Hello!
So I recently got a Moto X through the Try Then Buy program just to test out one thing. However I didn't do research ahead of time and of course Moto Maker Verizon Moto X's with 4.4.2 are unable to be rooted. So I had one question as a potential buyer of a Dev Edition or the Moto X+1 (whenever that may release), since the Moto features like Active Display are technically apps through the app store, can people with a ROM such as CM or Paranoid still install those features to utilize the X8 computing system? And I mean specifically the Motorola version of these features not stuff like peek and AcDisplay, Thanks!
dwibbles33 said:
Hello!
So I recently got a Moto X through the Try Then Buy program just to test out one thing. However I didn't do research ahead of time and of course Moto Maker Verizon Moto X's with 4.4.2 are unable to be rooted. So I had one question as a potential buyer of a Dev Edition or the Moto X+1 (whenever that may release), since the Moto features like Active Display are technically apps through the app store, can people with a ROM such as CM or Paranoid still install those features to utilize the X8 computing system? And I mean specifically the Motorola version of these features not stuff like peek and AcDisplay, Thanks!
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Nope. You need to run stock moto for those features.
You can use knock offs from play store on custom ROMs.....but they usually take a toll on battery life.
KJ said:
Nope. You need to run stock moto for those features.
You can use knock offs from play store on custom ROMs.....but they usually take a toll on battery life.
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Darn, I know with some Samsung specific apps I was still able to download like the Magna Carter Holy Grail app. However I'm not surprised either. So I have another question that I cannot get the answer to. Is it possible through kernel modification to utilize the X8 system. So for instance (hypothetically speaking) could Francisco Franco's kernel provide Moto X users on any given AOSP ROM, the ability to use the chip in a 3rd party app. SO franco kernel + peek (if they hypothetically built in he optimizations for the Moto X provided by francos kernel).
Try not to pick apart the specifics of this as I am merely trying to ask the question in a way that will give me a technical answer as I already have a decent understanding of how a lot of this works. However if I am not even on the right path tell me now. But I'm more interested in whether or not accessing the X8 chip and designing 3rd party apps to take full advantage of the battery saving is even possible no matter how technical it is or how complex it is.
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Even with the unlocked bootloader that section of the chip isn't accessible. In the case that it is, is there just not enough demand for it or what?
If you don't know but want to know PM me and we can try to do some joint research into the subject and see what we can come up with. Thanks in advance.
I doubt anyone will ever access the low voltage core to run apps/services from. The reason I say this is that the N5 has a similar system.....and on the N5 low voltage core they decided to put a pedometer on it. Lol. Wow! What were they thinking. The X get touch less always listening control and active display....and the N5 gets a pedometer. Lol
Anyway, with the huge N5 development community and many many developers.... No one has found a way to access it. They tried for active display. Nope. They tried for double tap to wake, nope. They did get double tap to wake built into kernels, but is kills the battery.
So with all the guys in the N5 community being unsuccessful accessing the low voltage core....I doubt it will happen on any device. The code is probably just too buried into the architecture of the devices to ever manipulate. (Basically speaking....I'm not a dev, so thats my way of saying it. )
I used to think all the gyroscope and listening functions are done by these chips regardless of the app or other variables
DaRkRhiNe said:
I used to think all the gyroscope and listening functions are done by these chips regardless of the app or other variables
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Not sure, just saying I doubt anyone will get anything to run off the low voltage core on purpose.
Otherwise my N5 would have double tap to wake for sure. Well, like I said....its available.... But very battery hungry. Definitely not worth it.
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't there been any custom roms or development ?
I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
What about kernels? Surely we could benefit from custom kernels and keep all our moto x a pure android experience, correct? Like possible for color cal and battery life? :silly:
Custom roms ya custom kernel can come only after motolola releases its kernel sources
My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
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My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
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It is developer friendly. There just isn't a lot of development for the reasons listed above.
Restola said:
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
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This, I have a Droid Maxx and the wife has a Moto X. We enjoy the anti Samsung, pure Google experience enhanced with touchless and active display. No reasons to try any AOSP Roms. Development is so light for the Droid Ultra/ Maxx that CM dropped support for it, but that is due to how good the stock ROM is. I ran Paranoid on my RAZR Maxx HD but still moved back to stock because it is smoother and has better cell reception. All the cool little functions are just that, cool. Paranoid's implementation of their dynamic status and notification bars are the best I've seen, much better than the xposed modules. But at the end of the day, it is about functionality and useability. Stock Motorola Roms are very good, just need to debloat all the Verizon crap in my case. As far as kernels, hopefully faux123 will do something with the new Moto X. I'm running his kernel on my Droid Maxx and Moto X and it definitely enhances the phone more than any aftermarket Roms could. The reason why I hangout in the Moto X forums is because there are not a lot of us Droid owners and the Moto X forums is where we get most of our stuff. I'm running a Moto X port on my Droid Maxx for example. This holds true for the new Droid Turbo also which I am definitely interested in. That is if there's a way to unlock the bootloader. Unlocked bootloader with 3900 mAH battery and 21 mp camera and the Moto X experience? I'm in, still have an upgrade available! But I don't foresee the bootloader or root being available for these new phones for a long while. In the mean time, I'll enjoy my unlocked Droid Maxx and Moto X and continue to lurk around here. Lol
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
I can't see development being any busier than the quiet 2013.
