ simply reads whatever is at the pointer position even if it is in memory behind the array as long as the memory is allocated.
By not doing these checks alone it reduces computation and given the limited processing power sometimes this is necessary to get things working decently on a mobile device.
Still there also were several benchmarks were C# code was able to outperform the C++ implementation (especially object heavy code).
So if you absolutely must have the highest possible performance C++ is the way to go. It's similar if you want to port your code accross platforms as you can do C++ for Android and iOS. In all other cases C# would be preferable as as it was said before it is more productive and less error prone.

You can use unsafe code in c# as well

chabun said:
You can use unsafe code in c# as well
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To my knowledge not on Windows Phone. It would get rejected from the Marketplace. This might change with WP8 but we don't know yet.
Unsafe code also complicates things a lot because as soon as you directly manipulate memory you have to take care of it like in C++ because the Garbage Collector is out of the picture.
Most often it would be the easiest route to develop the performance critical code using C++ and then use that library from C#. This at least should be supported by WP8 although I can't remember where it was said exactly.

chabun said:
You can use unsafe code in c# as well
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It's a lot better to simply use a C# UI to wrap C++ code. However, it's easier to just use C++ in that case
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Beginner at game/app developing,looking for tips

Hello,I'm a 16 boy that wants to start from point 0 to somewhere,as programming has always been my passion since young but I don't have the basic programming knowledge to get started.I have no actual experience with programming before as I'm a complete newbie,all I know is that there are tons of programming languages but the most popular are PHP,C,C++ and Java which I think is mostly used in mobile game development.I have already downloaded android studio and started watching/reading tutorials on the web.Other than that,any advice I could use?I was wondering if It is hard to develop a simple android game and If I could do It by just using the internet.

TheoTT said:
Hello,I'm a 16 boy that wants to start from point 0 to somewhere,as programming has always been my passion since young but I don't have the basic programming knowledge to get started.I have no actual experience with programming before as I'm a complete newbie,all I know is that there are tons of programming languages but the most popular are PHP,C,C++ and Java which I think is mostly used in mobile game development.I have already downloaded android studio and started watching/reading tutorials on the web.Other than that,any advice I could use?I was wondering if It is hard to develop a simple android game and If I could do It by just using the internet.
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Java for android.
Objective C for ios.
check out the developers site for android(google it).
there are plenty of ebooks for beginners. try apress.

where can i start learning java?

Hello everyone. Just gained the interest to learn coding especially Java and I wanted to ask are there any available Java online tutorial for a beginner ? I don't have any IT related knowledge as I'm from management course.

Hey there!
Are you into java or anything else can be considered as well?
For instance, when I was a newbie https://codegym.cc/ became helpful. You may have a look.
At the moment I'm learning python and it's a new challenge.

Whenever I need to learn a language or brush up long forgotten skills, I check the Udemy site. They have some reasonably prices courses on a range of subjects. Look out for their special discount weeks in case you plan to take up any course.
You can also find a lot of videos on YouTube