Too many Moto limitations... Like bootloaders not being able to be unlocked on some big carriers. And as said, no custom features on aosp/cm roms. Downgrade issues.... If it's like the 2013. Etc.
The X's are not for flashaholics .... That's for sure.
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I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
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The pure edition root method by jcase works fine on other devices. I rooted my xt1093 last week, seen some Brazilian carriers' rooted (also non pure, xt1092 maybe?), and I'm 100% confident it'll work for any moto x with an unlockable bootloader.
Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, quite wrong. Search and Google are your friend here.
Only Verizon cannot be unlocked presently AFAIK.
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Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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I don't think any carrier branded X has made this available yet...
Well thats why I didn't know that. I have the VZW model.
cb474 said:
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
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I have mine rooted and running Xposed with GravityBox and it works just as well as my original version Moto X did. I don't see the need for a custom rom, though I might try CM once there is a version for it.
Well as someone said, even the Moto 2013 had very very little development. But I would love to see a Custom ROM based on Moto's software itself. Cleaning out small bugs and unrequired services and maybe add couple of extra features.
I just received my Moto X (2nd gen).... I should have looked on the forums first... Without custom ROMS - I'll most likely just send it back to Moto...
I like the options the custom roms bring. I like choosing the toggles I desire in the window shade, custom themes, etc... Not being able to do those things... Meh - I have been tweaking my experience since 2007. I don't like the idea of just running a plain Jane rom.. This sucks as I really like the hardware... Almost enough that I would spend the time trying to learn to make a custom rom myself... But, I can't expend the time to learn, debug, etc... Sadly, I'm too busy with my day job...
As long as you're not on Verizon, Xposed modules should be able to give you all the customization choices you'd ever need.
I was hoping for custom Lollipop roms and Xposed won't work on Android 5.0 (and, it is uncertain if it will ever work on Lollipop).....
Hey guys, I don't know how to port apps, and I'm starting at programming now, so, I see that Xda have awesome developers, and that we don't have the Active Display on non-stock based ROM's, I know that CM12 have Ambient Display, but I think the Moto Display is better, and I'm here to request one thing:
Please, some people have ported the Camera/Gallery apps to CM12, and someone maybe can do the port of MotoDisplay/Active Display. I know that porting is difficult, but there are awesome devs here, them can do a better work than me.
So, thanks for the awesome forum, if someone can do, please do this and post it. I know that all the Moto X users would love this. Peaceā. I hope that someone are going to do it.
Hello there,
is there any developer working on porting Ubuntu Touch to our beloved Moto G?
I would do it on my own, but at this time I'm using GPRS, since my DSL was shut down, and thus I'm (obviously) not able to download 15GB of source code as the "phablet-dev-bootstrap" wants to.
Greets and Sorry for my terrible english,
FlySick47
I certainly hope somebody ports it, it looks like a great mobile os!
FlySick47 said:
Hello there,
is there any developer working on porting Ubuntu Touch to our beloved Moto G?
I would do it on my own, but at this time I'm using GPRS, since my DSL was shut down, and thus I'm (obviously) not able to download 15GB of source code as the "phablet-dev-bootstrap" wants to.
Greets and Sorry for my terrible english,
FlySick47
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You can try my first build, not yet complet but in progress
UT Moto G 2014
I'm definitely getting in over my head with my current knowledge/capability, but I'm thinking this would be a really cool project to work on for a few months or so. My idea is the following:
It seems that, so far, no one has been able to get a custom rom on the Moto X 2013 to use the low power cores at all, and from recent information it's pretty clear that the original Moto X will not get the MM upgrade. What I've also seen is stock-modified roms that use APKs from the more recent 2014 edition to get features such as "karate chop" for flashlight. Because of this, can it be assumed that the protocol for communicating with the low power chips is the same between the s4 pro and the 801? Could it be possible to take the Moto specific parts of the LP kernel (which the source for is widely available), put them into a marshmallow kernel that doesn't mess with the APIs used by Moto Voice and Active Display, compile an MM rom that runs on that kernel, and modify specific Moto apps to check for a different android version and model name?